Re: Hillary's healthcare plan................scare me.....

[Guest guest]

I have to say, I am glad to hear this

is false ! !

Wonder why they wrote this,.........

just more slamming people.........

I dont like that either.

DedeWho's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music.

[Guest guest]

Me too Dede!

>

> _http://www.naturalnews.com/022612.html_

> (http://www.naturalnews.com/022612.html)

>

> Hillary Clinton's Universal Health Care Plan: Buy Health Insurance

or Else!

> (NaturalNews) As candidates for U.S. President continue to battle

for their

> respective parties' nominations, details are beginning to emerge

about their

> (disastrous) health care plans. The New York Times is now

reporting that

> Hillary Clinton's universal health care plan will be accomplished

through

> " enforcement measures " that may include garnishing the wages of

people who choose

> not to buy health insurance. What this comes down to, of course,

is yet another

> form of medical tyranny where citizens are forced by threat of

financial

> penalty to participate in conventional medicine's _health

insurance_

> (http://www.naturalnews.com/health_insurance.html) scheme that

pushes drugs, surgeries,

> chemotherapy and other harmful treatments while disallowing

converage of

> naturopathic health therapies that really work (like nutritional

therapy).

>

> Hillary Clinton's _universal health care_

> (http://www.naturalnews.com/universal_health_care.html) plan,

then, is nothing more than a system for

> threatening all Americans to buy health insurance, and then

financially punishing them

> if they don't. For people like myself who choose not to

participate in

> America's drugs-and-surgery _health care_

> (http://www.naturalnews.com/health_care.html) scam, Clinton's

proposal would equate to yet another form of

> government-inspired financial _tyranny_

(http://www.naturalnews.com/tyranny.html) that

> further erodes personal freedoms in a country that claims to

be " free. "

>

> Clinton claims that people who choose to not buy health insurance

are a

> " burden " on those who do, as if our opting out of that whole

system of sickness

> and disease is somehow costing the nation extra money. It isn't,

of course:

> People who choose to prevent disease and stay healthy while

refusing to buy

> health insurance are actually saving money for the nation and, in

fact, adding

> productivity to our _economy_

(http://www.naturalnews.com/economy.html) . It's

> the sick people who eat junk foods and take _pharmaceuticals_

> (http://www.naturalnews.com/pharmaceuticals.html) that are the

real financial burdens on

> society, and those are precisely the people who typically stay

enrolled in the

> drugs-and-surgery system of health insurance.

>

> With Clinton at the helm, the government will now exercise yet

more control

> over your paycheck, stealing yet more of your money by

confiscating a portion

> of your wages and turning them over to corrupt health insurance

companies

> that do absolutely nothing to encourage real health.

>

> It would be yet another government scam to further enrich the

_corporations_

> (http://www.naturalnews.com/corporations.html) that make money by

keeping

> people sick and diseased, and under a Clinton regime, the

enforcement of this

> ridiculous measure would push the _United States_

> (http://www.naturalnews.com/United_States.html) of America ever

closer to a nation of pharmaceutical

> enslavement where virtually all options for alternative medicine

are eliminated.

> Consumers must be required to participate in conventional

(pharmaceutical)

> medicine, didn't you know? And the government, of course, knows

what's best

> for your health.

>

> The Clinton-led invasion of your paycheck

> If this wasn't a serious plan put forth by Hillary Clinton, the

whole thing

> would be laughable. It won't be so funny, however, if Clinton

becomes

> President and starts dictating such policies to the _American

people_

> (http://www.naturalnews.com/American_people.html) . If you thought

W. Bush was

> insane with his invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, just wait until

Hillary Clinton

> starts invading your personal lives and weekly paycheck. By the

time you pay

> off the IRS, the mandatory health insurance scam, your home

mortgage and

> local property taxes, you have just enough left to pay for

prescription

> medications and _junk food_

(http://www.naturalnews.com/junk_food.html) . And that, of

> course, is right where the folks in charge want you: Broke,

diseased and

> powerless.

>

> Clinton believes that the best way for society to solve problems

is to force

> the people to follow government policy, and take away their

paychecks if

> they don't. It's a form of financial tyranny, and the fact that

she's announcing

> all this even before winning the election indicates just how

little respect

> Clinton has for individual liberty and real _freedom_

> (http://www.naturalnews.com/freedom.html) .

>

> Fortunatately, Obama is giving Clinton some stiff competition on

the

> Democratic side, and if we're lucky, we won't have to face the

possibility of seeing

> Clinton elected. I'll take Obama over Clinton any day. And yet,

the only

> real choice for people who desire genuine freedom is, of course,

_Ron _

> (http://www.naturalnews.com/Ron_.html) . As President,

would get the

> government out of our lives (and our paychecks), returning freedom

and

> responsibility to the American people. This fact -- that people

might actually have to

> think for themselves -- scares the bejeezus out of at least half

the U.S.

> population, and that's why they're continuing to blindly support

status quo

> candidates who openly stand for more war (McCain and Huckabee) or

more Big

> Brother enslavement (Clinton).

>

> In terms of health care, the NaturalNews ranking of candidates to

support,

> is:

>

> 1. Ron : A champion of _health freedom_

> (http://www.naturalnews.com/health_freedom.html) . Would curtail

FDA powers and restore health freedom to

> _America_ (http://www.naturalnews.com/America.html) .

>

> 2. Dennis Kucinich: No longer a serious candidate, but he's a

vegan, and he

> believes in preventive medicine and protecting the environment.

>

> 3. Barack Obama: Believes in universal health care coverage, and

he's an

> outsider who doesn't have as many dirty corporate ties that keep

the Clinton

> machine running. Obama supports animal rights (he says), and might

be willing to

> rock the health care boat if elected president. Obama holds

promise, but

> we'll have to wait and see whether he's willing to stand up to

_Big Pharma_

> (http://www.naturalnews.com/Big_Pharma.html) .

>

> Beyond these three candidates, there is nobody else that has a

position on

> health care that NaturalNews can support. Even Obama's health care

plan

> remains to be seen -- it might end up being just as bad as

Clinton's. If there's

> one thing we've all learned about _politicians_

> (http://www.naturalnews.com/politicians.html) , it's that they will

say anything to get elected. Just because

> they promise something doesn't mean they'll pursue it once they

get into

> office.

>

> The truth about health care that politicians won't dare admit

> Want to know the real truth about health care in this nation? I

tell it like

> it is:

>

> 1. Health care spending will bankrupt this nation. 84% of the U.S.

> government's budget is now spent on three things: Disease, debt and

war. The national

> debt is now over $9 trillion (_see clock_

> (http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/) ). The U.S. dollar is losing

value. This nation will not survive its own

> crushing debt. Expect _hyperinflation_

> (http://www.naturalnews.com/hyperinflation.html) of an

increasingly-worthless currency.

>

> 2. No elected president will propose a health care system that

actually

> makes people healthy. (The disease corporations wouldn't stand for

it.) There is

> simply no profit to be found in teaching the public how to avoid

disease.

> Eliminating disease and the sick care industry would put millions

out of work

> and implode _the economy_

(http://www.naturalnews.com/the_economy.html) .

>

> 3. All this talk about " who pays " for health care is a joke.

Unless you

> start talking about ways to keep people healthy and ban the

advertising of

> pharmaceuticals, _junk foods_

(http://www.naturalnews.com/junk_foods.html) and

> sodas, we will remain stuck in a system of disease management

where nobody wins!

>

> 4. The Fall of Western Medicine is fast approaching. When the

United States

> collapses under a worthless dollar and a desperate hyperinflation

bailout

> attempt, much of what the U.S. espouses will also be shunned by

nations around

> the world, including its deadly system of pharmaceutical-based

medicine. The

> collapse of the U.S. money supply will inevitably result in the

collapse of

> Big Pharma's profitability, since it is nothing more than debt

spending (at all

> levels: Personal, municipal and nation) that currently supports

Big Pharma's

> monopoly prices for pharmaceuticals.

>

> Haven't heard these statements from mainstream politicians? Of

course you

> haven't. Expecting popular politicians to tell the truth is like

expecting pigs

> to fly. Only Ron dares to talk about reality, and for his

efforts he's

> been marginalized by the MSM.

>

> Let's face it: The American voters love to be lied to. In fact,

they can't

> accept a President that tells them the truth. What they really

want, when it

> comes down to it, is four more years of lies: The economy is

great, your

> future is secure, we're winning the War on Terror, the War on

Drugs, the War on

> Cancer and every other lie you can imagine. Oh yes, and don't

forget: Deposit

> your life savings in dollars, please, and don't question anything

we tell you,

> or we'll label you a terrorist and have you arrested.

>

> Of course, despite all this talk about Clinton's disastrous health

insurance

> proposal, let me be clear that electing a Republican for President

will

> likely only continue Big Pharma's powerful influence over

Washington. The drug

> companies have been very, very cozy with the Bush Administration,

and there is

> a fundamental lack of understanding about _nutrition_

> (http://www.naturalnews.com/nutrition.html) , Mother Nature and

natural medicine in the Republican

> party. So in terms of health care, I don't support any of the

Republican

> candidates either (other than Ron , due to his " freedom "

platform and the fact

> that he's really a Libertarian).

>

> The way this election is shaping up right now, it looks like we're

going to

> be given a choice between bad and worse. Sound familiar?

>

>

>

>

>

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> 48)

>

[Guest guest]

Did you check this on Snopes. There is very little truth in this.

Lynda

At 09:03 PM 2/9/2008, you wrote:

><http://www.naturalnews.com/022612.html>http://www.naturalnews.com/022612.html

>

>

>Hillary Clinton's Universal Health Care Plan: Buy Health Insurance or Else!

>

>

>

>(NaturalNews) As candidates for U.S. President continue to battle

>for their respective parties' nominations, details are beginning to

>emerge about their (disastrous) health care plans. The New York

>Times is now reporting that Hillary Clinton's universal health care

>plan will be accomplished through " enforcement measures " that may

>include garnishing the wages of people who choose not to buy health

>insurance. What this comes down to, of course, is yet another form

>of medical tyranny where citizens are forced by threat of financial

>penalty to participate in conventional medicine's

><http://www.naturalnews.com/health_insurance.html>health insurance

>scheme that pushes drugs, surgeries, chemotherapy and other harmful

>treatments while disallowing converage of naturopathic health

>therapies that really work (like nutritional therapy).

>

>Hillary Clinton's

><http://www.naturalnews.com/universal_health_care.html>universal

>health care plan, then, is nothing more than a system for

>threatening all Americans to buy health insurance, and then

>financially punishing them if they don't. For people like myself who

>choose not to participate in America's drugs-and-surgery

><http://www.naturalnews.com/health_care.html>health care scam,

>Clinton's proposal would equate to yet another form of

>government-inspired financial

><http://www.naturalnews.com/tyranny.html>tyranny that further erodes

>personal freedoms in a country that claims to be " free. "

>

>Clinton claims that people who choose to not buy health insurance

>are a " burden " on those who do, as if our opting out of that whole

>system of sickness and disease is somehow costing the nation extra

>money. It isn't, of course: People who choose to prevent disease and

>stay healthy while refusing to buy health insurance are actually

>saving money for the nation and, in fact, adding productivity to our

><http://www.naturalnews.com/economy.html>economy. It's the sick

>people who eat junk foods and take

><http://www.naturalnews.com/pharmaceuticals.html>pharmaceuticals

>that are the real financial burdens on society, and those are

>precisely the people who typically stay enrolled in the

>drugs-and-surgery system of health insurance.

>

>With Clinton at the helm, the government will now exercise yet more

>control over your paycheck, stealing yet more of your money by

>confiscating a portion of your wages and turning them over to

>corrupt health insurance companies that do absolutely nothing to

>encourage real health.

>

>It would be yet another government scam to further enrich the

><http://www.naturalnews.com/corporations.html>corporations that make

>money by keeping people sick and diseased, and under a Clinton

>regime, the enforcement of this ridiculous measure would push the

><http://www.naturalnews.com/United_States.html>United States of

>America ever closer to a nation of pharmaceutical enslavement where

>virtually all options for alternative medicine are eliminated.

>Consumers must be required to participate in conventional

>(pharmaceutical) medicine, didn't you know? And the government, of

>course, knows what's best for your health.

>

>

>

>The Clinton-led invasion of your paycheck

>

>

>

>If this wasn't a serious plan put forth by Hillary Clinton, the

>whole thing would be laughable. It won't be so funny, however, if

>Clinton becomes President and starts dictating such policies to the

><http://www.naturalnews.com/American_people.html>American people. If

>you thought W. Bush was insane with his invasions of

>Afghanistan and Iraq, just wait until Hillary Clinton starts

>invading your personal lives and weekly paycheck. By the time you

>pay off the IRS, the mandatory health insurance scam, your home

>mortgage and local property taxes, you have just enough left to pay

>for prescription medications and

><http://www.naturalnews.com/junk_food.html>junk food. And that, of

>course, is right where the folks in charge want you: Broke, diseased

>and powerless.

>

>Clinton believes that the best way for society to solve problems is

>to force the people to follow government policy, and take away their

>paychecks if they don't. It's a form of financial tyranny, and the

>fact that she's announcing all this even before winning the election

>indicates just how little respect Clinton has for individual liberty

>and real <http://www.naturalnews.com/freedom.html>freedom.

>

>Fortunatately, Obama is giving Clinton some stiff competition on the

>Democratic side, and if we're lucky, we won't have to face the

>possibility of seeing Clinton elected. I'll take Obama over Clinton

>any day. And yet, the only real choice for people who desire genuine

>freedom is, of course, <http://www.naturalnews.com/Ron_.html>Ron

>. As President, would get the government out of our lives

>(and our paychecks), returning freedom and responsibility to the

>American people. This fact -- that people might actually have to

>think for themselves -- scares the bejeezus out of at least half the

>U.S. population, and that's why they're continuing to blindly

>support status quo candidates who openly stand for more war (McCain

>and Huckabee) or more Big Brother enslavement (Clinton).

>

>In terms of health care, the NaturalNews ranking of candidates to support, is:

>

>1. Ron : A champion of

><http://www.naturalnews.com/health_freedom.html>health freedom.

>Would curtail FDA powers and restore health freedom to

><http://www.naturalnews.com/America.html>America.

>

>2. Dennis Kucinich: No longer a serious candidate, but he's a vegan,

>and he believes in preventive medicine and protecting the environment.

>

>3. Barack Obama: Believes in universal health care coverage, and

>he's an outsider who doesn't have as many dirty corporate ties that

>keep the Clinton machine running. Obama supports animal rights (he

>says), and might be willing to rock the health care boat if elected

>president. Obama holds promise, but we'll have to wait and see

>whether he's willing to stand up to

><http://www.naturalnews.com/Big_Pharma.html>Big Pharma.

>

>Beyond these three candidates, there is nobody else that has a

>position on health care that NaturalNews can support. Even Obama's

>health care plan remains to be seen -- it might end up being just as

>bad as Clinton's. If there's one thing we've all learned about

><http://www.naturalnews.com/politicians.html>politicians, it's that

>they will say anything to get elected. Just because they promise

>something doesn't mean they'll pursue it once they get into office.

>

>

>

>The truth about health care that politicians won't dare admit

>

>

>

>Want to know the real truth about health care in this nation? I tell

>it like it is:

>

>1. Health care spending will bankrupt this nation. 84% of the U.S.

>government's budget is now spent on three things: Disease, debt and

>war. The national debt is now over $9 trillion

>(<http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/>see clock). The U.S. dollar is

>losing value. This nation will not survive its own crushing debt.

>Expect

><http://www.naturalnews.com/hyperinflation.html>hyperinflation of an

>increasingly-worthless currency.

>

>2. No elected president will propose a health care system that

>actually makes people healthy. (The disease corporations wouldn't

>stand for it.) There is simply no profit to be found in teaching the

>public how to avoid disease. Eliminating disease and the sick care

>industry would put millions out of work and implode

><http://www.naturalnews.com/the_economy.html>the economy.

>

>3. All this talk about " who pays " for health care is a joke. Unless

>you start talking about ways to keep people healthy and ban the

>advertising of pharmaceuticals,

><http://www.naturalnews.com/junk_foods.html>junk foods and sodas, we

>will remain stuck in a system of disease management where nobody wins!

>

>4. The Fall of Western Medicine is fast approaching. When the United

>States collapses under a worthless dollar and a desperate

>hyperinflation bailout attempt, much of what the U.S. espouses will

>also be shunned by nations around the world, including its deadly

>system of pharmaceutical-based medicine. The collapse of the U.S.

>money supply will inevitably result in the collapse of Big Pharma's

>profitability, since it is nothing more than debt spending (at all

>levels: Personal, municipal and nation) that currently supports Big

>Pharma's monopoly prices for pharmaceuticals.

>

>Haven't heard these statements from mainstream politicians? Of

>course you haven't. Expecting popular politicians to tell the truth

>is like expecting pigs to fly. Only Ron dares to talk about

>reality, and for his efforts he's been marginalized by the MSM.

>

>Let's face it: The American voters love to be lied to. In fact, they

>can't accept a President that tells them the truth. What they really

>want, when it comes down to it, is four more years of lies: The

>economy is great, your future is secure, we're winning the War on

>Terror, the War on Drugs, the War on Cancer and every other lie you

>can imagine. Oh yes, and don't forget: Deposit your life savings in

>dollars, please, and don't question anything we tell you, or we'll

>label you a terrorist and have you arrested.

>

>Of course, despite all this talk about Clinton's disastrous health

>insurance proposal, let me be clear that electing a Republican for

>President will likely only continue Big Pharma's powerful influence

>over Washington. The drug companies have been very, very cozy with

>the Bush Administration, and there is a fundamental lack of

>understanding about

><http://www.naturalnews.com/nutrition.html>nutrition, Mother Nature

>and natural medicine in the Republican party. So in terms of health

>care, I don't support any of the Republican candidates either (other

>than Ron , due to his " freedom " platform and the fact that he's

>really a Libertarian).

>

>The way this election is shaping up right now, it looks like we're

>going to be given a choice between bad and worse. Sound familiar?

>

>

>

>

>----------

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2548>Biggest

>Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music.

>

[Guest guest]

There are going to be all kinds of ugly stories spread . . . Not necessarily with the knowledge of the candidates (But that happens too) . . .

Let's put it this way . . . The bad guys organize to do this stuff . . . The good ones wouldn't consider it!

At least, with Snopes, one can get the straight story.

When McCain ran last time, one of the things the put out at the last minute was that he had fathered an illegitimate black child. WRONG!. . He had no time to get the facts out before the election. There are those who believe it cost him the election.

There's a ugly one going around about Obama being a Muslim . . . WRONG . . . Any more that the story they put out about Kerry's experience in Nam . . . I talk to two of the real guys. They loved him. He didn't send the guys into danger . . . He lead them.

These stories target prejudices and fear . . . and are believed by the ignorant.

Rogene

[Guest guest]

The medical plan you send out attributed to Hillary was totally false..

National Health Care does cost, but what is the cost of uninsured people?

Lynda

At 09:17 PM 2/9/2008, you wrote:

> From Snopes:

>

><http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/canada.asp>http://www.snopes.com/politi\

cs/medical/canada.asp

>

>I don't care for Hillary . . . but I care even less for

>misinformation about any candidate.

>

>Rogene

>

>

[Guest guest]

People slamming people in politics, seems to be the American way these days.

Stuff about Obama going around has mainly been false.

I would bet that stuff about McCain and other that goes around lacks

a lot of truth also.

Lynda

At 10:02 PM 2/9/2008, you wrote:

>I have to say, I am glad to hear this

>is false ! !

>Wonder why they wrote this,.........

>just more slamming people.........

>I dont like that either.

>Dede

>

>

>

>

>----------

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2548>Biggest

>Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music.

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, better not to send around these stories prior to checking

Snopes. Most are false.

Lynda

At 10:14 PM 2/9/2008, you wrote:

>There are going to be all kinds of ugly stories spread . . . Not

>necessarily with the knowledge of the candidates (But that happens too) . . .

>

>Let's put it this way . . . The bad guys organize to do this stuff .

>. . The good ones wouldn't consider it!

>

>At least, with Snopes, one can get the straight story.

>

>When McCain ran last time, one of the things the put out at the last

>minute was that he had fathered an illegitimate black child. WRONG!.

>. He had no time to get the facts out before the election. There are

>those who believe it cost him the election.

>

>There's a ugly one going around about Obama being a Muslim . . .

>WRONG . . . Any more that the story they put out about Kerry's

>experience in Nam . . . I talk to two of the real guys. They loved

>him. He didn't send the guys into danger . . . He lead them.

>

>These stories target prejudices and fear . . . and are believed by

>the ignorant.

>

>Rogene

>