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JEESSHHHHH - what the f***** happened - I just get back from the dentist

and there is NOTHING from anyone except for this. Can you tell me more

details.

sheri

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>or truth. The Democrats, at least most of them, and that magnificent

>human being Senator McCain, deserve our deepest gratitude.

>

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As far as I know, they voted DOWN the leiberman amendment... they

just voted to waive some Budget act that would allow them to spend

the exhorbent amounts of money they are intending to on what Sen Byrd

said 'has nothing to do with Homeland Security'.

I have NO idea what they are voting on now. I'm ashamed to live in

the state I am and I'm glad I didn't vote for the senators from Maine

that are in office. This is a VERY sad day.

~ le <---Who's off to change a stinky cloth diaper and nurse

her 21 month old son down for a nap and hope that by the time I'm

finished, this will all just be a bad dream.

> JEESSHHHHH - what the f***** happened - I just get back from the

dentist

> and there is NOTHING from anyone except for this. Can you tell me

more

> details.

> sheri

>

>

> >Thank you to all. It is a sad day, indeed.

> >

> >I hope all of you who have always been certain the Democrats were

our

> >problem, and that a Republican majority would be the answer to our

> >prayers, will understand that neither side holds a monopoly on

justice

> >or truth. The Democrats, at least most of them, and that

magnificent

> >human being Senator McCain, deserve our deepest gratitude.

> >

> >Sandy Mintz

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

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ADVICE. THE

> DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

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Vicky, I'm so sorry to hear this. My thoughts are with you today, it's just gut-wrenching, I'm sure you feel a bit shell-shocked by it all, I know I found the whole process so traumatic and completely shocking and we didn't even go to tribunal.

It's even worse to hear that your own side did you no good for such extortionate amounts of money, it's all so very very unjust.

Hang in there, take some time and regroup.

Take care,

Darla

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Vicky, I'm so sorry to hear this. My thoughts are with you today, it's just gut-wrenching, I'm sure you feel a bit shell-shocked by it all, I know I found the whole process so traumatic and completely shocking and we didn't even go to tribunal.

It's even worse to hear that your own side did you no good for such extortionate amounts of money, it's all so very very unjust.

Hang in there, take some time and regroup.

Take care,

Darla

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Vicky, I'm so sorry to hear this. My thoughts are with you today, it's just gut-wrenching, I'm sure you feel a bit shell-shocked by it all, I know I found the whole process so traumatic and completely shocking and we didn't even go to tribunal.

It's even worse to hear that your own side did you no good for such extortionate amounts of money, it's all so very very unjust.

Hang in there, take some time and regroup.

Take care,

Darla

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Try not to feel defeated. This is NOT over. You WILL get there.

Thinking of you.

Steph x

>

> Decision arrived as expected we lost.

> Our Ed Psyche was much quoted at endorsing the LEA and school which she

> did indeed do. Our Speech therapist was cited as being in agreement

> with their Speech therapist, ous barrister was barely mentioned which

> is understandable seeing as he hardly opened his mouth all day!

> We gained next to nothing on the statement either, school was

> trumpeted as being excellent, head cited as a very credible witness, on

> and on.

> We have been completely turned over by all involved, undoubtedly one of

> the worst experiences of my life, was sold down the river by our

> own side, no other way of putting it, I have it here in black and white!

> Vicky

>

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Vicky, so sorry to hear that you lost. Why don’t you name these people and we will all remember not to hire them.

Gillian

Decision arrived as expected we lost.

Our Ed Psyche was much quoted at endorsing the LEA and school which she

did indeed do. Our Speech therapist was cited as being in agreement

with their Speech therapist, ous barrister was barely mentioned which

is understandable seeing as he hardly opened his mouth all day!

We gained next to nothing on the statement either, school was

trumpeted as being excellent, head cited as a very credible witness, on

and on.

We have been completely turned over by all involved, undoubtedly one of

the worst experiences of my life, was sold down the river by our

own side, no other way of putting it, I have it here in black and white!

Vicky

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Sorry to hear this sad news Vicky. All I can say is, brush yourself off, stand up and march onwards. You are fighting for . I hope it doesn't spoil your Christmas. Thinking of you all. love xxveronicamadigan wrote: Decision arrived as expected we lost.Our Ed Psyche was much quoted at endorsing the LEA and school which she did indeed do. Our Speech therapist was cited as being in agreement with their Speech therapist,

ous barrister was barely mentioned which is understandable seeing as he hardly opened his mouth all day!We gained next to nothing on the statement either, school was trumpeted as being excellent, head cited as a very credible witness, on and on.We have been completely turned over by all involved, undoubtedly one of the worst experiences of my life, was sold down the river by our own side, no other way of putting it, I have it here in black and white!Vicky

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So Sorry to hear this - perhaps if you can use the point of law (was it

a biased Chairman) ot get a rehearing you can represent yourself?

Anyhow take a break for the moment and recharge.

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Dear Vicky, How awful,especially at this time of year.

I agree with the poster who suggested naming the people who gave

evidence against your son.It sounds as though the independent ed.

psych may have been poorly propared and briefed - if her thoughts

were along the lines revealed at Tribunal her report shouldn't have

been used, nor should she have been called as a witness. I was

looking up special school ofsted reports for nowrich and wasn't sure

what 's school was called.

Have you written down the points on which the LEA misled the

Tribunal? could be grounds to get their decision quashed and perhaps

get your costs, but I'm not sure on this point.

Margaret

>

> Vicky, I'm so sorry to hear this. My thoughts are with you today,

it's just

> gut-wrenching, I'm sure you feel a bit shell-shocked by it all, I

know I

> found the whole process so traumatic and completely shocking and

we didn't even

> go to tribunal.

>

> It's even worse to hear that your own side did you no good for

such

> extortionate amounts of money, it's all so very very unjust.

>

> Hang in there, take some time and regroup.

>

> Take care,

> Darla

>

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Dear Vicky, How awful,especially at this time of year.

I agree with the poster who suggested naming the people who gave

evidence against your son.It sounds as though the independent ed.

psych may have been poorly propared and briefed - if her thoughts

were along the lines revealed at Tribunal her report shouldn't have

been used, nor should she have been called as a witness. I was

looking up special school ofsted reports for nowrich and wasn't sure

what 's school was called.

Have you written down the points on which the LEA misled the

Tribunal? could be grounds to get their decision quashed and perhaps

get your costs, but I'm not sure on this point.

Margaret

>

> Vicky, I'm so sorry to hear this. My thoughts are with you today,

it's just

> gut-wrenching, I'm sure you feel a bit shell-shocked by it all, I

know I

> found the whole process so traumatic and completely shocking and

we didn't even

> go to tribunal.

>

> It's even worse to hear that your own side did you no good for

such

> extortionate amounts of money, it's all so very very unjust.

>

> Hang in there, take some time and regroup.

>

> Take care,

> Darla

>

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Dear Vicky, How awful,especially at this time of year.

I agree with the poster who suggested naming the people who gave

evidence against your son.It sounds as though the independent ed.

psych may have been poorly propared and briefed - if her thoughts

were along the lines revealed at Tribunal her report shouldn't have

been used, nor should she have been called as a witness. I was

looking up special school ofsted reports for nowrich and wasn't sure

what 's school was called.

Have you written down the points on which the LEA misled the

Tribunal? could be grounds to get their decision quashed and perhaps

get your costs, but I'm not sure on this point.

Margaret

>

> Vicky, I'm so sorry to hear this. My thoughts are with you today,

it's just

> gut-wrenching, I'm sure you feel a bit shell-shocked by it all, I

know I

> found the whole process so traumatic and completely shocking and

we didn't even

> go to tribunal.

>

> It's even worse to hear that your own side did you no good for

such

> extortionate amounts of money, it's all so very very unjust.

>

> Hang in there, take some time and regroup.

>

> Take care,

> Darla

>

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So sorry to hear that, Vicky. Hope you get over it soon.

Natasa

>

> Decision arrived as expected we lost.

> Our Ed Psyche was much quoted at endorsing the LEA and school which

she

> did indeed do. Our Speech therapist was cited as being in agreement

> with their Speech therapist, ous barrister was barely mentioned which

> is understandable seeing as he hardly opened his mouth all day!

> We gained next to nothing on the statement either, school was

> trumpeted as being excellent, head cited as a very credible witness,

on

> and on.

> We have been completely turned over by all involved, undoubtedly one

of

> the worst experiences of my life, was sold down the river by our

> own side, no other way of putting it, I have it here in black and

white!

> Vicky

>

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So sorry to hear that, Vicky. Hope you get over it soon.

Natasa

>

> Decision arrived as expected we lost.

> Our Ed Psyche was much quoted at endorsing the LEA and school which

she

> did indeed do. Our Speech therapist was cited as being in agreement

> with their Speech therapist, ous barrister was barely mentioned which

> is understandable seeing as he hardly opened his mouth all day!

> We gained next to nothing on the statement either, school was

> trumpeted as being excellent, head cited as a very credible witness,

on

> and on.

> We have been completely turned over by all involved, undoubtedly one

of

> the worst experiences of my life, was sold down the river by our

> own side, no other way of putting it, I have it here in black and

white!

> Vicky

>

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Hi Vicky so sorry to here that things did not work out for you this time but there is always another way for us dont worry try and enjoy the holiday lots of hugs and smiles Eva veronicamadigan wrote: Decision arrived as expected we lost.Our Ed Psyche was much quoted at endorsing the LEA and school which she did indeed do. Our Speech therapist was cited as being in agreement with their Speech therapist, ous barrister was barely mentioned which is understandable seeing as he hardly opened his mouth all day!We gained next to nothing on the statement either, school was trumpeted as being

excellent, head cited as a very credible witness, on and on.We have been completely turned over by all involved, undoubtedly one of the worst experiences of my life, was sold down the river by our own side, no other way of putting it, I have it here in black and white!VickyDISCLAIMERNo information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner.

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Hi Vicky so sorry to here that things did not work out for you this time but there is always another way for us dont worry try and enjoy the holiday lots of hugs and smiles Eva veronicamadigan wrote: Decision arrived as expected we lost.Our Ed Psyche was much quoted at endorsing the LEA and school which she did indeed do. Our Speech therapist was cited as being in agreement with their Speech therapist, ous barrister was barely mentioned which is understandable seeing as he hardly opened his mouth all day!We gained next to nothing on the statement either, school was trumpeted as being

excellent, head cited as a very credible witness, on and on.We have been completely turned over by all involved, undoubtedly one of the worst experiences of my life, was sold down the river by our own side, no other way of putting it, I have it here in black and white!VickyDISCLAIMERNo information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner.

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Vicky,

Hard to say I know how you feel having been in the same position. Really think

the education system stinks. I paid for indep edu psychologist whose report was

excellent pro-ABA and he was upfront to say that it honest to admit BEFORE

tribunal that would make no difference whether he attended or not as really

Education system is designed to provide an education (LEA'S slitter how its

delivered and at what pace) but LEA's don't provide the best and most suitable

education for our children. He even admitted that LEAs education was so poor

that really it would make no difference whether my son attended or not - one

year down the line he is right. Spot on. SEN Children are sold short - if most

got intensive ABA/VB, DT,OT SALT support like in America then the long term

outlook for the children has been proven to be better. Trouble is MOST and

indeed ALL parents in my area just accept the education system, cause no waves

as long as the child is 'out of sight' 6 hours a day.

You need to analyse the decision and check if any point of law to ask for a

review. Otherwise if you 'accept' (sick!!) the decision, then put pressure on

LEA to deliver - that what I am doing.

REALLY FEEL FOR YOU.

Bridget.

>

>

> Date: 2006/12/22 Fri PM 01:54:33 GMT

> Autism Treatment

> Subject: We Lost

>

> Decision arrived as expected we lost.

> Our Ed Psyche was much quoted at endorsing the LEA and school which she

> did indeed do. Our Speech therapist was cited as being in agreement

> with their Speech therapist, ous barrister was barely mentioned which

> is understandable seeing as he hardly opened his mouth all day!

> We gained next to nothing on the statement either, school was

> trumpeted as being excellent, head cited as a very credible witness, on

> and on.

> We have been completely turned over by all involved, undoubtedly one of

> the worst experiences of my life, was sold down the river by our

> own side, no other way of putting it, I have it here in black and white!

> Vicky

>

>

>

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Vicky,

Hard to say I know how you feel having been in the same position. Really think

the education system stinks. I paid for indep edu psychologist whose report was

excellent pro-ABA and he was upfront to say that it honest to admit BEFORE

tribunal that would make no difference whether he attended or not as really

Education system is designed to provide an education (LEA'S slitter how its

delivered and at what pace) but LEA's don't provide the best and most suitable

education for our children. He even admitted that LEAs education was so poor

that really it would make no difference whether my son attended or not - one

year down the line he is right. Spot on. SEN Children are sold short - if most

got intensive ABA/VB, DT,OT SALT support like in America then the long term

outlook for the children has been proven to be better. Trouble is MOST and

indeed ALL parents in my area just accept the education system, cause no waves

as long as the child is 'out of sight' 6 hours a day.

You need to analyse the decision and check if any point of law to ask for a

review. Otherwise if you 'accept' (sick!!) the decision, then put pressure on

LEA to deliver - that what I am doing.

REALLY FEEL FOR YOU.

Bridget.

>

>

> Date: 2006/12/22 Fri PM 01:54:33 GMT

> Autism Treatment

> Subject: We Lost

>

> Decision arrived as expected we lost.

> Our Ed Psyche was much quoted at endorsing the LEA and school which she

> did indeed do. Our Speech therapist was cited as being in agreement

> with their Speech therapist, ous barrister was barely mentioned which

> is understandable seeing as he hardly opened his mouth all day!

> We gained next to nothing on the statement either, school was

> trumpeted as being excellent, head cited as a very credible witness, on

> and on.

> We have been completely turned over by all involved, undoubtedly one of

> the worst experiences of my life, was sold down the river by our

> own side, no other way of putting it, I have it here in black and white!

> Vicky

>

>

>

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hi vicky,

my name is melissa sorry to hear your news a few

things not sure if you know about, when i was fighting

to got our lea to allow me to home teach my son shane

using aba i contacted an organization called ispea

they are an independant panel for special education

needs they do provide a service where they will attend

tribinal with you, but will give lots of advice on

education law they know it back to front and gave me

lots of quotes which i used to get the lea to agree to

home ed, also one other thing i did was to download

the national curriculum and write a report states how

the aba program fulfills each goal on there, also

there is a charity in somerset called bibic they do

overall assesements to help children with special

needs and provide ot/diet/speech therapy programs but

they also have a ed phychololist who does reports for

tribinals a friend of mine had one done and used it to

get funding for her son who does aba, just a few ideas

take a break have a great christmas

melissaxx

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hi vicky,

my name is melissa sorry to hear your news a few

things not sure if you know about, when i was fighting

to got our lea to allow me to home teach my son shane

using aba i contacted an organization called ispea

they are an independant panel for special education

needs they do provide a service where they will attend

tribinal with you, but will give lots of advice on

education law they know it back to front and gave me

lots of quotes which i used to get the lea to agree to

home ed, also one other thing i did was to download

the national curriculum and write a report states how

the aba program fulfills each goal on there, also

there is a charity in somerset called bibic they do

overall assesements to help children with special

needs and provide ot/diet/speech therapy programs but

they also have a ed phychololist who does reports for

tribinals a friend of mine had one done and used it to

get funding for her son who does aba, just a few ideas

take a break have a great christmas

melissaxx

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This is so true. I took my child out of special school. A year later

she is cheerful, happy, learning easily and open to new experien ces.

In ss she was becoming more withdrawn and hysterical, more routinised,

more fearful (much more), learning virtually nothing and spending her

lessons colouring-in.

If the lea head made statements at Tribunal which turn out not to be

true (as ours did) then write it all down. Keep notes of everything

anyone says to you. A contemporaneous note can be produced as evidence

in court. Make notes, work out your best alternative and ask for it

with reasons in a year's time. If you don't get it go back to Tribunal.

This time no one will be able to tell lies about the lea provision.

It took me ages to pull myself back upright after losing at Tribunal.

I'm sorry. It's so horribly painful. The money is bad but the pain is

worse.

Sally

mummysboy@... wrote:

Vicky,

Hard to say I know how you feel having been in the same position.

Really think the education system stinks. I paid for indep edu

psychologist whose report was excellent pro-ABA and he was upfront to

say that it honest to admit BEFORE tribunal that would make no

difference whether he attended or not as really Education system is

designed to provide an education (LEA'S slitter how its delivered and

at what pace) but LEA's don't provide the best and most suitable

education for our children. He even admitted that LEAs education was so

poor that really it would make no difference whether my son attended or

not - one year down the line he is right. Spot on. SEN Children are

sold short - if most got intensive ABA/VB, DT,OT SALT support like in

America then the long term outlook for the children has been proven to

be better. Trouble is MOST and indeed ALL parents in my area just

accept the education system, cause no waves as long as the child is

'out of sight' 6 hours a day.

You need to analyse the decision and check if any point of law to ask

for a review. Otherwise if you 'accept' (sick!!) the decision, then put

pressure on LEA to deliver - that what I am doing.

REALLY FEEL FOR YOU.

Bridget.

>

> From: "veronicamadigan" <MaddiganVaol (DOT)

com>

> Date: 2006/12/22 Fri PM 01:54:33 GMT

> Autism-Biomedical-

Europe@grou ps.com

> Subject: We Lost

>

> Decision arrived as expected we lost.

> Our Ed Psyche was much quoted at endorsing the LEA and school

which she

> did indeed do. Our Speech therapist was cited as being in

agreement

> with their Speech therapist, ous barrister was barely mentioned

which

> is understandable seeing as he hardly opened his mouth all day!

> We gained next to nothing on the statement either, school was

> trumpeted as being excellent, head cited as a very credible

witness, on

> and on.

> We have been completely turned over by all involved, undoubtedly

one of

> the worst experiences of my life, was sold down the river by

our

> own side, no other way of putting it, I have it here in black and

white!

> Vicky

>

>

>

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