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Hello , Bob is correct that your Father will have to have the desire

to heal himself.

One avenue of help perhaps, is listning to a Cassette tape of a Dallas

conference in 1999 by Dr. D. Kelley, who cured his own Pancreatic

cancer several years ago, wrote 'One Answer To Cancer' and has a website

someone can give you on this site, I hope. You can get a free copy of the

free tape from:Road to Health(800)651-7080, from Bonnie O'Sullivan and she

furnishes the products Dr. Hulda reccomends in her 'Cure for Cancer

Books'. He aproches it from furnishing the Enzymes missing that influences

this. He is 94 years old, very blunt old fellow with a sharp tongue and

wit, he has his home phone No. on the tape for anyone wishing to ask

questions, he is more than willing to help folks heal themselves. Hope this

will help.

In some wholistic theraphy books, it teaches that Pancreas produces Insulin

and when a persons 'sweetness is gone' dis ease commences. One must have a

happy attitude and forgiveness and love for themselves and others, in their

heart, to promote healing. Liz

At 08:15 AM 03/05/2000 -0800, you wrote:

>>Jessy:

>>

>>I do not have a good answer for you. All I know is that poison kills you

>>and proper diet and lifestyle let you live a full life with a sense of

>>wellbeing. Lifestyle and diet are killing your father, and in my personal

>>opinion changing that is all that will keep him alive. Remember this, too:

>>he has to WANT to stay alive and WANT to be healed for any " cure " to work.

>>

>>I am sending this note to the cures for cancer list. Maybe someone will respond.

>>

>>Bob

>> My father

>>

>>

>>> Hello, Bob.

>>>

>>> I am contacting you b/c my father has pancratic cancer that has matasized

>>to

>>> the liver. He is 53 years old and has had a very stressfull 5 years prior

>>to

>>> the diagnosis.

>>>

>>> At this point he is not doing well. He has undergone chemo treatments for

>>> alomst a year (gemsideamen) and was having amazingly possitive results.

>>>

>>> Two weeks ago, the doctors at Northwestern Hospital (in Chicago were we

>>> reside) put a stint into his liver bile duct to try and keep the flow

>>> " nomal " . Since the operation all seems to be going down hill.

>>>

>>> My father is retaining an enormous amount of liquid in his stomach cavity,

>>> which the drs. claim is caused by the weeping of liver cancer cells. My

>>> father has been grained of almost a gallon of liquid this week alone (both

>>in

>>> and out patient).

>>>

>>> We are in touch with NW hospis program to try and make him more

>>comfortable.

>>> The amount of access liquid and inablility to move his bowels makes him

>>very

>>> uncomfortable and keeps him awake the majority of the night.

>>>

>>> Tuesday, the plan to try to relocate the stint to try and make it

>>effective

>>> and put in a Pig tail to drain the stomach @ home on a saily baisis.

>>>

>>> My father is on a lot of medication and takes daily shots to try and keep

>>him

>>> alive.

>>>

>>> I am wondering if you have been in touch with other patients in a similiar

>>> situation who have prolonged lifespan and made it a better quality of

>>life.

>>>

>>> I really enjoyed reading your web page and would love to receive any

>>> suggestions you may have. We are at the point that we are willing to try

>>any

>>> and all alternative protocols as the drs will no longer administer chemo

>>> while his billyrubin count is so high.

>>>

>>> I look forward to hearing from you soon.

>>>

>>> Thanks in advance -

>>>

>>> jessy braun

>>> daughter

>>> 25 years old

>>> Chicago

>>> 312-718-5318

>>

>

>Dear y,

>

>I saw your post on egroup's cures for cancer site as thoughtfully forwarded by

>Bob and want to let you know there may be a solution. We currently are

>working with two clients that have pancreatic cancer and both are doing

>fine. In one case, the most recent biopsy revealed that the cancer cells

>could no longer be identified as pancreatic and they were surrounded by

>neutrophilic cells a form of leukocyte. There have also been total

>recoveries of liver cancer with as high as 70 tumor involvement.

>

>Call me at 800 858-7477 California time during the day. There will be no

>cost to get your father started. I cannot promise that what we do will cure

>his cancer nor do we make any claims to that end as the cure can only come

>from his body. I do claim that we will make a difference.

>

>Warm regards

>

>J Bentley

>

>

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Jessy:

I do not have a good answer for you. All I know is that poison kills you

and proper diet and lifestyle let you live a full life with a sense of

wellbeing. Lifestyle and diet are killing your father, and in my personal

opinion changing that is all that will keep him alive. Remember this, too:

he has to WANT to stay alive and WANT to be healed for any " cure " to work.

I am sending this note to the cures for cancer list. Maybe someone will respond.

Bob

My father

> Hello, Bob.

>

> I am contacting you b/c my father has pancratic cancer that has matasized

to

> the liver. He is 53 years old and has had a very stressfull 5 years prior

to

> the diagnosis.

>

> At this point he is not doing well. He has undergone chemo treatments for

> alomst a year (gemsideamen) and was having amazingly possitive results.

>

> Two weeks ago, the doctors at Northwestern Hospital (in Chicago were we

> reside) put a stint into his liver bile duct to try and keep the flow

> " nomal " . Since the operation all seems to be going down hill.

>

> My father is retaining an enormous amount of liquid in his stomach cavity,

> which the drs. claim is caused by the weeping of liver cancer cells. My

> father has been grained of almost a gallon of liquid this week alone (both

in

> and out patient).

>

> We are in touch with NW hospis program to try and make him more

comfortable.

> The amount of access liquid and inablility to move his bowels makes him

very

> uncomfortable and keeps him awake the majority of the night.

>

> Tuesday, the plan to try to relocate the stint to try and make it

effective

> and put in a Pig tail to drain the stomach @ home on a saily baisis.

>

> My father is on a lot of medication and takes daily shots to try and keep

him

> alive.

>

> I am wondering if you have been in touch with other patients in a similiar

> situation who have prolonged lifespan and made it a better quality of

life.

>

> I really enjoyed reading your web page and would love to receive any

> suggestions you may have. We are at the point that we are willing to try

any

> and all alternative protocols as the drs will no longer administer chemo

> while his billyrubin count is so high.

>

> I look forward to hearing from you soon.

>

> Thanks in advance -

>

> jessy braun

> daughter

> 25 years old

> Chicago

> 312-718-5318

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>Jessy:

>

>I do not have a good answer for you. All I know is that poison kills you

>and proper diet and lifestyle let you live a full life with a sense of

>wellbeing. Lifestyle and diet are killing your father, and in my personal

>opinion changing that is all that will keep him alive. Remember this, too:

>he has to WANT to stay alive and WANT to be healed for any " cure " to work.

>

>I am sending this note to the cures for cancer list. Maybe someone will respond.

>

>Bob

> My father

>

>

>> Hello, Bob.

>>

>> I am contacting you b/c my father has pancratic cancer that has matasized

>to

>> the liver. He is 53 years old and has had a very stressfull 5 years prior

>to

>> the diagnosis.

>>

>> At this point he is not doing well. He has undergone chemo treatments for

>> alomst a year (gemsideamen) and was having amazingly possitive results.

>>

>> Two weeks ago, the doctors at Northwestern Hospital (in Chicago were we

>> reside) put a stint into his liver bile duct to try and keep the flow

>> " nomal " . Since the operation all seems to be going down hill.

>>

>> My father is retaining an enormous amount of liquid in his stomach cavity,

>> which the drs. claim is caused by the weeping of liver cancer cells. My

>> father has been grained of almost a gallon of liquid this week alone (both

>in

>> and out patient).

>>

>> We are in touch with NW hospis program to try and make him more

>comfortable.

>> The amount of access liquid and inablility to move his bowels makes him

>very

>> uncomfortable and keeps him awake the majority of the night.

>>

>> Tuesday, the plan to try to relocate the stint to try and make it

>effective

>> and put in a Pig tail to drain the stomach @ home on a saily baisis.

>>

>> My father is on a lot of medication and takes daily shots to try and keep

>him

>> alive.

>>

>> I am wondering if you have been in touch with other patients in a similiar

>> situation who have prolonged lifespan and made it a better quality of

>life.

>>

>> I really enjoyed reading your web page and would love to receive any

>> suggestions you may have. We are at the point that we are willing to try

>any

>> and all alternative protocols as the drs will no longer administer chemo

>> while his billyrubin count is so high.

>>

>> I look forward to hearing from you soon.

>>

>> Thanks in advance -

>>

>> jessy braun

>> daughter

>> 25 years old

>> Chicago

>> 312-718-5318

>

Dear y,

I saw your post on egroup's cures for cancer site as thoughtfully forwarded by

Bob and want to let you know there may be a solution. We currently are

working with two clients that have pancreatic cancer and both are doing

fine. In one case, the most recent biopsy revealed that the cancer cells

could no longer be identified as pancreatic and they were surrounded by

neutrophilic cells a form of leukocyte. There have also been total

recoveries of liver cancer with as high as 70 tumor involvement.

Call me at 800 858-7477 California time during the day. There will be no

cost to get your father started. I cannot promise that what we do will cure

his cancer nor do we make any claims to that end as the cure can only come

from his body. I do claim that we will make a difference.

Warm regards

J Bentley

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In a message dated 03/05/2000 13:53:51, michelle@... writes:

<< If just one observer could step into our life and say, " hey, push that

button, that you have your finger over. " We could do it and live.

>>

, this is so true. I think I'm living proof. Thanks for saying all

of this.

Joyce (H.)

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Jessy,

I am 36 years old. My mother recently died of breast, liver, kidney, bone,

and lung cancers. I can hear what you are saying in your post. I'd like

to offer you some encouragement as a person, not a therapist. Your father

has had this cancer for many many years. Not just recently. His life's

stresses have been the wake up call to make some changes. He has been

unable to do this emotionally.

I'll tell you a little true story, about the father of a well-known

therapist that I heard recently.

This young man's father liked to pick up hitchhikers and help them out. He

would take them to their destination and give them a few bucks. It was his

" thing " . One day, the last hitchhiker he picked up, put him in the trunk

of his hot car, and left him there. The man tried to poke holes in

everything he could to get air, and to get out, and to save his life. He

soon died of heat exposure in the trunk of his own car.

The family members were distressed beyond belief. They visited the car

together to see how their dad died. One of the sons, got into the trunk

and closed it. He could see how his father had punched holes in the lights

and anyplace that he could stick the screwdriver that he had in his hand

when he died. As he was poking his fingers, through the holes his father

had made, his brother standing outside the trunk with his mother and other

siblings, said, " hey, see if you can push the hatch button through that

hole your finger is sticking through " .

From inside the trunk, the young son, reached around the hole, pushed the

hatch release, and opened the trunk himself. Climbing out, the whole

family was reduced to utter desolation in the realization that their

father/husband had died needlessly.

How many deaths are like that? How many lives are like that?

If just one observer could step into our life and say, " hey, push that

button, that you have your finger over. " We could do it and live.

Jessy, don't give up all hope in your father, his choices, your life, and

the circumstances that you find yourself in.

There are absolutely reasons for your father's decisions. But only he

knows what they are. They are not your choices, but his alone.

Standing by and watching the ones that we love suffering, is perhaps the

most difficult thing we will ever do. I know that it was for me.

Now isn't a good time to say that people are cured of cancers like your

father's all the time. They do it in all kinds of ways. There is no ONE

way anymore, and that info is leaking out slowly but surely.

The answers to life and living well (this includes dying well) are

difficult when we are trapped in the " trunk of a hot car " . And it's

usually the most obvious solutions that give us our freedom back.

Having sight to see the bigger picture, is a true gift from God.

Jessy, even if you heard about all the cures out there, and the one that

could solve your father's immediate problems, would he " hear " you?

There is more going on here with your father's stress that you mentioned.

How can you help him now? Love him.

Just embrace his hand, squeeze it, and tell him now that he is the most

wonderful person of your entire life. Tell him that you love him beyond

any living person today, and that you will treasure always that you are his

daughter. Beam pure love at him, and let him be loved by you without any

expectation or retribution. Give him HONOR. Support all his choices.

You won't regret any of those things.

I'm praying for you and your dad.

Be well,

As for the physical, your dad should talk to Dr. , http://whale.to

At 06:37 AM 03/05/2000 -0500, you wrote:

>Jessy:

>

>I do not have a good answer for you. All I know is that poison kills you

>and proper diet and lifestyle let you live a full life with a sense of

>wellbeing. Lifestyle and diet are killing your father, and in my personal

>opinion changing that is all that will keep him alive. Remember this, too:

>he has to WANT to stay alive and WANT to be healed for any " cure " to work.

>

>I am sending this note to the cures for cancer list. Maybe someone will respond.

>

>Bob

> My father

>

>

>> Hello, Bob.

>>

>> I am contacting you b/c my father has pancratic cancer that has matasized

>to

>> the liver. He is 53 years old and has had a very stressfull 5 years prior

>to

>> the diagnosis.

>>

>> At this point he is not doing well. He has undergone chemo treatments for

>> alomst a year (gemsideamen) and was having amazingly possitive results.

>>

>> Two weeks ago, the doctors at Northwestern Hospital (in Chicago were we

>> reside) put a stint into his liver bile duct to try and keep the flow

>> " nomal " . Since the operation all seems to be going down hill.

>>

>> My father is retaining an enormous amount of liquid in his stomach cavity,

>> which the drs. claim is caused by the weeping of liver cancer cells. My

>> father has been grained of almost a gallon of liquid this week alone (both

>in

>> and out patient).

>>

>> We are in touch with NW hospis program to try and make him more

>comfortable.

>> The amount of access liquid and inablility to move his bowels makes him

>very

>> uncomfortable and keeps him awake the majority of the night.

>>

>> Tuesday, the plan to try to relocate the stint to try and make it

>effective

>> and put in a Pig tail to drain the stomach @ home on a saily baisis.

>>

>> My father is on a lot of medication and takes daily shots to try and keep

>him

>> alive.

>>

>> I am wondering if you have been in touch with other patients in a similiar

>> situation who have prolonged lifespan and made it a better quality of

>life.

>>

>> I really enjoyed reading your web page and would love to receive any

>> suggestions you may have. We are at the point that we are willing to try

>any

>> and all alternative protocols as the drs will no longer administer chemo

>> while his billyrubin count is so high.

>>

>> I look forward to hearing from you soon.

>>

>> Thanks in advance -

>>

>> jessy braun

>> daughter

>> 25 years old

>> Chicago

>> 312-718-5318

>

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My friend had liver cancer and one of the things that seemed to help the

liver and make him more comfortable was milk thistle. It also helped my own

elevated liver enzymes.

My sister has pancreatic cancer and I also give it to her. If he is able to

drink tea then

start him on Essiac Tea. Juicing is great (carrots is best) if you can get

him to drink it.

Sounds like he needs an aggressive protocol and a lot of faith. However, my

sister

was given 6 months in August and she is doing great but has stuck to a very

rigid protocol

of supplements and diet. She has rejected all 'conventional' treatments to

date.

If you want more info on her protocol, email me direct at

dmorgan@...

I am not a doctor and not selling anything. Not sure which combination has

worked for her.

Just know she is doing well and want to help anyone else that stands a

chance.

My father

>

>

> > Hello, Bob.

> >

> > I am contacting you b/c my father has pancratic cancer that has

matasized

> to

> > the liver. He is 53 years old and has had a very stressfull 5 years

prior

> to

> > the diagnosis.

> >

> > At this point he is not doing well. He has undergone chemo treatments

for

> > alomst a year (gemsideamen) and was having amazingly possitive results.

> >

> > Two weeks ago, the doctors at Northwestern Hospital (in Chicago were we

> > reside) put a stint into his liver bile duct to try and keep the flow

> > " nomal " . Since the operation all seems to be going down hill.

> >

> > My father is retaining an enormous amount of liquid in his stomach

cavity,

> > which the drs. claim is caused by the weeping of liver cancer cells. My

> > father has been grained of almost a gallon of liquid this week alone

(both

> in

> > and out patient).

> >

> > We are in touch with NW hospis program to try and make him more

> comfortable.

> > The amount of access liquid and inablility to move his bowels makes him

> very

> > uncomfortable and keeps him awake the majority of the night.

> >

> > Tuesday, the plan to try to relocate the stint to try and make it

> effective

> > and put in a Pig tail to drain the stomach @ home on a saily baisis.

> >

> > My father is on a lot of medication and takes daily shots to try and

keep

> him

> > alive.

> >

> > I am wondering if you have been in touch with other patients in a

similiar

> > situation who have prolonged lifespan and made it a better quality of

> life.

> >

> > I really enjoyed reading your web page and would love to receive any

> > suggestions you may have. We are at the point that we are willing to

try

> any

> > and all alternative protocols as the drs will no longer administer chemo

> > while his billyrubin count is so high.

> >

> > I look forward to hearing from you soon.

> >

> > Thanks in advance -

> >

> > jessy braun

> > daughter

> > 25 years old

> > Chicago

> > 312-718-5318

>

>

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y,

You may want to buy the book buy Hulda , " The Cure for all Advanced

Cancers. " She also has a egroup at onelist and people seemed to have

positive results with her protocols. She also has a website at

www..net.

Also, I would try to get fresh , organic herbs from blessedherbs.com and

start him on the essiac right away. 2 oz in the morning, take on an empty

stomach and no food or drink except water for 2 hours before and after

taking. Same thing at night. I put my grandmother on this for 10 days and

she had positive results. Make sure he drinks alot of purified water. If

you want to research essiac a little more you can go to www.essiac-info.org .

This is a really good site to learn about essiac. There are also people on

this site with testimonials and one man who had Lung cancer, stage 4 and what

he used to cure his cancer. Make sure you use the 4 herb recipe and let it

steep 12 hours.

Essiac has a postive effect on the pancreas by increasing its

effectiveness, but you may also want to obtain some pancreatic enzymes to

supplement with also. I have an audio tape of a man I got when I joined

Hulda s newsletter who cured his cancer in this way. I'll see if I can

find it and listen to it again and see what sources for these enzymes he

recommends. Someone else on this list may also know of some reliable,

effective sources. There is doctor that someone on this list knows about

that has a study going on presently, and this is the way he approaches cancer

also, by using pancreatic enzyme therapy. I want to say his name is Dr.

, but I'm not sure. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong or someone

please verify who that doctor is.

Change his diet effective immediately too. Dr Day suggest patients eat

75% of their food raw (fruits and vegetables). Go look over her site and her

diet recommendations at www.drday.com and/or you can look over the diet

recommendations at www.hacres.com (Hallelujah acres). Millet flour and the

seeds of different fruits (the highest concentration is in apricots) contain

B17 which helps eliminate cancer cells or you can learn other sources of B17

at www.canceranswer.com. Scroll down to the bottom of the page and click on

audio.

These are things that I would do, and please know that I am not a doctor.

I have been researching cancer causes, prevention and natural cures for

about 15 months now, and these are the things I have learned have the most

effective outcomes. Also, if you dad is not a praying man, start praying

with him. Ask God to come into his heart and forgive him and to help him

forgive others, ask God to help him, and verbalize that you accept his

healing. Remain positive and use positive affirmations. One lady I heard

about, said everytime she put anything in her mouth she visualized the cancer

being attacked and eaten up by little " pac-men! " Keep his spirits up,

watch funny movies etc with him. Laughing helps to booster the immune system

and will help keep him from becoming depressed.

I would start on all this immediately. It may take you a day to check

out all this information though. Stay strong and keep the faith, don't give

up! You can do this! Let us know how it goes and how he does. If money is

not a problem, I would bring him to the clinic in Mexico. They seem to have

alot of succes where allopathic or traditional 'medicine " comes up short in

the treatment of cancer. Virginia , on this list, can direct you to this

clinic. They do alot of the stuff stated here I believe. You can also look

up the Oasis of Hope clinic at www.contrerashospital.com you can contact them

and talk to somebody and see what they say.

Also, just as a side note, make sure that he is having BM's regularly so

that while he's detoxing and ridding his body of parasites, toxins etc, he

can eliminate these often. If he has trouble with it, I know of an excellent

product that works very well and safely without side effects. My dad was

having BM's once a day and now he has them 1-2 times a day, which is beyond

excellent for him! He tried everything prior to this product also,

allopathic as well as natural.

God bless you and yours....Belinda

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Dear Doris,

May I add my two cents worth. For liver cancer there is one vegetable

that detoxifies and cleanses the liver say as does milk thistle and

that is a beet. If one beet taken once a day whether in salads or

lightly steamed is essential for the health of the liver. Also may I

also ask what dosages of milk thistle is recommended. My understanding

for those with liver stress about 900 to 1800 mg a day. That is what we

experienced at the Livingston Foundation in San Diego. Sorry to butt in.

Just with to help.

God Bless You,

marty auslander

Doris wrote:

>

> My friend had liver cancer and one of the things that seemed to help the

> liver and make him more comfortable was milk thistle. It also helped my own

> elevated liver enzymes.

> My sister has pancreatic cancer and I also give it to her. If he is able to

> drink tea then

> start him on Essiac Tea. Juicing is great (carrots is best) if you can get

> him to drink it.

> Sounds like he needs an aggressive protocol and a lot of faith. However, my

> sister

> was given 6 months in August and she is doing great but has stuck to a very

> rigid protocol

> of supplements and diet. She has rejected all 'conventional' treatments to

> date.

> If you want more info on her protocol, email me direct at

> dmorgan@...

> I am not a doctor and not selling anything. Not sure which combination has

> worked for her.

> Just know she is doing well and want to help anyone else that stands a

> chance.

>

> My father

> >

> >

> > > Hello, Bob.

> > >

> > > I am contacting you b/c my father has pancratic cancer that has

> matasized

> > to

> > > the liver. He is 53 years old and has had a very stressfull 5 years

> prior

> > to

> > > the diagnosis.

> > >

> > > At this point he is not doing well. He has undergone chemo treatments

> for

> > > alomst a year (gemsideamen) and was having amazingly possitive results.

> > >

> > > Two weeks ago, the doctors at Northwestern Hospital (in Chicago were we

> > > reside) put a stint into his liver bile duct to try and keep the flow

> > > " nomal " . Since the operation all seems to be going down hill.

> > >

> > > My father is retaining an enormous amount of liquid in his stomach

> cavity,

> > > which the drs. claim is caused by the weeping of liver cancer cells. My

> > > father has been grained of almost a gallon of liquid this week alone

> (both

> > in

> > > and out patient).

> > >

> > > We are in touch with NW hospis program to try and make him more

> > comfortable.

> > > The amount of access liquid and inablility to move his bowels makes him

> > very

> > > uncomfortable and keeps him awake the majority of the night.

> > >

> > > Tuesday, the plan to try to relocate the stint to try and make it

> > effective

> > > and put in a Pig tail to drain the stomach @ home on a saily baisis.

> > >

> > > My father is on a lot of medication and takes daily shots to try and

> keep

> > him

> > > alive.

> > >

> > > I am wondering if you have been in touch with other patients in a

> similiar

> > > situation who have prolonged lifespan and made it a better quality of

> > life.

> > >

> > > I really enjoyed reading your web page and would love to receive any

> > > suggestions you may have. We are at the point that we are willing to

> try

> > any

> > > and all alternative protocols as the drs will no longer administer chemo

> > > while his billyrubin count is so high.

> > >

> > > I look forward to hearing from you soon.

> > >

> > > Thanks in advance -

> > >

> > > jessy braun

> > > daughter

> > > 25 years old

> > > Chicago

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Dear Belinda, www. is not Dr. 's web site; it is the site of the

Dr. Research Association which is based in Switzerland. The

Association also has an office in San Diego. The Association was founded in

by Amrein who lives in Switzerland. The organization supports the work

of Dr. and has a clinic in Switzerland. Membership is $40 per year.

They publish a newsletter or " Bulletin " that provides information on Dr.

's work and information on experience using the methods from all

over the world. As you may know, there are several clinics in Europe that

provide treatment based on the work. You are doubtless aware that Dr.

has a clinic in Tijuana, Mexico. There are also at least two

newsletters in addition to that of the Research Association that

provide information on the Work. " The Road to Health Using the

Method " is published in California (www.road-to-health.com) and Finding the

Way with Dr. Hulda which is published in England by Thorne

(FindingTheWay@...). K.

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Thank you you have helped me deal with my feelings of my finace who

just never wanted my help and now he agrees he should of listened. I feel sad.

In Love & Light,

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Hello

My heart was at 24% back in April when I was diagnosed, it is now at 45%. The

doctor credits this to the Coreg treatment that I am on in addition to the

Digoxin, Demadex, Accupril, Aldactone and Cozaar. Apparently only the Coreg

will actually improve the ejection

fraction of the heart, the Digoxin and Demadex only treat the symptoms, the

others are suspected to help survivability.

Is your father on Coreg (generic name is Cardevilol)? Is your fathers' cardio

myopathy ischemic? (ischemic means due to a heart attack or deprivation of blood

to the heart muscles, they figure mine is from having been to the Rain Forest so

they just call it Dilated

Cardio Myopathy, if they call it Idiopathic Cardio Myopathy then they have no

idea as to what caused it) How old is your father?

I've been told that the bottom end of normal is about 60% EF and that someone my

age (36) should have at least 75% if not in the 80's or 90's but it's not

unusual for older people to have even 40's or 50's without any problems.

They used to say that Cardio Myopathy patients have a 50% chance of dying within

two years of diagnosis and a 70% chance of dying within five years of diagnosis

but that's with just the traditional digoxin, demadex (or lasix), and accupril

treatment. The addition of

Coreg, Aldactone and Cozaar to the mix is all relatively new and they don't have

any long term stats for it so they don't know what the odds are anymore. In

theory, the Coreg helps by about 68%, the Aldactone by about 35%, Cozaar seems

to be similar to Accupril and

will probably be interchangeable with it but it's unknown if there's any

cumulative effect in using both; by those figures the five year chance of dying

should be reduced to about 15% if you extrapolate the odds mathematically

(better than the Mecury space capsule

odds) but the medical community is still saying it's a 50/50 shot at living past

five years. Guess your father and I will find out within five years.

It's kinda of interesting because last week, I was lying on the floor to fish a

fiber optic cable from a computer to a tape library and when I stood up, my

vision dimmed almost to black momentarily. That kinda shows how dependent we

are on our hearts being able to

suddenly surge in it's pumping ability.

Regards,

michellefour4@... wrote:

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> When we almost lost my dad, his heart was only functioning at 18%. A

> few years ago, it went up to 25%. Now it is down to 16% and he is

> doing well for being in the condition he is in. Normally our hearts

> function at 60% while sitting and will rise as we move around. Just

> thought I would share.

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> Chelle

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I'm Sorry Chelle, It must be such a worry to have o worry on this all the time. I will keep your Father and Brother in my Prayers.

{{{ Healing Hugs }}}

Helen

Greetings,When we almost lost my dad, his heart was only functioning at 18%. A few years ago, it went up to 25%. Now it is down to 16% and he is doing well for being in the condition he is in. Normally our hearts function at 60% while sitting and will rise as we move around. Just thought I would share.Chelle

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Chelle.....you & your family are in my prayers.....Please tell your dad that

he has outsiders praying for him......Take care...Love, Barb

My Father

Greetings,

When we almost lost my dad, his heart was only functioning at 18%. A

few years ago, it went up to 25%. Now it is down to 16% and he is

doing well for being in the condition he is in. Normally our hearts

function at 60% while sitting and will rise as we move around. Just

thought I would share.

Chelle

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Chelle,

Please send my regards to your dad, and tell him to stay strong...

Will be keeping you and your family in my thoughts,

Ling

My Father

Greetings,

When we almost lost my dad, his heart was only functioning at 18%. A

few years ago, it went up to 25%. Now it is down to 16% and he is

doing well for being in the condition he is in. Normally our hearts

function at 60% while sitting and will rise as we move around. Just

thought I would share.

Chelle

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Dear Sharon,

I am so sorry about your Dad, sometimes I think I was lucky as my dad passed very quickly and had little or no pain. I do wish I had had a chance to say goodbye though.

My prayers are with you and your family.

all love,

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Sending you and your Dad prayers..

Hugs

Heidi

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-- My Father

My father ended his radiation treatments last Tuesday then had an Oncologist appointment in the afternoon. The Oncologist felt that due to Dad's weakness that Chemo wouldn't be an option because it would be to hard on him and that really it wouldn't prolong his life. The cancer has spread throughout his body and is now up to God when he is going to take him. The Doctor told us about 6 months but he isn't God. I hope and Pray that God doesn't let him suffer that is my family's worse fear that he will suffer. We had a meeting with Hospice tonight and they will be coming in. Right now though with Dad on Steroids he isn't feeling bad but he is being weaned off and I hope it won't be like before when he was on steroids then taken off that all he wants to do is lay around and sleep. There is no happy medium with him on steroids or not. So please everyone pray pray pray for my Dad.Thank youSharon

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I hope all goes well with him, and you too. My own father passed from cancer in 1995. he went for yr beyond what the Dr's told us. Suerealitytv50 <goodgolly7078@...> wrote: My father ended his radiation treatments last Tuesday then had an Oncologist appointment in the afternoon. The Oncologist felt that due to Dad's weakness that Chemo wouldn't be an option because it would be to hard on him and that really it wouldn't prolong his life. The cancer has spread

throughout his body and is now up to God when he is going to take him. The Doctor told us about 6 months but he isn't God. I hope and Pray that God doesn't let him suffer that is my family's worse fear that he will suffer. We had a meeting with Hospice tonight and they will be coming in. Right now though with Dad on Steroids he isn't feeling bad but he is being weaned off and I hope it won't be like before when he was on steroids then taken off that all he wants to do is lay around and sleep. There is no happy medium with him on steroids or not. So please everyone pray pray pray for my Dad.Thank youSharon For a REALLY HOT time check out http://www.peternoone.com and http://www.mikesmith1964.com

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My father had his 3rd chemo yesterday.

His white cells arent regenerating as they

want, so today he had to go in to get a

shot of Neulasta to see if it would help

regenerate the white cells in the bone marrow.

Girls, this crap is made of ...........crap ! !

Yes, and anti-freeze ! ! It is a mixture of

E-coli bacteria and anti-freeze.

Isnt this a bunch of shit?

Anyway, he feels crappy, wonder why........?

guess what they charge for it? a mere $4,000

from what I read in the forums this am.........

I read from 2 forums for awhile this am so I

could see what people were saying about

the crap and how it made them feel, and for

the most part, they said it makes them feel like

they were beat to a pulp by Mike Tyson.......

for about 4 days or so........Bless His heart !

Prayers needed for my sweet Dad ~

Thank you all !

Love DedeStart the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

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Oh Dede,

I'm so sorry to hear about this. I agree...it's crap! Your dad is

in my prayers!! Hang in there my dear!

Hugs,

Cherie

>

> My father had his 3rd chemo yesterday.

> His white cells arent regenerating as they

> want, so today he had to go in to get a

> shot of Neulasta to see if it would help

> regenerate the white cells in the bone marrow.

> Girls, this crap is made of ...........crap ! !

> Yes, and anti-freeze ! ! It is a mixture of

> E-coli bacteria and anti-freeze.

> Isnt this a bunch of shit?

> Anyway, he feels crappy, wonder why........?

> guess what they charge for it? a mere $4,000

> from what I read in the forums this am.........

> I read from 2 forums for awhile this am so I

> could see what people were saying about

> the crap and how it made them feel, and for

> the most part, they said it makes them feel like

> they were beat to a pulp by Mike Tyson.......

> for about 4 days or so........Bless His heart !

> Prayers needed for my sweet Dad ~

> Thank you all !

> Love Dede

>

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