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Wow, thank you Gillian for writing. I have so much to learn, but I am also hopeful...

Thanks again...

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To: IntuitiveEating_Support From: gillian@...Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 12:46:51 -0800Subject: Legalizing food and overeating (Long)

Hi Everyone,

It seems that this is one of the main issues coming up over the last few days, so I thought I would try to address it and see if I can be of help. I can tell you that this is a very normal concern, almost all my clients have it when they start out, and I certainly did as well. It seems so wrong to eat whatever we want because we've been subjected to rules that say we can't and if we do we are bad. And of course the food police are always telling us we have to eat "clean" or "healthy" because we'll have all kinds of diseases and all that stuff you hear all the time.

To clarify, IE does not say you can eat whatever you want, whenever you want. Many people take it that way and get very scared about gaining weight and losing control. Keep in mind, however, that IE also doesn't say you must ONLY eat when you are hungry and you must ALWAYS stop when satisfied. This is what I call the Intuitive Eating Diet. I say that sarcastically because there is no such thing. But when you put rules on it and use words like only or always, it's a diet. That is black and white thinking.

It is very important to work on making all foods permissible. At this stage, setting up restrictions, even those that are made in the name of healthy eating, is counter-productive. It is true that some people gain weight when they begin this process. My experience is that it's not a lot of weight, but I know even a little feels bad. I have heard the very rare stories of someone gaining a lot of weight during the giving permission stage, but I can tell you that there was something going on that wasn't in line with IE.

I just finished my latest class with Tribole an hour ago and she said something that may be helpful. And the fact that she is talking about this just shows even more how normal your concerns are, you aren't alone in this. She said that many people think that if they eat something they've had trouble with over and over again, the goal is to become tired of that food, maybe not even want it anymore. What the purpose really is of giving yourself permission to eat anything is to make all foods neutral. It doesn't mean you won't want those chocolate chip cookies anymore, it just means that they won't have the same pull on you, calling your name, creating obsessive thoughts and anxiety when they are around. Making the cookies neutral, you still really like them, but you don't worry about them going away forever or feel guilty for eating them. The technical term for this is "habituation" if anyone is interested in knowing that. I love this stuff! :)

Now, about nutrition and health. We all know that some foods have more nutrition than others. Some have more calories than others. Some promote better health than others. And IE is not saying you should ignore this. The problem is we've been bombarded with health and nutrition information. You know what is healthy and what isn't. You know what foods may lead to heart disease or Type II diabetes. We've known this for a long time. But has it changed anything? Unfortunately, for the majority of people, this info doesn't help change our behavior. If it did, diets would work. I'm sure you know people that have had a heart attack and go right back to eating the way they always did. It's no different than the smoker who is in the hospital for a heart attack and has to sneak out of the hospital room to smoke. He knows the smoking is bad and threatening his life but he doesn't stop.

Of course smoking is somewhat different than overeating because there is a very strong chemical addiction. But there is a lot of psychological stuff going on as well. And if you don't deal with that, nothing changes.

Excess weight is a symptom of whatever is going on that is causing you to turn to food. Overeating is actually a way of taking care of yourself that you have learned. It's a coping mechanism. The weight, the excess food, the food choices, all are symptoms. Diets treat the symptom. IE deals with the cause. Figure out and deal with the cause and the symptoms go away. Because of dieting, one cause is usually deprivation and restriction. Giving yourself unconditional permission to eat all foods reverses deprivation. You must deal with the cause, not the symptoms.

It's a process and it's not easy, I know, having dealt with this since the age of 8. It took me time, but I made it through. And it's not just me, it's my clients as well. They find a way to the other side where they have a peaceful relationship with food. And you all should know that every single client of mine (and me too!) have all felt like they were the only one that IE isn't going to work for. They think it's great for other people, but it won't work for them. So I know many of you feel this way, but it's not true. You'll get through it. Let every binge or overeating episode be a learning experience. Everything else we learn comes from making mistakes.

Back to nutrition. If you have a serious health issue right now, it is important to work with a doctor, dietician, etc. for any special needs you have. But most people find that after they have made peace with food and it's all permissible, they aren't always eating those same foods that they were so concerned about. As you move through the IE process, you will be paying more attention to your body and what it needs. You'll have that connection and your body will be asking for certain foods. You'll be pleasantly surprised to find your body asking for fruits and vegetables, and other "healthy", nutritious foods that support health. And you also get to eat those other foods that may not be as nutritious but taste really good. But there will be a natural shift to where the supportive foods are more appealing more often and you will notice how good they make you feel physically.

I used to eat regardless of hunger, I didn't know what that was. My usual finishing point in a meal would be an 8 on the hunger scale (the scale I use, 8 is beyond full and the scale goes from 0 to 10). I would eat to a 9 or 10 when I was overeating or binging. 10 would send me to bed with a food coma. Much to my surprise and happiness, I can no longer eat to a 9 or 10. I just simply can't do it. I don't want to feel that way. If I overeat (yes, it does happen on occasion, no big deal), I may end up at an 8. What felt normal before, now feels awful. I don't like being at an 8, I want to stop when I'm satisfied (6-7 for me) because it feels good. This is possible for all of you and you'll be just as surprised when you get there. I promise!

I didn't intend for this to be so long. I guess I have a good start to that book I'll write some day. I do hope this is helpful, I've been at this for a long time. I began my own IE journey in 1999 and have been coaching on it for many years so I've seen what is possible and I know it in my heart. You are all here because you are ready to be here and whatever you are dealing with will help make you stronger. Take advantage of the learning experiences each challenge brings. Try to avoid beating yourself up and instead ask yourself what can you learn from this situation.

I'll write another post with some simple ideas and tips that may be helpful in getting through this early stage of IE.

Thanks!GillianGillian Hood-son, MS, ACSM

Get your report, "The 6 Steps to Guilt-Fr*e Eating" at http://www.HealthierOutcomes.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/gillianhood

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Gillian, thanks for much for this! I was definitely confused, and attempting to

eat forbidden foods until I no longer craved them or got bored. Unfortunately,

this wasn't happening, so I thought something was wrong! No I realize the goal

is simply to make them less " special " in my own mind, not necessarily

unappealing altogether.

This makes a huge difference!

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> It seems that this is one of the main issues coming up over the last few

> days, so I thought I would try to address it and see if I can be of help. I

> can tell you that this is a very normal concern, almost all my clients have

> it when they start out, and I certainly did as well. It seems so wrong to

> eat whatever we want because we've been subjected to rules that say we can't

> and if we do we are bad. And of course the food police are always telling us

> we have to eat " clean " or " healthy " because we'll have all kinds of diseases

> and all that stuff you hear all the time.

>

> To clarify, IE does not say you can eat whatever you want, whenever you

> want. Many people take it that way and get very scared about gaining weight

> and losing control. Keep in mind, however, that IE also doesn't say you must

> ONLY eat when you are hungry and you must ALWAYS stop when satisfied. This

> is what I call the Intuitive Eating Diet. I say that sarcastically because

> there is no such thing. But when you put rules on it and use words like only

> or always, it's a diet. That is black and white thinking.

>

> It is very important to work on making all foods permissible. At this stage,

> setting up restrictions, even those that are made in the name of healthy

> eating, is counter-productive. It is true that some people gain weight when

> they begin this process. My experience is that it's not a lot of weight, but

> I know even a little feels bad. I have heard the very rare stories of

> someone gaining a lot of weight during the giving permission stage, but I

> can tell you that there was something going on that wasn't in line with IE.

>

> I just finished my latest class with Tribole an hour ago and she said

> something that may be helpful. And the fact that she is talking about this

> just shows even more how normal your concerns are, you aren't alone in this.

> She said that many people think that if they eat something they've had

> trouble with over and over again, the goal is to become tired of that food,

> maybe not even want it anymore. What the purpose really is of giving

> yourself permission to eat anything is to make all foods neutral. It doesn't

> mean you won't want those chocolate chip cookies anymore, it just means that

> they won't have the same pull on you, calling your name, creating obsessive

> thoughts and anxiety when they are around. Making the cookies neutral, you

> still really like them, but you don't worry about them going away forever or

> feel guilty for eating them. The technical term for this is " habituation " if

> anyone is interested in knowing that. I love this stuff! :)

>

> Now, about nutrition and health. We all know that some foods have more

> nutrition than others. Some have more calories than others. Some promote

> better health than others. And IE is not saying you should ignore this. The

> problem is we've been bombarded with health and nutrition information. You

> know what is healthy and what isn't. You know what foods may lead to heart

> disease or Type II diabetes. We've known this for a long time. But has it

> changed anything? Unfortunately, for the majority of people, this info

> doesn't help change our behavior. If it did, diets would work. I'm sure you

> know people that have had a heart attack and go right back to eating the way

> they always did. It's no different than the smoker who is in the hospital

> for a heart attack and has to sneak out of the hospital room to smoke. He

> knows the smoking is bad and threatening his life but he doesn't stop.

>

> Of course smoking is somewhat different than overeating because there is a

> very strong chemical addiction. But there is a lot of psychological stuff

> going on as well. And if you don't deal with that, nothing changes.

>

> Excess weight is a symptom of whatever is going on that is causing you to

> turn to food. Overeating is actually a way of taking care of yourself that

> you have learned. It's a coping mechanism. The weight, the excess food, the

> food choices, all are symptoms. Diets treat the symptom. IE deals with the

> cause. Figure out and deal with the cause and the symptoms go away. Because

> of dieting, one cause is usually deprivation and restriction. Giving

> yourself unconditional permission to eat all foods reverses deprivation. You

> must deal with the cause, not the symptoms.

>

> It's a process and it's not easy, I know, having dealt with this since the

> age of 8. It took me time, but I made it through. And it's not just me, it's

> my clients as well. They find a way to the other side where they have a

> peaceful relationship with food. And you all should know that every single

> client of mine (and me too!) have all felt like they were the only one that

> IE isn't going to work for. They think it's great for other people, but it

> won't work for them. So I know many of you feel this way, but it's not true.

> You'll get through it. Let every binge or overeating episode be a learning

> experience. Everything else we learn comes from making mistakes.

>

> Back to nutrition. If you have a serious health issue right now, it is

> important to work with a doctor, dietician, etc. for any special needs you

> have. But most people find that after they have made peace with food and

> it's all permissible, they aren't always eating those same foods that they

> were so concerned about. As you move through the IE process, you will be

> paying more attention to your body and what it needs. You'll have that

> connection and your body will be asking for certain foods. You'll be

> pleasantly surprised to find your body asking for fruits and vegetables, and

> other " healthy " , nutritious foods that support health. And you also get to

> eat those other foods that may not be as nutritious but taste really good.

> But there will be a natural shift to where the supportive foods are more

> appealing more often and you will notice how good they make you feel

> physically.

>

> I used to eat regardless of hunger, I didn't know what that was. My usual

> finishing point in a meal would be an 8 on the hunger scale (the scale I

> use, 8 is beyond full and the scale goes from 0 to 10). I would eat to a 9

> or 10 when I was overeating or binging. 10 would send me to bed with a food

> coma. Much to my surprise and happiness, I can no longer eat to a 9 or 10. I

> just simply can't do it. I don't want to feel that way. If I overeat (yes,

> it does happen on occasion, no big deal), I may end up at an 8. What felt

> normal before, now feels awful. I don't like being at an 8, I want to stop

> when I'm satisfied (6-7 for me) because it feels good. This is possible for

> all of you and you'll be just as surprised when you get there. I promise!

>

> I didn't intend for this to be so long. I guess I have a good start to that

> book I'll write some day. I do hope this is helpful, I've been at this for a

> long time. I began my own IE journey in 1999 and have been coaching on it

> for many years so I've seen what is possible and I know it in my heart. You

> are all here because you are ready to be here and whatever you are dealing

> with will help make you stronger. Take advantage of the learning experiences

> each challenge brings. Try to avoid beating yourself up and instead ask

> yourself what can you learn from this situation.

>

> I'll write another post with some simple ideas and tips that may be helpful

> in getting through this early stage of IE.

>

>

> Thanks!

> Gillian

> Gillian Hood-son, MS, ACSM

>

> Get your report, " The 6 Steps to Guilt-Fr*e Eating " at

> http://www.HealthierOutcomes.com <http://www.healthieroutcomes.com/>

> Follow me on Twitter: <http://www.twitter.com/gillianhood>

> http://www.twitter.com/gillianhood

>

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Gillian, thanks for much for this! I was definitely confused, and attempting to

eat forbidden foods until I no longer craved them or got bored. Unfortunately,

this wasn't happening, so I thought something was wrong! No I realize the goal

is simply to make them less " special " in my own mind, not necessarily

unappealing altogether.

This makes a huge difference!

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> It seems that this is one of the main issues coming up over the last few

> days, so I thought I would try to address it and see if I can be of help. I

> can tell you that this is a very normal concern, almost all my clients have

> it when they start out, and I certainly did as well. It seems so wrong to

> eat whatever we want because we've been subjected to rules that say we can't

> and if we do we are bad. And of course the food police are always telling us

> we have to eat " clean " or " healthy " because we'll have all kinds of diseases

> and all that stuff you hear all the time.

>

> To clarify, IE does not say you can eat whatever you want, whenever you

> want. Many people take it that way and get very scared about gaining weight

> and losing control. Keep in mind, however, that IE also doesn't say you must

> ONLY eat when you are hungry and you must ALWAYS stop when satisfied. This

> is what I call the Intuitive Eating Diet. I say that sarcastically because

> there is no such thing. But when you put rules on it and use words like only

> or always, it's a diet. That is black and white thinking.

>

> It is very important to work on making all foods permissible. At this stage,

> setting up restrictions, even those that are made in the name of healthy

> eating, is counter-productive. It is true that some people gain weight when

> they begin this process. My experience is that it's not a lot of weight, but

> I know even a little feels bad. I have heard the very rare stories of

> someone gaining a lot of weight during the giving permission stage, but I

> can tell you that there was something going on that wasn't in line with IE.

>

> I just finished my latest class with Tribole an hour ago and she said

> something that may be helpful. And the fact that she is talking about this

> just shows even more how normal your concerns are, you aren't alone in this.

> She said that many people think that if they eat something they've had

> trouble with over and over again, the goal is to become tired of that food,

> maybe not even want it anymore. What the purpose really is of giving

> yourself permission to eat anything is to make all foods neutral. It doesn't

> mean you won't want those chocolate chip cookies anymore, it just means that

> they won't have the same pull on you, calling your name, creating obsessive

> thoughts and anxiety when they are around. Making the cookies neutral, you

> still really like them, but you don't worry about them going away forever or

> feel guilty for eating them. The technical term for this is " habituation " if

> anyone is interested in knowing that. I love this stuff! :)

>

> Now, about nutrition and health. We all know that some foods have more

> nutrition than others. Some have more calories than others. Some promote

> better health than others. And IE is not saying you should ignore this. The

> problem is we've been bombarded with health and nutrition information. You

> know what is healthy and what isn't. You know what foods may lead to heart

> disease or Type II diabetes. We've known this for a long time. But has it

> changed anything? Unfortunately, for the majority of people, this info

> doesn't help change our behavior. If it did, diets would work. I'm sure you

> know people that have had a heart attack and go right back to eating the way

> they always did. It's no different than the smoker who is in the hospital

> for a heart attack and has to sneak out of the hospital room to smoke. He

> knows the smoking is bad and threatening his life but he doesn't stop.

>

> Of course smoking is somewhat different than overeating because there is a

> very strong chemical addiction. But there is a lot of psychological stuff

> going on as well. And if you don't deal with that, nothing changes.

>

> Excess weight is a symptom of whatever is going on that is causing you to

> turn to food. Overeating is actually a way of taking care of yourself that

> you have learned. It's a coping mechanism. The weight, the excess food, the

> food choices, all are symptoms. Diets treat the symptom. IE deals with the

> cause. Figure out and deal with the cause and the symptoms go away. Because

> of dieting, one cause is usually deprivation and restriction. Giving

> yourself unconditional permission to eat all foods reverses deprivation. You

> must deal with the cause, not the symptoms.

>

> It's a process and it's not easy, I know, having dealt with this since the

> age of 8. It took me time, but I made it through. And it's not just me, it's

> my clients as well. They find a way to the other side where they have a

> peaceful relationship with food. And you all should know that every single

> client of mine (and me too!) have all felt like they were the only one that

> IE isn't going to work for. They think it's great for other people, but it

> won't work for them. So I know many of you feel this way, but it's not true.

> You'll get through it. Let every binge or overeating episode be a learning

> experience. Everything else we learn comes from making mistakes.

>

> Back to nutrition. If you have a serious health issue right now, it is

> important to work with a doctor, dietician, etc. for any special needs you

> have. But most people find that after they have made peace with food and

> it's all permissible, they aren't always eating those same foods that they

> were so concerned about. As you move through the IE process, you will be

> paying more attention to your body and what it needs. You'll have that

> connection and your body will be asking for certain foods. You'll be

> pleasantly surprised to find your body asking for fruits and vegetables, and

> other " healthy " , nutritious foods that support health. And you also get to

> eat those other foods that may not be as nutritious but taste really good.

> But there will be a natural shift to where the supportive foods are more

> appealing more often and you will notice how good they make you feel

> physically.

>

> I used to eat regardless of hunger, I didn't know what that was. My usual

> finishing point in a meal would be an 8 on the hunger scale (the scale I

> use, 8 is beyond full and the scale goes from 0 to 10). I would eat to a 9

> or 10 when I was overeating or binging. 10 would send me to bed with a food

> coma. Much to my surprise and happiness, I can no longer eat to a 9 or 10. I

> just simply can't do it. I don't want to feel that way. If I overeat (yes,

> it does happen on occasion, no big deal), I may end up at an 8. What felt

> normal before, now feels awful. I don't like being at an 8, I want to stop

> when I'm satisfied (6-7 for me) because it feels good. This is possible for

> all of you and you'll be just as surprised when you get there. I promise!

>

> I didn't intend for this to be so long. I guess I have a good start to that

> book I'll write some day. I do hope this is helpful, I've been at this for a

> long time. I began my own IE journey in 1999 and have been coaching on it

> for many years so I've seen what is possible and I know it in my heart. You

> are all here because you are ready to be here and whatever you are dealing

> with will help make you stronger. Take advantage of the learning experiences

> each challenge brings. Try to avoid beating yourself up and instead ask

> yourself what can you learn from this situation.

>

> I'll write another post with some simple ideas and tips that may be helpful

> in getting through this early stage of IE.

>

>

> Thanks!

> Gillian

> Gillian Hood-son, MS, ACSM

>

> Get your report, " The 6 Steps to Guilt-Fr*e Eating " at

> http://www.HealthierOutcomes.com <http://www.healthieroutcomes.com/>

> Follow me on Twitter: <http://www.twitter.com/gillianhood>

> http://www.twitter.com/gillianhood

>

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Gillian, thanks for much for this! I was definitely confused, and attempting to

eat forbidden foods until I no longer craved them or got bored. Unfortunately,

this wasn't happening, so I thought something was wrong! No I realize the goal

is simply to make them less " special " in my own mind, not necessarily

unappealing altogether.

This makes a huge difference!

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> It seems that this is one of the main issues coming up over the last few

> days, so I thought I would try to address it and see if I can be of help. I

> can tell you that this is a very normal concern, almost all my clients have

> it when they start out, and I certainly did as well. It seems so wrong to

> eat whatever we want because we've been subjected to rules that say we can't

> and if we do we are bad. And of course the food police are always telling us

> we have to eat " clean " or " healthy " because we'll have all kinds of diseases

> and all that stuff you hear all the time.

>

> To clarify, IE does not say you can eat whatever you want, whenever you

> want. Many people take it that way and get very scared about gaining weight

> and losing control. Keep in mind, however, that IE also doesn't say you must

> ONLY eat when you are hungry and you must ALWAYS stop when satisfied. This

> is what I call the Intuitive Eating Diet. I say that sarcastically because

> there is no such thing. But when you put rules on it and use words like only

> or always, it's a diet. That is black and white thinking.

>

> It is very important to work on making all foods permissible. At this stage,

> setting up restrictions, even those that are made in the name of healthy

> eating, is counter-productive. It is true that some people gain weight when

> they begin this process. My experience is that it's not a lot of weight, but

> I know even a little feels bad. I have heard the very rare stories of

> someone gaining a lot of weight during the giving permission stage, but I

> can tell you that there was something going on that wasn't in line with IE.

>

> I just finished my latest class with Tribole an hour ago and she said

> something that may be helpful. And the fact that she is talking about this

> just shows even more how normal your concerns are, you aren't alone in this.

> She said that many people think that if they eat something they've had

> trouble with over and over again, the goal is to become tired of that food,

> maybe not even want it anymore. What the purpose really is of giving

> yourself permission to eat anything is to make all foods neutral. It doesn't

> mean you won't want those chocolate chip cookies anymore, it just means that

> they won't have the same pull on you, calling your name, creating obsessive

> thoughts and anxiety when they are around. Making the cookies neutral, you

> still really like them, but you don't worry about them going away forever or

> feel guilty for eating them. The technical term for this is " habituation " if

> anyone is interested in knowing that. I love this stuff! :)

>

> Now, about nutrition and health. We all know that some foods have more

> nutrition than others. Some have more calories than others. Some promote

> better health than others. And IE is not saying you should ignore this. The

> problem is we've been bombarded with health and nutrition information. You

> know what is healthy and what isn't. You know what foods may lead to heart

> disease or Type II diabetes. We've known this for a long time. But has it

> changed anything? Unfortunately, for the majority of people, this info

> doesn't help change our behavior. If it did, diets would work. I'm sure you

> know people that have had a heart attack and go right back to eating the way

> they always did. It's no different than the smoker who is in the hospital

> for a heart attack and has to sneak out of the hospital room to smoke. He

> knows the smoking is bad and threatening his life but he doesn't stop.

>

> Of course smoking is somewhat different than overeating because there is a

> very strong chemical addiction. But there is a lot of psychological stuff

> going on as well. And if you don't deal with that, nothing changes.

>

> Excess weight is a symptom of whatever is going on that is causing you to

> turn to food. Overeating is actually a way of taking care of yourself that

> you have learned. It's a coping mechanism. The weight, the excess food, the

> food choices, all are symptoms. Diets treat the symptom. IE deals with the

> cause. Figure out and deal with the cause and the symptoms go away. Because

> of dieting, one cause is usually deprivation and restriction. Giving

> yourself unconditional permission to eat all foods reverses deprivation. You

> must deal with the cause, not the symptoms.

>

> It's a process and it's not easy, I know, having dealt with this since the

> age of 8. It took me time, but I made it through. And it's not just me, it's

> my clients as well. They find a way to the other side where they have a

> peaceful relationship with food. And you all should know that every single

> client of mine (and me too!) have all felt like they were the only one that

> IE isn't going to work for. They think it's great for other people, but it

> won't work for them. So I know many of you feel this way, but it's not true.

> You'll get through it. Let every binge or overeating episode be a learning

> experience. Everything else we learn comes from making mistakes.

>

> Back to nutrition. If you have a serious health issue right now, it is

> important to work with a doctor, dietician, etc. for any special needs you

> have. But most people find that after they have made peace with food and

> it's all permissible, they aren't always eating those same foods that they

> were so concerned about. As you move through the IE process, you will be

> paying more attention to your body and what it needs. You'll have that

> connection and your body will be asking for certain foods. You'll be

> pleasantly surprised to find your body asking for fruits and vegetables, and

> other " healthy " , nutritious foods that support health. And you also get to

> eat those other foods that may not be as nutritious but taste really good.

> But there will be a natural shift to where the supportive foods are more

> appealing more often and you will notice how good they make you feel

> physically.

>

> I used to eat regardless of hunger, I didn't know what that was. My usual

> finishing point in a meal would be an 8 on the hunger scale (the scale I

> use, 8 is beyond full and the scale goes from 0 to 10). I would eat to a 9

> or 10 when I was overeating or binging. 10 would send me to bed with a food

> coma. Much to my surprise and happiness, I can no longer eat to a 9 or 10. I

> just simply can't do it. I don't want to feel that way. If I overeat (yes,

> it does happen on occasion, no big deal), I may end up at an 8. What felt

> normal before, now feels awful. I don't like being at an 8, I want to stop

> when I'm satisfied (6-7 for me) because it feels good. This is possible for

> all of you and you'll be just as surprised when you get there. I promise!

>

> I didn't intend for this to be so long. I guess I have a good start to that

> book I'll write some day. I do hope this is helpful, I've been at this for a

> long time. I began my own IE journey in 1999 and have been coaching on it

> for many years so I've seen what is possible and I know it in my heart. You

> are all here because you are ready to be here and whatever you are dealing

> with will help make you stronger. Take advantage of the learning experiences

> each challenge brings. Try to avoid beating yourself up and instead ask

> yourself what can you learn from this situation.

>

> I'll write another post with some simple ideas and tips that may be helpful

> in getting through this early stage of IE.

>

>

> Thanks!

> Gillian

> Gillian Hood-son, MS, ACSM

>

> Get your report, " The 6 Steps to Guilt-Fr*e Eating " at

> http://www.HealthierOutcomes.com <http://www.healthieroutcomes.com/>

> Follow me on Twitter: <http://www.twitter.com/gillianhood>

> http://www.twitter.com/gillianhood

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I didn't "get it" until Gillian wrote this. I thought the same way you

did, and of course it didn't work when I tried it in the past. No

matter how many M & Ms I eat, I'm never going to not like them,

lol. I also know from being bulimic that I can eat some things

literally to the point of being sick and still crave them the next

day. There's a big difference between not wanting a food anymore and

just making it no better or worse than any other food.

Sohni

rachel.gary wrote:

Gillian, thanks for much for this! I was definitely confused, and

attempting to eat forbidden foods until I no longer craved them or got

bored. Unfortunately, this wasn't happening, so I thought something was

wrong! No I realize the goal is simply to make them less "special" in

my own mind, not necessarily unappealing altogether.

This makes a huge difference!

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> It seems that this is one of the main issues coming up over the

last few

> days, so I thought I would try to address it and see if I can be

of help. I

> can tell you that this is a very normal concern, almost all my

clients have

> it when they start out, and I certainly did as well. It seems so

wrong to

> eat whatever we want because we've been subjected to rules that

say we can't

> and if we do we are bad. And of course the food police are always

telling us

> we have to eat "clean" or "healthy" because we'll have all kinds

of diseases

> and all that stuff you hear all the time.

>

> To clarify, IE does not say you can eat whatever you want,

whenever you

> want. Many people take it that way and get very scared about

gaining weight

> and losing control. Keep in mind, however, that IE also doesn't

say you must

> ONLY eat when you are hungry and you must ALWAYS stop when

satisfied. This

> is what I call the Intuitive Eating Diet. I say that sarcastically

because

> there is no such thing. But when you put rules on it and use words

like only

> or always, it's a diet. That is black and white thinking.

>

> It is very important to work on making all foods permissible. At

this stage,

> setting up restrictions, even those that are made in the name of

healthy

> eating, is counter-productive. It is true that some people gain

weight when

> they begin this process. My experience is that it's not a lot of

weight, but

> I know even a little feels bad. I have heard the very rare stories

of

> someone gaining a lot of weight during the giving permission

stage, but I

> can tell you that there was something going on that wasn't in line

with IE.

>

> I just finished my latest class with Tribole an hour ago

and she said

> something that may be helpful. And the fact that she is talking

about this

> just shows even more how normal your concerns are, you aren't

alone in this.

> She said that many people think that if they eat something they've

had

> trouble with over and over again, the goal is to become tired of

that food,

> maybe not even want it anymore. What the purpose really is of

giving

> yourself permission to eat anything is to make all foods neutral.

It doesn't

> mean you won't want those chocolate chip cookies anymore, it just

means that

> they won't have the same pull on you, calling your name, creating

obsessive

> thoughts and anxiety when they are around. Making the cookies

neutral, you

> still really like them, but you don't worry about them going away

forever or

> feel guilty for eating them. The technical term for this is

"habituation" if

> anyone is interested in knowing that. I love this stuff! :)

>

> Now, about nutrition and health. We all know that some foods have

more

> nutrition than others. Some have more calories than others. Some

promote

> better health than others. And IE is not saying you should ignore

this. The

> problem is we've been bombarded with health and nutrition

information. You

> know what is healthy and what isn't. You know what foods may lead

to heart

> disease or Type II diabetes. We've known this for a long time. But

has it

> changed anything? Unfortunately, for the majority of people, this

info

> doesn't help change our behavior. If it did, diets would work. I'm

sure you

> know people that have had a heart attack and go right back to

eating the way

> they always did. It's no different than the smoker who is in the

hospital

> for a heart attack and has to sneak out of the hospital room to

smoke. He

> knows the smoking is bad and threatening his life but he doesn't

stop.

>

> Of course smoking is somewhat different than overeating because

there is a

> very strong chemical addiction. But there is a lot of

psychological stuff

> going on as well. And if you don't deal with that, nothing

changes.

>

> Excess weight is a symptom of whatever is going on that is causing

you to

> turn to food. Overeating is actually a way of taking care of

yourself that

> you have learned. It's a coping mechanism. The weight, the excess

food, the

> food choices, all are symptoms. Diets treat the symptom. IE deals

with the

> cause. Figure out and deal with the cause and the symptoms go

away. Because

> of dieting, one cause is usually deprivation and restriction.

Giving

> yourself unconditional permission to eat all foods reverses

deprivation. You

> must deal with the cause, not the symptoms.

>

> It's a process and it's not easy, I know, having dealt with this

since the

> age of 8. It took me time, but I made it through. And it's not

just me, it's

> my clients as well. They find a way to the other side where they

have a

> peaceful relationship with food. And you all should know that

every single

> client of mine (and me too!) have all felt like they were the only

one that

> IE isn't going to work for. They think it's great for other

people, but it

> won't work for them. So I know many of you feel this way, but it's

not true.

> You'll get through it. Let every binge or overeating episode be a

learning

> experience. Everything else we learn comes from making mistakes.

>

> Back to nutrition. If you have a serious health issue right now,

it is

> important to work with a doctor, dietician, etc. for any special

needs you

> have. But most people find that after they have made peace with

food and

> it's all permissible, they aren't always eating those same foods

that they

> were so concerned about. As you move through the IE process, you

will be

> paying more attention to your body and what it needs. You'll have

that

> connection and your body will be asking for certain foods. You'll

be

> pleasantly surprised to find your body asking for fruits and

vegetables, and

> other "healthy", nutritious foods that support health. And you

also get to

> eat those other foods that may not be as nutritious but taste

really good.

> But there will be a natural shift to where the supportive foods

are more

> appealing more often and you will notice how good they make you

feel

> physically.

>

> I used to eat regardless of hunger, I didn't know what that was.

My usual

> finishing point in a meal would be an 8 on the hunger scale (the

scale I

> use, 8 is beyond full and the scale goes from 0 to 10). I would

eat to a 9

> or 10 when I was overeating or binging. 10 would send me to bed

with a food

> coma. Much to my surprise and happiness, I can no longer eat to a

9 or 10. I

> just simply can't do it. I don't want to feel that way. If I

overeat (yes,

> it does happen on occasion, no big deal), I may end up at an 8.

What felt

> normal before, now feels awful. I don't like being at an 8, I want

to stop

> when I'm satisfied (6-7 for me) because it feels good. This is

possible for

> all of you and you'll be just as surprised when you get there. I

promise!

>

> I didn't intend for this to be so long. I guess I have a good

start to that

> book I'll write some day. I do hope this is helpful, I've been at

this for a

> long time. I began my own IE journey in 1999 and have been

coaching on it

> for many years so I've seen what is possible and I know it in my

heart. You

> are all here because you are ready to be here and whatever you are

dealing

> with will help make you stronger. Take advantage of the learning

experiences

> each challenge brings. Try to avoid beating yourself up and

instead ask

> yourself what can you learn from this situation.

>

> I'll write another post with some simple ideas and tips that may

be helpful

> in getting through this early stage of IE.

>

>

> Thanks!

> Gillian

> Gillian Hood-son, MS, ACSM

>

> Get your report, "The 6 Steps to Guilt-Fr*e Eating" at

> http://www.HealthierOutcomes.com

<http://www.healthieroutcomes.com/>

> Follow me on Twitter: <http://www.twitter.com/gillianhood>

> http://www.twitter.com/gillianhood

>

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A lot of these changes have been going on for the past few years, even

when I was in the restricting/binging cycle. So you're right,

sometimes the changes are so subtle we don't even realize they're

happening.

Sohni

Gillian Hood-son wrote:

Hi Sohni,

I'm really glad you found the

post helpful. There are a lot of things to remember with this being

such a huge change in mindset. Like most things we have to learn,

you'll hear things over and over again before they really take hold.

That's a really great thing about this group, many things are repeated

which helps everyone remember and keep the important points in front of

us.

It's awesome that you are seeing

the same decrease in how much you can eat. It's easy to not see the

more subtle things that have taken place in this process. Whenever I

talk to someone who is stressing about the weight not yet coming off, I

will ask them to list all the changes that they have made. If they

forget something, I will of course remind them. :)

Thanks!

Gillian

Gillian Hood-son, MS, ACSM

Get your report, "The 6 Steps to Guilt-Fr*e Eating" at http://www.HealthierOutcomes.com

Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/gillianhood

From:

IntuitiveEating_Support [mailto:IntuitiveEating_Support ]

On Behalf Of jeanniet58

Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:12 PM

To: IntuitiveEating_Support

Subject: Re: Legalizing food

and overeating (Long)

Thank you so much, Gillian. You clarified a lot for me. It can

be really difficult to remember that I need to look at all foods as

being just food and not something else. I'd really appreciate hearing

your tips.

I have noticed that over the past year or so my "binge limit" has

dropped. I'd say I'm about at an 8 now, maybe occasionally a 9, and

I'm not physically comfortable at 8. Used to be 10--"food coma" says

it very well! So on that front, at least, I do see progress.

Sohni

Gillian Hood-son wrote:

Hi

Everyone,

It

seems that this is one of the main issues coming up over the last few

days, so I thought I would try to address it and see if I can be of

help. I can tell you that this is a very normal concern, almost all my

clients have it when they start out, and I certainly did as well. It

seems so wrong to eat whatever we want because we've been subjected to

rules that say we can't and if we do we are bad. And of course the food

police are always telling us we have to eat "clean" or "healthy"

because we'll have all kinds of diseases and all that stuff you hear

all the time.

To

clarify, IE does not say you can eat whatever you want, whenever you

want. Many people take it that way and get very scared about gaining

weight and losing control. Keep in mind, however, that IE also doesn't

say you must ONLY eat when you are hungry and you must ALWAYS stop when

satisfied. This is what I call the Intuitive Eating Diet. I say that

sarcastically because there is no such thing. But when you put rules on

it and use words like only or always, it's a diet. That is black and

white thinking.

It

is very important to work on making all foods permissible. At this

stage, setting up restrictions, even those that are made in the name of

healthy eating, is counter-productive. It is true that some people gain

weight when they begin this process. My experience is that it's not a

lot of weight, but I know even a little feels bad. I have heard the

very rare stories of someone gaining a lot of weight during the giving

permission stage, but I can tell you that there was something going on

that wasn't in line with IE.

I

just finished my latest class with Tribole an hour ago and she

said something that may be helpful. And the fact that she is talking

about this just shows even more how normal your concerns are, you

aren't alone in this. She said that many people think that if they eat

something they've had trouble with over and over again, the goal is to

become tired of that food, maybe not even want it anymore. What the

purpose really is of giving yourself permission to eat anything is to

make all foods neutral. It doesn't mean you won't want those chocolate

chip cookies anymore, it just means that they won't have the same pull

on you, calling your name, creating obsessive thoughts and anxiety when

they are around. Making the cookies neutral, you still really like

them, but you don't worry about them going away forever or feel guilty

for eating them. The technical term for this is "habituation" if anyone

is interested in knowing that. I love this stuff! :)

Now,

about nutrition and health. We all know that some foods have more

nutrition than others. Some have more calories than others. Some

promote better health than others. And IE is not saying you should

ignore this. The problem is we've been bombarded with health and

nutrition information. You know what is healthy and what isn't. You

know what foods may lead to heart disease or Type II diabetes. We've

known this for a long time. But has it changed anything? Unfortunately,

for the majority of people, this info doesn't help change our behavior.

If it did, diets would work. I'm sure you know people that have had a

heart attack and go right back to eating the way they always did. It's

no different than the smoker who is in the hospital for a heart attack

and has to sneak out of the hospital room to smoke. He knows the

smoking is bad and threatening his life but he doesn't stop.

Of

course smoking is somewhat different than overeating because there is a

very strong chemical addiction. But there is a lot of psychological

stuff going on as well. And if you don't deal with that, nothing

changes.

Excess

weight is a symptom of whatever is going on that is causing you to turn

to food. Overeating is actually a way of taking care of yourself that

you have learned. It's a coping mechanism. The weight, the excess food,

the food choices, all are symptoms. Diets treat the symptom. IE deals

with the cause. Figure out and deal with the cause and the symptoms go

away. Because of dieting, one cause is usually deprivation and

restriction. Giving yourself unconditional permission to eat all foods

reverses deprivation. You must deal with the cause, not the symptoms.

It's

a process and it's not easy, I know, having dealt with this since the

age of 8. It took me time, but I made it through. And it's not just me,

it's my clients as well. They find a way to the other side where they

have a peaceful relationship with food. And you all should know that

every single client of mine (and me too!) have all felt like they were

the only one that IE isn't going to work for. They think it's great for

other people, but it won't work for them. So I know many of you feel

this way, but it's not true. You'll get through it. Let every binge or

overeating episode be a learning experience. Everything else we learn

comes from making mistakes.

Back

to nutrition. If you have a serious health issue right now, it is

important to work with a doctor, dietician, etc. for any special needs

you have. But most people find that after they have made peace with

food and it's all permissible, they aren't always eating those same

foods that they were so concerned about. As you move through the IE

process, you will be paying more attention to your body and what it

needs. You'll have that connection and your body will be asking for

certain foods. You'll be pleasantly surprised to find your body asking

for fruits and vegetables, and other "healthy", nutritious foods that

support health. And you also get to eat those other foods that may not

be as nutritious but taste really good. But there will be a natural

shift to where the supportive foods are more appealing more often and

you will notice how good they make you feel physically.

I

used to eat regardless of hunger, I didn't know what that was. My usual

finishing point in a meal would be an 8 on the hunger scale (the scale

I use, 8 is beyond full and the scale goes from 0 to 10). I would eat

to a 9 or 10 when I was overeating or binging. 10 would send me to bed

with a food coma. Much to my surprise and happiness, I can no longer

eat to a 9 or 10. I just simply can't do it. I don't want to feel that

way. If I overeat (yes, it does happen on occasion, no big deal), I may

end up at an 8. What felt normal before, now feels awful. I don't like

being at an 8, I want to stop when I'm satisfied (6-7 for me) because

it feels good. This is possible for all of you and you'll be just as

surprised when you get there. I promise!

I

didn't intend for this to be so long. I guess I have a good start to

that book I'll write some day. I do hope this is helpful, I've been at

this for a long time. I began my own IE journey in 1999 and have been

coaching on it for many years so I've seen what is possible and I know

it in my heart. You are all here because you are ready to be here and

whatever you are dealing with will help make you stronger. Take

advantage of the learning experiences each challenge brings. Try to

avoid beating yourself up and instead ask yourself what can you learn

from this situation.

I'll

write another post with some simple ideas and tips that may be helpful

in getting through this early stage of IE.

Thanks!

Gillian

Gillian Hood-son, MS, ACSM

Get your report, "The 6 Steps to Guilt-Fr*e Eating" at http://www.HealthierOutcomes.com

Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/gillianhood

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A lot of these changes have been going on for the past few years, even

when I was in the restricting/binging cycle. So you're right,

sometimes the changes are so subtle we don't even realize they're

happening.

Sohni

Gillian Hood-son wrote:

Hi Sohni,

I'm really glad you found the

post helpful. There are a lot of things to remember with this being

such a huge change in mindset. Like most things we have to learn,

you'll hear things over and over again before they really take hold.

That's a really great thing about this group, many things are repeated

which helps everyone remember and keep the important points in front of

us.

It's awesome that you are seeing

the same decrease in how much you can eat. It's easy to not see the

more subtle things that have taken place in this process. Whenever I

talk to someone who is stressing about the weight not yet coming off, I

will ask them to list all the changes that they have made. If they

forget something, I will of course remind them. :)

Thanks!

Gillian

Gillian Hood-son, MS, ACSM

Get your report, "The 6 Steps to Guilt-Fr*e Eating" at http://www.HealthierOutcomes.com

Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/gillianhood

From:

IntuitiveEating_Support [mailto:IntuitiveEating_Support ]

On Behalf Of jeanniet58

Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:12 PM

To: IntuitiveEating_Support

Subject: Re: Legalizing food

and overeating (Long)

Thank you so much, Gillian. You clarified a lot for me. It can

be really difficult to remember that I need to look at all foods as

being just food and not something else. I'd really appreciate hearing

your tips.

I have noticed that over the past year or so my "binge limit" has

dropped. I'd say I'm about at an 8 now, maybe occasionally a 9, and

I'm not physically comfortable at 8. Used to be 10--"food coma" says

it very well! So on that front, at least, I do see progress.

Sohni

Gillian Hood-son wrote:

Hi

Everyone,

It

seems that this is one of the main issues coming up over the last few

days, so I thought I would try to address it and see if I can be of

help. I can tell you that this is a very normal concern, almost all my

clients have it when they start out, and I certainly did as well. It

seems so wrong to eat whatever we want because we've been subjected to

rules that say we can't and if we do we are bad. And of course the food

police are always telling us we have to eat "clean" or "healthy"

because we'll have all kinds of diseases and all that stuff you hear

all the time.

To

clarify, IE does not say you can eat whatever you want, whenever you

want. Many people take it that way and get very scared about gaining

weight and losing control. Keep in mind, however, that IE also doesn't

say you must ONLY eat when you are hungry and you must ALWAYS stop when

satisfied. This is what I call the Intuitive Eating Diet. I say that

sarcastically because there is no such thing. But when you put rules on

it and use words like only or always, it's a diet. That is black and

white thinking.

It

is very important to work on making all foods permissible. At this

stage, setting up restrictions, even those that are made in the name of

healthy eating, is counter-productive. It is true that some people gain

weight when they begin this process. My experience is that it's not a

lot of weight, but I know even a little feels bad. I have heard the

very rare stories of someone gaining a lot of weight during the giving

permission stage, but I can tell you that there was something going on

that wasn't in line with IE.

I

just finished my latest class with Tribole an hour ago and she

said something that may be helpful. And the fact that she is talking

about this just shows even more how normal your concerns are, you

aren't alone in this. She said that many people think that if they eat

something they've had trouble with over and over again, the goal is to

become tired of that food, maybe not even want it anymore. What the

purpose really is of giving yourself permission to eat anything is to

make all foods neutral. It doesn't mean you won't want those chocolate

chip cookies anymore, it just means that they won't have the same pull

on you, calling your name, creating obsessive thoughts and anxiety when

they are around. Making the cookies neutral, you still really like

them, but you don't worry about them going away forever or feel guilty

for eating them. The technical term for this is "habituation" if anyone

is interested in knowing that. I love this stuff! :)

Now,

about nutrition and health. We all know that some foods have more

nutrition than others. Some have more calories than others. Some

promote better health than others. And IE is not saying you should

ignore this. The problem is we've been bombarded with health and

nutrition information. You know what is healthy and what isn't. You

know what foods may lead to heart disease or Type II diabetes. We've

known this for a long time. But has it changed anything? Unfortunately,

for the majority of people, this info doesn't help change our behavior.

If it did, diets would work. I'm sure you know people that have had a

heart attack and go right back to eating the way they always did. It's

no different than the smoker who is in the hospital for a heart attack

and has to sneak out of the hospital room to smoke. He knows the

smoking is bad and threatening his life but he doesn't stop.

Of

course smoking is somewhat different than overeating because there is a

very strong chemical addiction. But there is a lot of psychological

stuff going on as well. And if you don't deal with that, nothing

changes.

Excess

weight is a symptom of whatever is going on that is causing you to turn

to food. Overeating is actually a way of taking care of yourself that

you have learned. It's a coping mechanism. The weight, the excess food,

the food choices, all are symptoms. Diets treat the symptom. IE deals

with the cause. Figure out and deal with the cause and the symptoms go

away. Because of dieting, one cause is usually deprivation and

restriction. Giving yourself unconditional permission to eat all foods

reverses deprivation. You must deal with the cause, not the symptoms.

It's

a process and it's not easy, I know, having dealt with this since the

age of 8. It took me time, but I made it through. And it's not just me,

it's my clients as well. They find a way to the other side where they

have a peaceful relationship with food. And you all should know that

every single client of mine (and me too!) have all felt like they were

the only one that IE isn't going to work for. They think it's great for

other people, but it won't work for them. So I know many of you feel

this way, but it's not true. You'll get through it. Let every binge or

overeating episode be a learning experience. Everything else we learn

comes from making mistakes.

Back

to nutrition. If you have a serious health issue right now, it is

important to work with a doctor, dietician, etc. for any special needs

you have. But most people find that after they have made peace with

food and it's all permissible, they aren't always eating those same

foods that they were so concerned about. As you move through the IE

process, you will be paying more attention to your body and what it

needs. You'll have that connection and your body will be asking for

certain foods. You'll be pleasantly surprised to find your body asking

for fruits and vegetables, and other "healthy", nutritious foods that

support health. And you also get to eat those other foods that may not

be as nutritious but taste really good. But there will be a natural

shift to where the supportive foods are more appealing more often and

you will notice how good they make you feel physically.

I

used to eat regardless of hunger, I didn't know what that was. My usual

finishing point in a meal would be an 8 on the hunger scale (the scale

I use, 8 is beyond full and the scale goes from 0 to 10). I would eat

to a 9 or 10 when I was overeating or binging. 10 would send me to bed

with a food coma. Much to my surprise and happiness, I can no longer

eat to a 9 or 10. I just simply can't do it. I don't want to feel that

way. If I overeat (yes, it does happen on occasion, no big deal), I may

end up at an 8. What felt normal before, now feels awful. I don't like

being at an 8, I want to stop when I'm satisfied (6-7 for me) because

it feels good. This is possible for all of you and you'll be just as

surprised when you get there. I promise!

I

didn't intend for this to be so long. I guess I have a good start to

that book I'll write some day. I do hope this is helpful, I've been at

this for a long time. I began my own IE journey in 1999 and have been

coaching on it for many years so I've seen what is possible and I know

it in my heart. You are all here because you are ready to be here and

whatever you are dealing with will help make you stronger. Take

advantage of the learning experiences each challenge brings. Try to

avoid beating yourself up and instead ask yourself what can you learn

from this situation.

I'll

write another post with some simple ideas and tips that may be helpful

in getting through this early stage of IE.

Thanks!

Gillian

Gillian Hood-son, MS, ACSM

Get your report, "The 6 Steps to Guilt-Fr*e Eating" at http://www.HealthierOutcomes.com

Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/gillianhood

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Hi Jeanne,

I've had a few binges, but for the most part the cravings I've felt

have been much reduced. For my part, I think it's due to my feeling

more relaxed about the whole food issue because I'm not looking at

labels or portion sizes, and trying not to think, "Oh, I should eat

this" or "I shouldn't eat that." I did buy some cookies today because

they're a special kind that I know I like, but for now I don't

particularly feel like having any.

Sohni

J W ELLER wrote:

Thanks for your post, Gillian! It was not only

informative but also made me feel optimistic about my own IE journey.

I'm wondering if I'm unconsciously restricting

because since I've been on my IE journey I haven't felt the need or

desire to go out and buy a bunch of the stuff on which I used to

binge/overeat. We didn't routinely buy cookies, cakes, etc. before,

except when dieting/depriving. Since I joined the group when I've

wanted something sweet, I've gone out and bought it, mostly candy but

in moderation to test how it made me feel. I still remember how badly

I felt physically and emotionally when I would "overdose" on sweets.

Maybe I'm losing my mind, but those creme-filled Krispy Kremes or

Dunkin' Doughnuts don't seem as unappealing as when I was on WW.

Best wishes,

Jeanne

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Hi Sohni!

Love your first name! It's lovely! And am glad to hear your binging has lessened! I always hated myself when I binged but couldn't seem to help or wanted to help myself when I would do it! Mentally legalizing food, for me, has been so empowering!

But uh-oh, I goofed when I said, "Maybe I'm losing my mind, but those creme-filled Krispy Kremes or Dunkin' Doughnuts don't seem as unappealing as when I was on WW." Think the fingers got too happy on the keyboard because what I meant to say is "appealing" rather than "unappealing!" So perhaps I may have caused some confusion! And I apologize for that!

All the best,

Jeanne

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So glad you clarified that!!!!!

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Hi Sohni!

Love your first name! It's lovely! And am

glad to hear your binging has lessened! I always hated myself when

I binged but couldn't seem to help or wanted to help myself when I would do

it! Mentally legalizing food, for me, has been so

empowering!

But uh-oh, I goofed when I said, " Maybe I'm losing my mind, but those creme-filled Krispy Kremes or Dunkin'

Doughnuts don't seem as unappealing as when I was

on WW. " Think the fingers got too happy on the keyboard

because what I meant to say is " appealing " rather than

" unappealing! " So perhaps I may have caused some

confusion! And I apologize for that!

All the best,

Jeanne

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Thank you for the compliment. Ha, I read it as "appealing" anyway.

I'm kinda wondering how this will all feel when the newness and

excitement starts to wear off. It's true the intensity of my binges

has lessened over time, but they're still very much a part of my life.

I'm hoping that living with IE for a while will help me get out of the

habit of binging so much before it's not so exciting any more...does

that make sense?

Sohni

J W ELLER wrote:

Hi Sohni!

Love your first name! It's lovely! And am glad to hear

your binging has lessened! I always hated myself when I binged but

couldn't seem to help or wanted to help myself when I would do

it! Mentally legalizing food, for me, has been so empowering!

But uh-oh, I goofed when I said, "Maybe I'm losing my mind, but

those creme-filled Krispy Kremes or Dunkin' Doughnuts

don't seem as unappealing as when I was on WW." Think the fingers got

too happy on the keyboard because what I meant to say is "appealing"

rather than "unappealing!" So perhaps I may have caused some

confusion! And I apologize for that!

All the best,

Jeanne

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Hi, I am new to site. I am confused about your comment that IE doesn't say eat whatever you want, whenever you wnat. i thought you were suppose to eat what you want and stop when satisfied as a general rule. Can you eloborate. Thanks . Also are there any in person support groups?

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 7:06:37 AMSubject: Re: Legalizing food and overeating (Long)

Gillian, thanks for much for this! I was definitely confused, and attempting to eat forbidden foods until I no longer craved them or got bored. Unfortunately, this wasn't happening, so I thought something was wrong! No I realize the goal is simply to make them less "special" in my own mind, not necessarily unappealing altogether.This makes a huge difference!>> Hi Everyone,> > It seems that this is one of the main issues coming up over the last few> days, so I thought I would try to address it and see if I can be of help. I> can tell you that this is a very normal concern, almost all my clients have> it when they start out, and I certainly

did as well. It seems so wrong to> eat whatever we want because we've been subjected to rules that say we can't> and if we do we are bad. And of course the food police are always telling us> we have to eat "clean" or "healthy" because we'll have all kinds of diseases> and all that stuff you hear all the time.> > To clarify, IE does not say you can eat whatever you want, whenever you> want. Many people take it that way and get very scared about gaining weight> and losing control. Keep in mind, however, that IE also doesn't say you must> ONLY eat when you are hungry and you must ALWAYS stop when satisfied. This> is what I call the Intuitive Eating Diet. I say that sarcastically because> there is no such thing. But when you put rules on it and use words like only> or always, it's a diet. That is black and white thinking. > > It is very important to work on

making all foods permissible. At this stage,> setting up restrictions, even those that are made in the name of healthy> eating, is counter-productive. It is true that some people gain weight when> they begin this process. My experience is that it's not a lot of weight, but> I know even a little feels bad. I have heard the very rare stories of> someone gaining a lot of weight during the giving permission stage, but I> can tell you that there was something going on that wasn't in line with IE. > > I just finished my latest class with Tribole an hour ago and she said> something that may be helpful. And the fact that she is talking about this> just shows even more how normal your concerns are, you aren't alone in this.> She said that many people think that if they eat something they've had> trouble with over and over again, the goal is to become tired of that

food,> maybe not even want it anymore. What the purpose really is of giving> yourself permission to eat anything is to make all foods neutral. It doesn't> mean you won't want those chocolate chip cookies anymore, it just means that> they won't have the same pull on you, calling your name, creating obsessive> thoughts and anxiety when they are around. Making the cookies neutral, you> still really like them, but you don't worry about them going away forever or> feel guilty for eating them. The technical term for this is "habituation" if> anyone is interested in knowing that. I love this stuff! :)> > Now, about nutrition and health. We all know that some foods have more> nutrition than others. Some have more calories than others. Some promote> better health than others. And IE is not saying you should ignore this. The> problem is we've been bombarded with health and

nutrition information. You> know what is healthy and what isn't. You know what foods may lead to heart> disease or Type II diabetes. We've known this for a long time. But has it> changed anything? Unfortunately, for the majority of people, this info> doesn't help change our behavior. If it did, diets would work. I'm sure you> know people that have had a heart attack and go right back to eating the way> they always did. It's no different than the smoker who is in the hospital> for a heart attack and has to sneak out of the hospital room to smoke. He> knows the smoking is bad and threatening his life but he doesn't stop. > > Of course smoking is somewhat different than overeating because there is a> very strong chemical addiction. But there is a lot of psychological stuff> going on as well. And if you don't deal with that, nothing changes. > > Excess weight

is a symptom of whatever is going on that is causing you to> turn to food. Overeating is actually a way of taking care of yourself that> you have learned. It's a coping mechanism. The weight, the excess food, the> food choices, all are symptoms. Diets treat the symptom. IE deals with the> cause. Figure out and deal with the cause and the symptoms go away. Because> of dieting, one cause is usually deprivation and restriction. Giving> yourself unconditional permission to eat all foods reverses deprivation. You> must deal with the cause, not the symptoms.> > It's a process and it's not easy, I know, having dealt with this since the> age of 8. It took me time, but I made it through. And it's not just me, it's> my clients as well. They find a way to the other side where they have a> peaceful relationship with food. And you all should know that every single> client of

mine (and me too!) have all felt like they were the only one that> IE isn't going to work for. They think it's great for other people, but it> won't work for them. So I know many of you feel this way, but it's not true.> You'll get through it. Let every binge or overeating episode be a learning> experience. Everything else we learn comes from making mistakes. > > Back to nutrition. If you have a serious health issue right now, it is> important to work with a doctor, dietician, etc. for any special needs you> have. But most people find that after they have made peace with food and> it's all permissible, they aren't always eating those same foods that they> were so concerned about. As you move through the IE process, you will be> paying more attention to your body and what it needs. You'll have that> connection and your body will be asking for certain foods. You'll

be> pleasantly surprised to find your body asking for fruits and vegetables, and> other "healthy", nutritious foods that support health. And you also get to> eat those other foods that may not be as nutritious but taste really good.> But there will be a natural shift to where the supportive foods are more> appealing more often and you will notice how good they make you feel> physically.> > I used to eat regardless of hunger, I didn't know what that was. My usual> finishing point in a meal would be an 8 on the hunger scale (the scale I> use, 8 is beyond full and the scale goes from 0 to 10). I would eat to a 9> or 10 when I was overeating or binging. 10 would send me to bed with a food> coma. Much to my surprise and happiness, I can no longer eat to a 9 or 10. I> just simply can't do it. I don't want to feel that way. If I overeat (yes,> it does happen on

occasion, no big deal), I may end up at an 8. What felt> normal before, now feels awful. I don't like being at an 8, I want to stop> when I'm satisfied (6-7 for me) because it feels good. This is possible for> all of you and you'll be just as surprised when you get there. I promise!> > I didn't intend for this to be so long. I guess I have a good start to that> book I'll write some day. I do hope this is helpful, I've been at this for a> long time. I began my own IE journey in 1999 and have been coaching on it> for many years so I've seen what is possible and I know it in my heart. You> are all here because you are ready to be here and whatever you are dealing> with will help make you stronger. Take advantage of the learning experiences> each challenge brings. Try to avoid beating yourself up and instead ask> yourself what can you learn from this situation. >

> I'll write another post with some simple ideas and tips that may be helpful> in getting through this early stage of IE.> > > Thanks!> Gillian> Gillian Hood-son, MS, ACSM> > Get your report, "The 6 Steps to Guilt-Fr*e Eating" at> http://www.Healthie rOutcomes. com <http://www.healthie routcomes. com/> > Follow me on Twitter: <http://www.twitter. com/gillianhood>> http://www.twitter. com/gillianhood>

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Hi, I am new to site. I am confused about your comment that IE doesn't say eat whatever you want, whenever you wnat. i thought you were suppose to eat what you want and stop when satisfied as a general rule. Can you eloborate. Thanks . Also are there any in person support groups?

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 7:06:37 AMSubject: Re: Legalizing food and overeating (Long)

Gillian, thanks for much for this! I was definitely confused, and attempting to eat forbidden foods until I no longer craved them or got bored. Unfortunately, this wasn't happening, so I thought something was wrong! No I realize the goal is simply to make them less "special" in my own mind, not necessarily unappealing altogether.This makes a huge difference!>> Hi Everyone,> > It seems that this is one of the main issues coming up over the last few> days, so I thought I would try to address it and see if I can be of help. I> can tell you that this is a very normal concern, almost all my clients have> it when they start out, and I certainly

did as well. It seems so wrong to> eat whatever we want because we've been subjected to rules that say we can't> and if we do we are bad. And of course the food police are always telling us> we have to eat "clean" or "healthy" because we'll have all kinds of diseases> and all that stuff you hear all the time.> > To clarify, IE does not say you can eat whatever you want, whenever you> want. Many people take it that way and get very scared about gaining weight> and losing control. Keep in mind, however, that IE also doesn't say you must> ONLY eat when you are hungry and you must ALWAYS stop when satisfied. This> is what I call the Intuitive Eating Diet. I say that sarcastically because> there is no such thing. But when you put rules on it and use words like only> or always, it's a diet. That is black and white thinking. > > It is very important to work on

making all foods permissible. At this stage,> setting up restrictions, even those that are made in the name of healthy> eating, is counter-productive. It is true that some people gain weight when> they begin this process. My experience is that it's not a lot of weight, but> I know even a little feels bad. I have heard the very rare stories of> someone gaining a lot of weight during the giving permission stage, but I> can tell you that there was something going on that wasn't in line with IE. > > I just finished my latest class with Tribole an hour ago and she said> something that may be helpful. And the fact that she is talking about this> just shows even more how normal your concerns are, you aren't alone in this.> She said that many people think that if they eat something they've had> trouble with over and over again, the goal is to become tired of that

food,> maybe not even want it anymore. What the purpose really is of giving> yourself permission to eat anything is to make all foods neutral. It doesn't> mean you won't want those chocolate chip cookies anymore, it just means that> they won't have the same pull on you, calling your name, creating obsessive> thoughts and anxiety when they are around. Making the cookies neutral, you> still really like them, but you don't worry about them going away forever or> feel guilty for eating them. The technical term for this is "habituation" if> anyone is interested in knowing that. I love this stuff! :)> > Now, about nutrition and health. We all know that some foods have more> nutrition than others. Some have more calories than others. Some promote> better health than others. And IE is not saying you should ignore this. The> problem is we've been bombarded with health and

nutrition information. You> know what is healthy and what isn't. You know what foods may lead to heart> disease or Type II diabetes. We've known this for a long time. But has it> changed anything? Unfortunately, for the majority of people, this info> doesn't help change our behavior. If it did, diets would work. I'm sure you> know people that have had a heart attack and go right back to eating the way> they always did. It's no different than the smoker who is in the hospital> for a heart attack and has to sneak out of the hospital room to smoke. He> knows the smoking is bad and threatening his life but he doesn't stop. > > Of course smoking is somewhat different than overeating because there is a> very strong chemical addiction. But there is a lot of psychological stuff> going on as well. And if you don't deal with that, nothing changes. > > Excess weight

is a symptom of whatever is going on that is causing you to> turn to food. Overeating is actually a way of taking care of yourself that> you have learned. It's a coping mechanism. The weight, the excess food, the> food choices, all are symptoms. Diets treat the symptom. IE deals with the> cause. Figure out and deal with the cause and the symptoms go away. Because> of dieting, one cause is usually deprivation and restriction. Giving> yourself unconditional permission to eat all foods reverses deprivation. You> must deal with the cause, not the symptoms.> > It's a process and it's not easy, I know, having dealt with this since the> age of 8. It took me time, but I made it through. And it's not just me, it's> my clients as well. They find a way to the other side where they have a> peaceful relationship with food. And you all should know that every single> client of

mine (and me too!) have all felt like they were the only one that> IE isn't going to work for. They think it's great for other people, but it> won't work for them. So I know many of you feel this way, but it's not true.> You'll get through it. Let every binge or overeating episode be a learning> experience. Everything else we learn comes from making mistakes. > > Back to nutrition. If you have a serious health issue right now, it is> important to work with a doctor, dietician, etc. for any special needs you> have. But most people find that after they have made peace with food and> it's all permissible, they aren't always eating those same foods that they> were so concerned about. As you move through the IE process, you will be> paying more attention to your body and what it needs. You'll have that> connection and your body will be asking for certain foods. You'll

be> pleasantly surprised to find your body asking for fruits and vegetables, and> other "healthy", nutritious foods that support health. And you also get to> eat those other foods that may not be as nutritious but taste really good.> But there will be a natural shift to where the supportive foods are more> appealing more often and you will notice how good they make you feel> physically.> > I used to eat regardless of hunger, I didn't know what that was. My usual> finishing point in a meal would be an 8 on the hunger scale (the scale I> use, 8 is beyond full and the scale goes from 0 to 10). I would eat to a 9> or 10 when I was overeating or binging. 10 would send me to bed with a food> coma. Much to my surprise and happiness, I can no longer eat to a 9 or 10. I> just simply can't do it. I don't want to feel that way. If I overeat (yes,> it does happen on

occasion, no big deal), I may end up at an 8. What felt> normal before, now feels awful. I don't like being at an 8, I want to stop> when I'm satisfied (6-7 for me) because it feels good. This is possible for> all of you and you'll be just as surprised when you get there. I promise!> > I didn't intend for this to be so long. I guess I have a good start to that> book I'll write some day. I do hope this is helpful, I've been at this for a> long time. I began my own IE journey in 1999 and have been coaching on it> for many years so I've seen what is possible and I know it in my heart. You> are all here because you are ready to be here and whatever you are dealing> with will help make you stronger. Take advantage of the learning experiences> each challenge brings. Try to avoid beating yourself up and instead ask> yourself what can you learn from this situation. >

> I'll write another post with some simple ideas and tips that may be helpful> in getting through this early stage of IE.> > > Thanks!> Gillian> Gillian Hood-son, MS, ACSM> > Get your report, "The 6 Steps to Guilt-Fr*e Eating" at> http://www.Healthie rOutcomes. com <http://www.healthie routcomes. com/> > Follow me on Twitter: <http://www.twitter. com/gillianhood>> http://www.twitter. com/gillianhood>

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Hi, I am new to site. I am confused about your comment that IE doesn't say eat whatever you want, whenever you wnat. i thought you were suppose to eat what you want and stop when satisfied as a general rule. Can you eloborate. Thanks . Also are there any in person support groups?

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 7:06:37 AMSubject: Re: Legalizing food and overeating (Long)

Gillian, thanks for much for this! I was definitely confused, and attempting to eat forbidden foods until I no longer craved them or got bored. Unfortunately, this wasn't happening, so I thought something was wrong! No I realize the goal is simply to make them less "special" in my own mind, not necessarily unappealing altogether.This makes a huge difference!>> Hi Everyone,> > It seems that this is one of the main issues coming up over the last few> days, so I thought I would try to address it and see if I can be of help. I> can tell you that this is a very normal concern, almost all my clients have> it when they start out, and I certainly

did as well. It seems so wrong to> eat whatever we want because we've been subjected to rules that say we can't> and if we do we are bad. And of course the food police are always telling us> we have to eat "clean" or "healthy" because we'll have all kinds of diseases> and all that stuff you hear all the time.> > To clarify, IE does not say you can eat whatever you want, whenever you> want. Many people take it that way and get very scared about gaining weight> and losing control. Keep in mind, however, that IE also doesn't say you must> ONLY eat when you are hungry and you must ALWAYS stop when satisfied. This> is what I call the Intuitive Eating Diet. I say that sarcastically because> there is no such thing. But when you put rules on it and use words like only> or always, it's a diet. That is black and white thinking. > > It is very important to work on

making all foods permissible. At this stage,> setting up restrictions, even those that are made in the name of healthy> eating, is counter-productive. It is true that some people gain weight when> they begin this process. My experience is that it's not a lot of weight, but> I know even a little feels bad. I have heard the very rare stories of> someone gaining a lot of weight during the giving permission stage, but I> can tell you that there was something going on that wasn't in line with IE. > > I just finished my latest class with Tribole an hour ago and she said> something that may be helpful. And the fact that she is talking about this> just shows even more how normal your concerns are, you aren't alone in this.> She said that many people think that if they eat something they've had> trouble with over and over again, the goal is to become tired of that

food,> maybe not even want it anymore. What the purpose really is of giving> yourself permission to eat anything is to make all foods neutral. It doesn't> mean you won't want those chocolate chip cookies anymore, it just means that> they won't have the same pull on you, calling your name, creating obsessive> thoughts and anxiety when they are around. Making the cookies neutral, you> still really like them, but you don't worry about them going away forever or> feel guilty for eating them. The technical term for this is "habituation" if> anyone is interested in knowing that. I love this stuff! :)> > Now, about nutrition and health. We all know that some foods have more> nutrition than others. Some have more calories than others. Some promote> better health than others. And IE is not saying you should ignore this. The> problem is we've been bombarded with health and

nutrition information. You> know what is healthy and what isn't. You know what foods may lead to heart> disease or Type II diabetes. We've known this for a long time. But has it> changed anything? Unfortunately, for the majority of people, this info> doesn't help change our behavior. If it did, diets would work. I'm sure you> know people that have had a heart attack and go right back to eating the way> they always did. It's no different than the smoker who is in the hospital> for a heart attack and has to sneak out of the hospital room to smoke. He> knows the smoking is bad and threatening his life but he doesn't stop. > > Of course smoking is somewhat different than overeating because there is a> very strong chemical addiction. But there is a lot of psychological stuff> going on as well. And if you don't deal with that, nothing changes. > > Excess weight

is a symptom of whatever is going on that is causing you to> turn to food. Overeating is actually a way of taking care of yourself that> you have learned. It's a coping mechanism. The weight, the excess food, the> food choices, all are symptoms. Diets treat the symptom. IE deals with the> cause. Figure out and deal with the cause and the symptoms go away. Because> of dieting, one cause is usually deprivation and restriction. Giving> yourself unconditional permission to eat all foods reverses deprivation. You> must deal with the cause, not the symptoms.> > It's a process and it's not easy, I know, having dealt with this since the> age of 8. It took me time, but I made it through. And it's not just me, it's> my clients as well. They find a way to the other side where they have a> peaceful relationship with food. And you all should know that every single> client of

mine (and me too!) have all felt like they were the only one that> IE isn't going to work for. They think it's great for other people, but it> won't work for them. So I know many of you feel this way, but it's not true.> You'll get through it. Let every binge or overeating episode be a learning> experience. Everything else we learn comes from making mistakes. > > Back to nutrition. If you have a serious health issue right now, it is> important to work with a doctor, dietician, etc. for any special needs you> have. But most people find that after they have made peace with food and> it's all permissible, they aren't always eating those same foods that they> were so concerned about. As you move through the IE process, you will be> paying more attention to your body and what it needs. You'll have that> connection and your body will be asking for certain foods. You'll

be> pleasantly surprised to find your body asking for fruits and vegetables, and> other "healthy", nutritious foods that support health. And you also get to> eat those other foods that may not be as nutritious but taste really good.> But there will be a natural shift to where the supportive foods are more> appealing more often and you will notice how good they make you feel> physically.> > I used to eat regardless of hunger, I didn't know what that was. My usual> finishing point in a meal would be an 8 on the hunger scale (the scale I> use, 8 is beyond full and the scale goes from 0 to 10). I would eat to a 9> or 10 when I was overeating or binging. 10 would send me to bed with a food> coma. Much to my surprise and happiness, I can no longer eat to a 9 or 10. I> just simply can't do it. I don't want to feel that way. If I overeat (yes,> it does happen on

occasion, no big deal), I may end up at an 8. What felt> normal before, now feels awful. I don't like being at an 8, I want to stop> when I'm satisfied (6-7 for me) because it feels good. This is possible for> all of you and you'll be just as surprised when you get there. I promise!> > I didn't intend for this to be so long. I guess I have a good start to that> book I'll write some day. I do hope this is helpful, I've been at this for a> long time. I began my own IE journey in 1999 and have been coaching on it> for many years so I've seen what is possible and I know it in my heart. You> are all here because you are ready to be here and whatever you are dealing> with will help make you stronger. Take advantage of the learning experiences> each challenge brings. Try to avoid beating yourself up and instead ask> yourself what can you learn from this situation. >

> I'll write another post with some simple ideas and tips that may be helpful> in getting through this early stage of IE.> > > Thanks!> Gillian> Gillian Hood-son, MS, ACSM> > Get your report, "The 6 Steps to Guilt-Fr*e Eating" at> http://www.Healthie rOutcomes. com <http://www.healthie routcomes. com/> > Follow me on Twitter: <http://www.twitter. com/gillianhood>> http://www.twitter. com/gillianhood>

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