Re: Re: Chelation PH

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PH,

thank you for all your help....I got the book and yeh its very confusing !!!!!!!

so I am just going to follow your protocol ....when you get better please dont

get up and leave just yet until I am done with the protocol OK ....most

girls get better and leave. I am looking forward to following your advice.

I am still not able to get on the forum for the Andy Cutler protocol...darn computers...

or darn operators..LOLOLOL

I stayed on the DMSA for 3 days and now taking a break ....today is the break day and

I have stuffy nose ....headaches.....brain fog.....fatigue....and little digestive problems.

Is this how you feel coming off a round ? I felt good doing the round !!! Yeah.

Love ya ,

In a message dated 3/17/2008 11:18:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, perfecthealth68@... writes:

Hi ,I didn't increase until the 6th round...from 12.5 to 25 mg...which is against Cutler's protocol but I didn't feel like trying to divide capsules into 18 point something mg...too confusing.Just make sure you never increase during a round. I can't really say if you should increase DMSA on the 3rd round. You just have to go by symptoms. Cutler suggests not increasing until you seem to handle the current dosage really well and have plateaued with progress...so only you can determine that.I know on Cutler's forum, others have mentioned the Metal Support and it is not recommended...yet, Cutler is very strict and certain in his opinions with what he feels is appropriate and not. For instance, he feels that cilantro, FIR saunas, liver flushes and coffee enemas are unsafe for mercury toxic people. I do them anyway because I have found them beneficial. Personally, the only reason I wouldn't do the Metal Support is because of the high dose of ALA...down the road I'd certainly use it, but not at this stage. The only reason I say that is from others on the forum who have jumped right in with high doses of ALA only to have serious setbacks. You need to wait 3 months after amalgam removal to take any ALA as well.Yes, I just use plain ALA, Solgar brand, 60 mg. Love, PH>> PH,> > Hey girl ...I dont know if I asked you yet but when you started your> DMSA round and added more DMSA you said you went from 12.5 mg> to 25 mg RIGHT? I was thinking about doing this on ROUND 3.> > I did three days and felt tired from not getting a full nights sleep ...I> see what you mean. The 3rd day I had a headache so it must be> doing something. > > I asked Patty but she thought I might ask you. I bought some> Heavy Metal Supporter on-line where I bought the Captomer at> _www.naturamart.com_ (http://www.naturamart.com) it has all your minerals > to chelate but it> also has 75 mg in 2 capsules of ALA. It sounds great to use > with the DMSA but I was afraid to take it since I just got my > fillings removed.> > Are you buying plain ALA and divideing that into doses or is yours> a mixture of things ?> > I am taking glycine and Vit. C with every dose of DMSA....Is this what> I am allowed to do ?> > Thanks Love ....................> > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)> It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance.

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PH,

I did feel good during the round but on day 4 ...WOW

my candida kicked up and I was taking Caprylic Acid for

it. It felt like I was not able to handle food again. I had headaches and weird pains in my head.

Did you take 2 week breaks in between ?

Have you tried Caprylic Acid in pill form ? Or do you like the GSE better ?

I know what you mean by enjoy my sleep uninterrupted now !!!!!!!!!!!!

Love

In a message dated 3/17/2008 7:54:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, perfecthealth68@... writes:

Hi ,Of course I'll still stay and help! You might heal before I do though...I'm not that far ahead of you in rounds and everyone's so different when it comes to healing that who knows! Yes, that's exactly what I feel like at the end of rounds. It's like my body is screaming for me to stop. They say that's the yeast kicking up. I've read that both DMSA and ALA can cause digestive issues so that's why I'm more careful to include the GSE when I'm on round. I end up feeling a little better between rounds but then after a few days have this strong need that I need to go on round...you'll figure out the pattern to your symptoms after a few rounds.Glad you felt good during the round. It gets easier as you go as long as you don't do anything too drastic with altering dosage. Enjoy these next few days with uninterrupted sleep!Love, PH>> PH,> thank you for all your help....I got the book and yeh its very confusing > !!!!!!!> so I am just going to follow your protocol ....when you get better please > dont> get up and leave just yet until I am done with the protocol OK ....most > girls get better and leave. I am looking forward to following your advice.> > I am still not able to get on the forum for the Andy Cutler protocol...darn > computers...> or darn operators..LOLOLOL> I stayed on the DMSA for 3 days and now taking a break ....today is the > break day and> I have stuffy nose ....headaches.....brain fog.....fatigue....and little > digestive problems.> > Is this how you feel coming off a round ? I felt good doing the round !!! > Yeah.> > Love ya ,> > > > In a message dated 3/17/2008 11:18:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > perfecthealth68@... writes:> > > > > Hi ,> > I didn't increase until the 6th round...from 12.5 to 25 mg...which is > against Cutler's protocol but I didn't feel like trying to divide > capsules into 18 point something mg...too confusing.> > Just make sure you never increase during a round. I can't really say > if you should increase DMSA on the 3rd round. You just have to go by > symptoms. Cutler suggests not increasing until you seem to handle > the current dosage really well and have plateaued with progress...so > only you can determine that.> > I know on Cutler's forum, others have mentioned the Metal Support and > it is not recommended.it is not recommended.<WBR>..yet, Cutler is very str> opinions with what he feels is appropriate and not. For instance, he > feels that cilantro, FIR saunas, liver flushes and coffee enemas are > unsafe for mercury toxic people. I do them anyway because I have > found them beneficial. Personally, the only reason I wouldn't do the > Metal Support is because of the high dose of ALA...down the road I'd > certainly use it, but not at this stage. The only reason I say that > is from others on the forum who have jumped right in with high doses > of ALA only to have serious setbacks. You need to wait 3 months > after amalgam removal to take any ALA as well.> > Yes, I just use plain ALA, Solgar brand, 60 mg. > Love, PH> > --- In _ @SalineSupporSal_ (mailto: ) > , shellyjo1021@, shel> >> > PH,> > > > Hey girl ...I dont know if I asked you yet but when you started your> > DMSA round and added more DMSA you said you went from 12.5 mg> > to 25 mg RIGHT? I was thinking about doing this on ROUND 3.> > > > I did three days and felt tired from not getting a full nights > sleep ...I> > see what you mean. The 3rd day I had a headache so it must be> > doing something. > > > > I asked Patty but she thought I might ask you. I bought some> > Heavy Metal Supporter on-line where I bought the Captomer at> > _www.naturamart. _www._http://www.naturamahttp:/_ > (http://www.naturamart.com/) ) it has all your > minerals > > to chelate but it> > also has 75 mg in 2 capsules of ALA. It sounds great to use > > with the DMSA but I was afraid to take it since I just got my > > fillings removed.> > > > Are you buying plain ALA and divideing that into doses or is yours> > a mixture of things ?> > > > I am taking glycine and Vit. C with every dose of DMSA....Is this > what> > I am allowed to do ?> > > > Thanks Love ............ Thanks Love .> > > > > > > > ************ ************<WBR>**It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, > Money & > > Finance. (_http://money.http://moneyhttp://money.<WBhttp://mo_ > (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) )> >> > > > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)> It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance.

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PH,

I know this may sound gross but I am pooping a lot more after done on

my first round. I feel like crap and this is the 5th day. Is this what you

mean. I have took a break from everything like FIR saunas and coffee enemas

I am sooooo fatigued and sick to my tummy it feels like.

I appreciate your help. DO you get shakey when your candida acts up.........

I get shakey in the legs and tummy and I think the bowels too.

Love

In a message dated 3/18/2008 10:05:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, shellyjo1021@... writes:

PH,

I did feel good during the round but on day 4 ...WOW

my candida kicked up and I was taking Caprylic Acid for

it. It felt like I was not able to handle food again. I had headaches and weird pains in my head.

Did you take 2 week breaks in between ?

Have you tried Caprylic Acid in pill form ? Or do you like the GSE better ?

I know what you mean by enjoy my sleep uninterrupted now !!!!!!!!!!!!

Love

In a message dated 3/17/2008 7:54:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, perfecthealth68 writes:

Hi ,Of course I'll still stay and help! You might heal before I do though...I'm not that far ahead of you in rounds and everyone's so different when it comes to healing that who knows! Yes, that's exactly what I feel like at the end of rounds. It's like my body is screaming for me to stop. They say that's the yeast kicking up. I've read that both DMSA and ALA can cause digestive issues so that's why I'm more careful to include the GSE when I'm on round. I end up feeling a little better between rounds but then after a few days have this strong need that I need to go on round...you'll figure out the pattern to your symptoms after a few rounds.Glad you felt good during the round. It gets easier as you go as long as you don't do anything too drastic with altering dosage. Enjoy these next few days with uninterrupted sleep!Love, PH>> PH,> thank you for all your help....I got the book and yeh its very confusing > !!!!!!!> so I am just going to follow your protocol ....when you get better please > dont> get up and leave just yet until I am done with the protocol OK ....most > girls get better and leave. I am looking forward to following your advice.> > I am still not able to get on the forum for the Andy Cutler protocol...darn > computers...> or darn operators..LOLOLOL> I stayed on the DMSA for 3 days and now taking a break ....today is the > break day and> I have stuffy nose ....headaches.....brain fog.....fatigue....and little > digestive problems.> > Is this how you feel coming off a round ? I felt good doing the round !!! > Yeah.> > Love ya ,> > > > In a message dated 3/17/2008 11:18:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > perfecthealth68@... writes:> > > > > Hi ,> > I didn't increase until the 6th round...from 12.5 to 25 mg...which is > against Cutler's protocol but I didn't feel like trying to divide > capsules into 18 point something mg...too confusing.> > Just make sure you never increase during a round. I can't really say > if you should increase DMSA on the 3rd round. You just have to go by > symptoms. Cutler suggests not increasing until you seem to handle > the current dosage really well and have plateaued with progress...so > only you can determine that.> > I know on Cutler's forum, others have mentioned the Metal Support and > it is not recommended.it is not recommended.<WBR>..yet, Cutler is very str> opinions with what he feels is appropriate and not. For instance, he > feels that cilantro, FIR saunas, liver flushes and coffee enemas are > unsafe for mercury toxic people. I do them anyway because I have > found them beneficial. Personally, the only reason I wouldn't do the > Metal Support is because of the high dose of ALA...down the road I'd > certainly use it, but not at this stage. The only reason I say that > is from others on the forum who have jumped right in with high doses > of ALA only to have serious setbacks. You need to wait 3 months > after amalgam removal to take any ALA as well.> > Yes, I just use plain ALA, Solgar brand, 60 mg. > Love, PH> > --- In _ @SalineSupporSal_ (mailto: ) > , shellyjo1021@, shel> >> > PH,> > > > Hey girl ...I dont know if I asked you yet but when you started your> > DMSA round and added more DMSA you said you went from 12.5 mg> > to 25 mg RIGHT? I was thinking about doing this on ROUND 3.> > > > I did three days and felt tired from not getting a full nights > sleep ...I> > see what you mean. The 3rd day I had a headache so it must be> > doing something. > > > > I asked Patty but she thought I might ask you. I bought some> > Heavy Metal Supporter on-line where I bought the Captomer at> > _www.naturamart. _www._http://www.naturamahttp:/_ > (http://www.naturamart.com/) ) it has all your > minerals > > to chelate but it> > also has 75 mg in 2 capsules of ALA. It sounds great to use > > with the DMSA but I was afraid to take it since I just got my > > fillings removed.> > > > Are you buying plain ALA and divideing that into doses or is yours> > a mixture of things ?> > > > I am taking glycine and Vit. C with every dose of DMSA....Is this > what> > I am allowed to do ?> > > > Thanks Love ............ Thanks Love .> > > > > > > > ************ ************<WBR>**It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, > Money & > > Finance. (_http://money.http://moneyhttp://money.<WBhttp://mo_ > (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) )> >> > > > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)>

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Thanks Rogene,

I got my ionic Foot bath today and I tried it out and used Distilled Water

and the water turned out blackish orange . Can we use filtered water too ?

Love

In a message dated 3/18/2008 3:16:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, saxony01@... writes:

. . . As much as you want to get through detoxing, the secret to success is going slow. . . Your body needs time to adjust between treatments. . . Very important!The good news is that you're going to be feeling better than you have in a long time soon! But you'll need to get through this first.Hugs,Rogene

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Rogene,

I have an Ionic Oasis foot bath......it talks about tap and soft water.

I used distilled is this OK ?

In a message dated 3/18/2008 4:04:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, saxony01@... writes:

,If you don't have an Ionic Oasis foot bath, use whatever water they recommend. Tap water will ruin some arrays.Hugs,Rogene

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Rogene,

My tap water has chlorine in it....we have city water ...is this OK ?

In a message dated 3/18/2008 4:03:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, saxony01@... writes:

,If you have an Ionic Oasis foot bath, just use tap water.If you want to see the difference your feet make, do a test run with just the array in the water. The water will change, even without your feet . . . As you get the toxins out, the color should improve significantly. . . It will never be the same as just plain water though.Hugs,Rogene

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Rogene,

My tap water has chlorine in it....we have city water ...is this OK ?

In a message dated 3/18/2008 4:03:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, saxony01@... writes:

,If you have an Ionic Oasis foot bath, just use tap water.If you want to see the difference your feet make, do a test run with just the array in the water. The water will change, even without your feet . . . As you get the toxins out, the color should improve significantly. . . It will never be the same as just plain water though.Hugs,Rogene

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Rogene,

I used distilled water and I forgot that the water did look like rust and

my feet smelled like rust also.

In a message dated 3/18/2008 4:33:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, saxony01@... writes:

,Distilled water won't hurt the Ionic Oasis foot bath . . . The unit is well made and will handle virtually any water. It's just that you don't have to spend the extra money.Areas that get their water from deep wells usually have "hard" water. You would know because it leaves rust stains in the commode and in clothes. If you want "soft" water, try catching some rain water. . . That's as soft as it gets!Love,Rogene

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Rogene,

I used distilled water and I forgot that the water did look like rust and

my feet smelled like rust also.

In a message dated 3/18/2008 4:33:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, saxony01@... writes:

,Distilled water won't hurt the Ionic Oasis foot bath . . . The unit is well made and will handle virtually any water. It's just that you don't have to spend the extra money.Areas that get their water from deep wells usually have "hard" water. You would know because it leaves rust stains in the commode and in clothes. If you want "soft" water, try catching some rain water. . . That's as soft as it gets!Love,Rogene

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PH<

Thank you ...Patty says we can eat blue corn chips ...is this a

problem with people with candidas ?

In a message dated 3/18/2008 5:58:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, perfecthealth68@... writes:

,I haven't experienced that but it's great that you're going that often because it means you're getting the mercury out! I saw in another post that Rogene suggested going slowly. I couldn't agree more! When I'm on round, I do very little detoxing...just an epsom salt bath or an occasional coffee enema. I save my heavier detoxing for when I'm off round. Sometimes the day after round I get a colonic to get the mercury out faster. I only do the FIR sauna when I'm off round because I don't know how it impacts the circulating mercury. Yes, I get shakey when the candida acts up. In fact, after Round 1 and Round 2, I took a week and a half off because the side effects of chelation were so rough. It gets easier though. Now I do 4-5 days on w/ the same number as off and the side effects have diminished a little...still hellish, but tolerable.In your private email you mentioned you're only eating eggs. One thing Cutler mentions is that eggs are high in sulfur. Since you felt you had a reaction to the garlic (also high in sulfur), you might see if you can cut back on the eggs and find something else to eat instead. In the beginning I was so miserable 'round the clock that everything I ate felt the same. I was eating lots of broccoli, cabbage, eggs, onions and garlic...all high in sulfur. As the metals have come out, I can tolerate them now w/ no problem. Here's a list of sulfur foods.http://www.canarys-eye-view.org/challenges/food/sulfurfoods.htmlYou definitely don't want to avoid all because they have many nutrients you need, but just cut back a little or mix them up...eggs are notorious for causing reactions in many people. I tested moderately intolerant to them and so I only have them once or twice a week. If you eliminate them for a while you can reintroduce them and see whether that's what's been making your tummy feel so bad.Many on the chelation forum describe the pattern as "when you're on round and the yeast starts increasing you become inconsolable and cry like a baby. You go off round and things calm down for a couple days and then you feel utter despair which is the sign you need to chelate and get the metals out." I couldn't agree more. That has been my experience the last three months to a T but it does get better. Just hang in there. Eventually the metals and yeasts will lessen so that we don't experience these traumatic and annoying symptoms. Love, PH>> PH,> > I know this may sound gross but I am pooping a lot more after done on> my first round. I feel like crap and this is the 5th day. Is this what you> mean. I have took a break from everything like FIR saunas and coffee enemas> I am sooooo fatigued and sick to my tummy it feels like.> > I appreciate your help. DO you get shakey when your candida acts up.........> I get shakey in the legs and tummy and I think the bowels too.> > Love > > > In a message dated 3/18/2008 10:05:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > shellyjo1021@... writes:> > > > > PH,> I did feel good during the round but on day 4 ...WOW > my candida kicked up and I was taking Caprylic Acid for> it. It felt like I was not able to handle food again. I had headaches and > weird pains in my head. > > Did you take 2 week breaks in between ?> > Have you tried Caprylic Acid in pill form ? Or do you like the GSE better ?> > I know what you mean by enjoy my sleep uninterrupted now !!!!!!!!!!!!> > Love > > > > In a message dated 3/17/2008 7:54:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > perfecthealth68@In a message date> > > > > Hi ,> Of course I'll still stay and help! You might heal before I do > though...I'm not that far ahead of you in rounds and everyone's so > different when it comes to healing that who knows! > > Yes, that's exactly what I feel like at the end of rounds. It's like > my body is screaming for me to stop. They say that's the yeast > kicking up. I've read that both DMSA and ALA can cause digestive > issues so that's why I'm more careful to include the GSE when I'm on > round. I end up feeling a little better between rounds but then > after a few days have this strong need that I need to go on > round...you'round...you'<WBR>ll figure out the pattern to your symp> rounds.> > Glad you felt good during the round. It gets easier as you go as > long as you don't do anything too drastic with altering dosage. > Enjoy these next few days with uninterrupted sleep!> > Love, PH> > --- In _ @SalineSupporSal_ (mailto: ) > , shellyjo1021@, sh> >> > PH,> > thank you for all your help....I got the book and yeh its very > confusing > > !!!!!!!> > so I am just going to follow your protocol ....when you get better > please > > dont> > get up and leave just yet until I am done with the protocol > OK ....most > > girls get better and leave. I am looking forward to following > your advice.> > > > I am still not able to get on the forum for the Andy Cutler > protocol...darn > > computers...> > or darn operators..LOLOLOL> > I stayed on the DMSA for 3 days and now taking a break ....today is > the > > break day and> > I have stuffy nose ....headaches. I have stuffy nose ....headache I have> little > > digestive problems.> > > > Is this how you feel coming off a round ? I felt good doing the > round !!! > > Yeah.> > > > Love ya ,> > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/17/2008 11:18:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > perfecthealth68@ perfecthea> > > > > > > > > > Hi ,> > > > I didn't increase until the 6th round...from 12.5 to 25 mg...which > is > > against Cutler's protocol but I didn't feel like trying to divide > > capsules into 18 point something mg...too confusing.> > > > Just make sure you never increase during a round. I can't really > say > > if you should increase DMSA on the 3rd round. You just have to go > by > > symptoms. Cutler suggests not increasing until you seem to handle > > the current dosage really well and have plateaued with > progress...so > > only you can determine that.> > > > I know on Cutler's forum, others have mentioned the Metal Support > and > > it is not recommended. it is not recommended.<WBR><WBR>..yet, Cutler is > very str> > opinions with what he feels is appropriate and not. For instance, > he > > feels that cilantro, FIR saunas, liver flushes and coffee enemas > are > > unsafe for mercury toxic people. I do them anyway because I have > > found them beneficial. Personally, the only reason I wouldn't do > the > > Metal Support is because of the high dose of ALA...down the road > I'd > > certainly use it, but not at this stage. The only reason I say > that > > is from others on the forum who have jumped right in with high > doses > > of ALA only to have serious setbacks. You need to wait 3 months > > after amalgam removal to take any ALA as well.> > > > Yes, I just use plain ALA, Solgar brand, 60 mg. > > Love, PH> > > > --- In _ @ --- In _Sa> (mailto:_ @SalineSupporSal_ > (mailto: ) ) > > , shellyjo1021@ , she> > >> > > PH,> > > > > > Hey girl ...I dont know if I asked you yet but when you started > your> > > DMSA round and added more DMSA you said you went from 12.5 mg> > > to 25 mg RIGHT? I was thinking about doing this on ROUND 3.> > > > > > I did three days and felt tired from not getting a full nights > > sleep ...I> > > see what you mean. The 3rd day I had a headache so it must be> > > doing something. > > > > > > I asked Patty but she thought I might ask you. I bought some> > > Heavy Metal Supporter on-line where I bought the Captomer at> > > _www.naturamart. _www.__http://www.naturamahttp://_ > (http://www.naturamahttp/_) > > (_http://www.naturamahttp://_ (http://www.naturamart.com/) ) ) it has all > your > > minerals > > > to chelate but it> > > also has 75 mg in 2 capsules of ALA. It sounds great to use > > > with the DMSA but I was afraid to take it since I just got my > > > fillings removed.> > > > > > Are you buying plain ALA and divideing that into doses or is > yours> > > a mixture of things ?> > > > > > I am taking glycine and Vit. C with every dose of DMSA....Is > this > > what> > > I am allowed to do ?> > > > > > Thanks Love ............ 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Thank you ...Patty says we can eat blue corn chips ...is this a

problem with people with candidas ?

In a message dated 3/18/2008 5:58:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, perfecthealth68@... writes:

,I haven't experienced that but it's great that you're going that often because it means you're getting the mercury out! I saw in another post that Rogene suggested going slowly. I couldn't agree more! When I'm on round, I do very little detoxing...just an epsom salt bath or an occasional coffee enema. I save my heavier detoxing for when I'm off round. Sometimes the day after round I get a colonic to get the mercury out faster. I only do the FIR sauna when I'm off round because I don't know how it impacts the circulating mercury. Yes, I get shakey when the candida acts up. In fact, after Round 1 and Round 2, I took a week and a half off because the side effects of chelation were so rough. It gets easier though. Now I do 4-5 days on w/ the same number as off and the side effects have diminished a little...still hellish, but tolerable.In your private email you mentioned you're only eating eggs. One thing Cutler mentions is that eggs are high in sulfur. Since you felt you had a reaction to the garlic (also high in sulfur), you might see if you can cut back on the eggs and find something else to eat instead. In the beginning I was so miserable 'round the clock that everything I ate felt the same. I was eating lots of broccoli, cabbage, eggs, onions and garlic...all high in sulfur. As the metals have come out, I can tolerate them now w/ no problem. Here's a list of sulfur foods.http://www.canarys-eye-view.org/challenges/food/sulfurfoods.htmlYou definitely don't want to avoid all because they have many nutrients you need, but just cut back a little or mix them up...eggs are notorious for causing reactions in many people. I tested moderately intolerant to them and so I only have them once or twice a week. If you eliminate them for a while you can reintroduce them and see whether that's what's been making your tummy feel so bad.Many on the chelation forum describe the pattern as "when you're on round and the yeast starts increasing you become inconsolable and cry like a baby. You go off round and things calm down for a couple days and then you feel utter despair which is the sign you need to chelate and get the metals out." I couldn't agree more. That has been my experience the last three months to a T but it does get better. Just hang in there. Eventually the metals and yeasts will lessen so that we don't experience these traumatic and annoying symptoms. Love, PH>> PH,> > I know this may sound gross but I am pooping a lot more after done on> my first round. I feel like crap and this is the 5th day. Is this what you> mean. I have took a break from everything like FIR saunas and coffee enemas> I am sooooo fatigued and sick to my tummy it feels like.> > I appreciate your help. DO you get shakey when your candida acts up.........> I get shakey in the legs and tummy and I think the bowels too.> > Love > > > In a message dated 3/18/2008 10:05:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > shellyjo1021@... writes:> > > > > PH,> I did feel good during the round but on day 4 ...WOW > my candida kicked up and I was taking Caprylic Acid for> it. It felt like I was not able to handle food again. I had headaches and > weird pains in my head. > > Did you take 2 week breaks in between ?> > Have you tried Caprylic Acid in pill form ? Or do you like the GSE better ?> > I know what you mean by enjoy my sleep uninterrupted now !!!!!!!!!!!!> > Love > > > > In a message dated 3/17/2008 7:54:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > perfecthealth68@In a message date> > > > > Hi ,> Of course I'll still stay and help! You might heal before I do > though...I'm not that far ahead of you in rounds and everyone's so > different when it comes to healing that who knows! > > Yes, that's exactly what I feel like at the end of rounds. It's like > my body is screaming for me to stop. They say that's the yeast > kicking up. I've read that both DMSA and ALA can cause digestive > issues so that's why I'm more careful to include the GSE when I'm on > round. I end up feeling a little better between rounds but then > after a few days have this strong need that I need to go on > round...you'round...you'<WBR>ll figure out the pattern to your symp> rounds.> > Glad you felt good during the round. It gets easier as you go as > long as you don't do anything too drastic with altering dosage. > Enjoy these next few days with uninterrupted sleep!> > Love, PH> > --- In _ @SalineSupporSal_ (mailto: ) > , shellyjo1021@, sh> >> > PH,> > thank you for all your help....I got the book and yeh its very > confusing > > !!!!!!!> > so I am just going to follow your protocol ....when you get better > please > > dont> > get up and leave just yet until I am done with the protocol > OK ....most > > girls get better and leave. I am looking forward to following > your advice.> > > > I am still not able to get on the forum for the Andy Cutler > protocol...darn > > computers...> > or darn operators..LOLOLOL> > I stayed on the DMSA for 3 days and now taking a break ....today is > the > > break day and> > I have stuffy nose ....headaches. I have stuffy nose ....headache I have> little > > digestive problems.> > > > Is this how you feel coming off a round ? I felt good doing the > round !!! > > Yeah.> > > > Love ya ,> > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/17/2008 11:18:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > perfecthealth68@ perfecthea> > > > > > > > > > Hi ,> > > > I didn't increase until the 6th round...from 12.5 to 25 mg...which > is > > against Cutler's protocol but I didn't feel like trying to divide > > capsules into 18 point something mg...too confusing.> > > > Just make sure you never increase during a round. I can't really > say > > if you should increase DMSA on the 3rd round. You just have to go > by > > symptoms. Cutler suggests not increasing until you seem to handle > > the current dosage really well and have plateaued with > progress...so > > only you can determine that.> > > > I know on Cutler's forum, others have mentioned the Metal Support > and > > it is not recommended. it is not recommended.<WBR><WBR>..yet, Cutler is > very str> > opinions with what he feels is appropriate and not. For instance, > he > > feels that cilantro, FIR saunas, liver flushes and coffee enemas > are > > unsafe for mercury toxic people. I do them anyway because I have > > found them beneficial. Personally, the only reason I wouldn't do > the > > Metal Support is because of the high dose of ALA...down the road > I'd > > certainly use it, but not at this stage. The only reason I say > that > > is from others on the forum who have jumped right in with high > doses > > of ALA only to have serious setbacks. You need to wait 3 months > > after amalgam removal to take any ALA as well.> > > > Yes, I just use plain ALA, Solgar brand, 60 mg. > > Love, PH> > > > --- In _ @ --- In _Sa> (mailto:_ @SalineSupporSal_ > (mailto: ) ) > > , shellyjo1021@ , she> > >> > > PH,> > > > > > Hey girl ...I dont know if I asked you yet but when you started > your> > > DMSA round and added more DMSA you said you went from 12.5 mg> > > to 25 mg RIGHT? I was thinking about doing this on ROUND 3.> > > > > > I did three days and felt tired from not getting a full nights > > sleep ...I> > > see what you mean. The 3rd day I had a headache so it must be> > > doing something. > > > > > > I asked Patty but she thought I might ask you. I bought some> > > Heavy Metal Supporter on-line where I bought the Captomer at> > > _www.naturamart. _www.__http://www.naturamahttp://_ > (http://www.naturamahttp/_) > > (_http://www.naturamahttp://_ (http://www.naturamart.com/) ) ) it has all > your > > minerals > > > to chelate but it> > > also has 75 mg in 2 capsules of ALA. It sounds great to use > > > with the DMSA but I was afraid to take it since I just got my > > > fillings removed.> > > > > > Are you buying plain ALA and divideing that into doses or is > yours> > > a mixture of things ?> > > > > > I am taking glycine and Vit. C with every dose of DMSA....Is > this > > what> > > I am allowed to do ?> > > > > > Thanks Love ............ 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. . . As much as you want to get through detoxing, the secret to success is going slow. . . Your body needs time to adjust between treatments. . . Very important!The good news is that you're going to be feeling better than you have in a long time soon! But you'll need to get through this first.Hugs,Rogene

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,If you have an Ionic Oasis foot bath, just use tap water.If you want to see the difference your feet make, do a test run with just the array in the water. The water will change, even without your feet . . . As you get the toxins out, the color should improve significantly. . . It will never be the same as just plain water though.Hugs,Rogene

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,If you don't have an Ionic Oasis foot bath, use whatever water they recommend. Tap water will ruin some arrays.Hugs,Rogene

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,Tap water is fine . . . The foot baths draw stuff out of the body . . . they don't put it in.Rogene

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,Tap water is fine . . . The foot baths draw stuff out of the body . . . they don't put it in.Rogene

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,Distilled water won't hurt the Ionic Oasis foot bath . . . The unit is well made and will handle virtually any water. It's just that you don't have to spend the extra money.Areas that get their water from deep wells usually have "hard" water. You would know because it leaves rust stains in the commode and in clothes. If you want "soft" water, try catching some rain water. . . That's as soft as it gets!Love,Rogene

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,Distilled water won't hurt the Ionic Oasis foot bath . . . The unit is well made and will handle virtually any water. It's just that you don't have to spend the extra money.Areas that get their water from deep wells usually have "hard" water. You would know because it leaves rust stains in the commode and in clothes. If you want "soft" water, try catching some rain water. . . That's as soft as it gets!Love,Rogene

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,As a part of the ionic process, the electrical current in the water takes metal away from one side of the array. This alone will make the water look rusty. That's what causes the arrays to wear out. With the two sets of arrays, you should get at least 300 treatments from your foot bath before you need new arrays. . . Compared to other brands, the arrays are cheap.Hugs,Rogene

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,As a part of the ionic process, the electrical current in the water takes metal away from one side of the array. This alone will make the water look rusty. That's what causes the arrays to wear out. With the two sets of arrays, you should get at least 300 treatments from your foot bath before you need new arrays. . . Compared to other brands, the arrays are cheap.Hugs,Rogene

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PH,

I think that is what I need a little splurging at this point !!!

LOL !!! You are right everything is ridicious following

who's plan for candida ? They are all different.

I have been getting headaches on and off and waking up

during the night at 1:00 a.m. hungry and I am taking the

sleeping pills like you are but doesn't seem to get me

sleeping thru the whole night. DARN !!!

Should I wait til the headaches stop before chelating again ?

Or should I just go for it ?

They are not to bad just on and off all day !!

Thanks for all the great stuff you have been tramendously helping !!!!

Love ya,

In a message dated 3/18/2008 9:16:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, perfecthealth68@... writes:

Hi ,According to the Body Ecology Diet, baked blue corn chips are fine. According to other candida diets they aren't. I used to be super strict because I was dealing with candida, gluten issues, mercury issues, etc. If I followed everything I've read, I'd only be able to drink water...and even which type of water is debatable...spring, mineral, reverse osmosis, distilled, etc!! It's ridiculous! I don't eat the blue corn chips because my doc said I was intolerant to corn. I do eat Lundberg Brown Rice chips though and they have corn flour in them so maybe they aren't that good for me either, but I have to eat something!!Rogene and Bindi encouraged me to lighten up and I did and all I can say is it helped ease my mind immensely and made eating tons more pleasurable. Patty didn't even follow a candida diet. Some guy on some candida forum ate 80% fruit and recovered. So, I've decided to add in fruit, eat what I want as long as it's organic, splurge once a week on whatever I'm craving, and continue to detox and chelate.I didn't mean to make you nervous about the sulfur foods...just thought that if you're eating eggs morning, noon and night and having tummy problems, that it could be the sulfur. Don't overly worry about food...I did and it made me even more miserable. I think as long as you have a "clean" diet, meaning whole foods and organic if possible, then you're fine. Dede shared a great recipe a few months ago for chicken breasts with spinach, red onion, red pepper and kefir and it's really good. I'll try to dig it up for you. Love, Ph>> PH<> Thank you ...Patty says we can eat blue corn chips ...is this a > problem with people with candidas ?> > > > > In a message dated 3/18/2008 5:58:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > perfecthealth68@... writes:> > > > > ,> I haven't experienced that but it's great that you're going that > often because it means you're getting the mercury out! I saw in > another post that Rogene suggested going slowly. I couldn't agree > more! When I'm on round, I do very little detoxing...just an epsom > salt bath or an occasional coffee enema. I save my heavier detoxing > for when I'm off round. Sometimes the day after round I get a > colonic to get the mercury out faster. I only do the FIR sauna when > I'm off round because I don't know how it impacts the circulating > mercury. > > Yes, I get shakey when the candida acts up. In fact, after Round 1 > and Round 2, I took a week and a half off because the side effects of > chelation were so rough. It gets easier though. Now I do 4-5 days > on w/ the same number as off and the side effects have diminished a > little...still hellish, but tolerable.> > In your private email you mentioned you're only eating eggs. One > thing Cutler mentions is that eggs are high in sulfur. Since you > felt you had a reaction to the garlic (also high in sulfur), you > might see if you can cut back on the eggs and find something else to > eat instead. In the beginning I was so miserable 'round the clock > that everything I ate felt the same. I was eating lots of broccoli, > cabbage, eggs, onions and garlic...all high in sulfur. As the metals > have come out, I can tolerate them now w/ no problem. Here's a list > of sulfur foods.> _http://www.canarys-http://wwhttp://www.canahttp://www.canarhttp:_ > (http://www.canarys-eye-view.org/challenges/food/sulfurfoods.html) > > You definitely don't want to avoid all because they have many > nutrients you need, but just cut back a little or mix them up...eggs > are notorious for causing reactions in many people. I tested > moderately intolerant to them and so I only have them once or twice a > week. If you eliminate them for a while you can reintroduce them and > see whether that's what's been making your tummy feel so bad.> > Many on the chelation forum describe the pattern as "when you're on > round and the yeast starts increasing you become inconsolable and cry > like a baby. You go off round and things calm down for a couple days > and then you feel utter despair which is the sign you need to chelate > and get the metals out." I couldn't agree more. That has been my > experience the last three months to a T but it does get better. Just > hang in there. Eventually the metals and yeasts will lessen so that > we don't experience these traumatic and annoying symptoms. Love, PH> > --- In _ @SalineSupporSal_ (mailto: ) > , shellyjo1021@, shel> >> > PH,> > > > I know this may sound gross but I am pooping a lot more after done > on> > my first round. I feel like crap and this is the 5th day. Is this > what you> > mean. I have took a break from everything like FIR saunas and > coffee enemas> > I am sooooo fatigued and sick to my tummy it feels like.> > > > I appreciate your help. DO you get shakey when your candida acts > up.........> > I get shakey in the legs and tummy and I think the bowels too.> > > > Love > > > > > > In a message dated 3/18/2008 10:05:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > shellyjo1021@ shelly> > > > > > > > > > PH,> > I did feel good during the round but on day 4 ...WOW > > my candida kicked up and I was taking Caprylic Acid for> > it. It felt like I was not able to handle food again. I had > headaches and > > weird pains in my head. > > > > Did you take 2 week breaks in between ?> > > > Have you tried Caprylic Acid in pill form ? Or do you like the > GSE better ?> > > > I know what you mean by enjoy my sleep uninterrupted > now !!!!!!!!!!!!> > > > Love > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/17/2008 7:54:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > perfecthealth68@ perfecthealth68@> > > > > > > > > > Hi ,> > Of course I'll still stay and help! You might heal before I do > > though...I'm not that far ahead of you in rounds and everyone's so > > different when it comes to healing that who knows! > > > > Yes, that's exactly what I feel like at the end of rounds. It's > like > > my body is screaming for me to stop. They say that's the yeast > > kicking up. I've read that both DMSA and ALA can cause digestive > > issues so that's why I'm more careful to include the GSE when I'm > on > > round. I end up feeling a little better between rounds but then > > after a few days have this strong need that I need to go on > > round...you' round...you<WBR>ll figure out the pattern to your symp> > rounds.> > > > Glad you felt good during the round. It gets easier as you go as > > long as you don't do anything too drastic with altering dosage. > > Enjoy these next few days with uninterrupted sleep!> > > > Love, PH> > > > --- In _ @ --- In _Sali> (mailto:_ @SalineSupporSal_ > (mailto: ) ) > > , shellyjo1021@ , s> > >> > > PH,> > > thank you for all your help....I got the book and yeh its very > > confusing > > > !!!!!!!> > > so I am just going to follow your protocol ....when you get > better > > please > > > dont> > > get up and leave just yet until I am done with the protocol > > OK ....most > > > girls get better and leave. I am looking forward to following > > your advice.> > > > > > I am still not able to get on the forum for the Andy Cutler > > protocol...darn > > > computers...> > > or darn operators..LOLOLOL> > > I stayed on the DMSA for 3 days and now taking a break ....today > is > > the > > > break day and> > > I have stuffy nose ....headaches. I have stuffy nose ....headache > I have> > little > > > digestive problems.> > > > > > Is this how you feel coming off a round ? I felt good doing the > > round !!! > > > Yeah.> > > > > > Love ya ,> > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/17/2008 11:18:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight > Time, > > > perfecthealth68@ perfecthea> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi ,> > > > > > I didn't increase until the 6th round...from 12.5 to 25 > mg...which > > is > > > against Cutler's protocol but I didn't feel like trying to > divide > > > capsules into 18 point something mg...too confusing.> > > > > > Just make sure you never increase during a round. I can't really > > say > > > if you should increase DMSA on the 3rd round. You just have to > go > > by > > > symptoms. Cutler suggests not increasing until you seem to > handle > > > the current dosage really well and have plateaued with > > progress...so > > > only you can determine that.> > > > > > I know on Cutler's forum, others have mentioned the Metal > Support > > and > > > it is not recommended. it is not recommended.<WBR><WBR><WBR>..yet,> Cutler is > > very str> > > opinions with what he feels is appropriate and not. For > instance, > > he > > > feels that cilantro, FIR saunas, liver flushes and coffee enemas > > are > > > unsafe for mercury toxic people. I do them anyway because I have > > > found them beneficial. Personally, the only reason I wouldn't do > > the > > > Metal Support is because of the high dose of ALA...down the road > > I'd > > > certainly use it, but not at this stage. The only reason I say > > that > > > is from others on the forum who have jumped right in with high > > doses > > > of ALA only to have serious setbacks. You need to wait 3 months > > > after amalgam removal to take any ALA as well.> > > > > > Yes, I just use plain ALA, Solgar brand, 60 mg. > > > Love, PH> > > > > > --- In _ @ --- In _Sa> > (mailto:_SalineSupp (mailto:_Sa > > (mailto:_ @SalineSupporSal_ > (mailto: ) ) ) > > > , shellyjo1021@ , she> > > >> > > > PH,> > > > > > > > Hey girl ...I dont know if I asked you yet but when you > started > > your> > > > DMSA round and added more DMSA you said you went from 12.5 mg> > > > to 25 mg RIGHT? I was thinking about doing this on ROUND 3.> > > > > > > > I did three days and felt tired from not getting a full nights > > > sleep ...I> > > > see what you mean. The 3rd day I had a headache so it must be> > > > doing something. > > > > > > > > I asked Patty but she thought I might ask you. I bought some> > > > Heavy Metal Supporter on-line where I bought the Captomer at> > > > _www.naturamart. _www.___http://www.naturamahttp://w_ > (http://www.naturamahttp//_) > > (_http://www.naturamahttp:/_ (http://www.naturamahttp/_) ) > > > (__http://www.naturamahttp://w_ (http://www.naturamahttp//_) > (_http://www.naturamahttp://_ (http://www.naturamart.com/) ) ) ) > it has all > > your > > > minerals > > > > to chelate but it> > > > also has 75 mg in 2 capsules of ALA. It sounds great to use > > > > with the DMSA but I was afraid to take it since I just got my > > > > fillings removed.> > > > > > > > Are you buying plain ALA and divideing that into doses or is > > yours> > > > a mixture of things ?> > > > > > > > I am taking glycine and Vit. C with every dose of DMSA....Is > > this > > > what> > > > I am allowed to do ?> > > > > > > > Thanks Love ............ 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