RE: Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the Inside

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue,

Yes I know what you mean about needing something with fiber, fat and protein. I'm not depriving myself of cake, for example, but if I only eat cake, I do notice that I'm eating the equivalent of 2 1/2 to 3 pieces before I start to feel even a little sense of satiation; and I eat it very, very slowly. I had become frustrated with my lack of feeling a nice, comfortable satiation, and then I discovered a nice piece of cake and a half g.f. really and truly does give me a nice, comfortable full feeling. I swear I'm not trying to diet or lose weight!! I just want to feel a little full. Do you know how frustrating it is to feel, I swear, no different from the first to the last bite?!? With cake or tira misu that's how it is; first bite and last and I feel like I put nothing in my stomach! So the food with fiber solves that problem nicely. Same thing happens with french toast made with white bread; I just

don't feel like I ate anything! So i'll have it made with a whole grain bread instead.

So I'm with you on voting for the stomach and not only the tastebuds.

Laurie

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 4:12:40 PMSubject: Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the Inside

Hi Lori: I also need fiber as well as taste (plus fats and protein) to feel satisfied and full when I eat. If I wait until I feel hungry and just eat low fiber, high sugar foods, I will feel even hungrier after eating and may even get low blood sugar symptoms within an hour or so. So I save those high sugar, sweet treats to eat as DESSERT after a satisfying high fiber, protein, fat containing meal. I keep those meals small but balanced when I plan to eat dessert. So I don't feel totally full before I eat dessert and don't feel stuffed after eating my dessert.When I choose a food intuitively, I try to consider what the food will taste like in my mouth AS WELL AS what the food will feel like in my stomach. WWSHTB calls that 'voting for the inside'. However, I need to eat without distractions often enough to notice how the food feels as well as how the food tastes. Everytime I focus on tastes and feelings while eating, I collect information about

each food which will help me decide what to eat later.SUE> >>> >> Hi Abby-thanks for your thoughts...I sooooo wish I was ready to buy a large> >> amount of off-limits food and do what you've advised...I don't trust myself> >> yet. Just ordered the book Intuitive Eating (not available at my library)> >> and am hoping to make progress on that soon. I want to be brave!!!! Or I> >> guess I want food to just be a normal part of my life. I will let you know> >> the day I am able to do what you've said here--I'm looking forward to it. My> >> son will look forward to it too--he always wants to bake cookies, brownies,> >> etc. and I usually find some excuse because I am afraid I'll eat it all (and> >> I usually do when we do bake). But I am

hopeful this will change soon!!!!> >> Thanks for the welcome. Ginger> >> >>> >> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue,

Yes I know what you mean about needing something with fiber, fat and protein. I'm not depriving myself of cake, for example, but if I only eat cake, I do notice that I'm eating the equivalent of 2 1/2 to 3 pieces before I start to feel even a little sense of satiation; and I eat it very, very slowly. I had become frustrated with my lack of feeling a nice, comfortable satiation, and then I discovered a nice piece of cake and a half g.f. really and truly does give me a nice, comfortable full feeling. I swear I'm not trying to diet or lose weight!! I just want to feel a little full. Do you know how frustrating it is to feel, I swear, no different from the first to the last bite?!? With cake or tira misu that's how it is; first bite and last and I feel like I put nothing in my stomach! So the food with fiber solves that problem nicely. Same thing happens with french toast made with white bread; I just

don't feel like I ate anything! So i'll have it made with a whole grain bread instead.

So I'm with you on voting for the stomach and not only the tastebuds.

Laurie

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 4:12:40 PMSubject: Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the Inside

Hi Lori: I also need fiber as well as taste (plus fats and protein) to feel satisfied and full when I eat. If I wait until I feel hungry and just eat low fiber, high sugar foods, I will feel even hungrier after eating and may even get low blood sugar symptoms within an hour or so. So I save those high sugar, sweet treats to eat as DESSERT after a satisfying high fiber, protein, fat containing meal. I keep those meals small but balanced when I plan to eat dessert. So I don't feel totally full before I eat dessert and don't feel stuffed after eating my dessert.When I choose a food intuitively, I try to consider what the food will taste like in my mouth AS WELL AS what the food will feel like in my stomach. WWSHTB calls that 'voting for the inside'. However, I need to eat without distractions often enough to notice how the food feels as well as how the food tastes. Everytime I focus on tastes and feelings while eating, I collect information about

each food which will help me decide what to eat later.SUE> >>> >> Hi Abby-thanks for your thoughts...I sooooo wish I was ready to buy a large> >> amount of off-limits food and do what you've advised...I don't trust myself> >> yet. Just ordered the book Intuitive Eating (not available at my library)> >> and am hoping to make progress on that soon. I want to be brave!!!! Or I> >> guess I want food to just be a normal part of my life. I will let you know> >> the day I am able to do what you've said here--I'm looking forward to it. My> >> son will look forward to it too--he always wants to bake cookies, brownies,> >> etc. and I usually find some excuse because I am afraid I'll eat it all (and> >> I usually do when we do bake). But I am

hopeful this will change soon!!!!> >> Thanks for the welcome. Ginger> >> >>> >> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue,

Yes I know what you mean about needing something with fiber, fat and protein. I'm not depriving myself of cake, for example, but if I only eat cake, I do notice that I'm eating the equivalent of 2 1/2 to 3 pieces before I start to feel even a little sense of satiation; and I eat it very, very slowly. I had become frustrated with my lack of feeling a nice, comfortable satiation, and then I discovered a nice piece of cake and a half g.f. really and truly does give me a nice, comfortable full feeling. I swear I'm not trying to diet or lose weight!! I just want to feel a little full. Do you know how frustrating it is to feel, I swear, no different from the first to the last bite?!? With cake or tira misu that's how it is; first bite and last and I feel like I put nothing in my stomach! So the food with fiber solves that problem nicely. Same thing happens with french toast made with white bread; I just

don't feel like I ate anything! So i'll have it made with a whole grain bread instead.

So I'm with you on voting for the stomach and not only the tastebuds.

Laurie

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 4:12:40 PMSubject: Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the Inside

Hi Lori: I also need fiber as well as taste (plus fats and protein) to feel satisfied and full when I eat. If I wait until I feel hungry and just eat low fiber, high sugar foods, I will feel even hungrier after eating and may even get low blood sugar symptoms within an hour or so. So I save those high sugar, sweet treats to eat as DESSERT after a satisfying high fiber, protein, fat containing meal. I keep those meals small but balanced when I plan to eat dessert. So I don't feel totally full before I eat dessert and don't feel stuffed after eating my dessert.When I choose a food intuitively, I try to consider what the food will taste like in my mouth AS WELL AS what the food will feel like in my stomach. WWSHTB calls that 'voting for the inside'. However, I need to eat without distractions often enough to notice how the food feels as well as how the food tastes. Everytime I focus on tastes and feelings while eating, I collect information about

each food which will help me decide what to eat later.SUE> >>> >> Hi Abby-thanks for your thoughts...I sooooo wish I was ready to buy a large> >> amount of off-limits food and do what you've advised...I don't trust myself> >> yet. Just ordered the book Intuitive Eating (not available at my library)> >> and am hoping to make progress on that soon. I want to be brave!!!! Or I> >> guess I want food to just be a normal part of my life. I will let you know> >> the day I am able to do what you've said here--I'm looking forward to it. My> >> son will look forward to it too--he always wants to bake cookies, brownies,> >> etc. and I usually find some excuse because I am afraid I'll eat it all (and> >> I usually do when we do bake). But I am

hopeful this will change soon!!!!> >> Thanks for the welcome. Ginger> >> >>> >> >>

[Guest guest]

Hate to jump in so late on this thread, but…

I agree with the concept of “voting with the stomach†but I’m

finding it hard to learn how to do it.  I’m slowly getting there I guess but

all too often the instant gratification of the taste loses out to how it’s

going to feel (and how I’m going to feel) after I eat it.

When I sit here right now, not hungry, and think about what I

want to eat the next time I am hungry I want balance, fresh flavors and

nutrition.  When I get hungry peanut butter filled pretzels, fried food and

other less nutritionally advantageous foods sound appealing.

Is there some way to speed up this learning process or is it

just something that my brain and body have to negotiate together over time?

From: IntuitiveEating_Support

[mailto:IntuitiveEating_Support ] On Behalf Of lori

Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 9:49 PM

To: IntuitiveEating_Support

Subject: Re: Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting

for the Inside

Hi Sue,

Yes I know what you mean about needing something with fiber,

fat and protein. I'm not depriving myself of cake, for example, but if I

only eat cake, I do notice that I'm eating the equivalent of 2 1/2 to 3 pieces

before I start to feel even a little sense of satiation; and I eat it very,

very slowly. I had become frustrated with my lack of feeling a nice,

comfortable satiation, and then I discovered a nice piece of cake and a half

g.f. really and truly does give me a nice, comfortable full feeling. I

swear I'm not trying to diet or lose weight!! I just want to feel a

little full. Do you know how frustrating it is to feel, I swear, no

different from the first to the last bite?!? With cake or tira misu

that's how it is; first bite and last and I feel like I put nothing in my

stomach! So the food with fiber solves that problem nicely. Same

thing happens with french toast made with white bread; I just don't feel like I

ate anything! So i'll have it made with a whole grain bread instead.

So I'm with you on voting for the stomach and not only the

tastebuds.

Laurie

From: sue

To: IntuitiveEating_Support

Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 4:12:40 PM

Subject: Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting

for the Inside

Hi Lori: I also need fiber as well as taste

(plus fats and protein) to feel satisfied and full when I eat. If I wait until

I feel hungry and just eat low fiber, high sugar foods, I will feel even

hungrier after eating and may even get low blood sugar symptoms within an hour

or so. So I save those high sugar, sweet treats to eat as DESSERT after a

satisfying high fiber, protein, fat containing meal. I keep those meals small

but balanced when I plan to eat dessert. So I don't feel totally full before I

eat dessert and don't feel stuffed after eating my dessert.

When I choose a food intuitively, I try to consider what the food will taste

like in my mouth AS WELL AS what the food will feel like in my stomach. WWSHTB

calls that 'voting for the inside'. However, I need to eat without distractions

often enough to notice how the food feels as well as how the food tastes.

Everytime I focus on tastes and feelings while eating, I collect information

about each food which will help me decide what to eat later.

SUE

> >>

> >> Hi Abby-thanks for your thoughts...I sooooo wish I was ready to

buy a large

> >> amount of off-limits food and do what you've advised...I don't

trust myself

> >> yet. Just ordered the book Intuitive Eating (not available at my

library)

> >> and am hoping to make progress on that soon. I want to be

brave!!!! Or I

> >> guess I want food to just be a normal part of my life. I will let

you know

> >> the day I am able to do what you've said here--I'm looking

forward to it. My

> >> son will look forward to it too--he always wants to bake cookies,

brownies,

> >> etc. and I usually find some excuse because I am afraid I'll eat

it all (and

> >> I usually do when we do bake). But I am hopeful this will change

soon!!!!

> >> Thanks for the welcome. Ginger

> >

> >>

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I think I had to know that I wasn't going to ever again deprive myself or restrict anything again; until I was totally sure of this, I couldn't even begin to consider stomach along with tastebuds. So that's really key. And then it's about experimentation; I'd say think of a humongous buffet and let your variety of possible food choices become more and more expansive. If you love pretzels and peanut butter, then sometime, when you don't absolutely WANT the pretzel, try a nice, fresh bakery whole grain toast and p & j. and a fresh fruit along with it. Just notice how different foods affect you and you won't have to try to "get healthy"; you'll be responding to what you notice about how foods affect your body, your feeling of satiety, and how long a food

"sticks" after you've eaten it.

For example if i really want tira misu I definitely have it, and I make sure it's of a size that is not what i would consider deprivational; if that fills me great, and if not I have a bit of fruit with it. If i am deciding between tira misu and my favorite yummy yogurt with museli and whole grain granola (and it is truly delicious and NOT a diet food), if I really don't want the tira misu over the yogurt, then I choose the yogurt because, unlike the tira misu, it really fills me and I really do get a comfortable satiety feeling from it! I'm guessing it is because there's fiber in it. But I couldn't do this if I thought I was restricting the tira misu and that's why I buy more of it the second I run out. And I have it if I really want it. It's in the fridge right now along with cake and peach pie :.) I also have dried fruit (mango, papaya), fresh fruit (grapes, grapefruit, apples), veggies (carrots, peppers,

tomato, broccoli), nuts, organic yogurt, organic 1 % milk, spring mix, chicken for stir-fry. I have choc covered cherries, reeses peanut butter cups, key lime cookies and biscotti. That's what I mean by right down the middle; plenty of all sorts of foods to choose from. I'm not going to spend the rest of my life eating only cake and then cake and then more cake! But if I want it I will have it! Why would I want it all the time? That would only happen if my mind wasn't open to all the possible choices.

Laurie

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 10:55:08 PMSubject: RE: Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the Inside

Hate to jump in so late on this thread, but…

I agree with the concept of “voting with the stomach†but I’m finding it hard to learn how to do it. I’m slowly getting there I guess but all too often the instant gratification of the taste loses out to how it’s going to feel (and how I’m going to feel) after I eat it.

When I sit here right now, not hungry, and think about what I want to eat the next time I am hungry I want balance, fresh flavors and nutrition. When I get hungry peanut butter filled pretzels, fried food and other less nutritionally advantageous foods sound appealing.

Is there some way to speed up this learning process or is it just something that my brain and body have to negotiate together over time?

From: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:IntuitiveEa ting_Support@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of loriSent: Monday, March 08, 2010 9:49 PMTo: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.comSubject: Re: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the Inside

Hi Sue,

Yes I know what you mean about needing something with fiber, fat and protein. I'm not depriving myself of cake, for example, but if I only eat cake, I do notice that I'm eating the equivalent of 2 1/2 to 3 pieces before I start to feel even a little sense of satiation; and I eat it very, very slowly. I had become frustrated with my lack of feeling a nice, comfortable satiation, and then I discovered a nice piece of cake and a half g.f. really and truly does give me a nice, comfortable full feeling. I swear I'm not trying to diet or lose weight!! I just want to feel a little full. Do you know how frustrating it is to feel, I swear, no different from the first to the last bite?!? With cake or tira misu that's how it is; first bite and last and I feel like I put nothing in my stomach! So the food with fiber solves that problem nicely. Same thing happens with french toast made with white

bread; I just don't feel like I ate anything! So i'll have it made with a whole grain bread instead.

So I'm with you on voting for the stomach and not only the tastebuds.

Laurie

From: sue <penguineahotmail (DOT) com>To: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.comSent: Mon, March 8, 2010 4:12:40 PMSubject: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the Inside

Hi Lori: I also need fiber as well as taste (plus fats and protein) to feel satisfied and full when I eat. If I wait until I feel hungry and just eat low fiber, high sugar foods, I will feel even hungrier after eating and may even get low blood sugar symptoms within an hour or so. So I save those high sugar, sweet treats to eat as DESSERT after a satisfying high fiber, protein, fat containing meal. I keep those meals small but balanced when I plan to eat dessert. So I don't feel totally full before I eat dessert and don't feel stuffed after eating my dessert.When I choose a food intuitively, I try to consider what the food will taste like in my mouth AS WELL AS what the food will feel like in my stomach. WWSHTB calls that 'voting for the inside'. However, I need to eat without distractions often enough to notice how the food feels as well as how the food tastes. Everytime I focus on tastes and feelings while eating, I collect information about

each food which will help me decide what to eat later.SUE> >>> >> Hi Abby-thanks for your thoughts...I sooooo wish I was ready to buy a large> >> amount of off-limits food and do what you've advised...I don't trust myself> >> yet. Just ordered the book Intuitive Eating (not available at my library)> >> and am hoping to make progress on that soon. I want to be brave!!!! Or I> >> guess I want food to just be a normal part of my life. I will let you know> >> the day I am able to do what you've said here--I'm looking forward to it. My> >> son will look forward to it too--he always wants to bake cookies, brownies,> >> etc. and I usually find some excuse because I am afraid I'll eat it all (and> >> I usually do when

we do bake). But I am hopeful this will change soon!!!!> >> Thanks for the welcome. Ginger> >> >>> >> >>

[Guest guest]

I think I had to know that I wasn't going to ever again deprive myself or restrict anything again; until I was totally sure of this, I couldn't even begin to consider stomach along with tastebuds. So that's really key. And then it's about experimentation; I'd say think of a humongous buffet and let your variety of possible food choices become more and more expansive. If you love pretzels and peanut butter, then sometime, when you don't absolutely WANT the pretzel, try a nice, fresh bakery whole grain toast and p & j. and a fresh fruit along with it. Just notice how different foods affect you and you won't have to try to "get healthy"; you'll be responding to what you notice about how foods affect your body, your feeling of satiety, and how long a food

"sticks" after you've eaten it.

For example if i really want tira misu I definitely have it, and I make sure it's of a size that is not what i would consider deprivational; if that fills me great, and if not I have a bit of fruit with it. If i am deciding between tira misu and my favorite yummy yogurt with museli and whole grain granola (and it is truly delicious and NOT a diet food), if I really don't want the tira misu over the yogurt, then I choose the yogurt because, unlike the tira misu, it really fills me and I really do get a comfortable satiety feeling from it! I'm guessing it is because there's fiber in it. But I couldn't do this if I thought I was restricting the tira misu and that's why I buy more of it the second I run out. And I have it if I really want it. It's in the fridge right now along with cake and peach pie :.) I also have dried fruit (mango, papaya), fresh fruit (grapes, grapefruit, apples), veggies (carrots, peppers,

tomato, broccoli), nuts, organic yogurt, organic 1 % milk, spring mix, chicken for stir-fry. I have choc covered cherries, reeses peanut butter cups, key lime cookies and biscotti. That's what I mean by right down the middle; plenty of all sorts of foods to choose from. I'm not going to spend the rest of my life eating only cake and then cake and then more cake! But if I want it I will have it! Why would I want it all the time? That would only happen if my mind wasn't open to all the possible choices.

Laurie

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 10:55:08 PMSubject: RE: Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the Inside

Hate to jump in so late on this thread, but…

I agree with the concept of “voting with the stomach†but I’m finding it hard to learn how to do it. I’m slowly getting there I guess but all too often the instant gratification of the taste loses out to how it’s going to feel (and how I’m going to feel) after I eat it.

When I sit here right now, not hungry, and think about what I want to eat the next time I am hungry I want balance, fresh flavors and nutrition. When I get hungry peanut butter filled pretzels, fried food and other less nutritionally advantageous foods sound appealing.

Is there some way to speed up this learning process or is it just something that my brain and body have to negotiate together over time?

From: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:IntuitiveEa ting_Support@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of loriSent: Monday, March 08, 2010 9:49 PMTo: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.comSubject: Re: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the Inside

Hi Sue,

Yes I know what you mean about needing something with fiber, fat and protein. I'm not depriving myself of cake, for example, but if I only eat cake, I do notice that I'm eating the equivalent of 2 1/2 to 3 pieces before I start to feel even a little sense of satiation; and I eat it very, very slowly. I had become frustrated with my lack of feeling a nice, comfortable satiation, and then I discovered a nice piece of cake and a half g.f. really and truly does give me a nice, comfortable full feeling. I swear I'm not trying to diet or lose weight!! I just want to feel a little full. Do you know how frustrating it is to feel, I swear, no different from the first to the last bite?!? With cake or tira misu that's how it is; first bite and last and I feel like I put nothing in my stomach! So the food with fiber solves that problem nicely. Same thing happens with french toast made with white

bread; I just don't feel like I ate anything! So i'll have it made with a whole grain bread instead.

So I'm with you on voting for the stomach and not only the tastebuds.

Laurie

From: sue <penguineahotmail (DOT) com>To: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.comSent: Mon, March 8, 2010 4:12:40 PMSubject: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the Inside

Hi Lori: I also need fiber as well as taste (plus fats and protein) to feel satisfied and full when I eat. If I wait until I feel hungry and just eat low fiber, high sugar foods, I will feel even hungrier after eating and may even get low blood sugar symptoms within an hour or so. So I save those high sugar, sweet treats to eat as DESSERT after a satisfying high fiber, protein, fat containing meal. I keep those meals small but balanced when I plan to eat dessert. So I don't feel totally full before I eat dessert and don't feel stuffed after eating my dessert.When I choose a food intuitively, I try to consider what the food will taste like in my mouth AS WELL AS what the food will feel like in my stomach. WWSHTB calls that 'voting for the inside'. However, I need to eat without distractions often enough to notice how the food feels as well as how the food tastes. Everytime I focus on tastes and feelings while eating, I collect information about

each food which will help me decide what to eat later.SUE> >>> >> Hi Abby-thanks for your thoughts...I sooooo wish I was ready to buy a large> >> amount of off-limits food and do what you've advised...I don't trust myself> >> yet. Just ordered the book Intuitive Eating (not available at my library)> >> and am hoping to make progress on that soon. I want to be brave!!!! Or I> >> guess I want food to just be a normal part of my life. I will let you know> >> the day I am able to do what you've said here--I'm looking forward to it. My> >> son will look forward to it too--he always wants to bake cookies, brownies,> >> etc. and I usually find some excuse because I am afraid I'll eat it all (and> >> I usually do when

we do bake). But I am hopeful this will change soon!!!!> >> Thanks for the welcome. Ginger> >> >>> >> >>

[Guest guest]

That’s really exceptionally well put Laurie.  Thank you.

I guess my mind still hasn’t really accepted that this is a

permanent thing.  Perhaps it’s still seeing this lack of restriction as a

vacation from what it’s used to rather than a new lifestyle.  Is this just a

matter of time and practice?

From:

IntuitiveEating_Support

[mailto:IntuitiveEating_Support ] On Behalf Of lori

Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:33 PM

To: IntuitiveEating_Support

Subject: Re: Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods:

Voting for the Inside

I think I had to know that I wasn't going to ever again

deprive myself or restrict anything again; until I was totally sure of this, I

couldn't even begin to consider stomach along with tastebuds. So that's

really key. And then it's about experimentation; I'd say think of a

humongous buffet and let your variety of possible food choices become more and

more expansive. If you love pretzels and peanut butter, then sometime,

when you don't absolutely WANT the pretzel, try a nice, fresh bakery whole

grain toast and p & j. and a fresh fruit along with it. Just

notice how different foods affect you and you won't have to try to " get

healthy " ; you'll be responding to what you notice about how foods affect

your body, your feeling of satiety, and how long a food " sticks "

after you've eaten it.

For example if i really want tira misu I definitely have it,

and I make sure it's of a size that is not what i would consider deprivational;

if that fills me great, and if not I have a bit of fruit with it. If i am

deciding between tira misu and my favorite yummy yogurt with museli and whole

grain granola (and it is truly delicious and NOT a diet food), if I really

don't want the tira misu over the yogurt, then I choose the yogurt because,

unlike the tira misu, it really fills me and I really do get a comfortable

satiety feeling from it! I'm guessing it is because there's fiber in

it. But I couldn't do this if I thought I was restricting the tira misu

and that's why I buy more of it the second I run out. And I have it if I

really want it. It's in the fridge right now along with cake and peach

pie :.) I also have dried fruit (mango, papaya), fresh fruit (grapes,

grapefruit, apples), veggies (carrots, peppers, tomato, broccoli), nuts,

organic yogurt, organic 1 % milk, spring mix, chicken for stir-fry.

I have choc covered cherries, reeses peanut butter cups, key lime cookies and

biscotti. That's what I mean by right down the middle; plenty of all

sorts of foods to choose from. I'm not going to spend the rest of my life

eating only cake and then cake and then more cake! But if I want it I

will have it! Why would I want it all the time? That would only

happen if my mind wasn't open to all the possible choices.

Laurie

From: Karlen

To: IntuitiveEating_Support

Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 10:55:08 PM

Subject: RE: Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods:

Voting for the Inside

Hate to jump in so late on this thread,

but…

I agree with the concept of “voting with

the stomach†but I’m finding it hard to learn how to do it. I’m slowly

getting there I guess but all too often the instant gratification of the taste

loses out to how it’s going to feel (and how I’m going to feel) after I eat it.

When I sit here right now, not hungry,

and think about what I want to eat the next time I am hungry I want balance,

fresh flavors and nutrition. When I get hungry peanut butter filled

pretzels, fried food and other less nutritionally advantageous foods sound

appealing.

Is there some way to speed up this

learning process or is it just something that my brain and body have to negotiate

together over time?

From:

IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.com

[mailto:IntuitiveEa ting_Support@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of lori

Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 9:49 PM

To: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.com

Subject: Re: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods:

Voting for the Inside

Hi

Sue,

Yes

I know what you mean about needing something with fiber, fat and protein.

I'm not depriving myself of cake, for example, but if I only eat cake, I do

notice that I'm eating the equivalent of 2 1/2 to 3 pieces before I start to

feel even a little sense of satiation; and I eat it very, very slowly. I

had become frustrated with my lack of feeling a nice, comfortable satiation,

and then I discovered a nice piece of cake and a half g.f. really and truly

does give me a nice, comfortable full feeling. I swear I'm not trying to

diet or lose weight!! I just want to feel a little full. Do you

know how frustrating it is to feel, I swear, no different from the first to the

last bite?!? With cake or tira misu that's how it is; first bite and last

and I feel like I put nothing in my stomach! So the food with fiber

solves that problem nicely. Same thing happens with french toast made

with white bread; I just don't feel like I ate anything! So i'll have it

made with a whole grain bread instead.

So

I'm with you on voting for the stomach and not only the tastebuds.

Laurie

From: sue

<penguineahotmail (DOT) com>

To: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.com

Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 4:12:40 PM

Subject: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting

for the Inside

Hi Lori: I also need fiber as well as taste (plus fats and protein) to feel

satisfied and full when I eat. If I wait until I feel hungry and just eat low

fiber, high sugar foods, I will feel even hungrier after eating and may even

get low blood sugar symptoms within an hour or so. So I save those high sugar,

sweet treats to eat as DESSERT after a satisfying high fiber, protein, fat

containing meal. I keep those meals small but balanced when I plan to eat

dessert. So I don't feel totally full before I eat dessert and don't feel

stuffed after eating my dessert.

When I choose a food intuitively, I try to consider what the food will taste

like in my mouth AS WELL AS what the food will feel like in my stomach. WWSHTB

calls that 'voting for the inside'. However, I need to eat without distractions

often enough to notice how the food feels as well as how the food tastes.

Everytime I focus on tastes and feelings while eating, I collect information

about each food which will help me decide what to eat later.

SUE

> >>

> >> Hi Abby-thanks for your thoughts...I sooooo wish I was ready to

buy a large

> >> amount of off-limits food and do what you've advised...I don't

trust myself

> >> yet. Just ordered the book Intuitive Eating (not available at my

library)

> >> and am hoping to make progress on that soon. I want to be

brave!!!! Or I

> >> guess I want food to just be a normal part of my life. I will let

you know

> >> the day I am able to do what you've said here--I'm looking

forward to it. My

> >> son will look forward to it too--he always wants to bake cookies,

brownies,

> >> etc. and I usually find some excuse because I am afraid I'll eat

it all (and

> >> I usually do when we do bake). But I am hopeful this will change

soon!!!!

> >> Thanks for the welcome. Ginger

> >

> >>

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That’s really exceptionally well put Laurie.  Thank you.

I guess my mind still hasn’t really accepted that this is a

permanent thing.  Perhaps it’s still seeing this lack of restriction as a

vacation from what it’s used to rather than a new lifestyle.  Is this just a

matter of time and practice?

From:

IntuitiveEating_Support

[mailto:IntuitiveEating_Support ] On Behalf Of lori

Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:33 PM

To: IntuitiveEating_Support

Subject: Re: Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods:

Voting for the Inside

I think I had to know that I wasn't going to ever again

deprive myself or restrict anything again; until I was totally sure of this, I

couldn't even begin to consider stomach along with tastebuds. So that's

really key. And then it's about experimentation; I'd say think of a

humongous buffet and let your variety of possible food choices become more and

more expansive. If you love pretzels and peanut butter, then sometime,

when you don't absolutely WANT the pretzel, try a nice, fresh bakery whole

grain toast and p & j. and a fresh fruit along with it. Just

notice how different foods affect you and you won't have to try to " get

healthy " ; you'll be responding to what you notice about how foods affect

your body, your feeling of satiety, and how long a food " sticks "

after you've eaten it.

For example if i really want tira misu I definitely have it,

and I make sure it's of a size that is not what i would consider deprivational;

if that fills me great, and if not I have a bit of fruit with it. If i am

deciding between tira misu and my favorite yummy yogurt with museli and whole

grain granola (and it is truly delicious and NOT a diet food), if I really

don't want the tira misu over the yogurt, then I choose the yogurt because,

unlike the tira misu, it really fills me and I really do get a comfortable

satiety feeling from it! I'm guessing it is because there's fiber in

it. But I couldn't do this if I thought I was restricting the tira misu

and that's why I buy more of it the second I run out. And I have it if I

really want it. It's in the fridge right now along with cake and peach

pie :.) I also have dried fruit (mango, papaya), fresh fruit (grapes,

grapefruit, apples), veggies (carrots, peppers, tomato, broccoli), nuts,

organic yogurt, organic 1 % milk, spring mix, chicken for stir-fry.

I have choc covered cherries, reeses peanut butter cups, key lime cookies and

biscotti. That's what I mean by right down the middle; plenty of all

sorts of foods to choose from. I'm not going to spend the rest of my life

eating only cake and then cake and then more cake! But if I want it I

will have it! Why would I want it all the time? That would only

happen if my mind wasn't open to all the possible choices.

Laurie

From: Karlen

To: IntuitiveEating_Support

Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 10:55:08 PM

Subject: RE: Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods:

Voting for the Inside

Hate to jump in so late on this thread,

but…

I agree with the concept of “voting with

the stomach†but I’m finding it hard to learn how to do it. I’m slowly

getting there I guess but all too often the instant gratification of the taste

loses out to how it’s going to feel (and how I’m going to feel) after I eat it.

When I sit here right now, not hungry,

and think about what I want to eat the next time I am hungry I want balance,

fresh flavors and nutrition. When I get hungry peanut butter filled

pretzels, fried food and other less nutritionally advantageous foods sound

appealing.

Is there some way to speed up this

learning process or is it just something that my brain and body have to negotiate

together over time?

From:

IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.com

[mailto:IntuitiveEa ting_Support@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of lori

Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 9:49 PM

To: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.com

Subject: Re: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods:

Voting for the Inside

Hi

Sue,

Yes

I know what you mean about needing something with fiber, fat and protein.

I'm not depriving myself of cake, for example, but if I only eat cake, I do

notice that I'm eating the equivalent of 2 1/2 to 3 pieces before I start to

feel even a little sense of satiation; and I eat it very, very slowly. I

had become frustrated with my lack of feeling a nice, comfortable satiation,

and then I discovered a nice piece of cake and a half g.f. really and truly

does give me a nice, comfortable full feeling. I swear I'm not trying to

diet or lose weight!! I just want to feel a little full. Do you

know how frustrating it is to feel, I swear, no different from the first to the

last bite?!? With cake or tira misu that's how it is; first bite and last

and I feel like I put nothing in my stomach! So the food with fiber

solves that problem nicely. Same thing happens with french toast made

with white bread; I just don't feel like I ate anything! So i'll have it

made with a whole grain bread instead.

So

I'm with you on voting for the stomach and not only the tastebuds.

Laurie

From: sue

<penguineahotmail (DOT) com>

To: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.com

Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 4:12:40 PM

Subject: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting

for the Inside

Hi Lori: I also need fiber as well as taste (plus fats and protein) to feel

satisfied and full when I eat. If I wait until I feel hungry and just eat low

fiber, high sugar foods, I will feel even hungrier after eating and may even

get low blood sugar symptoms within an hour or so. So I save those high sugar,

sweet treats to eat as DESSERT after a satisfying high fiber, protein, fat

containing meal. I keep those meals small but balanced when I plan to eat

dessert. So I don't feel totally full before I eat dessert and don't feel

stuffed after eating my dessert.

When I choose a food intuitively, I try to consider what the food will taste

like in my mouth AS WELL AS what the food will feel like in my stomach. WWSHTB

calls that 'voting for the inside'. However, I need to eat without distractions

often enough to notice how the food feels as well as how the food tastes.

Everytime I focus on tastes and feelings while eating, I collect information

about each food which will help me decide what to eat later.

SUE

> >>

> >> Hi Abby-thanks for your thoughts...I sooooo wish I was ready to

buy a large

> >> amount of off-limits food and do what you've advised...I don't

trust myself

> >> yet. Just ordered the book Intuitive Eating (not available at my

library)

> >> and am hoping to make progress on that soon. I want to be

brave!!!! Or I

> >> guess I want food to just be a normal part of my life. I will let

you know

> >> the day I am able to do what you've said here--I'm looking

forward to it. My

> >> son will look forward to it too--he always wants to bake cookies,

brownies,

> >> etc. and I usually find some excuse because I am afraid I'll eat

it all (and

> >> I usually do when we do bake). But I am hopeful this will change

soon!!!!

> >> Thanks for the welcome. Ginger

> >

> >>

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

You're right that if you've been dieting and you're now lifting all the restrictions and dieting rules, it's very understandable that your food choices would be towards foods you'd not been allowed. I think diets are all so extreme so when we finally allow all foods, of course we want what we hadn't been allowed.

It takes time to find that middle ground, and it's normal. That's why the authors say make sure you do eat what you want. I've been at this a very long time and so I can want a grapefruit as much as a cake, but you can imagine that after 18 years of strict dieting, almost anorexia, that I did not want a grapefruit initially and I did want the cake very, very often. It takes lots of time to find the middle ground so I think patience is a great quality to develop.

I had slipped into restricting processed foods a couple years ago, though before that I'd had years of OO and intuitive type eating. So I had to re-legalize those processed foods; I'm so glad I did. I'll never go back to restricting anything.

Laurie

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 12:36:59 AMSubject: RE: Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the Inside

That’s really exceptionally well put Laurie. Thank you.

I guess my mind still hasn’t really accepted that this is a permanent thing. Perhaps it’s still seeing this lack of restriction as a vacation from what it’s used to rather than a new lifestyle. Is this just a matter of time and practice?

From: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:IntuitiveEa ting_Support@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of loriSent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:33 PMTo: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.comSubject: Re: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the Inside

I think I had to know that I wasn't going to ever again deprive myself or restrict anything again; until I was totally sure of this, I couldn't even begin to consider stomach along with tastebuds. So that's really key. And then it's about experimentation; I'd say think of a humongous buffet and let your variety of possible food choices become more and more expansive. If you love pretzels and peanut butter, then sometime, when you don't absolutely WANT the pretzel, try a nice, fresh bakery whole grain toast and p & j. and a fresh fruit along with it. Just notice how different foods affect you and you won't have to try to "get healthy"; you'll be responding to what you notice about how foods affect your body, your feeling of satiety, and how long a food "sticks" after you've eaten it.

For example if i really want tira misu I definitely have it, and I make sure it's of a size that is not what i would consider deprivational; if that fills me great, and if not I have a bit of fruit with it. If i am deciding between tira misu and my favorite yummy yogurt with museli and whole grain granola (and it is truly delicious and NOT a diet food), if I really don't want the tira misu over the yogurt, then I choose the yogurt because, unlike the tira misu, it really fills me and I really do get a comfortable satiety feeling from it! I'm guessing it is because there's fiber in it. But I couldn't do this if I thought I was restricting the tira misu and that's why I buy more of it the second I run out. And I have it if I really want it. It's in the fridge right now along with cake and peach pie :.) I also have dried fruit (mango, papaya), fresh fruit (grapes, grapefruit, apples), veggies (carrots,

peppers, tomato, broccoli), nuts, organic yogurt, organic 1 % milk, spring mix, chicken for stir-fry. I have choc covered cherries, reeses peanut butter cups, key lime cookies and biscotti. That's what I mean by right down the middle; plenty of all sorts of foods to choose from. I'm not going to spend the rest of my life eating only cake and then cake and then more cake! But if I want it I will have it! Why would I want it all the time? That would only happen if my mind wasn't open to all the possible choices.

Laurie

From: Karlen <jkarlenkarlen (DOT) com>To: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.comSent: Mon, March 8, 2010 10:55:08 PMSubject: RE: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the Inside

Hate to jump in so late on this thread, but…

I agree with the concept of “voting with the stomach†but I’m finding it hard to learn how to do it. I’m slowly getting there I guess but all too often the instant gratification of the taste loses out to how it’s going to feel (and how I’m going to feel) after I eat it.

When I sit here right now, not hungry, and think about what I want to eat the next time I am hungry I want balance, fresh flavors and nutrition. When I get hungry peanut butter filled pretzels, fried food and other less nutritionally advantageous foods sound appealing.

Is there some way to speed up this learning process or is it just something that my brain and body have to negotiate together over time?

From: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:IntuitiveEa ting_Support@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of loriSent: Monday, March 08, 2010 9:49 PMTo: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.comSubject: Re: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the Inside

Hi Sue,

Yes I know what you mean about needing something with fiber, fat and protein. I'm not depriving myself of cake, for example, but if I only eat cake, I do notice that I'm eating the equivalent of 2 1/2 to 3 pieces before I start to feel even a little sense of satiation; and I eat it very, very slowly. I had become frustrated with my lack of feeling a nice, comfortable satiation, and then I discovered a nice piece of cake and a half g.f. really and truly does give me a nice, comfortable full feeling. I swear I'm not trying to diet or lose weight!! I just want to feel a little full. Do you know how frustrating it is to feel, I swear, no different from the first to the last bite?!? With cake or tira misu that's how it is; first bite and last and I feel like I put nothing in my stomach! So the food with fiber solves that problem nicely. Same thing happens with french toast made with white

bread; I just don't feel like I ate anything! So i'll have it made with a whole grain bread instead.

So I'm with you on voting for the stomach and not only the tastebuds.

Laurie

From: sue <penguineahotmail (DOT) com>To: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.comSent: Mon, March 8, 2010 4:12:40 PMSubject: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the Inside

Hi Lori: I also need fiber as well as taste (plus fats and protein) to feel satisfied and full when I eat. If I wait until I feel hungry and just eat low fiber, high sugar foods, I will feel even hungrier after eating and may even get low blood sugar symptoms within an hour or so. So I save those high sugar, sweet treats to eat as DESSERT after a satisfying high fiber, protein, fat containing meal. I keep those meals small but balanced when I plan to eat dessert. So I don't feel totally full before I eat dessert and don't feel stuffed after eating my dessert.When I choose a food intuitively, I try to consider what the food will taste like in my mouth AS WELL AS what the food will feel like in my stomach. WWSHTB calls that 'voting for the inside'. However, I need to eat without distractions often enough to notice how the food feels as well as how the food tastes. Everytime I focus on tastes and feelings while eating, I collect information about

each food which will help me decide what to eat later.SUE> >>> >> Hi Abby-thanks for your thoughts...I sooooo wish I was ready to buy a large> >> amount of off-limits food and do what you've advised...I don't trust myself> >> yet. Just ordered the book Intuitive Eating (not available at my library)> >> and am hoping to make progress on that soon. I want to be brave!!!! Or I> >> guess I want food to just be a normal part of my life. I will let you know> >> the day I am able to do what you've said here--I'm looking forward to it. My> >> son will look forward to it too--he always wants to bake cookies, brownies,> >> etc. and I usually find some excuse because I am afraid I'll eat it all (and> >> I usually do when

we do bake). But I am hopeful this will change soon!!!!> >> Thanks for the welcome. Ginger> >> >>> >> >>

[Guest guest]

You're right that if you've been dieting and you're now lifting all the restrictions and dieting rules, it's very understandable that your food choices would be towards foods you'd not been allowed. I think diets are all so extreme so when we finally allow all foods, of course we want what we hadn't been allowed.

It takes time to find that middle ground, and it's normal. That's why the authors say make sure you do eat what you want. I've been at this a very long time and so I can want a grapefruit as much as a cake, but you can imagine that after 18 years of strict dieting, almost anorexia, that I did not want a grapefruit initially and I did want the cake very, very often. It takes lots of time to find the middle ground so I think patience is a great quality to develop.

I had slipped into restricting processed foods a couple years ago, though before that I'd had years of OO and intuitive type eating. So I had to re-legalize those processed foods; I'm so glad I did. I'll never go back to restricting anything.

Laurie

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 12:36:59 AMSubject: RE: Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the Inside

That’s really exceptionally well put Laurie. Thank you.

I guess my mind still hasn’t really accepted that this is a permanent thing. Perhaps it’s still seeing this lack of restriction as a vacation from what it’s used to rather than a new lifestyle. Is this just a matter of time and practice?

From: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:IntuitiveEa ting_Support@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of loriSent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:33 PMTo: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.comSubject: Re: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the Inside

I think I had to know that I wasn't going to ever again deprive myself or restrict anything again; until I was totally sure of this, I couldn't even begin to consider stomach along with tastebuds. So that's really key. And then it's about experimentation; I'd say think of a humongous buffet and let your variety of possible food choices become more and more expansive. If you love pretzels and peanut butter, then sometime, when you don't absolutely WANT the pretzel, try a nice, fresh bakery whole grain toast and p & j. and a fresh fruit along with it. Just notice how different foods affect you and you won't have to try to "get healthy"; you'll be responding to what you notice about how foods affect your body, your feeling of satiety, and how long a food "sticks" after you've eaten it.

For example if i really want tira misu I definitely have it, and I make sure it's of a size that is not what i would consider deprivational; if that fills me great, and if not I have a bit of fruit with it. If i am deciding between tira misu and my favorite yummy yogurt with museli and whole grain granola (and it is truly delicious and NOT a diet food), if I really don't want the tira misu over the yogurt, then I choose the yogurt because, unlike the tira misu, it really fills me and I really do get a comfortable satiety feeling from it! I'm guessing it is because there's fiber in it. But I couldn't do this if I thought I was restricting the tira misu and that's why I buy more of it the second I run out. And I have it if I really want it. It's in the fridge right now along with cake and peach pie :.) I also have dried fruit (mango, papaya), fresh fruit (grapes, grapefruit, apples), veggies (carrots,

peppers, tomato, broccoli), nuts, organic yogurt, organic 1 % milk, spring mix, chicken for stir-fry. I have choc covered cherries, reeses peanut butter cups, key lime cookies and biscotti. That's what I mean by right down the middle; plenty of all sorts of foods to choose from. I'm not going to spend the rest of my life eating only cake and then cake and then more cake! But if I want it I will have it! Why would I want it all the time? That would only happen if my mind wasn't open to all the possible choices.

Laurie

From: Karlen <jkarlenkarlen (DOT) com>To: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.comSent: Mon, March 8, 2010 10:55:08 PMSubject: RE: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the Inside

Hate to jump in so late on this thread, but…

I agree with the concept of “voting with the stomach†but I’m finding it hard to learn how to do it. I’m slowly getting there I guess but all too often the instant gratification of the taste loses out to how it’s going to feel (and how I’m going to feel) after I eat it.

When I sit here right now, not hungry, and think about what I want to eat the next time I am hungry I want balance, fresh flavors and nutrition. When I get hungry peanut butter filled pretzels, fried food and other less nutritionally advantageous foods sound appealing.

Is there some way to speed up this learning process or is it just something that my brain and body have to negotiate together over time?

From: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:IntuitiveEa ting_Support@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of loriSent: Monday, March 08, 2010 9:49 PMTo: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.comSubject: Re: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the Inside

Hi Sue,

Yes I know what you mean about needing something with fiber, fat and protein. I'm not depriving myself of cake, for example, but if I only eat cake, I do notice that I'm eating the equivalent of 2 1/2 to 3 pieces before I start to feel even a little sense of satiation; and I eat it very, very slowly. I had become frustrated with my lack of feeling a nice, comfortable satiation, and then I discovered a nice piece of cake and a half g.f. really and truly does give me a nice, comfortable full feeling. I swear I'm not trying to diet or lose weight!! I just want to feel a little full. Do you know how frustrating it is to feel, I swear, no different from the first to the last bite?!? With cake or tira misu that's how it is; first bite and last and I feel like I put nothing in my stomach! So the food with fiber solves that problem nicely. Same thing happens with french toast made with white

bread; I just don't feel like I ate anything! So i'll have it made with a whole grain bread instead.

So I'm with you on voting for the stomach and not only the tastebuds.

Laurie

From: sue <penguineahotmail (DOT) com>To: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.comSent: Mon, March 8, 2010 4:12:40 PMSubject: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the Inside

Hi Lori: I also need fiber as well as taste (plus fats and protein) to feel satisfied and full when I eat. If I wait until I feel hungry and just eat low fiber, high sugar foods, I will feel even hungrier after eating and may even get low blood sugar symptoms within an hour or so. So I save those high sugar, sweet treats to eat as DESSERT after a satisfying high fiber, protein, fat containing meal. I keep those meals small but balanced when I plan to eat dessert. So I don't feel totally full before I eat dessert and don't feel stuffed after eating my dessert.When I choose a food intuitively, I try to consider what the food will taste like in my mouth AS WELL AS what the food will feel like in my stomach. WWSHTB calls that 'voting for the inside'. However, I need to eat without distractions often enough to notice how the food feels as well as how the food tastes. Everytime I focus on tastes and feelings while eating, I collect information about

each food which will help me decide what to eat later.SUE> >>> >> Hi Abby-thanks for your thoughts...I sooooo wish I was ready to buy a large> >> amount of off-limits food and do what you've advised...I don't trust myself> >> yet. Just ordered the book Intuitive Eating (not available at my library)> >> and am hoping to make progress on that soon. I want to be brave!!!! Or I> >> guess I want food to just be a normal part of my life. I will let you know> >> the day I am able to do what you've said here--I'm looking forward to it. My> >> son will look forward to it too--he always wants to bake cookies, brownies,> >> etc. and I usually find some excuse because I am afraid I'll eat it all (and> >> I usually do when

we do bake). But I am hopeful this will change soon!!!!> >> Thanks for the welcome. Ginger> >> >>> >> >>

[Guest guest]

You're right that if you've been dieting and you're now lifting all the restrictions and dieting rules, it's very understandable that your food choices would be towards foods you'd not been allowed. I think diets are all so extreme so when we finally allow all foods, of course we want what we hadn't been allowed.

It takes time to find that middle ground, and it's normal. That's why the authors say make sure you do eat what you want. I've been at this a very long time and so I can want a grapefruit as much as a cake, but you can imagine that after 18 years of strict dieting, almost anorexia, that I did not want a grapefruit initially and I did want the cake very, very often. It takes lots of time to find the middle ground so I think patience is a great quality to develop.

I had slipped into restricting processed foods a couple years ago, though before that I'd had years of OO and intuitive type eating. So I had to re-legalize those processed foods; I'm so glad I did. I'll never go back to restricting anything.

Laurie

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 12:36:59 AMSubject: RE: Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the Inside

That’s really exceptionally well put Laurie. Thank you.

I guess my mind still hasn’t really accepted that this is a permanent thing. Perhaps it’s still seeing this lack of restriction as a vacation from what it’s used to rather than a new lifestyle. Is this just a matter of time and practice?

From: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:IntuitiveEa ting_Support@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of loriSent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:33 PMTo: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.comSubject: Re: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the Inside

I think I had to know that I wasn't going to ever again deprive myself or restrict anything again; until I was totally sure of this, I couldn't even begin to consider stomach along with tastebuds. So that's really key. And then it's about experimentation; I'd say think of a humongous buffet and let your variety of possible food choices become more and more expansive. If you love pretzels and peanut butter, then sometime, when you don't absolutely WANT the pretzel, try a nice, fresh bakery whole grain toast and p & j. and a fresh fruit along with it. Just notice how different foods affect you and you won't have to try to "get healthy"; you'll be responding to what you notice about how foods affect your body, your feeling of satiety, and how long a food "sticks" after you've eaten it.

For example if i really want tira misu I definitely have it, and I make sure it's of a size that is not what i would consider deprivational; if that fills me great, and if not I have a bit of fruit with it. If i am deciding between tira misu and my favorite yummy yogurt with museli and whole grain granola (and it is truly delicious and NOT a diet food), if I really don't want the tira misu over the yogurt, then I choose the yogurt because, unlike the tira misu, it really fills me and I really do get a comfortable satiety feeling from it! I'm guessing it is because there's fiber in it. But I couldn't do this if I thought I was restricting the tira misu and that's why I buy more of it the second I run out. And I have it if I really want it. It's in the fridge right now along with cake and peach pie :.) I also have dried fruit (mango, papaya), fresh fruit (grapes, grapefruit, apples), veggies (carrots,

peppers, tomato, broccoli), nuts, organic yogurt, organic 1 % milk, spring mix, chicken for stir-fry. I have choc covered cherries, reeses peanut butter cups, key lime cookies and biscotti. That's what I mean by right down the middle; plenty of all sorts of foods to choose from. I'm not going to spend the rest of my life eating only cake and then cake and then more cake! But if I want it I will have it! Why would I want it all the time? That would only happen if my mind wasn't open to all the possible choices.

Laurie

From: Karlen <jkarlenkarlen (DOT) com>To: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.comSent: Mon, March 8, 2010 10:55:08 PMSubject: RE: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the Inside

Hate to jump in so late on this thread, but…

I agree with the concept of “voting with the stomach†but I’m finding it hard to learn how to do it. I’m slowly getting there I guess but all too often the instant gratification of the taste loses out to how it’s going to feel (and how I’m going to feel) after I eat it.

When I sit here right now, not hungry, and think about what I want to eat the next time I am hungry I want balance, fresh flavors and nutrition. When I get hungry peanut butter filled pretzels, fried food and other less nutritionally advantageous foods sound appealing.

Is there some way to speed up this learning process or is it just something that my brain and body have to negotiate together over time?

From: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:IntuitiveEa ting_Support@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of loriSent: Monday, March 08, 2010 9:49 PMTo: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.comSubject: Re: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the Inside

Hi Sue,

Yes I know what you mean about needing something with fiber, fat and protein. I'm not depriving myself of cake, for example, but if I only eat cake, I do notice that I'm eating the equivalent of 2 1/2 to 3 pieces before I start to feel even a little sense of satiation; and I eat it very, very slowly. I had become frustrated with my lack of feeling a nice, comfortable satiation, and then I discovered a nice piece of cake and a half g.f. really and truly does give me a nice, comfortable full feeling. I swear I'm not trying to diet or lose weight!! I just want to feel a little full. Do you know how frustrating it is to feel, I swear, no different from the first to the last bite?!? With cake or tira misu that's how it is; first bite and last and I feel like I put nothing in my stomach! So the food with fiber solves that problem nicely. Same thing happens with french toast made with white

bread; I just don't feel like I ate anything! So i'll have it made with a whole grain bread instead.

So I'm with you on voting for the stomach and not only the tastebuds.

Laurie

From: sue <penguineahotmail (DOT) com>To: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.comSent: Mon, March 8, 2010 4:12:40 PMSubject: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the Inside

Hi Lori: I also need fiber as well as taste (plus fats and protein) to feel satisfied and full when I eat. If I wait until I feel hungry and just eat low fiber, high sugar foods, I will feel even hungrier after eating and may even get low blood sugar symptoms within an hour or so. So I save those high sugar, sweet treats to eat as DESSERT after a satisfying high fiber, protein, fat containing meal. I keep those meals small but balanced when I plan to eat dessert. So I don't feel totally full before I eat dessert and don't feel stuffed after eating my dessert.When I choose a food intuitively, I try to consider what the food will taste like in my mouth AS WELL AS what the food will feel like in my stomach. WWSHTB calls that 'voting for the inside'. However, I need to eat without distractions often enough to notice how the food feels as well as how the food tastes. Everytime I focus on tastes and feelings while eating, I collect information about

each food which will help me decide what to eat later.SUE> >>> >> Hi Abby-thanks for your thoughts...I sooooo wish I was ready to buy a large> >> amount of off-limits food and do what you've advised...I don't trust myself> >> yet. Just ordered the book Intuitive Eating (not available at my library)> >> and am hoping to make progress on that soon. I want to be brave!!!! Or I> >> guess I want food to just be a normal part of my life. I will let you know> >> the day I am able to do what you've said here--I'm looking forward to it. My> >> son will look forward to it too--he always wants to bake cookies, brownies,> >> etc. and I usually find some excuse because I am afraid I'll eat it all (and> >> I usually do when

we do bake). But I am hopeful this will change soon!!!!> >> Thanks for the welcome. Ginger> >> >>> >> >>

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I'll try it and let you know :.)

Laurie

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 8:58:27 AMSubject: Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the Inside

Laurie, the combination of tira misu and grapefruit is a rather interesting combination, but it certainly has my vote. Just wondering what that slice would taste like with some fresh strawberries rather than the grapefruit.

Jeanne

[Guest guest]

I'll try it and let you know :.)

Laurie

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 8:58:27 AMSubject: Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the Inside

Laurie, the combination of tira misu and grapefruit is a rather interesting combination, but it certainly has my vote. Just wondering what that slice would taste like with some fresh strawberries rather than the grapefruit.

Jeanne

[Guest guest]

I'll try it and let you know :.)

Laurie

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 8:58:27 AMSubject: Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the Inside

Laurie, the combination of tira misu and grapefruit is a rather interesting combination, but it certainly has my vote. Just wondering what that slice would taste like with some fresh strawberries rather than the grapefruit.

Jeanne

[Guest guest]

another combination that is odd but good. Grapefruit and peanut butter

Sally

Subject: Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the InsideTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 8:58 AM

Laurie, the combination of tira misu and grapefruit is a rather interesting combination, but it certainly has my vote. Just wondering what that slice would taste like with some fresh strawberries rather than the grapefruit.

Jeanne

[Guest guest]

Wow, that sounds fabulous!

-----Original Message-----From: IntuitiveEating_Support [mailto:IntuitiveEating_Support ] On Behalf Of sueSent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 5:25 PMTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Subject: Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the Inside

I'm not a grapefruit lover ... too acidic for me. However, I depend on peanut butter and eat it for either breakfast or lunch every day. If I don't have it for breakfast (on a muffin with berries or fruit), I crave it for lunch (in a tortilla wrap with fruit). Peanut butter and grapefruit reminded me of my fav PB combo: PB and mango in a brown rice tortilla wrap. YUMMMEEE!SUE

[Guest guest]

Hi Sally,

I've never tried g.f. and pb, but you've piqued my curiousity and i'll have to try it :.)

Laurie

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 6:13:10 PMSubject: Re: Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the Inside

another combination that is odd but good. Grapefruit and peanut butter

Sally

From: J W ELLER <jimbodog02@bellsout h.net>Subject: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the InsideTo: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.comDate: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 8:58 AM

Laurie, the combination of tira misu and grapefruit is a rather interesting combination, but it certainly has my vote. Just wondering what that slice would taste like with some fresh strawberries rather than the grapefruit.

Jeanne

[Guest guest]

Hi Sally,

I've never tried g.f. and pb, but you've piqued my curiousity and i'll have to try it :.)

Laurie

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 6:13:10 PMSubject: Re: Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the Inside

another combination that is odd but good. Grapefruit and peanut butter

Sally

From: J W ELLER <jimbodog02@bellsout h.net>Subject: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the InsideTo: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.comDate: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 8:58 AM

Laurie, the combination of tira misu and grapefruit is a rather interesting combination, but it certainly has my vote. Just wondering what that slice would taste like with some fresh strawberries rather than the grapefruit.

Jeanne

[Guest guest]

Hi Sally,

I've never tried g.f. and pb, but you've piqued my curiousity and i'll have to try it :.)

Laurie

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 6:13:10 PMSubject: Re: Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the Inside

another combination that is odd but good. Grapefruit and peanut butter

Sally

From: J W ELLER <jimbodog02@bellsout h.net>Subject: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the InsideTo: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.comDate: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 8:58 AM

Laurie, the combination of tira misu and grapefruit is a rather interesting combination, but it certainly has my vote. Just wondering what that slice would taste like with some fresh strawberries rather than the grapefruit.

Jeanne

[Guest guest]

I love mango. And I crave peanut butter almost daily also. I'll have a couple new combinations to try out.

Laurie

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 6:24:32 PMSubject: Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the Inside

I'm not a grapefruit lover ... too acidic for me. However, I depend on peanut butter and eat it for either breakfast or lunch every day. If I don't have it for breakfast (on a muffin with berries or fruit), I crave it for lunch (in a tortilla wrap with fruit). Peanut butter and grapefruit reminded me of my fav PB combo: PB and mango in a brown rice tortilla wrap. YUMMMEEE!SUE

[Guest guest]

I love mango. And I crave peanut butter almost daily also. I'll have a couple new combinations to try out.

Laurie

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 6:24:32 PMSubject: Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the Inside

I'm not a grapefruit lover ... too acidic for me. However, I depend on peanut butter and eat it for either breakfast or lunch every day. If I don't have it for breakfast (on a muffin with berries or fruit), I crave it for lunch (in a tortilla wrap with fruit). Peanut butter and grapefruit reminded me of my fav PB combo: PB and mango in a brown rice tortilla wrap. YUMMMEEE!SUE

[Guest guest]

I love mango. And I crave peanut butter almost daily also. I'll have a couple new combinations to try out.

Laurie

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 6:24:32 PMSubject: Re: Slowly Legalizing Foods: Voting for the Inside

I'm not a grapefruit lover ... too acidic for me. However, I depend on peanut butter and eat it for either breakfast or lunch every day. If I don't have it for breakfast (on a muffin with berries or fruit), I crave it for lunch (in a tortilla wrap with fruit). Peanut butter and grapefruit reminded me of my fav PB combo: PB and mango in a brown rice tortilla wrap. YUMMMEEE!SUE

[Guest guest]

How about a southern favorite --- PB and banana sandwich. If I remember correctly, Elvis Presley loved PB and banana, but I think he liked his fried. (The fried part doesn't sound the least big appetizing, does it?)

Jeanne

[Guest guest]

How about a southern favorite --- PB and banana sandwich. If I remember correctly, Elvis Presley loved PB and banana, but I think he liked his fried. (The fried part doesn't sound the least big appetizing, does it?)

Jeanne

[Guest guest]

How about a southern favorite --- PB and banana sandwich. If I remember correctly, Elvis Presley loved PB and banana, but I think he liked his fried. (The fried part doesn't sound the least big appetizing, does it?)

Jeanne