Re: Rogene/Patty

[Guest guest]

Cherie ~

I have moving pain........the kefir has helped

greatly with the gas. I drink some twice a day.

I have chronic pancreatitis, and I am sure I

have gall stones and or liver stones. I cant do

a flush yet, cuz they dont want my heart to freak.

I am waiting til after explant.

You might want to ask your doc for a amylase and lipase

tests. With you not having a gallbladder, your

body is probably still not up to par from that.

Your body has been thru so very much in the last

couple years, it is just gonna take time, and lots of

it. You will get well !!!!! YOU WILL ~

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Beth,

Rogene is right .........this is immune disorders like digestive and sounds like Fibromyalgia .

You need to do a juice fast. So your body can have the nutrients to dump the bad toxins out.

Once you do this you will get better. Just remember you feel terible doing the fast but it takes the

energy out of you so it can heal the digestive tract. That means no chewing by mouth because this

makes acid and you dont want your body making acid right now. YOu want it to concentrate on

getting the toxins out so you can heal and feel better. Buy a juicer and juice your way to health.

Buy a book on juicing or Dr. Colberts fasting and Detoxification Book. Makes a great difference.

Take Care and Work on getting Better.

In a message dated 2/8/2008 4:56:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tommygirl18_1981@... writes:

Cherie - You sound alot like me. I do not have many of the other symptoms either. I ave some mild joint pain and brain fog but what is bothering me the most is my digestion. Seems like no matter what i do, I can not get it better. I was told I have IBS also, although, I KNOW I do not have it. I think I have a huge imbalance of bacteria in my gut from antibiotis, and the surgery itself. I have what feels like heart-burn in my stomach. However, since I have been on enzymes and probotics, it has not been as bad and any discomfort seems to feel like gas pressure now without the gas. It is lower in my stomach and jsut feels like pressure.

I am trying to find something that will heal my stomach also.....I just think in my ase it will take time and lots of probotics!!!! My cousin has IBS and our symtpoms are not the same at all. I also wonder sometimes if what I am doing for my stomach is right....it is like I am not sure what to do to make it heal and get better because nothing seems to work. Hang in there and maybe we can find something that will work for both of us!!!!!

Much Love,

Beth

Rogene/Patty

Hi Ladies,Since I am such an "unique" case, I wanted to pick your brains. Have you ever had anyone in the group or have read about anyone having abodminal pain that moves around? Now that I am not on the diet, I still have pain BUT it's in different places. What I mean is, I now have sinus pain, lower back pain along with the gas and bloating . When I'm on the diet, the pain is in the squeezing under my ribcage that goes all round my torse, pelvic pain along with bloating and gas...and of course lets not forget my constant burbing.I have always felt that I did not have the symptoms that most of the woman in this group have. No joint pain, brain fog, hair falling out, swollen lymph nodes, etc.....none of those things. Only IBS symptoms. I think that's why it took me so long to figure out that this maybe my implants. When I researched problems with implants it never talked about IBS but all the other symptoms that the other ladies have. I noticed in the first page of this forum, it does not mention IBS. Sometimes I wonder if I've even figured out my problem yet. Thanks for you implant!Cherie

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Thanks !

No sorry needed my dear! I need to hear this, your story is very

much like mine. I've always felt a bit of the odd one here. I'm not

sure if you've been explanted yet but I was last November and nothing

has changed. I have spent thousands upon thousands of dollars to get

better and still not even a slight change. I am so afraid that I will

run out of money and not be well. I really thought going to a ND

would at least treat my specific ailments but I only feel worse on

all the supplements he's given me. Just taking a probiotic turns my

insides upside down! Enzymes are extremely painful for me to take, I

have to avoid them. I'm going to see a colon hydrotherapist next week

however I do not get my hopes up anymore so I will wait to see if she

can help me. If it does, I will let you know! I keep going in

different directions to get better but I think I'm only going in

circles.

Thanks for your input!

Hugs.,

Cherie

> >

> > Hi Ladies,

> >

> > Since I am such an " unique " case, I wanted to pick your brains.

> Have

> > you ever had anyone in the group or have read about anyone having

> > abodminal pain that moves around? Now that I am not on the diet,

> I

> > still have pain BUT it's in different places. What I mean is, I

> now

> > have sinus pain, lower back pain along with the gas and

bloating .

> > When I'm on the diet, the pain is in the squeezing under my

> ribcage

> > that goes all round my torse, pelvic pain along with bloating and

> > gas...and of course lets not forget my constant burbing.

> >

> > I have always felt that I did not have the symptoms that most of

> the

> > woman in this group have. No joint pain, brain fog, hair falling

> > out, swollen lymph nodes, etc.....none of those things. Only IBS

> > symptoms. I think that's why it took me so long to figure out

that

> > this maybe my implants. When I researched problems with implants

> it

> > never talked about IBS but all the other symptoms that the other

> > ladies have. I noticed in the first page of this forum, it does

> not

> > mention IBS. Sometimes I wonder if I've even figured out my

> problem

> > yet.

> >

> > Thanks for you implant!

> > Cherie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Cherie,Reasoning would say that you're lucky . .. since you don't have all the other symptoms.And, that, since your pain is related to your stomach, that it's basically digestive issues you're dealing with. It's apparent that your digestive system doesn't like most supplements . . . the fact that you're burping a lot would point in that direction too. Have you considered fasting? . . . The bad organisms starve to death on a fast . . . I'd take another look at things that would help build a healthy digestive system . . . Then try them slowly. . . . But you may want to clean the old stuff out first. . . liver/gall bladder flushes, coffee enemas, colonics, etc.

Hugs,Rogene

[Guest guest]

Hi Rogene,

Thanks for your input! I feel about the same as I do being on the

diet and supplements. Pain is just in different areas. My pain moves

around, apparently it likes to " travel " . It needs to pack it's

suitcase and go home!

I'm still taking probiotics but as usual having trouble digesting it.

My body is very backwards, I put good things in it and just gets

worse. I had hoped that being on the diet a while it would come

around and start working better with the " good " foods, but no change.

Hugs,

Cherie

-- In , saxony01 <saxony01@...> wrote:

>

> Actually, IBS is very common among implant women . . . Don't know

why it's not listed as one of the issues. I thought it was.

>

> Actually, I thought alternating between diarrhea and constipation

was normal for me. . . It wasn't until my implants were out and I

detoxed that I found out what it was like to be regular again.

>

> The Maker's Diet is all about creating a healthy digestive

system . . . Rubin was dying from Crohn's disease when he learned

about probiotic organisms. If you haven't read the book, please do

so. It's not just a " diet " book.

>

> If we knew exactly why we get sick from implants it would be easier

to decide what to do to get better. As it is, we have to experiment

until we land on what works. As a group, we can share our experience

with various supplements and detox programs . . . but we can't be

sure it will work for everyone.

>

> Cherie . . . how are you feeling today . . . on a " normal " diet,

without the supplements?

>

> Hugs,

>

> Rogene

>

[Guest guest]

Beth,

I started out doing a 1 day juice fast than worked my way to a 3 day juice fast then I do a 5 day juice fast and so forth. But the thing is your full of juices and not hungry but when you go longer juice fast you kinda miss chewing your food. I would wait at least a week for the liver flush but hey if you feel up to it go for it girl

because they all help. Makes it one step closer to healing. Sometimes when you stay with it like that

it gets you better faster.

Good LUck on the juice fast and Liver flush Keep up the good momento!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In a message dated 2/8/2008 10:05:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tommygirl18_1981@... writes:

Is there a specific juicer that you recommend??? How long should I do a juice fast??? I was thinking of trying a liver flush and following with a 3 day juice fast. I do not think I could do much longer than that.

Much Love,

Beth

Rogene/Patty

Hi Ladies,Since I am such an "unique" case, I wanted to pick your brains. Have you ever had anyone in the group or have read about anyone having abodminal pain that moves around? Now that I am not on the diet, I still have pain BUT it's in different places. What I mean is, I now have sinus pain, lower back pain along with the gas and bloating . When I'm on the diet, the pain is in the squeezing under my ribcage that goes all round my torse, pelvic pain along with bloating and gas...and of course lets not forget my constant burbing.I have always felt that I did not have the symptoms that most of the woman in this group have. No joint pain, brain fog, hair falling out, swollen lymph nodes, etc.....none of those things. Only IBS symptoms. I think that's why it took me so long to figure out that this maybe my implants. When I researched problems with implants it never talked about IBS but all the other symptoms that the other ladies have. I noticed in the first page of this forum, it does not mention IBS. Sometimes I wonder if I've even figured out my problem yet. Thanks for you implant!Cherie

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Hi April,

I hope your grumbling stomach feels better soon for you and that your

doing well after explant. I have been chatting with PH and your right

she is very knowledgable and has been a big encourger of mine.

I have candida issues too however not sure if this is all of my

problem.

Hugs,

Cherie

> >

> > Hi Ladies,

> >

> > Since I am such an " unique " case, I wanted to pick your brains.

> Have

> > you ever had anyone in the group or have read about anyone having

> > abodminal pain that moves around? Now that I am not on the diet,

I

> > still have pain BUT it's in different places. What I mean is, I

now

> > have sinus pain, lower back pain along with the gas and

bloating .

> > When I'm on the diet, the pain is in the squeezing under my

ribcage

> > that goes all round my torse, pelvic pain along with bloating and

> > gas...and of course lets not forget my constant burbing.

> >

> > I have always felt that I did not have the symptoms that most of

> the

> > woman in this group have. No joint pain, brain fog, hair falling

> > out, swollen lymph nodes, etc.....none of those things. Only IBS

> > symptoms. I think that's why it took me so long to figure out

that

> > this maybe my implants. When I researched problems with implants

it

> > never talked about IBS but all the other symptoms that the other

> > ladies have. I noticed in the first page of this forum, it does

not

> > mention IBS. Sometimes I wonder if I've even figured out my

problem

> > yet.

> >

> > Thanks for you implant!

> > Cherie

> >

>

> Cherie,

>

> Sorry, I'm not Rogene or Patty. ) I just wanted to say I've had

> IBS symptoms, as well. I had some of the symptoms before implants,

> too, but they got progressively worse after getting them. This,

> despite my efforts to get better (diet, supplements, etc). I just

> got explanted 4 days ago, and still have the gut gurgling/rumbling,

> gas, cramping, etc. But I know it will take time to get better.

>

> I'm surprised you haven't seen IBS listed on any implant symptom

> lists. I've actually seen it pretty frequently listed as a

symptom.

> I don't really understand all the reasons why implants can cause

IBS

> type problems. I know that they can compromise the immune system,

> which gives opportunity for things like candida (which is one of my

> problems).

>

> You might look for a woman on the group who goes by the

name " Perfect

> Health " . She has had a lot of " gut " issues due to implants and is

> pretty knowledgable about it.

>

> Hope you get better soon,

> April

>

[Guest guest]

Dede,

The pain goes all the way around my upper torse, back and front. I

had my liver blood work done about 3 weeks ago and everything looked

good. I had lots of blood work done and everything was fine. From the

test aspect of all this....I'm great! Gee.... my tests make me look

like I'm in fabulous shape except for my hormones.

Hugs,

Cherie

In , DGRAHAMA@... wrote:

>

> Cherie ~

> The pain that goes around your ribcage

> is that on the right side???????

> Loveya~Dede

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Cherie and Beth,

April's right...I had a ton of gut issues to the point I think I

developed Leaky Gut. Everything I put in my mouth, even water, made

me bloat. I no longer have gut symptoms...just the brain fog and

vision stuff which could be from LG or it could be from toxins or

both.

A really great book is Digestive Wellness by Lipski. It

explains all the things required for good digestion and how the gut

is really central to the immune system. Very easy to read and a

great reference!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0071441964

Basically what I did was eliminate dairy and gluten, take caprylic

acid for 16 days and Fungal Defense for 2 weeks. I also take

probiotics morning and night and digestive enzymes with each meal. (I

know you can't do supplements too well, Cherie...this sounds crazy

but I saw an article on how EFT helped a man rid himself of all

sensitivity to foods and supplements. I'll try to dig it up.) Also,

one thing I do is drink the liquid from sauerkraut

occasionally...hated it at first but now it's delicious! Kefir might

work well for you too.

I just came back from a colonic and I really think it's helping a

ton. The problem is you have to do several to really get to the old

fecal matter that lines the pockets of the colon. Once you do that,

absorption of nutrients increases and the chance for yeast

decreases. She asked how my diet has been the last 2 days because

she said she saw a lot of mucous (sorry if this is TMI!)and said I

must have had some sugar. She was right! I had splurged on quite a

few cookies a couple days ago just to see what would happen and

obviously I'm not ready to do that yet.

One thing she mentioned was that she thought I needed Oxypowder. I

thought she was trying to just sell me something but she had mercury

toxicity and systemic candida herself and swears by it. She told me

to order it from amazon. I probably will.

Remind yourself it just takes time. Our guts have major imbalances

and it takes a while to change the ecosystem of it as well as heal

any damage. Jordan Rubin had it bad and it took him 2 years.

As far as the pain I had some too the other night but it felt like a

bladder infection might be coming on. I took Patty's advice and

drank Yogi Detox Tea...after 5 cups, no more pain. It has a lot of

herbs and spices in it that are good for killing parasites. That

might help with your gut too. Love, PH

> >

> > Hi Ladies,

> >

> > Since I am such an " unique " case, I wanted to pick your brains.

> Have

> > you ever had anyone in the group or have read about anyone having

> > abodminal pain that moves around? Now that I am not on the diet,

I

> > still have pain BUT it's in different places. What I mean is, I

now

> > have sinus pain, lower back pain along with the gas and

bloating .

> > When I'm on the diet, the pain is in the squeezing under my

ribcage

> > that goes all round my torse, pelvic pain along with bloating and

> > gas...and of course lets not forget my constant burbing.

> >

> > I have always felt that I did not have the symptoms that most of

> the

> > woman in this group have. No joint pain, brain fog, hair falling

> > out, swollen lymph nodes, etc.....none of those things. Only IBS

> > symptoms. I think that's why it took me so long to figure out

that

> > this maybe my implants. When I researched problems with implants

it

> > never talked about IBS but all the other symptoms that the other

> > ladies have. I noticed in the first page of this forum, it does

not

> > mention IBS. Sometimes I wonder if I've even figured out my

problem

> > yet.

> >

> > Thanks for you implant!

> > Cherie

> >

>

> Cherie,

>

> Sorry, I'm not Rogene or Patty. ) I just wanted to say I've had

> IBS symptoms, as well. I had some of the symptoms before implants,

> too, but they got progressively worse after getting them. This,

> despite my efforts to get better (diet, supplements, etc). I just

> got explanted 4 days ago, and still have the gut gurgling/rumbling,

> gas, cramping, etc. But I know it will take time to get better.

>

> I'm surprised you haven't seen IBS listed on any implant symptom

> lists. I've actually seen it pretty frequently listed as a

symptom.

> I don't really understand all the reasons why implants can cause

IBS

> type problems. I know that they can compromise the immune system,

> which gives opportunity for things like candida (which is one of my

> problems).

>

> You might look for a woman on the group who goes by the

name " Perfect

> Health " . She has had a lot of " gut " issues due to implants and is

> pretty knowledgable about it.

>

> Hope you get better soon,

> April

>

[Guest guest]

Rogene,

I kinda figured that being on the diet, probiotics and anti-fungal

for 2 months I thought I would feel a little better, not worse. Am I

expecting way, way too much? I was under the impression from the

research I have done about candida that the " die off " would just last

a few weeks at the most. Maybe I'm wrong.

I was on Threelac from last September until December and then have

been on a probiotic from my ND. Total now of over 5 months on

probiotics. I have been using Oregacillin for my anti-fungal, my ND

put me on that.

I tried another enzyme about a week half ago to see how I would do

and oh my....that some some painful gas and cramps! Very

untolerable. Last time I tried a liver flush, I had itching all over

by body that was unbearable.

I've tried elminating foods but not no conclusion. Water will even

give me that horrible sqeezing pain after drinking it. It's strange,

sometimes water will be fine going down other times not.

I use gas-x to get a little relieve but it does not last to long or

sometimes it does not help at all.

Maybe one day my body will just say " hey....we're doing better now "

and proceed to work properly as long as I keep putting good stuff in

me!

Hugs

Cherie

>

> Cherie,

>

> Probiotics/Antifungals can cause a Herx . . . i.e., you'll

temporarily feel worse before feeling better. When fungal organisms

get killed off, the byproduct is more toxic stuff that must work it's

way out of your body. . . If you liver is already overloaded, you'll

have a harder time processing it. If you're not moving it out, you'll

feel bad.

>

> Antifungal meds are like going after fungus with a nuclear

weapon. . . The methods we usually recommend work much more gently

and gradually. The trick is to manage the probiotics so you can

tolerate the side effects until they disappear. I'd consider Three

Lac or Acidopholis to be two of the more gentle probiotics. Caprylic

Acid or Fungal Defense are harsher. I don't know what your doctor

recommended.

>

> Digestive enzymes are supposed to add extra enzymes to help your

body process food. If your digestive system is messed up, you're not

getting nutrition from your food.

>

> It sounds like you need both digestive enzymes and probiotics. . .

But you also need to do a liver flush or so to prepare it to process

more toxins.

>

> The pain darting around your stomach sounds like gas moving around

your intestines. Nothing to be concerned about . . . it just has to

be tolerated until it gets better. If there was something seriously

wrong, your pain would stay in one place . . . And, when you pressed

on that place the pain would be intensified.

>

> Did you see the Mayo post on gas? . . . Can you eliminate some of

the foods that create gas? . . . Did you see the post on Bean O?. . .

Perhaps that would help reduce the amount of gas you're having.

>

> I wish we had some pat answers for you. . . It's tough trying to

figure things out when you feel bad . . . and when you feel pressure

to get well. . .

>

> Please have faith that you will get through this . . . because you

will! . . . It's just going to take more work than you expected.

>

> Hugs,

>

> Rogene

>

[Guest guest]

Hello PH!

I'm telling ya....your just a little angel! You've have encourged me

to do this hydrotherapy and do as many as I can afford and see if it

helps me. Do you feel that your treatments really helped clear up

your digestive problems?

I was thinking....it would be great if I could just get a large hose,

put it in my mouth, have everything in the hose that my body needs

and just turn it on.....flush out everything bad....and put in

everything good! Good idea?

I have heard of Oxypower, I'll check it out. Thanks for the book

info, I will look into that too.

Thanks for all your advice!

Hugs,

Cherie

> >

> > --- In , " cannst42 " <cannst42@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Ladies,

> > >

> > > Since I am such an " unique " case, I wanted to pick your

brains.

> > Have

> > > you ever had anyone in the group or have read about anyone

having

> > > abodminal pain that moves around? Now that I am not on the

diet,

> I

> > > still have pain BUT it's in different places. What I mean is, I

> now

> > > have sinus pain, lower back pain along with the gas and

> bloating .

> > > When I'm on the diet, the pain is in the squeezing under my

> ribcage

> > > that goes all round my torse, pelvic pain along with bloating

and

> > > gas...and of course lets not forget my constant burbing.

> > >

> > > I have always felt that I did not have the symptoms that most

of

> > the

> > > woman in this group have. No joint pain, brain fog, hair

falling

> > > out, swollen lymph nodes, etc.....none of those things. Only

IBS

> > > symptoms. I think that's why it took me so long to figure out

> that

> > > this maybe my implants. When I researched problems with

implants

> it

> > > never talked about IBS but all the other symptoms that the

other

> > > ladies have. I noticed in the first page of this forum, it does

> not

> > > mention IBS. Sometimes I wonder if I've even figured out my

> problem

> > > yet.

> > >

> > > Thanks for you implant!

> > > Cherie

> > >

> >

> > Cherie,

> >

> > Sorry, I'm not Rogene or Patty. ) I just wanted to say I've

had

> > IBS symptoms, as well. I had some of the symptoms before

implants,

> > too, but they got progressively worse after getting them. This,

> > despite my efforts to get better (diet, supplements, etc). I

just

> > got explanted 4 days ago, and still have the gut

gurgling/rumbling,

> > gas, cramping, etc. But I know it will take time to get better.

> >

> > I'm surprised you haven't seen IBS listed on any implant symptom

> > lists. I've actually seen it pretty frequently listed as a

> symptom.

> > I don't really understand all the reasons why implants can cause

> IBS

> > type problems. I know that they can compromise the immune

system,

> > which gives opportunity for things like candida (which is one of

my

> > problems).

> >

> > You might look for a woman on the group who goes by the

> name " Perfect

> > Health " . She has had a lot of " gut " issues due to implants and

is

> > pretty knowledgable about it.

> >

> > Hope you get better soon,

> > April

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That is a start. At least you are not confined to your house. It is

horrible though that you have to consider everything we put in our

mouth and how close we are to the nearest bathroom although it has

gotten me over my whole public restroom phobia..lol

> >

> > Hi Ladies,

> >

> > Since I am such an " unique " case, I wanted to pick your brains.

> Have

> > you ever had anyone in the group or have read about anyone having

> > abodminal pain that moves around? Now that I am not on the diet,

> I

> > still have pain BUT it's in different places. What I mean is, I

> now

> > have sinus pain, lower back pain along with the gas and

bloating .

> > When I'm on the diet, the pain is in the squeezing under my

> ribcage

> > that goes all round my torse, pelvic pain along with bloating and

> > gas...and of course lets not forget my constant burbing.

> >

> > I have always felt that I did not have the symptoms that most of

> the

> > woman in this group have. No joint pain, brain fog, hair falling

> > out, swollen lymph nodes, etc.....none of those things. Only IBS

> > symptoms. I think that's why it took me so long to figure out

that

> > this maybe my implants. When I researched problems with implants

> it

> > never talked about IBS but all the other symptoms that the other

> > ladies have. I noticed in the first page of this forum, it does

> not

> > mention IBS. Sometimes I wonder if I've even figured out my

> problem

> > yet.

> >

> > Thanks for you implant!

> > Cherie

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi Cherie,

You're such a sweetie! I think my digestive symptoms cleared up from

explant. I struggled for 6 years while they were in and then right

after I had no problems. Also, I forgot to mention that Dr. Kolb put

me on the prescription antifungal Nystatin oral powder at

explant...helped immensely with bloating. I still take it but not as

regularly as I should because there seems to be too many supplements

and not enough hours in the day. I forget to take half of what I'm

supposed to.

So, I don't think it was my colonics that helped my gut feel better,

it was more diet change, Nystatin and probiotics. My gut symptoms

are gone but that doesn't mean it's healed. Like, a lot of people

think that joint pain is just from something going on in the joint or

that a headache is from something going on in the brain. According

to that Digestive Wellness book, those things are likely caused by

Leaky Gut (microscopic perforations in the gut from candida and other

pathogens). Heal the gut and your health problems go away. So I'm

using the colonics to help wash away candida and pathogens. I hate

that it's $$$ but I think it's been worth it in the longrun. (And it

does take several sessions til you get to the old stuff.)

Ha! I totally have had that same vision of putting a hose down my

throat and cleaning myself out once and for all!! It's so

frustrating to feel bad from everything you put in your mouth. I

can't believe I dealt w/ it for so long, but every doc said it's not

related to the implants and that it was just IBS. When I looked up

IBS, it didn't seem to fit that. Mine was was like yours...always

just pain, bloating, discomfort...seemed like my body rejected almost

everything. Same as you...sometimes I could drink water and be fine

and then other times I reacted but never knew why.

Did you have a stool analysis? Mine showed totally fine on

everything. It was high for e coli but two docs said lots of people

have high e coli and it was nothing to worry about...I wonder. Love,

PH

> > > >

> > > > Hi Ladies,

> > > >

> > > > Since I am such an " unique " case, I wanted to pick your

> brains.

> > > Have

> > > > you ever had anyone in the group or have read about anyone

> having

> > > > abodminal pain that moves around? Now that I am not on the

> diet,

> > I

> > > > still have pain BUT it's in different places. What I mean is,

I

> > now

> > > > have sinus pain, lower back pain along with the gas and

> > bloating .

> > > > When I'm on the diet, the pain is in the squeezing under my

> > ribcage

> > > > that goes all round my torse, pelvic pain along with bloating

> and

> > > > gas...and of course lets not forget my constant burbing.

> > > >

> > > > I have always felt that I did not have the symptoms that most

> of

> > > the

> > > > woman in this group have. No joint pain, brain fog, hair

> falling

> > > > out, swollen lymph nodes, etc.....none of those things. Only

> IBS

> > > > symptoms. I think that's why it took me so long to figure out

> > that

> > > > this maybe my implants. When I researched problems with

> implants

> > it

> > > > never talked about IBS but all the other symptoms that the

> other

> > > > ladies have. I noticed in the first page of this forum, it

does

> > not

> > > > mention IBS. Sometimes I wonder if I've even figured out my

> > problem

> > > > yet.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for you implant!

> > > > Cherie

> > > >

> > >

> > > Cherie,

> > >

> > > Sorry, I'm not Rogene or Patty. ) I just wanted to say I've

> had

> > > IBS symptoms, as well. I had some of the symptoms before

> implants,

> > > too, but they got progressively worse after getting them.

This,

> > > despite my efforts to get better (diet, supplements, etc). I

> just

> > > got explanted 4 days ago, and still have the gut

> gurgling/rumbling,

> > > gas, cramping, etc. But I know it will take time to get

better.

> > >

> > > I'm surprised you haven't seen IBS listed on any implant

symptom

> > > lists. I've actually seen it pretty frequently listed as a

> > symptom.

> > > I don't really understand all the reasons why implants can

cause

> > IBS

> > > type problems. I know that they can compromise the immune

> system,

> > > which gives opportunity for things like candida (which is one

of

> my

> > > problems).

> > >

> > > You might look for a woman on the group who goes by the

> > name " Perfect

> > > Health " . She has had a lot of " gut " issues due to implants and

> is

> > > pretty knowledgable about it.

> > >

> > > Hope you get better soon,

> > > April

> > >

> >

>

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take a long time to make and time to do them? I have a very packed

daily schedule, not sure if I have time for that. Let me know how to

make it and how long does it take you?

I have tried enemas but have not felt better.

I've been eating plain organic yogurt for quiet a while, gives me

more gas.

Hugs,

Cherie

> >

> > Cherie ~

> > I have moving pain........ I have moving p

> > greatly with the gas. I drink some twice a day.

> > I have chronic pancreatitis, and I am sure I

> > have gall stones and or liver stones. I cant do

> > a flush yet, cuz they dont want my heart to freak.

> > I am waiting til after explant.

> > You might want to ask your doc for a amylase and lipase

> > tests. With you not having a gallbladder, your

> > body is probably still not up to par from that.

> > Your body has been thru so very much in the last

> > couple years, it is just gonna take time, and lots of

> > it. You will get well !!!!! YOU WILL ~

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Is there a specific juicer that you recommend??? How long should I do a juice fast??? I was thinking of trying a liver flush and following with a 3 day juice fast. I do not think I could do much longer than that.

Much Love,

Beth

Rogene/Patty

Hi Ladies,Since I am such an "unique" case, I wanted to pick your brains. Have you ever had anyone in the group or have read about anyone having abodminal pain that moves around? Now that I am not on the diet, I still have pain BUT it's in different places. What I mean is, I now have sinus pain, lower back pain along with the gas and bloating . When I'm on the diet, the pain is in the squeezing under my ribcage that goes all round my torse, pelvic pain along with bloating and gas...and of course lets not forget my constant burbing.I have always felt that I did not have the symptoms that most of the woman in this group have. No joint pain, brain fog, hair falling out, swollen lymph nodes, etc.....none of those things. Only IBS symptoms. I think that's why it took me so long to figure out that this maybe my implants. When I researched problems with implants it never talked about IBS but all

the other symptoms that the other ladies have. I noticed in the first page of this forum, it does not mention IBS. Sometimes I wonder if I've even figured out my problem yet. Thanks for you implant!Cherie

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Hi Beth! I have a Champion Juicer. Ours is the black one on this

link

http://www.championjuicer.com/models.html My husband checked out the

different types of juicers because we wanted the type that Gerson

Therapy recommends. The Champion was the same type but much less

expensive brand.

It's great because you can also make sorbet with it...just toss

frozen cherries or frozen bananas in...the boys love it and so much

healthier than ice cream.

I use the Champion for vegetable juices because it takes out the

pulp. Sometimes I add a little bit in for fiber. The kids love

Waldorf juices (celery, granny smith apple and lemon together).

For all fruit juices and smoothies though, I use a Vitamix because I

like my fruit juices full of pulp and it's just easier clean up than

the Champion Juicer. The Vitamix was a gift and to me I don't see

how it's really any different than a blender except that it can blend

veggies into hot soups (I've never used it in that way though).

https://secure.vitamix.com/acb/stores/4/Vita-Mix-5200-P748C108.aspx

I personally wouldn't have a Vitamix if it wasn't a gift. I don't

see that it's worth the cost in any way. I would think a regular

blender would do the same.

As far as how long to do the fast...only you can determine that. I

started out doing a one day fast here and there. Tried to do a 6 day

but only lasted 2 1/2 days due to massive brain fog. Just depends on

how your body reacts. I would think it eventually gets easier the

more you do...at least I hope that's how it is. I really want to do

a week long one! Love, PH

>

> Is there a specific juicer that you recommend??? How long should I

do a juice fast??? I was thinking of trying a liver flush and

following with a 3 day juice fast. I do not think I could do much

longer than that.

>

> Much Love,

> Beth

>

>

> Rogene/Patty

>

>

> Hi Ladies,

>

> Since I am such an " unique " case, I wanted to pick your brains.

Have

> you ever had anyone in the group or have read about anyone having

> abodminal pain that moves around? Now that I am not on the diet, I

> still have pain BUT it's in different places. What I mean is, I now

> have sinus pain, lower back pain along with the gas and bloating .

> When I'm on the diet, the pain is in the squeezing under my ribcage

> that goes all round my torse, pelvic pain along with bloating and

> gas...and of course lets not forget my constant burbing.

>

> I have always felt that I did not have the symptoms that most of

the

> woman in this group have. No joint pain, brain fog, hair falling

> out, swollen lymph nodes, etc.....none of those things. Only IBS

> symptoms. I think that's why it took me so long to figure out that

> this maybe my implants. When I researched problems with implants it

> never talked about IBS but all the other symptoms that the other

> ladies have. I noticed in the first page of this forum, it does not

> mention IBS. Sometimes I wonder if I've even figured out my problem

> yet.

>

> Thanks for you implant!

> Cherie

>

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Beth,

You want a juicer that is easy to use so that you won't be put off

with the effort of making juice. But you also want a juicer that is

going to juice your fruits and vegetables in a healthy manner.

You DO NOT want a centrifugal juicer. The reason for that is because

the centrifugal force exposes those fragile enzymes to too much

oxidation. You may ask, does it really make that much of a

difference? The answer is YES, it does. The difference between a

centifugal juicer and a masticating or twin gear juicer is the

difference between life and death for those with cancer on the Gerson

therapy!

So, if you are going to invest in a juicer, you need to get one that

effectively juices without damaging the fresh juice and the enzymes.

I have a Green Life juicer, which uses twin gears to crush the

vegetables and extract the juice. There is no accelerated oxidation,

and no heat from an overworked motor.

Hope that helps.

Patty

>

> Is there a specific juicer that you recommend??? How long should I

do a juice fast??? I was thinking of trying a liver flush and

following with a 3 day juice fast. I do not think I could do much

longer than that.

>

> Much Love,

> Beth

>

>

> Rogene/Patty

>

>

> Hi Ladies,

>

> Since I am such an " unique " case, I wanted to pick your brains.

Have

> you ever had anyone in the group or have read about anyone having

> abodminal pain that moves around? Now that I am not on the diet, I

> still have pain BUT it's in different places. What I mean is, I now

> have sinus pain, lower back pain along with the gas and bloating .

> When I'm on the diet, the pain is in the squeezing under my ribcage

> that goes all round my torse, pelvic pain along with bloating and

> gas...and of course lets not forget my constant burbing.

>

> I have always felt that I did not have the symptoms that most of

the

> woman in this group have. No joint pain, brain fog, hair falling

> out, swollen lymph nodes, etc.....none of those things. Only IBS

> symptoms. I think that's why it took me so long to figure out that

> this maybe my implants. When I researched problems with implants it

> never talked about IBS but all the other symptoms that the other

> ladies have. I noticed in the first page of this forum, it does not

> mention IBS. Sometimes I wonder if I've even figured out my problem

> yet.

>

> Thanks for you implant!

> Cherie

>

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