Patty. et al-- Bindi's lastest hormone panel

[Guest guest]

Hi Patty and Beloved Ladies,

I received the results of a recent saliva hormone panel and have yet to speak with the health practitioner I am working with about them. I have an appointment on Thursday. I thought I'd pass the results along to add to the collected general info about the endocrine imbalance caused by implants, and also to see if Patty or anyone had any insight on my latest results.

My last hormone panel was taken a year ago. It showed low testosterone and low cortisol in the a.m. and evening. I used the Diagnos-Tech lab.

The results of this recent panel are a bit different. I did a saliva and blood test through ZRT lab for hormones, thyroid and blood sugar. My cortisol results are low in the am, close to normal at midday, high in the evening, and low at night. I also have very low estradiol -- 0.7L ((I am 45 and perimenopausal-- the normal range for perimeno is 1.3-3.3L). DHEAS is low-- 3.3. Free T3 is low-- the normal range is 2.5-6.5. Progesterone, testosterone, T4, TSH and TPO appear normal.

The interpretation that accompanied the results is somewhat confusing, and I won't paraphrase it here other than to say that it seems to suggests an imbalance of the whole endocrine system (surprise!) and suggests progesterone and possibly estrogen and thyroid supplementation. I am curious what Patty, the hormone expert, thinks about this.

Hope you are all finding peace and pleasure in big and small ways.

xo

Bindi

[Guest guest]

Hi Bindi,I don't have a clue what any of your tests mean but wanted you to know I'm thinking about you and hoping you are feeling good.Take care,Traci"Feeling down? Saddle up." ~Author Unknown From: freebindi <bindi@...>Subject: Patty. et al-- Bindi's lastest

hormone panel Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2008, 8:27 PM

Hi Patty and Beloved Ladies,

I received the results of a recent saliva hormone panel and have yet to speak with the health practitioner I am working with about them. I have an appointment on Thursday. I thought I'd pass the results along to add to the collected general info about the endocrine imbalance caused by implants, and also to see if Patty or anyone had any insight on my latest results.

My last hormone panel was taken a year ago. It showed low testosterone and low cortisol in the a.m. and evening. I used the Diagnos-Tech lab.

The results of this recent panel are a bit different. I did a saliva and blood test through ZRT lab for hormones, thyroid and blood sugar. My cortisol results are low in the am, close to normal at midday, high in the evening, and low at night. I also have very low estradiol -- 0.7L ((I am 45 and perimenopausal- - the normal range for perimeno is 1.3-3.3L). DHEAS is low-- 3.3. Free T3 is low-- the normal range is 2.5-6.5. Progesterone, testosterone, T4, TSH and TPO appear normal.

The interpretation that accompanied the results is somewhat confusing, and I won't paraphrase it here other than to say that it seems to suggests an imbalance of the whole endocrine system (surprise!) and suggests progesterone and possibly estrogen and thyroid supplementation. I am curious what Patty, the hormone expert, thinks about this.

Hope you are all finding peace and pleasure in big and small ways.

xo

Bindi

[Guest guest]

Hi Bindi,

How did your appointment on Thursday go?

It sounds like your results were a little consistent on the cortisol

picture...that is, you are still low in the AM, where you want your

cortisol to be highest then. Are you supplementing with anything to

help keep that cortisol up in the AM? (Such as licorice root?)

However, it sounds like your cortisol is higher in the afternoon than

it should be. You can do things to help reduce that cortisol at that

time. You probably know what they are already....meditation, yoga,

relaxation, and taking Phosphorylated Serine (Seriphos®).

Sounds like you need some bioidentical hormones Bindi! Have you

considered trying the DHEA and some bio-estrogens? Of course, when

you take the estrogens, you need to include the progesterone.

It also sounds like you have a conversion issue with the thyroid of

getting that T4 to T3, the more potent form of the hormone. You

might want to try some cytomel, which is the T3.

Those are just my quick thoughts...I'm curious to hear what your

doctor said.

How are you feeling? Do you have energy or feel pretty wiped out?

Patty

> From: freebindi <bindi@...>

> Subject: Patty. et al-- Bindi's lastest hormone

panel

>

> Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2008, 8:27 PM

>

> Hi Patty and Beloved Ladies,

>  

> I received the results of a recent saliva hormone

> panel and have yet to speak with the health practitioner I am

working with about

> them. I have an appointment on Thursday. I thought I'd pass the

results along to

> add to the collected general info about the endocrine imbalance

caused by

> implants, and also to see if Patty or anyone had any insight on my

latest

> results.

>  

> My last hormone panel was taken a year ago. It

> showed low testosterone and low cortisol in the a.m. and evening. I

used

> the Diagnos-Tech lab.

>  

> The results of this recent panel are a bit

> different. I did a saliva and blood test through ZRT lab for

hormones, thyroid

> and blood sugar. My cortisol results are low in the am, close to

> normal at midday, high in the evening, and low at night. I also

have very low

> estradiol -- 0.7L ((I am 45 and perimenopausal- - the normal range

for perimeno

> is 1.3-3.3L). DHEAS is low-- 3.3. Free T3 is low-- the normal range

is 2.5-6.5.

> Progesterone, testosterone, T4, TSH and TPO appear normal.

>  

> The interpretation that accompanied the results is

> somewhat confusing, and I won't paraphrase it here other than to

say that it

> seems to suggests an imbalance of the whole endocrine system

(surprise!) and

> suggests progesterone and possibly estrogen and thyroid

> supplementation. I am curious what Patty, the hormone expert,

thinks about this.

>

>  

> Hope you are all finding peace and pleasure in big

> and small ways.

>  

> xo

> Bindi

>  

>  

>

[Guest guest]

Patty,

Thanks for getting back to me. Sounds like your summer trip to CA was fun.

I did have my consultation on Thursday with Layna Berman, a "health integrationist" as she calls herself. She is not a doctor, but she works with one(her husband) and she is extremely well-educated about treating health issues alternatively, especially endocrine imbalances. She has a radio show called Your Own Health and Fitness on a wide-reaching progressive radio station in our area. Some of her recommendations are a bit radical-- she promotes the hunter-gatherer diet, for example (fruits, vegies, meat are okay but no grains, beans or dairy)-- but I'm going to try what she's suggested and see how it goes.

She recommended the following: a bio-identical estrogen cream, called Springboard Probalance Plus that contains estriol and estradiol, 1/16th teaspoon 2x/day, and a natural progesterone cream called BioEntopic, 1/8th teaspoon, 2x/day.

Also, Armour Thyroid at 30 milligrams once per day (my doctor prescribed 15 to start) to help convert T4 to T3. I didn't know about cytomel. Have you used it?

Also, she recommended 5 mg of DHEA. And TMG, trimethylglycine, which is supposed to help the liver detox.

I had been taking licorice root extract in the mornings, but took a break, which I've read is good to do from time to time. I haven't used Seriphos-- have you?-- for the high evening cortisol.

I just started to take all the above hormone supplements a few days ago (haven't started the TMG yet). I don't know how long they will take to kick in. I have been experiencing some odd symptoms which I am not sure are related to the hormones, because I've also been dealing with a bout of vertigo which also typically makes me tired and nauseated. I have noticed sleepiness, but it could be unrelated. My breasts are a little puffy, like before a period.

I feel a little leery of starting so many things at the same time, worrying about how they will interact, how I will know what is working, etc. I imagine there is a transition period, and maybe a tweaking period, but am not sure how I will know what to tweak and how much. Also, I've read that if the adrenals are addressed, the need for thyroid is diminished or removed, so I wonder if I am putting the cart before the horse by taking thyroid.

I just wish to feel better. It's kind of freaky to take all this stuff, plus the handful of supplements I take every day. I feel like a lab rat. After a steady improvement for two years post explant, I started feeling really, really tired again. I can kind of limp through the days, but I have to be oh-so-vigilant about my energy expenditures. Fort example, I went to hear a wondeful North African band with my sweetheart and danced my %#* & off for about an hour. It took me four days to recover. A few hours of weeding the garden and my whole body feels wiped out. I do still take a daily walk and lift weights 3x/ week but any kind of stress just flattens me, so I avoid conflict at all costs (even when I shouldn't!)

There is an endocrinologist in San Francisco who is well-known for being an expert at hormone balancing. He requires extensive sensitive blood testing to check not just hormones, but any other illness proclivities. He requires the testing to be done over a whole day's time, and he sends a lab person to do it at your home. His first consultation lasts 5 HOURS! And he requires a six-month commitment to work with him, to make sure the hormones are balanced properly. To do all this with him costs $3,000. It's a lot of $$$ but it might be worth it in the long run. I'm going to think about it anyway!

You know so much and have had so much experience with this endocrine stuff. I would love to hear what you think. Did you say you stopped taking estrogen? Did you have any side-effects at the beginning of thyroid or bioidentical hormones?

Thanks for your input. Enjoy your California tans!

xo

Bindi

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Traci.

Still figuring it out myself!

Bindi

[Guest guest]

Hi Bindi,

It sounds like you are seeing some good people, albeit expensive if

you go to that guy in San Fran! But if you can't get things figured

out fairly soon, it might be worth going the extra mile with him. I

surely sympathize with you on the return of some symptoms. Ugh. I

can think of nothing else that would make me dive with renewed vigor

into my therapies than the return of symptoms, especially that awful

fatigue.

Question: Are you a vegetarian? If you are, do you get extra B-12?

(Take sublingual methylcobalamin?) B-12 was one thing that gave me

energy lifts like nothing else could.

How about fasting, have you done any of that? Fasting made me feel

incredibly light on my feet by the 3rd day. I felt like I could

bounce to the moon.

I would definitely get into the bio-identical hormones and give it a

shot. I found it very clarifying to my brain, and stopped any brain

fog trying to rear its ugly head in its tracks. I did stop the

hormones recently due to my arm pain, as I didn't want to risk any

cardio issues if that was the cause. So far, I have not felt bad,

which really surprised me. I thought I would feel terrible without

that estrogen. But so far, so good, and unfortunately I am still

struggling with some left arm pain, so I have not picked up the

estrogen again. I definitely will again if I feel the need--- I am

not afraid of the idea of the bio-identicals. I just need to monitor

what is going on. So, I'll be curious to hear about your experiences

with the hormones. I just have this strong feeling that we are all

experiencing huge hormonal upheavals from implants and that is the

reason we can't seem to get over that hump sometimes. Some women

struggle so much even after doing all of the detoxing and eating

right. Your test results are indicative of that.

Armour thyroid does provide T3 along with the T4, but I am not under

the impression that it will actually help in the conversion process

of T4 to T3, so I am a little confused about that in your letter. But

if you are low in Free T3, you definitely need some help. I have

used Cytomel...that was the first thing that my homeopath prescribed

for me when he found my Hashimoto's. I did feel good on it, and even

though my other endocrinologist took me off of cytomel, I got some

anyway to have on hand if I decided I needed to add it back in. I

take only Armour right now and feel good on that. The goal is to

have a high normal Free T4 and a high normal free T3 to ensure good

energy levels and metabolism. If you find that the 30 mg of Armour

is not helping you (AND I would take it twice a day--once in the

morning and once in the afternoon to keep a fairly steady supply in

the bloodstream), then you might want to consider retesting and

requesting Cytomel if your Free t3 remains low. Your T4 was normal,

right?

I've never used the Seriphos because I never had high cortisol. Mine

was always low. You've got some stress going on there as evidenced by

the high afternoon cortisol, and I would recommend doing whatever you

can to reduce that as you head into the afternoon hours.

It typically takes a few weeks for all of this hormone

supplementation to kick in and for you to realize the benefits. I

felt almost sick when I first started Armour, though it did help with

my energy. But I remember thinking I should feel great and I

didn't. Eventually it all settles down and you notice improved

wellbeing. That, of course, is the goal. If you never get that

wellbeing, you've not found the answer.

The other important aspect of hormonal supplementation is to work in

increments. It's not a good idea to just blast your system with a

bunch of hormones and expect your body to be happy about it. The

idea is to allow the producing glands to adjust to the presence of

the new hormones and compensate accordingly (and hopefully give them

a chance to rest and recover if stressed). Hopefully the glands are

still working, but the goal with supplementation is to assist and not

overtake production completely. So, you start small and after a few

weeks, bump it up if necessary.

I agree with you about starting alot of things at once. It makes it

hard to know what is working and what is not. But at the same time,

some people want to cover all the bases and I understand that

approach...it just is harder to know what to adjust. You will learn

how to read what your body is saying hopefully!

Bindi, I want you to feel better too. Gosh, how well I remember

those awful days when I was so sick. I feel for you. How long have

you been explanted (please forgive me for not knowing)? I would say

my recovery after about 4 years was quite steady, (those 4 years were

hell), but one of the things that helped me SURPRISINGLY was to get

off all supplements for awhile and just relax about my healing. It

seems the more supplements I took, the worse I felt. If you have not

taken a complete break from your handfuls of supplements for awhile,

I would suggest trying that and see what happens. Sometimes I wonder

if all the pills we take are confusing our poor bodies, and if there

might be just one that is making us feel actually worse.

I have kept up one thing in all these years of healing...and that is

the coffee enema. If there is any one therapy that I've done

consistently, it is that. The liver flush was another good one, but

it's harder to complete and needs to be planned in advance. With the

coffee enema, if I feel like doing it, I do it!

Let me know what happens....I'm sending healing wishes and hugs you

way.

Patty

>

> Patty,

> Thanks for getting back to me. Sounds like your summer trip to CA

was fun.

>

> I did have my consultation on Thursday with Layna Berman, a " health

integrationist " as she calls herself. She is not a doctor, but she

works with one(her husband) and she is extremely well-educated about

treating health issues alternatively, especially endocrine

imbalances. She has a radio show called Your Own Health and Fitness

on a wide-reaching progressive radio station in our area. Some of her

recommendations are a bit radical-- she promotes the hunter-gatherer

diet, for example (fruits, vegies, meat are okay but no grains, beans

or dairy)-- but I'm going to try what she's suggested and see how it

goes.

>

> She recommended the following: a bio-identical estrogen cream,

called Springboard Probalance Plus that contains estriol and

estradiol, 1/16th teaspoon 2x/day, and a natural progesterone cream

called BioEntopic, 1/8th teaspoon, 2x/day.

>

> Also, Armour Thyroid at 30 milligrams once per day (my doctor

prescribed 15 to start) to help convert T4 to T3. I didn't know about

cytomel. Have you used it?

>

> Also, she recommended 5 mg of DHEA. And TMG, trimethylglycine,

which is supposed to help the liver detox.

>

> I had been taking licorice root extract in the mornings, but took a

break, which I've read is good to do from time to time. I haven't

used Seriphos-- have you?-- for the high evening cortisol.

>

> I just started to take all the above hormone supplements a few days

ago (haven't started the TMG yet). I don't know how long they will

take to kick in. I have been experiencing some odd symptoms which I

am not sure are related to the hormones, because I've also been

dealing with a bout of vertigo which also typically makes me tired

and nauseated. I have noticed sleepiness, but it could be unrelated.

My breasts are a little puffy, like before a period.

>

> I feel a little leery of starting so many things at the same time,

worrying about how they will interact, how I will know what is

working, etc. I imagine there is a transition period, and maybe a

tweaking period, but am not sure how I will know what to tweak and

how much. Also, I've read that if the adrenals are addressed, the

need for thyroid is diminished or removed, so I wonder if I am

putting the cart before the horse by taking thyroid.

>

> I just wish to feel better. It's kind of freaky to take all this

stuff, plus the handful of supplements I take every day. I feel like

a lab rat. After a steady improvement for two years post explant, I

started feeling really, really tired again. I can kind of limp

through the days, but I have to be oh-so-vigilant about my energy

expenditures. Fort example, I went to hear a wondeful North African

band with my sweetheart and danced my %#* & off for about an hour. It

took me four days to recover. A few hours of weeding the garden and

my whole body feels wiped out. I do still take a daily walk and lift

weights 3x/ week but any kind of stress just flattens me, so I avoid

conflict at all costs (even when I shouldn't!)

>

> There is an endocrinologist in San Francisco who is well-known for

being an expert at hormone balancing. He requires extensive sensitive

blood testing to check not just hormones, but any other illness

proclivities. He requires the testing to be done over a whole day's

time, and he sends a lab person to do it at your home. His first

consultation lasts 5 HOURS! And he requires a six-month commitment to

work with him, to make sure the hormones are balanced properly. To do

all this with him costs $3,000. It's a lot of $$$ but it might be

worth it in the long run. I'm going to think about it anyway!

>

> You know so much and have had so much experience with this

endocrine stuff. I would love to hear what you think. Did you say you

stopped taking estrogen? Did you have any side-effects at the

beginning of thyroid or bioidentical hormones?

>

> Thanks for your input. Enjoy your California tans!

>

> xo

> Bindi

>

[Guest guest]

Patty,

Thank you so much for your reply. It was really insightful. It helps

tremendously to have the perspective of those like you who've been in

the trenches with this illness and know what works and what doesn't.

I am not a vegetarian, but I do take B12, though not sublingual.

Lately I have been eating more meat, including red meat, as advised

by Layna, the woman I've been working with.

My T4 is normal, my T3 is not. Layna said that taking Armour helps

the body convert T4 to T3.

I had my explant 2 1/2 years ago.

I have never tried any detoxing, fasting, enemas, liver flushes or

any of those things, though I have always adhered to a very good

diet. My biggest dietary vices are a daily pot of green tea and the

occasional sweet. Maybe it's time to try some detoxing, but I think

I'll wait and see what these hormones do first.

I'll definitely keep you and everyone here up to date on my hormone

adventure. I would LOVE to give hope to others struggling with this

if I can!

I hope you get this arm thing figured out. Has any doctor been able

to shed any light at all? Could it possibly be injured? How scary to

think it might be heart-related! Did you get your heart checked out?

Thanks, Patty!

xoxo

Bindi

[Guest guest]

Hi Bindi,

You might want to try a sublingual B-12....I was under the impression

that stomach acids destroy any B-12 taken by mouth, and that was the

reason for the sublinguals.

Hopefully the red meat you are eating is free range? Fish is another

great source of protein...and better for you in regards to the omega

fats.

On my morning walk with my neighbor, who has had her thyroid

completely removed, she mentioned that she only takes Synthroid for

replacement therapy. I was shocked, as Synthroid is T4 only. That

means her body has to make the conversion to T3 for her totally. She

said she feels great on it, has taken it for years. So that was why

I questioned Armour assisting in the conversion process. Just a

thought.

In any case, I agree that Armour is the better way to go, and you can

up your dose incrementally as needed, and hopefully it will be your

answer.

2 and a half years since explant is long enough to see improvement,

but if your experience is like mine, you will continue to see

improvements.

Why no detoxing? If I had not done any detoxing, I think I'd still

be sick. I still pay attention to my body's need for detoxing...I

think it will be needed for the rest of my life. Not that I do it

all the time, but I recognize my body's signals for relief. It's

inescapable in this modern age. I get so sad when I see older people

in such obvious states of toxicity...a little help goes a long way.

I am pretty sure my arm pain is not cardio related, but I have not

been to a doctor yet. I am doing some stretching exercises, have

started swimming every day, and will do a fast one of these days! I

keep saying I am going to fast and then something comes up. My

husband and I both want to do a 3 day cleansing, so hopefully we will

get it done very soon. We are both convinced that fasting will clear

up alot with my arm. I have just been having too much fun....!

I would love to see you get this thing figured out too Bindi and I

hope the hormones will be your answer. It will be a great

encouragement to others to see another woman successfully healed.

But please do give the detoxing a shot....there's just something

about a deep cleansing that works like nothing else.

Hugs,

Patty

>

> Patty,

>

> Thank you so much for your reply. It was really insightful. It

helps

> tremendously to have the perspective of those like you who've been

in

> the trenches with this illness and know what works and what doesn't.

>

> I am not a vegetarian, but I do take B12, though not sublingual.

> Lately I have been eating more meat, including red meat, as advised

> by Layna, the woman I've been working with.

>

> My T4 is normal, my T3 is not. Layna said that taking Armour helps

> the body convert T4 to T3.

>

> I had my explant 2 1/2 years ago.

>

> I have never tried any detoxing, fasting, enemas, liver flushes or

> any of those things, though I have always adhered to a very good

> diet. My biggest dietary vices are a daily pot of green tea and the

> occasional sweet. Maybe it's time to try some detoxing, but I think

> I'll wait and see what these hormones do first.

>

> I'll definitely keep you and everyone here up to date on my hormone

> adventure. I would LOVE to give hope to others struggling with this

> if I can!

>

> I hope you get this arm thing figured out. Has any doctor been able

> to shed any light at all? Could it possibly be injured? How scary

to

> think it might be heart-related! Did you get your heart checked

out?

>

> Thanks, Patty!

>

> xoxo

> Bindi

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Bindi,

I'm sorry you're having a setback. This illness is so confusing!

One thing I did want to mention is that you and I have very similar

symptoms and test results. I don't know if you've looked into the

possibility of heavy metals, but that was one thing my doctor tested

for and I came up high in mercury as well as titanium, nickel and

aresenic.

Dr. Kolb said that in her experience, women with amalgam fillings do

not tolerate implants well at all because mercury is toxic to begin

with but that also, implants contain heavy metals as well, leading to

an accumulative and synergistic metal toxicity.

Several of my doctors have told me that regardless of my excellent

diet, if I don't detox the metals, the body will never return to

homeostasis because of the relationship between metals and

fungi/bacteria. As long as there are heavy metals in the body,

pathogens will continue to proliferate at a rate faster than the body

can excrete.

I know Patty chelated and had amalgam removal and that's part of my

protocol as well. Also, I remember you mentioning TMJ a long time

ago. According to Cutler (he suffered from mercury poisoning

and has researched it extensively along w/ other heavy metal

toxicities), TMJ is often caused by an excess of heavy metals. I

don't know if yours is from the heavy metals in the implants or if

you have fillings.

I don't want to overwhelm you, but just wanted to mention it because

the people on the heavy metals forums I'm on have identical

issues...brain fog, blurry vision, vertigo, adrenal problems, low

testosterone and thyroid issues as well.

It may or may not be what's going on w/ you but just thought I'd

chime in in case you do have fillings.

Love, PH

>

> Patty,

>

> Thank you so much for your reply. It was really insightful. It

helps

> tremendously to have the perspective of those like you who've been

in

> the trenches with this illness and know what works and what doesn't.

>

> I am not a vegetarian, but I do take B12, though not sublingual.

> Lately I have been eating more meat, including red meat, as advised

> by Layna, the woman I've been working with.

>

> My T4 is normal, my T3 is not. Layna said that taking Armour helps

> the body convert T4 to T3.

>

> I had my explant 2 1/2 years ago.

>

> I have never tried any detoxing, fasting, enemas, liver flushes or

> any of those things, though I have always adhered to a very good

> diet. My biggest dietary vices are a daily pot of green tea and the

> occasional sweet. Maybe it's time to try some detoxing, but I think

> I'll wait and see what these hormones do first.

>

> I'll definitely keep you and everyone here up to date on my hormone

> adventure. I would LOVE to give hope to others struggling with this

> if I can!

>

> I hope you get this arm thing figured out. Has any doctor been able

> to shed any light at all? Could it possibly be injured? How scary

to

> think it might be heart-related! Did you get your heart checked

out?

>

> Thanks, Patty!

>

> xoxo

> Bindi

>

[Guest guest]

PH,

Hi! That is an excellent point....and heavy metals are probably an

issue for alot of people in our day, not just implanted women. Heavy

metals need definite detoxing protocols to help get rid of them.

I believe you asked me a question recently that I did not reply

to...about the dental materials.

First, that was great news about the coconut oil toothpaste making a

difference for your gum health! Awesome! I had the same results. I

should warn you to watch your drain though...mine got backed up and

when I cleaned out the plumbing, I found clumps of..you guessed

it...coconut oil! I usually don't use hot water when brushing my

teeth, but I've been a little more diligent to make sure I run some

hot water down the drain to help wash out the oils.

As for my partial, I have had it for a couple of years with no

problems at all. It is made of plastic materials of some sort. I had

the Clifford testing done to show me what dental materials were safe

for me to use, so we used those guidelines. I would not want any

aluminum in my mouth whatsoever. I guess I would have chosed

porcelain as I was under the impression that there were no metals in

those, but if there are, that makes it more difficult. Have you had

the Clifford testing to find out what materials you are compatible

with?

Patty

> >

> > Patty,

> >

> > Thank you so much for your reply. It was really insightful. It

> helps

> > tremendously to have the perspective of those like you who've

been

> in

> > the trenches with this illness and know what works and what

doesn't.

> >

> > I am not a vegetarian, but I do take B12, though not sublingual.

> > Lately I have been eating more meat, including red meat, as

advised

> > by Layna, the woman I've been working with.

> >

> > My T4 is normal, my T3 is not. Layna said that taking Armour

helps

> > the body convert T4 to T3.

> >

> > I had my explant 2 1/2 years ago.

> >

> > I have never tried any detoxing, fasting, enemas, liver flushes

or

> > any of those things, though I have always adhered to a very good

> > diet. My biggest dietary vices are a daily pot of green tea and

the

> > occasional sweet. Maybe it's time to try some detoxing, but I

think

> > I'll wait and see what these hormones do first.

> >

> > I'll definitely keep you and everyone here up to date on my

hormone

> > adventure. I would LOVE to give hope to others struggling with

this

> > if I can!

> >

> > I hope you get this arm thing figured out. Has any doctor been

able

> > to shed any light at all? Could it possibly be injured? How scary

> to

> > think it might be heart-related! Did you get your heart checked

> out?

> >

> > Thanks, Patty!

> >

> > xoxo

> > Bindi

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Patty,

I eat organic meat, but though I have been trying to eat more beef, I have a hard time, even though it's grass-fed and organic. I've never really liked it, and I can't seem to change. I try to mix it in stir-fries etc but I think my decades of vegetarianism are too ingrained.

I eat wild salmon once or twice a week, and take fish oil.

Yeah, detoxing. I've never really been able to get behind it, but maybe I'll give it a try, just to see. Couldn't hurt, right? I did live on raw foods (a la Anne Wigmore & Viktoras Kulvinskas) for a year back in my early idealistic college days, and I did feel pretty fabulous, but maybe it was just all the cute boys I was running after.

Thanks for your help, Patty! I'll let you know what happens.

xox

Bindi

[Guest guest]

PH,

I don't have any fillings. The only ones I ever had were in baby teeth.

I did have some heavy metal testing for mercury, lead, platinum, etc. and it did not raise any flags. But who knows what other toxins may still be lurking in my body from these implants? I'm taking something called TMG, which supposedly stimulates the liver to process toxins.

Yeah, it's a drag to have a setback. But I can't give up, no sir.

How about you? How are you doing? Have you been taking hormones and/or thyroid?

xox

Bindi

[Guest guest]

Hi Bindi,

I'd say I'm slightly better but in general still struggling.

Emotionally I'm more accepting of where I am which is a huge stride but

I still battle with odd brain symptoms, fatigue and visual disturbances.

I'm doing Field Control Therapy which has helped relieve head pressure

and improve vision. There's not a lot of info on FCT but I can

definitely tell it is doing something. The dr detected aspergillus in

my arteries and gave me some homeopathic drops that knocked me off my

feet for a couple days. After the drops I felt much better but then

symptoms have returned again.

Oh, I've toyed with the idea of hormones but it seems so complex and

three docs I've been corresponding with have said to work on

strenthening the adrenals and getting the toxins out first before

working on the thyroid. So that's my plan for now but when I hear from

Patty and that it was such a key component, I wonder if I'm

making a mistake by waiting.

One thing I do notice, is I feel much better after certain detoxes, if

only for 1-2 hours. They are FIR sauna, appled cider vinegar bath and

coffee enema.

I'll have to look into the TMG. Good luck with everything and I just

know you're going to overcome this. You're one of those people who

leave no stones unturned! It'll happen.

Love, Ph

>

> PH,

> I don't have any fillings. The only ones I ever had were in baby

teeth.

> I did have some heavy metal testing for mercury, lead, platinum, etc.

and it did not raise any flags. But who knows what other toxins may

still be lurking in my body from these implants? I'm taking something

called TMG, which supposedly stimulates the liver to process toxins.

>

> Yeah, it's a drag to have a setback. But I can't give up, no sir.

>

> How about you? How are you doing? Have you been taking hormones

and/or thyroid?

>

> xox

> Bindi

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Patty,

Thanks for the info. My dentist used some type of compatability

testing on me for fillings, but I'm not sure if it was Clifford. Yet

with the bridge he says testing isn't necessary because gold/platinum

are completely safe and doubts I will have any trouble. He said if I

do, then he'll take it out immediately.

I don't know that I'd be able to tell side effects since I feel lousy

most of the time anyway. I really don't think he understands how

sick I am. To look at me, I look totally healthy but no one has any

idea my brain and eyes feel so weird the majority of the time. I get

the feeling he thinks I'm a hypochondriac because I'm worried about

having more metals in my mouth!

Good luck with your arm. Thinking of you.

Love, Ph

> > >

> > > Patty,

> > >

> > > Thank you so much for your reply. It was really insightful. It

> > helps

> > > tremendously to have the perspective of those like you who've

> been

> > in

> > > the trenches with this illness and know what works and what

> doesn't.

> > >

> > > I am not a vegetarian, but I do take B12, though not

sublingual.

> > > Lately I have been eating more meat, including red meat, as

> advised

> > > by Layna, the woman I've been working with.

> > >

> > > My T4 is normal, my T3 is not. Layna said that taking Armour

> helps

> > > the body convert T4 to T3.

> > >

> > > I had my explant 2 1/2 years ago.

> > >

> > > I have never tried any detoxing, fasting, enemas, liver flushes

> or

> > > any of those things, though I have always adhered to a very

good

> > > diet. My biggest dietary vices are a daily pot of green tea and

> the

> > > occasional sweet. Maybe it's time to try some detoxing, but I

> think

> > > I'll wait and see what these hormones do first.

> > >

> > > I'll definitely keep you and everyone here up to date on my

> hormone

> > > adventure. I would LOVE to give hope to others struggling with

> this

> > > if I can!

> > >

> > > I hope you get this arm thing figured out. Has any doctor been

> able

> > > to shed any light at all? Could it possibly be injured? How

scary

> > to

> > > think it might be heart-related! Did you get your heart checked

> > out?

> > >

> > > Thanks, Patty!

> > >

> > > xoxo

> > > Bindi

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

PH,

That weird vision and foggy head stuff is the worst. Give me full body

pain any day rather than have to tolerate that stuff. Blech. Lately

I've been having it too, but I'm hoping it's just a temporary setback

or side effects from the hormones.

Remind me, how did your hormone panel come out? And what have you been

doing, healthwise? I apologize if I don't remember, I don't read as

many messages as I would like, I've been trying to stay focused on my

writing.

xoxox

Bindi

[Guest guest]

Hi Bindi,It's a relief to hear from you! I've had a bad morning and just feel so alone. I can't even explain it other than I feel weird, spacey and not real. On top of that I have vision problems every few minutes. It's the most horrifying feeling and I've been trying so hard for a year and a half! I agree, give me pain over this any day!

My cortisol is slightly above normal in the morning and then gradually decreases to below normal from noon on. My hormone results are:

total cortisol/dhea ratio is 11.1 (normal 5-6)

thyroid peroxidase antibodies 41 (normal <35) High

T-4, Free 1.4 (normal 0.8-1.8 ng/dL)

TSH, 3rd generation 1.34 (normal 0.40-4.50)

T3, Free 223 (normal 230-420 pg/dL) Low

Bun/Creatine Ratio 30 (normal 6-22) High

Estrone 146 (was told it should be around 60) High

Testosterone 35 (on paper it's within the normal range but the dr said it's low) Low

Estradiol 36 (should be around 80 according to dr) Low

I don't understand these results at all because my ob/gyn said my only problem is low testosterone and was going to give me Duragel, yet at the follow-up visit her colleague disagreed. When I saw Mercola's doc he said to forget all that and take pregnenelone and DHEA for a couple months and wait on the rest until I had detoxed the mercury.

I'm currently doing everything under the sun...diet, detox (everything that's been suggested, I've tried). I feel better after each detox but then symptoms return (not that they ever disappear entirely, but I just feel better w/ detox). I am also doing Field Control Therapy.

Sometimes I wonder if I'm not addressing the fungal issue enough because that's the only thing I haven't addressed fully (other than hormones). I am fairly certain I have a fungal overgrowth going on because my skin used to itch like crazy and if I'd put an antifungal on it, it'd go away. I've developed melasma and was reading today that it can be fungus-related. When reading about high cortisol, I saw that it can be due to a low-grade systemic infection, bacterial or fungal. When I've gone to the mold forums, the women talk about not being able to read (nystagmus). I suffered with that for a long time. Reading is still difficult but not as bad. Also, Dr. Kolb gave me a melanocyte stimulating hormone (MSH) which indicated I have mold neurotoxins...but since I came out high in mercury, that could give me a low MSH too.

I'm hoping that right now I'm just experiencing a healing crisis. I'm sure part of it is hormonal though because I notice that around the 29th of every month I feel utter despair and just sob.

I plan to do a 3-10 day fast one of these days but it's hard trying to schedule it around kids and Field Control Therapy.

How are you feeling today? Did your docs say anything about estradiol or estrone?

Hope the hormones your doc prescribed are getting you in balance.

Love, PH

-- In , "freebindi" <bindi@...> wrote:>> PH,> That weird vision and foggy head stuff is the worst. Give me full body > pain any day rather than have to tolerate that stuff. Blech. Lately > I've been having it too, but I'm hoping it's just a temporary setback > or side effects from the hormones.> Remind me, how did your hormone panel come out? And what have you been > doing, healthwise? I apologize if I don't remember, I don't read as > many messages as I would like, I've been trying to stay focused on my > writing.> xoxox> Bindi>>> PH,> That weird vision and foggy head stuff is the worst. Give me full body > pain any day rather than have to tolerate that stuff. Blech. Lately > I've been having it too, but I'm hoping it's just a temporary setback > or side effects from the hormones.> Remind me, how did your hormone panel come out? And what have you been > doing, healthwise? I apologize if I don't remember, I don't read as > many messages as I would like, I've been trying to stay focused on my > writing.> xoxox> Bindi>

[Guest guest]

Bindi,

I remember that you are a writer....what are you working on now?

I'm glad you've been able to stay focused on your goals. What is your

day like? Do you write for a certain number of hours per day, or set

goals for a certain number of pages?

I'll be happy to see when your work comes out in print!

Patty

>

> PH,

> That weird vision and foggy head stuff is the worst. Give me full

body

> pain any day rather than have to tolerate that stuff. Blech. Lately

> I've been having it too, but I'm hoping it's just a temporary setback

> or side effects from the hormones.

> Remind me, how did your hormone panel come out? And what have you

been

> doing, healthwise? I apologize if I don't remember, I don't read as

> many messages as I would like, I've been trying to stay focused on my

> writing.

> xoxox

> Bindi

>