Re: Re: Actually, it is true. :o(

February 10, 2008

It was Romney who instituted the state plan where

everyone had to be covered. In Mass. State by

state it is being done, as a matter of government

trying to save $$. I think CA has done it also,

both Republican governors. It will happen, it

is just which plan will get there. It is a

disgrace that the richest country in the world

has so many uninsured people. A world-wide disgrace.

Lynda

At 12:58 PM 2/10/2008, you wrote:

>Thank you April. I noticed it too.

>Patty

>

> >

> > The Snopes article doesn't actually address Hillary's policy. It

> > just

> > talks about Canadian's health care plan, which is " similar " to

> > Hillary's. Here's an interview where Hillary is asked point blank

>if

> > she would be open to garnishing wages. She says yes.

> >

>

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e18Qa56tMBU>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e18Qa\

56tMBU

> >

> > And here are some ABC News articles that talk about her plan (based

> > on

> > Hillary's own words).

> >

>

<http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/story?id=4235448 & page=1>http://abcnews.go.com/Th\

isWeek/story?id=4235448 & page=1

> > http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4235304

> >

> > An excerpt from her website:

> > This plan ensures that all who benefit from the system contribute

>to

> > its financing and management. (In other words, since you

> > are " madated " to have health insurance, you must contribute to

>paying

> > for it)

> >

> > Specifically, responsibilities include:

> >

> > • Individuals: To get and keep insurance in a system where

>insurance

> > is affordable and accessible... (This makes it very clear that

> > individuals are required to get insurance and use traditional

>health

> > care.)

> >

> > I agree that we should be careful about misinformation. So I just

> > wanted to make sure people weren't under the impression that this

>is

> > not a possibility under Hillary's administration. She does say

>that

> > she wouldn't garnish wages of those who " can't afford " healthcare.

> > (Who will decide whether or not we can afford it?) But if they

> > decide that you can afford it, you cannot choose whether or not to

> > have it...you will be forced to have health insurance, and if

> > you don't comply you will be penalized. She's made that very

>clear.

> >

> > To me this is VERY scary. My family hasn't had health insurance

>for

> > years (even though we could afford it) and that is our choice. I

> > hope that we will always have the freedom to choose for ourselves,

>in

> > this matter and any other.

> >

> > I'm not interested in getting into a debate about politics. I just

> > wanted to make sure all of you saw this information.

> >

> > God bless,

> > April

> >

>

February 10, 2008

The governor tried, but failed to get a health insurance program in California. Actually, we all pay for health care for others now . . . just in indirect ways. Whether it be the higher cost of a car, higher taxes to care for the poor, or higher insurance rates paying for inefficient medical services. We're at the point of collapse. There are no easy fixes. In my dream world, everyone would be educated in nutrition from infancy. Junk food (food without nutritional value) would be banned from the grocery store shelf.As I see it, most medical costs are the result of behavior. . . whether it be diet, smoking, sexual (mis)behavior, drinking, recklessness, drugs, crime, medical malpractice, or

breast implants!Rogene

February 10, 2008

I agree, most medical costs are the result of behavior. Not all,

however, and we do pay, through the nose. I cannot see how a

national plan would cost us less than what our system does, and it

would control costs a whole lot better.

Lynda

At 01:31 PM 2/10/2008, you wrote:

>The governor tried, but failed to get a health insurance program in

>California.

>

>Actually, we all pay for health care for others now . . . just in

>indirect ways. Whether it be the higher cost of a car, higher taxes

>to care for the poor, or higher insurance rates paying for

>inefficient medical services. We're at the point of collapse. There

>are no easy fixes.

>

>In my dream world, everyone would be educated in nutrition from

>infancy. Junk food (food without nutritional value) would be banned

>from the grocery store shelf.

>

>As I see it, most medical costs are the result of behavior. . .

>whether it be diet, smoking, sexual (mis)behavior, drinking,

>recklessness, drugs, crime, medical malpractice, or breast implants!

>

>Rogene

>

February 10, 2008

Rogene,

Can you believe, just to put in a simple port for the chemo, under

twilight sedation, out in 3-4 hours, cost $7775, not to count the

cost of the doctor doing it.

What do people without any coverage do when they have something like

I have. I have found they have hit and miss care. Sometimes it

depends on where they live.

It is a total disgrace.

Lynda

At 01:31 PM 2/10/2008, you wrote:

>The governor tried, but failed to get a health insurance program in

>California.

>

>Actually, we all pay for health care for others now . . . just in

>indirect ways. Whether it be the higher cost of a car, higher taxes

>to care for the poor, or higher insurance rates paying for

>inefficient medical services. We're at the point of collapse. There

>are no easy fixes.

>

>In my dream world, everyone would be educated in nutrition from

>infancy. Junk food (food without nutritional value) would be banned

>from the grocery store shelf.

>

>As I see it, most medical costs are the result of behavior. . .

>whether it be diet, smoking, sexual (mis)behavior, drinking,

>recklessness, drugs, crime, medical malpractice, or breast implants!

>

>Rogene

>

February 10, 2008

The thing is that the health care providers have agreed on reduced prices for Medicare and insurance companies . . . Those who have no money, don't pay . . . That leaves those without insurance to pick up the entire bill. . . And, if they can't pay, bankruptcy laws have been tightened to the extent they may never be free of those bills . . . Most people in the middle class have no idea how close they are to slipping down to the lower class, never able to climb back out again. It only takes one illness, accident, weather catastrophe or job loss.The hospital I was in in Mesa, AZ was only five months old . . . Yet, their computer's weren't connected to each other . . . My history had to be taken over and over.

.. . Requests for meds had to be placed multiple times. It was absolutely crazy! The charges were unbelievable! . . . But they'll only be reimbursed a fraction of their fees from Medicare and my insurance company . . . and, I won't owe a penny.If you don't have insurance, you'll be the one who pays and pays and pays to make up the difference. It's not fair for anyone! . . . Rogene

February 10, 2008

I have a few wishes for health care myself, but

health care for all should be

available. Somehow. When I had cancer the first

time, I had only been insured about 5 months. If

it had happened a bit sooner, it would have wiped

us out. Something has to be done.

Lynda

At 02:00 PM 2/10/2008, you wrote:

>The answer is to make health care affordable for everyone. Ford did

>it with automobiles, it happened with calculators, televisions, VHS

>players, computers, housing, everything that people are willing to

>pay for in order to have at a reasonable cost with reasonable

>expectations of benefit.

>

>Right now with health care, we have neither. In fact, we pay through

>the nose for terrible health care. Getting the government involved

>will not do anything to improve the situation, it will only gum up

>the works. The government doesn't do ANYTHING efficiently.

>

>We had a workman's comp claim that was denied because some of our

>employees got into a physical fight. One of them had had heart

>surgery years ago, so when the cops came, they made him get into an

>ambulance and go to the hospital. It was not an emergency situation

>at all. They did a few tests and he went home just fine, came to

>work the next day just fine. The bill for the ambulance and hospital

>services came to over $3700! Can you believe that? And everyone is

>standing around wondering who is going to pay for it. Workers comp

>won't. The employees won't. Why should we, when it wasn't a work-

>related incident? That's alot of money for nothing when we aren't

>even taking a full salary. So who is left holding the bag? At this

>point, the bill remains unpaid, yet in our business name. Even if

>the employee had insurance to cover it, is $3700 justifiable?

>Hardly, in my opinion!

>

>I object to paying for health care because it is so out of sight

>expensive, I will do anything I can to AVOID going. I may need care,

>but if I can get by without, I will. and in fact, I think I'd be

>better off. Doctors kill people.

>

>Health insurance should be provided for catastrophic care.

>Otherwise, health care costs should be within reach for everyone who

>needs to go. An appointment to see a doctor should not cost more

>than $50. And government just isn't going to get us there, unless

>they can force every aspect of providing that care to do so within

>limits.

>

>I have no answers. I just know what I wish it would be.

>

>Patty

>

> > > >

> > > > The Snopes article doesn't actually address Hillary's policy. It

> > > > just

> > > > talks about Canadian's health care plan, which is " similar " to

> > > > Hillary's. Here's an interview where Hillary is asked point

>blank

> > >if

> > > > she would be open to garnishing wages. She says yes.

> > > >

> > > <<http://www.youtube.com/watch?>http://www.youtube.com/watch?

>v=e18Qa56tMBU><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e18Qa56tMBU>http://www.youtube.co\

m/watch?v=e18Qa56tMBU

> > > >

> > > > And here are some ABC News articles that talk about her plan

>(based

> > > > on

> > > > Hillary's own words).

> > > >

> > >

> <<http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/story?>http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/story?

>id=4235448 & page=1><http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/story?>http://abcnews.go.com/\

ThisWeek/story?

>id=4235448 & page=1

> > > >

>

<http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4235304>http://abcnews.go.com/Polit\

ics/wireStory?id=4235304

> > > >

> > > > An excerpt from her website:

> > > > This plan ensures that all who benefit from the system

>contribute

> > >to

> > > > its financing and management. (In other words, since you

> > > > are " madated " to have health insurance, you must contribute to

> > >paying

> > > > for it)

> > > >

> > > > Specifically, responsibilities include:

> > > >

> > > > • Individuals: To get and keep insurance in a system where

> > >insurance

> > > > is affordable and accessible... (This makes it very clear that

> > > > individuals are required to get insurance and use traditional

> > >health

> > > > care.)

> > > >

> > > > I agree that we should be careful about misinformation. So I

>just

> > > > wanted to make sure people weren't under the impression that

>this

> > >is

> > > > not a possibility under Hillary's administration. She does say

> > >that

> > > > she wouldn't garnish wages of those who " can't afford "

>healthcare.

> > > > (Who will decide whether or not we can afford it?) But if they

> > > > decide that you can afford it, you cannot choose whether or not

>to

> > > > have it...you will be forced to have health insurance, and if

> > > > you don't comply you will be penalized. She's made that very

> > >clear.

> > > >

> > > > To me this is VERY scary. My family hasn't had health insurance

> > >for

> > > > years (even though we could afford it) and that is our choice. I

> > > > hope that we will always have the freedom to choose for

>ourselves,

> > >in

> > > > this matter and any other.

> > > >

> > > > I'm not interested in getting into a debate about politics. I

>just

> > > > wanted to make sure all of you saw this information.

> > > >

> > > > God bless,

> > > > April

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 10, 2008

Yes, other countries control the price of medical care. It is OUT of

CONTROL in this country, in a very big way.

Lynda

At 02:01 PM 2/10/2008, you wrote:

>The problem is not in paying the price. The problem is the price to

>begin with.

>Patty

>

> >

> > >The governor tried, but failed to get a health insurance program

>in

> > >California.

> > >

> > >Actually, we all pay for health care for others now . . . just in

> > >indirect ways. Whether it be the higher cost of a car, higher

>taxes

> > >to care for the poor, or higher insurance rates paying for

> > >inefficient medical services. We're at the point of collapse.

>There

> > >are no easy fixes.

> > >

> > >In my dream world, everyone would be educated in nutrition from

> > >infancy. Junk food (food without nutritional value) would be

>banned

> > >from the grocery store shelf.

> > >

> > >As I see it, most medical costs are the result of behavior. . .

> > >whether it be diet, smoking, sexual (mis)behavior, drinking,

> > >recklessness, drugs, crime, medical malpractice, or breast

>implants!

> > >

> > >Rogene

> > >

> >

>

February 10, 2008

Hospitals and doctors should not be allowed to charge any patient

more than what they get from Medicare and health insurance (for

anything). That would be a BIG start.

Lynda

At 01:56 PM 2/10/2008, you wrote:

>The thing is that the health care providers have agreed on reduced

>prices for Medicare and insurance companies . . . Those who have no

>money, don't pay . . . That leaves those without insurance to pick

>up the entire bill. . . And, if they can't pay, bankruptcy laws have

>been tightened to the extent they may never be free of those bills .

>. . Most people in the middle class have no idea how close they are

>to slipping down to the lower class, never able to climb back out

>again. It only takes one illness, accident, weather catastrophe or job loss.

>

>The hospital I was in in Mesa, AZ was only five months old . . .

>Yet, their computer's weren't connected to each other . . . My

>history had to be taken over and over. . . Requests for meds had to

>be placed multiple times. It was absolutely crazy! The charges were

>unbelievable! . . . But they'll only be reimbursed a fraction of

>their fees from Medicare and my insurance company . . . and, I won't

>owe a penny.

>

>If you don't have insurance, you'll be the one who pays and pays and

>pays to make up the difference.

>

>It's not fair for anyone! . . .

>

>Rogene

>

February 10, 2008

I agree 100% . . . It's terrible what they charge those least able to pay.Rogene Re: Re: Actually, it is true. (