Short course in Brain Surgery: Single payer system?

[Guest guest]

Please watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=H4u5x9XAsAs & eurl=http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php

And ask yourself if this is what you want?

Patty

[Guest guest]

Patty,I don't think anyone is talking about putting everyone into a single payer system . . . There are those who would try to scare others into thinking this is the case though.Hugs,Rogene Short course in Brain Surgery: Single payer system?

Please watch this video:

http://www.youtube. com:80/watch? v=H4u5x9XAsAs & eurl=http:// www.freemarketcu re.com/brainsurg ery.php

And ask yourself if this is what you want?

Patty

[Guest guest]

Yep, can't imagine insurance companies want to give up any $$, they

will fight any program that cuts into their profits. They are as bad

as big pharma and the corrupt FDA.

Lynda

At 10:51 PM 3/23/2008, you wrote:

>Patty,

>

>I don't think anyone is talking about putting everyone into a single

>payer system . . . There are those who would try to scare others

>into thinking this is the case though.

>

>Hugs,

>

>Rogene

>

>

>

> Short course in Brain Surgery: Single payer system?

>

>Please watch this video:

>

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om/brainsurgery.php>http://www.youtube.

>com:80/watch? v=H4u5x9XAsAs & eurl=http:// www.freemarketcu

>re.com/brainsurg ery.php

>

>And ask yourself if this is what you want?

>

>Patty

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dearest Rogene,

I honestly don't know what anyone is talking about regarding a

national health care system, but my concern is that a single payer

system may ultimately be what we get. My insurance agent told me it

was not a matter of IF, but WHEN, based on his experience in the

industry. I do not have confidence in the government systems in

place now to do what is right by the American people. Just look at

the FDA, only ONE example of our incapable government's oversight

capabilities. Do we really want more of that? If so, Why?

So many well-intentioned people have a naive view of government,

almost like Uncle Sam is really a kind old Wizard of Oz, who is just

out of sight behind a curtain, and he is that is going to make

everything right if we just tell him what we want. Or that the

government has so much money that all we have to do is tell them how

to spend it and everything will work out right. Unfortunately, it is

a little different in real life, and things never go as planned. The

government doesn't do things for the American people. The government

does things according to the power struggles at play and politics and

how to enrich the economy whether people get harmed or not.

Honestly, I'm not exactly sure why people really think that a

national health care system is going to take care of everyone, except

that they are hoping for a short term answer to their immediate

problems? How will the medical field be able to handle the influx of

new patients? They can't handle the load right now. It is hard to

get in to see a doctor or specialist now...what will it be like

then? Will there be more incentives for adults to enter the field of

medical care? Costs are so high, both for care and to even BECOME a

doctor. The costs need to come down....if health care was made

affordable, then everyone could utilize it. How can a government

make our current bad situation any better when their track record is

already horrific? All we have to do is look at the Veterans' health

care to see what we are in for. No thanks! Care is so bad...is that

what we want, really?

I don't think scare tactics are involved here. If we look at what

our government has done in the past, and what other governments have

done before us, we can see. We can look at what happened in Canada.

It's a reality there. The only place that I've heard of where

socialize medicine may be any good at all is in the rich Arab

countries where they have so much money that they can pay for

everything for everyone. We don't have that here and never will.

NEVER. NEVER. NEVER. We may be rich, but we aren't that rich.

My daughter-in-law is from Korea, and she is appalled at how the

medical system works here. She said everything is so horribly

expensive. In Korea, the costs are much more affordable. IT CAN BE

DONE. Why don't we look at the plans used in other countries where

health care is friendly, effective, affordable?

I don't have all the answers, but I am quite certain that I don't

what was shown in that video.

Patty

>

> Patty,

>

> I don't think anyone is talking about putting everyone into a

single payer system . . . There are those who would try to scare

others into thinking this is the case though.

>

> Hugs,

>

> Rogene

>

>

>

> Short course in Brain Surgery: Single

payer system?

>

>

> Please watch this video:

> http://www.youtube. com:80/watch? v=H4u5x9XAsAs & eurl=http://

www.freemarketcu re.com/brainsurg ery.php

> And ask yourself if this is what you want?

> Patty

>

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[Guest guest]

Patty,One of the problems we're dealing with today is the fact that they restricted the number of students in medical training some years ago when they should have been expanding them. When we were in the Baltic states, I quizzed every tour guide about their medical and educational system. Nobody had anything other than minor complaints. They were very proud of the fact that everyone had a right to have quality health care as well as an education. Right now, anyone in the world can attend the university in Sweden and become a doctor - at no cost! Doctors in the Baltic States don't have to mortgage their futures to get an education . . . Of course, they don't make the kind of salaries they do here

either. The profession isn't nearly as deified as it is here.We have rationed medical care here right now. . . It's available to the very rich, those who are fortunate enough to be able to afford insurance, to a limited extent, the poor, and to seniors through Medicare with a supplement. However, the crazy way it's going, many people are shut out completely. If they should become ill, they risk losing everything. You're right, we simply don't have enough medical facilities to treat everyone, should they be able to get care. Not by any means! Things are crazy now. . . I watched a symposium on health care on CSpan the other day. . . They were talking about all the things that must be done to handle the oncoming crisis by 2030. . . Wellness was emphasized over and over . . . Some companies are successfully putting heavy emphasis on health so they can reduce their insurance costs. They see what it takes. . . But there was no mention about

the effects of junk food on society . . . or mention of the effects of toxins, antibiotics or hormones in our foods . . . or polluted air and water. Just on how to improve the health care delivery system. They acknowledge that a large percentage (about 30%) of medical treatments have NO proved track record. Why the feds aren't stepping up to the plate and telling the food industry to either make food nutritious, or get it off the shelf, I can only imagine. $$$$$$$$$$$$Obama said that, if he were to design a health care system from scratch, he would design a single-payer system. However he said, that's not reality. We have to work with what we have and make it better. We have to find a way to contain costs so medical care/insurance becomes affordable. If he becomes president, he's going to be ruffling a lot of feathers in the medical care and insurance industries.Speaking for myself, since I've been on Medicare, I've never had

better treatment. I can go to any doctor, without a referral. They get paid a fraction of what's billed, but as M.D. told me the other day, I've got the best insurance out there. It's the people WITHOUT insurance, but with assets, that get soaked. Of course, Medicare isn't going to be able to handle the burgeoning number of seniors in the pipeline. They must find a way to contain costs AND help people stay healthy.One example is Proton Beam radiation therapy . . . a full round of treatment costs between $140,000, and $175,000. How many people can afford that? I don't know what portion Medicare/supplement pay, but I know that it's going to be less than half that. Hugs,Rogene

[Guest guest]

Who restricted the number of students in medical training?

Anyone who knew anything about statistics knew about the " Pig in the

python " , and the fact that more doctors would be needed as the baby

boomers hit retirement. If that is true that the numbers of students

in medical training were restricted, then this country and those who

run it are dumber than I thought.

We not only need more doctors, we need more doctors who are trained

in naturopathic medicine, who use effective means of healing people

naturally, (not with tons of drugs). We need lowered costs for

educating them all, lowered costs for patient care, lowered costs of

doing business, lowered costs ALL across the board, not to mention

coverage for naturopathic and homeopathic medicine in major medical

insurance plans.

We'll see what they do with it in the end....

I'm not holding my breath.

Patty

>

> Patty,

>

> One of the problems we're dealing with today is the fact that they

restricted the number of students in medical training some years ago

when they should have been expanding them.

>

> When we were in the Baltic states, I quizzed every tour guide about

their medical and educational system. Nobody had anything other than

minor complaints. They were very proud of the fact that everyone had

a right to have quality health care as well as an education. Right

now, anyone in the world can attend the university in Sweden and

become a doctor - at no cost! Doctors in the Baltic States don't

have to mortgage their futures to get an education . . . Of course,

they don't make the kind of salaries they do here either. The

profession isn't nearly as deified as it is here.

>

> We have rationed medical care here right now. . . It's available to

the very rich, those who are fortunate enough to be able to afford

insurance, to a limited extent, the poor, and to seniors through

Medicare with a supplement. However, the crazy way it's going, many

people are shut out completely. If they should become ill, they risk

losing everything. You're right, we simply don't have enough medical

facilities to treat everyone, should they be able to get care. Not by

any means!

>

> Things are crazy now. . . I watched a symposium on health care on

CSpan the other day. . . They were talking about all the things that

must be done to handle the oncoming crisis by 2030. . . Wellness was

emphasized over and over . . . Some companies are successfully

putting heavy emphasis on health so they can reduce their insurance

costs. They see what it takes. . . But there was no mention about the

effects of junk food on society . . . or mention of the effects of

toxins, antibiotics or hormones in our foods . . . or polluted air

and water. Just on how to improve the health care delivery system.

They acknowledge that a large percentage (about 30%) of medical

treatments have NO proved track record.

>

> Why the feds aren't stepping up to the plate and telling the food

industry to either make food nutritious, or get it off the shelf, I

can only imagine. $$$$$$$$$$$$

>

> Obama said that, if he were to design a health care system from

scratch, he would design a single-payer system. However he said,

that's not reality. We have to work with what we have and make it

better. We have to find a way to contain costs so medical

care/insurance becomes affordable. If he becomes president, he's

going to be ruffling a lot of feathers in the medical care and

insurance industries.

>

> Speaking for myself, since I've been on Medicare, I've never had

better treatment. I can go to any doctor, without a referral. They

get paid a fraction of what's billed, but as M.D. told me

the other day, I've got the best insurance out there. It's the people

WITHOUT insurance, but with assets, that get soaked. Of course,

Medicare isn't going to be able to handle the burgeoning number of

seniors in the pipeline. They must find a way to contain costs AND

help people stay healthy.

>

> One example is Proton Beam radiation therapy . . . a full round of

treatment costs between $140,000, and $175,000. How many people can

afford that? I don't know what portion Medicare/supplement pay, but I

know that it's going to be less than half that.

>

> Hugs,

>

> Rogene

>

[Guest guest]

Patty,I have no idea who the gate keeper is . . . I suspect it's the A.M.A. . . . I don't know if the gates have been opened up more recently. I hear they are offering educational incentives for those who would serve in difficult areas for a period of time. Still, unless someone comes from a wealthy family, they're more likely to end up deeply in debt by the time they earn their degree. . . Then, they are soaked by the insurance companies for liability. . . even doctors who have spotless records - in states where tort reform has all but immunized doctors against liability.I agree we need more doctors! . . . trained across all fields. I don't think we'll see any radical difference until the system is so

broke, they will be do anything to cut costs to get people well!There are some exciting things coming along in gene research . . . This could take some of the pressure off the system. . . But only if research is funded sufficiently. . . The symposium suggested challenging the best minds to come up with a cure for this, that, or the other by giving them extraordinary awards . . That didn't seem to go too far. The way medicine is now, it usually takes a team and huge resources . . not just a brilliant mind like that of a Noble prize winner. Face it, this country is all about greed. . . As someone said the other day, we do not have Democracy, we have Corporatracy. (Government of, by and for corporations)Hugs,Rogene