Re: Saw the Endocrinologist Today

[Guest guest]

I am glad I got a laugh out of you, Patty !

I tell ya, so much going on lately, things

are so tense, and a good laugh lets that

endorphin thing out !

Loveya

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[Guest guest]

Oh Krista,

Grrrr, I am upset with you about this kind of treatment by doctors.

I didn't expect much based on my own experiences, (as you already

knew), so I am not surprised that it went this way, but it still

makes me upset for you all the same.

I gave up on endocrinologists and most other doctors! Now you can

see why.....I honestly can do without the aggravation! I do better

taking care of myself! His answers for your situation were totally

lame. I wish he could be told how pathetic his doctoring was.

So, what next? Are you going to see a naturopathic doctor and go with

alternative routes the rest of the way? Or keep looking for someone

new in the MD field?

Allopathic medicine has it's place. It can help with accident

victims, acute infections, and other sudden needs. But when it comes

to diseases that require monitoring of various interdependent bodily

systems, and delving into possible answers that require--(HELP ME)--

ACTUAL THINKING about the intricacies of the human body, they suck.

I hate to be harsh, but geeze, what else can we conclude when they

dismiss us so easily? You are not an idiot, Krista, you are a SMART,

intelligent and savvy woman who knows how to listen to her body when

it is talking and you don't have to learn to live with this, as that

doctor suggested. He is clueless. There are answers for you, and you

will just have to keep turning over all the stones we've discovered

that may be on our healing path. Don't give up! I believe God has

the answer for you!

Patty

>

> Well....I saw the endocrinologist today. What a waste of time! You

> all are right about that...they are basically worthless! I felt

like

> he came into the room with a chip on his shoulder (like he had

> already read my chart and saw the tests I had already had done, and

> had already labeled me as a hypochondriac or something. He

basically

> said that there is nothing wrong with my endocrine system (before

he

> has even talked to me,) and then went on to lecture me for a good

> half hour about various things such as how the endocrine system

works

> (like I am a dummy and didn't already know or something,) and how

the

> saliva cortisol tests are worthless (he doesn't do them and won't

> look a them if a patient brings them in,) and maybe my fatigue is

> just being caused by stress or age (yeah, well I am only 30 years

old

> buddy,)and how my symptoms could be related to any system in my

body

> & there is no reason to think they are endocrine related. I think

he

> already had it set in his head tha he wasn't going to help me, and

> that there was nothing wrong with me...before he even saw me. He

> told me that I just need to live with the fatigue and " learn how to

> adapt. "

> Anyway, I tried not to cry the entire time I was in there because

he

> made me feel like such an idiot...like I was wasting his time or

> something.

> He ended up running an adrenal test.....I think just to get me out

of

> his hair and also to torture me because it took...getting my blood

> taken, getting a shot, waiting a half hour and getting my blood

> tested again, then another half hour later taking blood AGAIN! I

felt

> like a pin cushion. He said everything will probably come back

normal

> but " we might as well do it while you are here. " He wouldn't even

> talk about possible sex hormones...he said as long as I am

> menstrating there is no problem.

> Needless to say, I won't be going back to the doctor again. I am

> tired of getting poked and prodded, told there is nothing wrong

with

> me, and looked at like I am an idiot or something. Grrrrrrrrrr......

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know about Krista, but you sure got one out of me!

Patty

>

> Krista ~

>

> Ya, I know that experience ! ! My endo charged me over 1500

for me

> going in on a referral from my heart doctor for a high TSH.......

> Then fired me as a patient cuz I didnt send in the 188 that she

billed me for

> what I didnt already pay and what medicare didnt pay.

> I never even saw her after meeting her and her handing me a lab

> sheet..........

> Pathetic ! !

>

> The good thing, you got that test, it sounds like

> a cortsyn stim test, or they also call it a ACTH test.

> That is a good test to have. Be sure and get a copy

> of the test results when they are ready.

>

> What a hemrrhoid he was .........and is.... on the ass of

> society ! ! ! Sounds like his panties were in a wad......

> So, he wouldnt talk about sex hormones, guess he has no knowledge

in that

> field.........must be why he treated you so badly, and spoke down

to you instead

> at level like a respectful human being......Lack of intelligence

and

> .....Little man syndrome can cause that....maybe his winkie is

inverted !

> He was rude and arrogant, may his hemrrhoids choke him !

> LOLOLOL

> Love you ! Lets get this test back, and work from

> there.......but not with him.....

> Hugs !

> Dede

> did I get a smile outta ya ? ?

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Dede- Yes, you definitely got a laugh out of me. Honestly, I was " over

it " by the time I left his office. He's just not worth getting upset

over. He seemed like he didn't want to help you unless you had a

diagnosed endocrine disorder, he wasn't interested in helping me

figure out IF it was an endocrine problem. Every time I asked a

question, he had a snide and rude answer. I feel like writing to

Kaiser and telling them that one of their doctor's is an a-hole! Oh,

and yes he was short, bald, old and ugly! LOL!

I will let you know when that test comes back. Yeah, I think it was

the one you mentioned.

XO, Krista

>

> Krista ~

>

> Ya, I know that experience ! ! My endo charged me over 1500

for me

> going in on a referral from my heart doctor for a high TSH.......

> Then fired me as a patient cuz I didnt send in the 188 that she

billed me for

> what I didnt already pay and what medicare didnt pay.

> I never even saw her after meeting her and her handing me a lab

> sheet..........

> Pathetic ! !

>

> The good thing, you got that test, it sounds like

> a cortsyn stim test, or they also call it a ACTH test.

> That is a good test to have. Be sure and get a copy

> of the test results when they are ready.

>

> What a hemrrhoid he was .........and is.... on the ass of

> society ! ! ! Sounds like his panties were in a wad......

> So, he wouldnt talk about sex hormones, guess he has no knowledge in

that

> field.........must be why he treated you so badly, and spoke down to

you instead

> at level like a respectful human being......Lack of intelligence and

> .....Little man syndrome can cause that....maybe his winkie is

inverted !

> He was rude and arrogant, may his hemrrhoids choke him !

> LOLOLOL

> Love you ! Lets get this test back, and work from

> there.......but not with him.....

> Hugs !

> Dede

> did I get a smile outta ya ? ?

>

>

> **************

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> live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today.

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Patty- Yeah, I am learning the same lessons as you did a long

time ago! Live and learn!

I've been seeing an ND since December. She seems very helpful. She has

me on a bunch of supplements, that I've been taking for about 7

months. She is currently on maternity leave, but I can still get the

supplements from her. I'm just going to keep going that route (with

the ND.) I got tired of waiting, feeling fatigued, not seeing a lot of

changes, which is why I decided to go the MD route again...but I am

giving up on them. I am just going to continue doing what I am

doing...eating well, getting plenty of rest, etc. I'm sure I will

start to feel better in time...but it takes so much time! It gets

frustrating!

I hear ya on the allopathic medicine....it seems like they only look

at ONE system at a time, like if it is heart related you go see a

cardiologist, if it is digestion related you go see a gastrologist,

etc. But, if you have issues in multiple systems of the body they have

no idea how to help you, nor do they seem to want to help you! I don't

get it! We need some doctors out there who are willing to look at ALL

systems of the body and HELP us find some answers. WHY those don't

exist....I have no clue!

Thanks for the support and encouragement....I'll keep truckin along.

XO, Krista

> >

> > Well....I saw the endocrinologist today. What a waste of time! You

> > all are right about that...they are basically worthless! I felt

> like

> > he came into the room with a chip on his shoulder (like he had

> > already read my chart and saw the tests I had already had done, and

> > had already labeled me as a hypochondriac or something. He

> basically

> > said that there is nothing wrong with my endocrine system (before

> he

> > has even talked to me,) and then went on to lecture me for a good

> > half hour about various things such as how the endocrine system

> works

> > (like I am a dummy and didn't already know or something,) and how

> the

> > saliva cortisol tests are worthless (he doesn't do them and won't

> > look a them if a patient brings them in,) and maybe my fatigue is

> > just being caused by stress or age (yeah, well I am only 30 years

> old

> > buddy,)and how my symptoms could be related to any system in my

> body

> > & there is no reason to think they are endocrine related. I think

> he

> > already had it set in his head tha he wasn't going to help me, and

> > that there was nothing wrong with me...before he even saw me. He

> > told me that I just need to live with the fatigue and " learn how to

> > adapt. "

> > Anyway, I tried not to cry the entire time I was in there because

> he

> > made me feel like such an idiot...like I was wasting his time or

> > something.

> > He ended up running an adrenal test.....I think just to get me out

> of

> > his hair and also to torture me because it took...getting my blood

> > taken, getting a shot, waiting a half hour and getting my blood

> > tested again, then another half hour later taking blood AGAIN! I

> felt

> > like a pin cushion. He said everything will probably come back

> normal

> > but " we might as well do it while you are here. " He wouldn't even

> > talk about possible sex hormones...he said as long as I am

> > menstrating there is no problem.

> > Needless to say, I won't be going back to the doctor again. I am

> > tired of getting poked and prodded, told there is nothing wrong

> with

> > me, and looked at like I am an idiot or something. Grrrrrrrrrr......

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Krista,

I just want to mention one thing about the supplements, which I found

true for me again recently. If you are taking alot of supplements, I

would suggest perhaps cutting back on them for awhile, or taking only

one or two at a time and see if you notice anything different. I used

to take handfuls of supplements at one time, thinking I was doing my

body good. But the truth was, my body could not handle them. When I

cut the supplements OUT, I felt better.

I had been doing so good that I thought I should kick it into high

gear on my supplements again and start taking them all to help get

rid of my stash. So, I was back at taking handfuls again for a few

days. Big mistake. I just felt awful. Brain fog came back...shocked

me! I found out that I can only handle a few supplements at one

time, and so I've just given up on covering all the bases, and just

take a few when the urge hits.

I am not saying that everyone should do as I do, but in an effort to

uncover some of the answers along the way of our healing journey,

this may be one of the things you need to take a look at. It's odd

how we can think we are doing something good for our body (like green

juices!) and find out that it is actually making us feel worse.

If you take a break from your supplements for awhile, let me know if

you notice anything.

Take care!

Patty

> > >

> > > Well....I saw the endocrinologist today. What a waste of time!

You

> > > all are right about that...they are basically worthless! I felt

> > like

> > > he came into the room with a chip on his shoulder (like he had

> > > already read my chart and saw the tests I had already had done,

and

> > > had already labeled me as a hypochondriac or something. He

> > basically

> > > said that there is nothing wrong with my endocrine system

(before

> > he

> > > has even talked to me,) and then went on to lecture me for a

good

> > > half hour about various things such as how the endocrine system

> > works

> > > (like I am a dummy and didn't already know or something,) and

how

> > the

> > > saliva cortisol tests are worthless (he doesn't do them and

won't

> > > look a them if a patient brings them in,) and maybe my fatigue

is

> > > just being caused by stress or age (yeah, well I am only 30

years

> > old

> > > buddy,)and how my symptoms could be related to any system in my

> > body

> > > & there is no reason to think they are endocrine related. I

think

> > he

> > > already had it set in his head tha he wasn't going to help me,

and

> > > that there was nothing wrong with me...before he even saw me.

He

> > > told me that I just need to live with the fatigue and " learn

how to

> > > adapt. "

> > > Anyway, I tried not to cry the entire time I was in there

because

> > he

> > > made me feel like such an idiot...like I was wasting his time

or

> > > something.

> > > He ended up running an adrenal test.....I think just to get me

out

> > of

> > > his hair and also to torture me because it took...getting my

blood

> > > taken, getting a shot, waiting a half hour and getting my blood

> > > tested again, then another half hour later taking blood AGAIN!

I

> > felt

> > > like a pin cushion. He said everything will probably come back

> > normal

> > > but " we might as well do it while you are here. " He wouldn't

even

> > > talk about possible sex hormones...he said as long as I am

> > > menstrating there is no problem.

> > > Needless to say, I won't be going back to the doctor again. I

am

> > > tired of getting poked and prodded, told there is nothing wrong

> > with

> > > me, and looked at like I am an idiot or something.

Grrrrrrrrrr......

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Krista ~

Ya know, if we dont report bad behavior

of physicians, then they will never be deciplined,

and can go on to treat others badly.

I personally feel that type behavior is definately

a breech of his hippocratic oath " First do no harm "

Talking down to, not listening, lack of compassion, and rudness is all mentally harmful ! It is the first signs of

a doctor showing ... MALPRACTICE...MUCH can be missed. Behavior like this can make a patient shut down. First and foremost, we are going to a doctor

to LISTEN then to examine, and test if necessary.

Then to diagnose and treat. I am so sick of doctors thinking they are Gods, overcharging people for their incompetence, a bad doctor can ruin the lives of people that put their trust in them. Many people never realize that they are sick by doctor, and not by illness.

It is time that doctors be brought down a few levels and back to earth level and humanity.

I cant wait to see what test this doctor actually did

on you and what the results are.

I hope you are having a good day today !

Love

Dede

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[Guest guest]

Hi Patty- I totally understand what you are saying. If I eat too many

vegetables in one day....I feel sick! LOL! How funny is that?!

I actually did cut down on the supplements a few months ago. They

were starting to make me feel sick to my stomach. My ND said it would

be fine to cut them in half, which I did and felt much better. I'm

really not on that many supplements. Just a vitamin pack a day(there

are 5 vitamins in there,) 1 pill a day for liver detox and support, 2

pills a day for the adrenals (though I may cut that out,) and one

pill a week that is a " homeopathic remedy. " So, it's really not that

much...compared to what others are taking.

I really try to not take a bunch of stuff just to take it, I like to

have a reason why I am taking something. I feel pretty good about

what I am taking right now.

I'll keep that in mind though and if I don't start to feel better,

maybe I'll cut them out for a few days and see if it changes anything.

Thanks for the ideas! I love all the support!

XO, Krista

> > > >

> > > > Well....I saw the endocrinologist today. What a waste of

time!

> You

> > > > all are right about that...they are basically worthless! I

felt

> > > like

> > > > he came into the room with a chip on his shoulder (like he

had

> > > > already read my chart and saw the tests I had already had

done,

> and

> > > > had already labeled me as a hypochondriac or something. He

> > > basically

> > > > said that there is nothing wrong with my endocrine system

> (before

> > > he

> > > > has even talked to me,) and then went on to lecture me for a

> good

> > > > half hour about various things such as how the endocrine

system

> > > works

> > > > (like I am a dummy and didn't already know or something,) and

> how

> > > the

> > > > saliva cortisol tests are worthless (he doesn't do them and

> won't

> > > > look a them if a patient brings them in,) and maybe my

fatigue

> is

> > > > just being caused by stress or age (yeah, well I am only 30

> years

> > > old

> > > > buddy,)and how my symptoms could be related to any system in

my

> > > body

> > > > & there is no reason to think they are endocrine related. I

> think

> > > he

> > > > already had it set in his head tha he wasn't going to help

me,

> and

> > > > that there was nothing wrong with me...before he even saw

me.

> He

> > > > told me that I just need to live with the fatigue and " learn

> how to

> > > > adapt. "

> > > > Anyway, I tried not to cry the entire time I was in there

> because

> > > he

> > > > made me feel like such an idiot...like I was wasting his time

> or

> > > > something.

> > > > He ended up running an adrenal test.....I think just to get

me

> out

> > > of

> > > > his hair and also to torture me because it took...getting my

> blood

> > > > taken, getting a shot, waiting a half hour and getting my

blood

> > > > tested again, then another half hour later taking blood

AGAIN!

> I

> > > felt

> > > > like a pin cushion. He said everything will probably come

back

> > > normal

> > > > but " we might as well do it while you are here. " He wouldn't

> even

> > > > talk about possible sex hormones...he said as long as I am

> > > > menstrating there is no problem.

> > > > Needless to say, I won't be going back to the doctor again. I

> am

> > > > tired of getting poked and prodded, told there is nothing

wrong

> > > with

> > > > me, and looked at like I am an idiot or something.

> Grrrrrrrrrr......

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Krista,

What a dolt. I hate arrogant backward doctors. What would he say about how sick you were with implants? That it was just "stress and aging" at the ripe old age of twenty-nine?

I'm curious to see what your cortisol test shows, though it is much better to test at four intervals throughout the day. Interestingly, when I first started out on the wild road of implant illness, my extremely high cortisol levels were the only tests that came out wacky-- but nobody made the connection. The doc just said I was stressed.

It might be worth your while to have your sex hormones tested on your own. You can learn a lot without even going to the doctor. I forget-- did you do a full hormone test already?

I take a ****load of supplements and I have been leery about the quantity and the cost. When i went to the woman I work with now for the first time, I told her I believed I could get most of my nutrients from food. She said, No you can't, your body is in a chronic oxidative state and is not absorbing nutrients properly and needs extra of some. So I am trusting her judgment.

I would definitely not give up on fish oil, cal/mag and vit D, sublingual B12, alpha lipoic acid, CoQ10, vit. C and a good multi. These are all nutrients that can be low in people with chronic illnesses.

xo

Bindi

[Guest guest]

Bindi- I didn't even bring up the fact that I believe I am this sick

from breast implants. I think he would have laughed out loud in my

face. I've learned (from all of you) just to keep my mouth shut about

that.

Yeah, the fact that he said I am THIS fatigued from age is beyond me.

I said " well, I knew I'd lose SOME enegery as I aged, but I didn't

know I'd lose THIS much energy at my age. " He had no response to that.

I haven't done the full hormone testing. I was hoping this dumb

doctor would do it, but that was a no go..he saw " no reason to. " I

can probably have it done through my ND, but I am going to wait a few

months until she is back from materinity leave. Then I'll look into

again if I'm not feeling better.

Do you think the sublingual B12 has been helpful? I've been throwing

around the idea of trying it, since everyone recommends it for energy

and mental clarity (which I need a lot of help with.)

Well, the one thing I have to be thankful for is that MOST of my

symptoms are gone since explant....I no longer have the constant

achiness throughout my body, the excrutiating pain on my left side,

the nausea...I'm still dealing with bad fatigue and some brain fog,

but at least I can live with those.

Oh! I got that book yesterday " the canary and chronic fatigue, " it's

a big ol book so it will take me awhile to read, but I'll let you

know what I think.

XO, Krista

>

> Krista,

> What a dolt. I hate arrogant backward doctors. What would he say

about how sick you were with implants? That it was just " stress and

aging " at the ripe old age of twenty-nine?

>

> I'm curious to see what your cortisol test shows, though it is much

better to test at four intervals throughout the day. Interestingly,

when I first started out on the wild road of implant illness, my

extremely high cortisol levels were the only tests that came out

wacky-- but nobody made the connection. The doc just said I was

stressed.

>

> It might be worth your while to have your sex hormones tested on

your own. You can learn a lot without even going to the doctor. I

forget-- did you do a full hormone test already?

>

> I take a ****load of supplements and I have been leery about the

quantity and the cost. When i went to the woman I work with now for

the first time, I told her I believed I could get most of my

nutrients from food. She said, No you can't, your body is in a

chronic oxidative state and is not absorbing nutrients properly and

needs extra of some. So I am trusting her judgment.

>

> I would definitely not give up on fish oil, cal/mag and vit D,

sublingual B12, alpha lipoic acid, CoQ10, vit. C and a good multi.

These are all nutrients that can be low in people with chronic

illnesses.

>

> xo

> Bindi

>

[Guest guest]

Krista,

Yes, please let us know what you think of that book. It looks interesting.

I don't know if the sublingual B12 is helping me or not, because I started it at the same time as the hormones, and since then I have had a steady improvement. B12 does come up often as one of the nutrients people with chronic illness are often deficient in.

Bindi