Re: Actually, it is true. :o(

[Guest guest]

Thank you April. I noticed it too.

Patty

>

> The Snopes article doesn't actually address Hillary's policy. It

> just

> talks about Canadian's health care plan, which is " similar " to

> Hillary's. Here's an interview where Hillary is asked point blank

if

> she would be open to garnishing wages. She says yes.

>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e18Qa56tMBU

>

> And here are some ABC News articles that talk about her plan (based

> on

> Hillary's own words).

>

> http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/story?id=4235448 & page=1

> http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4235304

>

> An excerpt from her website:

> This plan ensures that all who benefit from the system contribute

to

> its financing and management. (In other words, since you

> are " madated " to have health insurance, you must contribute to

paying

> for it)

>

> Specifically, responsibilities include:

>

> • Individuals: To get and keep insurance in a system where

insurance

> is affordable and accessible... (This makes it very clear that

> individuals are required to get insurance and use traditional

health

> care.)

>

>

> I agree that we should be careful about misinformation. So I just

> wanted to make sure people weren't under the impression that this

is

> not a possibility under Hillary's administration. She does say

that

> she wouldn't garnish wages of those who " can't afford " healthcare.

> (Who will decide whether or not we can afford it?) But if they

> decide that you can afford it, you cannot choose whether or not to

> have it...you will be forced to have health insurance, and if

> you don't comply you will be penalized. She's made that very

clear.

>

> To me this is VERY scary. My family hasn't had health insurance

for

> years (even though we could afford it) and that is our choice. I

> hope that we will always have the freedom to choose for ourselves,

in

> this matter and any other.

>

> I'm not interested in getting into a debate about politics. I just

> wanted to make sure all of you saw this information.

>

> God bless,

> April

>

[Guest guest]

Government is just not the answer to our ills....we know that based

on what they already do....they are corrupt, their policies only

benefit the rich, and many people are enabled to be lazy! NO THANK

YOU!!

Patty

>

> >The Snopes article doesn't actually address Hillary's policy. It

> >just

> >talks about Canadian's health care plan, which is " similar " to

> >Hillary's. Here's an interview where Hillary is asked point blank

if

> >she would be open to garnishing wages. She says yes.

> >

> ><http://www.youtube.com/watch?

v=e18Qa56tMBU>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e18Qa56tMBU

> >

> >And here are some ABC News articles that talk about her plan (based

> >on

> >Hillary's own words).

> >

> ><http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/story?

id=4235448 & page=1>http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/story?

id=4235448 & page=1

> >http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4235304

> >

> >An excerpt from her website:

> >This plan ensures that all who benefit from the system contribute

to

> >its financing and management. (In other words, since you

> >are " madated " to have health insurance, you must contribute to

paying

> >for it)

> >

> >Specifically, responsibilities include:

> >

> >• Individuals: To get and keep insurance in a system where

insurance

> >is affordable and accessible... (This makes it very clear that

> >individuals are required to get insurance and use traditional

health

> >care.)

> >

> >I agree that we should be careful about misinformation. So I just

> >wanted to make sure people weren't under the impression that this

is

> >not a possibility under Hillary's administration. She does say that

> >she wouldn't garnish wages of those who " can't afford " healthcare.

> >(Who will decide whether or not we can afford it?) But if they

> >decide that you can afford it, you cannot choose whether or not to

> >have it...you will be forced to have health insurance, and if

> >you don't comply you will be penalized. She's made that very clear.

> >

> >To me this is VERY scary. My family hasn't had health insurance for

> >years (even though we could afford it) and that is our choice. I

> >hope that we will always have the freedom to choose for ourselves,

in

> >this matter and any other.

> >

> >I'm not interested in getting into a debate about politics. I just

> >wanted to make sure all of you saw this information.

> >

> >God bless,

> >April

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The answer is to make health care affordable for everyone. Ford did

it with automobiles, it happened with calculators, televisions, VHS

players, computers, housing, everything that people are willing to

pay for in order to have at a reasonable cost with reasonable

expectations of benefit.

Right now with health care, we have neither. In fact, we pay through

the nose for terrible health care. Getting the government involved

will not do anything to improve the situation, it will only gum up

the works. The government doesn't do ANYTHING efficiently.

We had a workman's comp claim that was denied because some of our

employees got into a physical fight. One of them had had heart

surgery years ago, so when the cops came, they made him get into an

ambulance and go to the hospital. It was not an emergency situation

at all. They did a few tests and he went home just fine, came to

work the next day just fine. The bill for the ambulance and hospital

services came to over $3700! Can you believe that? And everyone is

standing around wondering who is going to pay for it. Workers comp

won't. The employees won't. Why should we, when it wasn't a work-

related incident? That's alot of money for nothing when we aren't

even taking a full salary. So who is left holding the bag? At this

point, the bill remains unpaid, yet in our business name. Even if

the employee had insurance to cover it, is $3700 justifiable?

Hardly, in my opinion!

I object to paying for health care because it is so out of sight

expensive, I will do anything I can to AVOID going. I may need care,

but if I can get by without, I will. and in fact, I think I'd be

better off. Doctors kill people.

Health insurance should be provided for catastrophic care.

Otherwise, health care costs should be within reach for everyone who

needs to go. An appointment to see a doctor should not cost more

than $50. And government just isn't going to get us there, unless

they can force every aspect of providing that care to do so within

limits.

I have no answers. I just know what I wish it would be.

Patty

> > >

> > > The Snopes article doesn't actually address Hillary's policy. It

> > > just

> > > talks about Canadian's health care plan, which is " similar " to

> > > Hillary's. Here's an interview where Hillary is asked point

blank

> >if

> > > she would be open to garnishing wages. She says yes.

> > >

> > >

> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?

v=e18Qa56tMBU>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e18Qa56tMBU

> > >

> > > And here are some ABC News articles that talk about her plan

(based

> > > on

> > > Hillary's own words).

> > >

> > >

> > <http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/story?

id=4235448 & page=1>http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/story?

id=4235448 & page=1

> > > http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4235304

> > >

> > > An excerpt from her website:

> > > This plan ensures that all who benefit from the system

contribute

> >to

> > > its financing and management. (In other words, since you

> > > are " madated " to have health insurance, you must contribute to

> >paying

> > > for it)

> > >

> > > Specifically, responsibilities include:

> > >

> > > • Individuals: To get and keep insurance in a system where

> >insurance

> > > is affordable and accessible... (This makes it very clear that

> > > individuals are required to get insurance and use traditional

> >health

> > > care.)

> > >

> > >

> > > I agree that we should be careful about misinformation. So I

just

> > > wanted to make sure people weren't under the impression that

this

> >is

> > > not a possibility under Hillary's administration. She does say

> >that

> > > she wouldn't garnish wages of those who " can't afford "

healthcare.

> > > (Who will decide whether or not we can afford it?) But if they

> > > decide that you can afford it, you cannot choose whether or not

to

> > > have it...you will be forced to have health insurance, and if

> > > you don't comply you will be penalized. She's made that very

> >clear.

> > >

> > > To me this is VERY scary. My family hasn't had health insurance

> >for

> > > years (even though we could afford it) and that is our choice. I

> > > hope that we will always have the freedom to choose for

ourselves,

> >in

> > > this matter and any other.

> > >

> > > I'm not interested in getting into a debate about politics. I

just

> > > wanted to make sure all of you saw this information.

> > >

> > > God bless,

> > > April

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The problem is not in paying the price. The problem is the price to

begin with.

Patty

>

> >The governor tried, but failed to get a health insurance program

in

> >California.

> >

> >Actually, we all pay for health care for others now . . . just in

> >indirect ways. Whether it be the higher cost of a car, higher

taxes

> >to care for the poor, or higher insurance rates paying for

> >inefficient medical services. We're at the point of collapse.

There

> >are no easy fixes.

> >

> >In my dream world, everyone would be educated in nutrition from

> >infancy. Junk food (food without nutritional value) would be

banned

> >from the grocery store shelf.

> >

> >As I see it, most medical costs are the result of behavior. . .

> >whether it be diet, smoking, sexual (mis)behavior, drinking,

> >recklessness, drugs, crime, medical malpractice, or breast

implants!

> >

> >Rogene

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The only way to make health care available to all is to make it

affordable for all. Otherwise you have a monopoly of the rich over

the poor, the powerful over the weak, forever. Prices need to come

down, we don't need to find ways to keep paying the higher and higher

prices. If we keep going this way, the only things in life people

will be paying for in their old age (and before) is a place to live,

food to eat and out of control health care.

The other thing is to make sure the people understand what options

they have when they are sick, and that they are NOT always at the

mercy of the doctors with the white coats. Of course, that is what

they want you to believe. Organized medicine wants you to be

brainwashed into believing that theirs is the only scientific,

credible way to get better or you will die. Their tactics are

classic of tyranny.

But it is not true. Cancer can be cured without chemotherapy and

radiation and surgery. It's been done thousands of times. You don't

have to live in fear because of the tactics of the doctors to do

things THEIR way because there's lots of money in it for them.

Can you imagine an America where Dr. Gerson's cancer cure had been

accepted? Where people didn't have to pay thousands of dollars for

chemotherapy, radiation, surgery and hospitals, but rather learn the

therapy at home using fruits, vegetables, juicers, and the other

protocol supplements?

Can you imagine where health care was affordable and available to all

because it was reasonable in cost, doctors were compassionate and

helpful, rather than greedy and arrogant living in this artificial

world of power they have created for themselves?

I can. It would be much better than we have now, but we will never

see it, not in this country. NEVER. There is too much at stake

because of the path we've been on. Too far gone to turn it around now

for the masses. The only way is for people to become educated about

their own health, take charge of their own therapies as much as

possible with natural healing, correct diet and detoxing, and know

how they want to approach a catastrophic illness if it hits. I

already know if I ever get cancer, Gerson's it for me. I don't need

the government's help on that one--they only need to just stay out of

my way.

Patty

> > > > >

> > > > > The Snopes article doesn't actually address Hillary's

policy. It

> > > > > just

> > > > > talks about Canadian's health care plan, which is " similar "

to

> > > > > Hillary's. Here's an interview where Hillary is asked point

> >blank

> > > >if

> > > > > she would be open to garnishing wages. She says yes.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > <<http://www.youtube.com/watch?>http://www.youtube.com/watch?

> >v=e18Qa56tMBU><http://www.youtube.com/watch?

v=e18Qa56tMBU>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e18Qa56tMBU

> > > > >

> > > > > And here are some ABC News articles that talk about her plan

> >(based

> > > > > on

> > > > > Hillary's own words).

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > <<http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/story?

>http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/story?

> >id=4235448 & page=1><http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/story?

>http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/story?

> >id=4235448 & page=1

> > > > >

> > <http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?

id=4235304>http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4235304

> > > > >

> > > > > An excerpt from her website:

> > > > > This plan ensures that all who benefit from the system

> >contribute

> > > >to

> > > > > its financing and management. (In other words, since you

> > > > > are " madated " to have health insurance, you must contribute

to

> > > >paying

> > > > > for it)

> > > > >

> > > > > Specifically, responsibilities include:

> > > > >

> > > > > • Individuals: To get and keep insurance in a system where

> > > >insurance

> > > > > is affordable and accessible... (This makes it very clear

that

> > > > > individuals are required to get insurance and use

traditional

> > > >health

> > > > > care.)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I agree that we should be careful about misinformation. So I

> >just

> > > > > wanted to make sure people weren't under the impression that

> >this

> > > >is

> > > > > not a possibility under Hillary's administration. She does

say

> > > >that

> > > > > she wouldn't garnish wages of those who " can't afford "

> >healthcare.

> > > > > (Who will decide whether or not we can afford it?) But if

they

> > > > > decide that you can afford it, you cannot choose whether or

not

> >to

> > > > > have it...you will be forced to have health insurance, and

if

> > > > > you don't comply you will be penalized. She's made that very

> > > >clear.

> > > > >

> > > > > To me this is VERY scary. My family hasn't had health

insurance

> > > >for

> > > > > years (even though we could afford it) and that is our

choice. I

> > > > > hope that we will always have the freedom to choose for

> >ourselves,

> > > >in

> > > > > this matter and any other.

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm not interested in getting into a debate about politics.

I

> >just

> > > > > wanted to make sure all of you saw this information.

> > > > >

> > > > > God bless,

> > > > > April

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'll have to find out exactly what happened.

It burns me up though!

Patty

>

> >Lordy Patty . . .

> >

> >What a mess! . . . And what gave the cops the right to make the

guy

> >go to the hospital in an ambulance to begin with? It should have

> >been his choice! Things have gotten way out of hand!

> >

> >Actually, one of the answers is not to give up on the government

> >because it is corrupt (and it is). It's to make the government

> >accountable to the citizens . . . and for the citizens to DEMAND

> >accountability, rather than accept slipshod government as the

standard.

> >

> >I have high hopes that this election, regardless of party, is

going

> >to be the first step in giving control of the government back to

the

> >people. However those who have been in control are not going to

give up easily.

> >

> >I hope everyone is doing their homework for this election!

> >

> >Rogene

> >

> >

>