Re: Question about Probiotics

[Guest guest]

Hello everyone,

told me last night that I should ask this group this question. My

husband's back was hurting really bad yesterday, and later in the afternoon

he started running fever. We started becoming concerned that it was either a

kidney infection or the flu because he was exposed to some kind of flu the

other day. Well, my daughter works at a clinic which is open nights, and she

told us to bring him in last night so we could make sure that it wasn't his

kidneys. When they ran the CBC (complete blood count), his white count

wouldn't register on the machine. He's also been taking probiotics for close

to 2 months.

At first I thought it meant that his blood count was too high, but he said

this morning that, no, it was either too low or too high, and that's why it

wasn't registering on their machine. So they wanted him to go to ER and have

more tests run, which we decided not to do. He thinks all along that he's

had the flu.

My question is, do y'all think that since he's been on probiotics, that it

could have caused a strange white blood count? It is bacteria even if it is

a good bacteria.

Hope someone knows.

Thanks,

Susie

[Guest guest]

Hello everyone,

told me last night that I should ask this group this question. My

husband's back was hurting really bad yesterday, and later in the afternoon

he started running fever. We started becoming concerned that it was either a

kidney infection or the flu because he was exposed to some kind of flu the

other day. Well, my daughter works at a clinic which is open nights, and she

told us to bring him in last night so we could make sure that it wasn't his

kidneys. When they ran the CBC (complete blood count), his white count

wouldn't register on the machine. He's also been taking probiotics for close

to 2 months.

At first I thought it meant that his blood count was too high, but he said

this morning that, no, it was either too low or too high, and that's why it

wasn't registering on their machine. So they wanted him to go to ER and have

more tests run, which we decided not to do. He thinks all along that he's

had the flu.

My question is, do y'all think that since he's been on probiotics, that it

could have caused a strange white blood count? It is bacteria even if it is

a good bacteria.

Hope someone knows.

Thanks,

Susie

[Guest guest]

Susie, I'm sorry I can't say about the blood count. What kind of probiotics has

he been on. If there is nothing else wrong with him, then I can offer some

ideas: I can say that I also have been having troubles with back and have been

taking a new probiotic. I personally believe it is part of the healing process.

And I'm doing stretches to be sure the spine is flexible. I had back problems

one other time when I was going through healing. If there are no other problems

have him use some Jointritis (natural topical pain killer) and go through it.

Others of us are. Even when there is nothing wrong doctors will try to get you

to take their drugs. That's why many health problems get worse. THe body is

trying to purge the old drugs. of Dewberry Hill

Hello everyone,

told me last night that I should ask this group this question. My

husband's back was hurting really bad yesterday, and later in the afternoon

he started running fever. We started becoming concerned that it was either a

kidney infection or the flu because he was exposed to some kind of flu the

other day. Well, my daughter works at a clinic which is open nights, and she

told us to bring him in last night so we could make sure that it wasn't his

kidneys. When they ran the CBC (complete blood count), his white count

wouldn't register on the machine. He's also been taking probiotics for close

to 2 months.

At first I thought it meant that his blood count was too high, but he said

this morning that, no, it was either too low or too high, and that's why it

wasn't registering on their machine. So they wanted him to go to ER and have

more tests run, which we decided not to do. He thinks all along that he's

had the flu.

My question is, do y'all think that since he's been on probiotics, that it

could have caused a strange white blood count? It is bacteria even if it is

a good bacteria.

Hope someone knows.

Thanks,

Susie

[Guest guest]

Hello Tishri7@...,

In reference to your comment:

è do y'all think that since he's been on probiotics, that it

è could have caused a strange white blood count?

~Depends on the TYPE of probiotics he is using..Some are not checked for

certain things in them and in fact can in fact make one very ill

[Guest guest]

robinbirdjones@... writes:

> ~Depends on the TYPE of probiotics he is using..Some are not checked for

> certain things in them and in fact can in fact make one very ill

>

What " certain things " might you be referring to? In what way can a person be

made ill? Which probiotics would you say ARE checked for those 'certain

things'? May I ask what you base this on? Can you provide any additional

information to support this comment? I'm not picking - it was just kind of

a generalized comment and more specifics would probably be helpful to anyone

who is on a probiotic or considering taking one.

thanks,

rachel~

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it and ignorance may deride

it, but in the end there it is. " Winston Churchill

[Guest guest]

Hello cozad76078@...,

In reference to your comment:

è I personally believe it is part of the healing process.

Its my opinion...that when you are doing these detoxs and are having multiple

problems regardles of what you are doing be it herbal, homeopathic etc...

More often then NOT its not a healing a sign with the backaches etc and other

problems, do not have the knowlege base of the mechinisms of the body for...

some things taken in excess or other ways tend to make one very ill. I have

seen hundreds of folks in a clinical setting where in fact they are self

diagnosis... I am glad that we have the ability to deside what we want to do

with our own health but.. when one becomes ill with all sorts of side effects

should NOT go thru all these so called healing signs of sickness if that

makes sense to any of you.. I recommend that if any of you are having ANY

sickness from doing any type of cleanse and are getting rashes etc that they

seek help from alternative health care providers that have had the schooling

in this sort of thing instead of pushing the wrong buttons... I have seen

MORE folks making them get other problems from some of the things, with some

real professional help....

Robin

[Guest guest]

Tainted for one.. staph strep mold etc... some may be made in a sytem where

they are actually contaminated.. I would suggest to obtain a C of A on items

if you are really concerned about them.. Cross contaminated etc.. there could

be many things that can do this..

Robin

[Guest guest]

Hello Rachd1961@...,

In reference to your comment:

è May I ask what you base this on?  Can you provide

è any additional information to support this comment? 

Also so of the additives that are in the probiotics such as the fillers that

are used .. if someone is getting referred pain from an ORGAN there is really

honest to pete something very wrong.. Anyone that tells you that referred

pain as normal.. is really not educated in some of the aspects of healthcare

as the body as a whole.. You can check any book in anatomy there is nothing

that says that this is normal.. If you are getting back pain from something

perhaps you are using too high a dosage, etc etc....

If you like I will have the hubby to explain some of this to you ...

Robin

[Guest guest]

I'm personally not currently concerned about probiotics because I'm not

taking any. There are many people out here who are, though, and I was

actually more concerned about a generalized statement that was made that I

thought could use some more backup to substantiate it. Thank you for giving

partial explanation to your earlier statement.

in health,

rachel~

robinbirdjones@... writes:

> Tainted for one.. staph strep mold etc... some may be made in a sytem where

> they are actually contaminated.. I would suggest to obtain a C of A on

> items

> if you are really concerned about them.. Cross contaminated etc.. there

> could

> be many things that can do this..

> Robin

>

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it and ignorance may deride

it, but in the end there it is. " Winston Churchill

[Guest guest]

Hello Rachd1961@...,

In reference to your comment:

è Thank you for giving partial explanation to your earlier

è statement.

Okay here is something to ponder about about probiotic use and the concern

with the use etc.. (this just does not apply to JUST this one thing)

My name is Dr. Dennis

If you have a question, I will be glad to respond in kind based upon the

model of care desired.

[Guest guest]

Hello cozad76078@...,

In reference to your comment:

è I'm sorry, I disagree and don't go to doctors. But

è respect your opinion.  Thanks, of DH

I will die to let you have the right to your opinion even if mine is

different.. Great County we live in isnt it..LOL

Robin

[Guest guest]

Robin said: " Its my opinion...that when you are doing these detoxs and are

having multiple

problems regardles of what you are doing be it herbal, homeopathic etc...

More often then NOT its not a healing a sign with the backaches etc... "

I'm sorry, I disagree and don't go to doctors. But respect your opinion.

Thanks, of DH

" People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is

out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there

is alight within. " -Kubler Ross

" Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that

followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. "

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[Guest guest]

I'm personally not currently concerned about probiotics because I'm not

taking any. There are many people out here who are, though, and I was

actually more concerned about a generalized statement that was made that I

thought could use some more backup to substantiate it. Thank you for giving

partial explanation to your earlier statement.

in health,

, I'm concerned, too. There are lots of people on probiotics here. My

husband has been on them about two months now. He started them because of

taking antibiotics. As a matter of fact, they have straightened out his

stomach problems that he's had since his radiation therapy in '91.

But I do not feel that the probiotics are making him ill. I believe that he

has some kind of flu because he was around some people who did. I've already

read various articles about probiotics, and a couple have stated that

probiotics stimulate your body to produce more white blood cells when you're

ill. This actually kills the bad bugs in our bodies.

Susie

[Guest guest]

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Carolyn,

Flora Source is a very good product and I would continue with it but

I would also take a product with the soil born organisims in it. I

took Primal Defense for a year with very good results. Here is some

info.

http://www.upwardquest.com/cmenu.html

http://www.gardenoflife.cc/products/primaldefense.html

http://www.altcancer.com/microflora.htm

In candidiasis@y..., " dotcarolyn2001 " <dotcarolyn@h...> wrote:

> I have a bad case of systemic candida. The probiotic I've been

taking

> for about half a year is Flora Source. My question is: Are we

> supposed to switch probiotics every once in a while or is just

staying

> on one brand for a long period of time just as effective?

>

> Thanks,

> Carolyn

[Guest guest]

Dans un e-mail daté du 16/07/2004 18:05:10 Romance Standard Time,

kimmumb@... a écrit :

> I just switched to Custom Probiotics 6-strain powder last week, since

> my stomach couldn't handle Lyosan Acidophilus (dairy-based). I'm

> still trying to find a yogurt I can handle; making my first batch of

> almond yogurt this weekend. I guess there could be one of the

> bacteria strains in the 6-strain powder that my body doesn't like;

> perhaps I should just stick to acidophilus only.

Generally speaking, if you have allergies, it's better to use a probiotic

with one or 2 strains only. The more stuff in it, the more allergy risks.

Your reaction might be due to some other ingredient of the probiotic. Have

you checked the other ingredients? A lot of probiotics have a base of corn, and

some people are allergic to corn.

francine

[Guest guest]

Hi Kim,

I have problems with taking my cal-dophilus, which is not dairy-

based, and so I take it with foods. I still think it is beneficial.

I'm not familiar with the products you mentioned but maybe just a

simple acidophilus such as cal-dophilus or primadophilus would be

okay for you.

Or try making the cabbage rejuvelac recipe, which is in the files on

our left side-bar. Other members are taking it with good results.

You might benefit by staying on the diet for up to 3 months or more

before adding antifungals and probiotics however.

Also, powdered or liquid supplements may be better for you to take,

if you can get them. If you can't you can cut supplements up into

smaller quantities, which may be more tolerable. Also you could put

tablets in a plastic bag and pound them with a hammer so they can be

dissolved in water or sprinkled onto foods. B vitamins will taste

the worst, but they are available in a liquid. Or you can take

Brewer's Yeast for B vitamins - evidently it does not react like

other yeasts in the body, therefore it causes no reactions in when

you have candida.

Like you when I had candida 18 years ago I was highly allergic to

many foods. At one point I could only eat 9 foods in the whole

world. I was on the candida program for 2-1/2 years at that time.

Let us know how it goes for you Kim.

I wish you the very best.

Bee

> Hi Everyone.

>

> I am discovering that my body can't tolerate having a probiotics

> supplement every day. I'm starting to get an allergic reaction if

I

> have a small dose of the probiotics powder even once a day.

>

> I was wondering if any of you have found they had to reduce the

> quantity or frequency of probiotics supplements?

>

> I know that any amount of probiotics will be helpful, even if it's

> only 2 or 3 times a week. Something is better than nothing! But

I'm

> a bit worried that I'll never eliminate the overgrowth at this rate.

>

> I already have to rotate my food due to allergic responses and can

> only take a vitamin/mineral supplement every 3rd day due to

> malabsorption. So I guess it's not surprising that I can't take

> probiotics each day.

>

> Anyway, any advice and experience with this would help.

>

> I just switched to Custom Probiotics 6-strain powder last week,

since

> my stomach couldn't handle Lyosan Acidophilus (dairy-based). I'm

> still trying to find a yogurt I can handle; making my first batch

of

> almond yogurt this weekend. I guess there could be one of the

> bacteria strains in the 6-strain powder that my body doesn't like;

> perhaps I should just stick to acidophilus only.

>

> Kim M.

[Guest guest]

Hi Bee.

Many thanks for all of the suggestions. I will try all of them and see what

works.

My digestive system is still very cranky, so I'm only eating about 10 things

too! Guess it's still trying to stabilize from all of the things that have

happened to it over the past 9 months (3 surgeries and lots of tests and

scans!) Unfortunately I can't handle too many vegetables, and none of them

raw. I'll have to wait a while before trying the rejuvelac.

I guess I'm trying too much at once, and will just stick to the elimination

diet for a while, and try the probiotics and antifungals again in a month or

so. I'm certainly going to avoid Diflucan since I had a very strong

allergic reaction to my 2nd dose the other night!

Kim M.

[Guest guest]

* I just switched to Custom Probiotics 6-strain powder last week,

since

> my stomach couldn't handle Lyosan Acidophilus (dairy-based). I'm

> still trying to find a yogurt I can handle; making my first batch of

> almond yogurt this weekend. I guess there could be one of the

> bacteria strains in the 6-strain powder that my body doesn't like;

> perhaps I should just stick to acidophilus only.

Hi,

* I have been taking Custom Probiotics for several months now, after

trying so many other probiotics. I take the six-strain powder 3 times a day

on an empty stomach. I also use their acidophilus powder after every meal. I

find it settles my stomach. When I call to order the owner talks to me a

long time, asking how I am doing and giving suggestions to help rid me of

this Candida. He seems to be knowledgeable and wants to help and encourage.

He recently suggested I stop all dairy intake, including the kefir I make

from Raw Goat’s Milk. He asked to just try it for two weeks. That was 2

weeks ago and I do feel better without the Kefir. I don’t know what the

answer is for you but everyone seems to be different, you just have to keep

slowly experimenting.

* Connie

[Guest guest]

Dear Kim,

You've had a really rough time of it eh? And trying to do too much

at once is not the best for you. " More is not better. " Giving your

body a chance to integrate and adjust to each change is going to be

better for you.

But it seems like you have a good plan now. You might need to be on

the diet for more than month. Another member, Francine, also has a

lot of food allergies and she can tell you what she is doing too.

You might try juicing vegetables, or even puree them in a blender to

aid your digestion too. Also taking digestive enzymes are helpful.

I suggest the simpliest ones like betaine hydrochloric acid with

pepsin.

The best to you,

Bee

> Hi Bee.

>

> Many thanks for all of the suggestions. I will try all of them and

see what

> works.

>

> My digestive system is still very cranky, so I'm only eating about

10 things

> too! Guess it's still trying to stabilize from all of the things

that have

> happened to it over the past 9 months (3 surgeries and lots of

tests and

> scans!) Unfortunately I can't handle too many vegetables, and

none of them

> raw. I'll have to wait a while before trying the rejuvelac.

>

> I guess I'm trying too much at once, and will just stick to the

elimination

> diet for a while, and try the probiotics and antifungals again in a

month or

> so. I'm certainly going to avoid Diflucan since I had a very strong

> allergic reaction to my 2nd dose the other night!

>

> Kim M.

[Guest guest]

Hi Connie

Thanks for sharing your experience with Custom Probiotics. It's good to

hear from others who are also using it.

I know my reaction isn't typical. It's just that my digestive system isn't

capable of much right now, so I'm just going to have to be patient and take

things slowly.

I'm learning!

Kim M.

[Guest guest]

Hi

I would wait until he's settled out the enzymes before starting anything

new. My son has yeast issues and probiotics help us to keep things under

control. It took a while to find what suits him best and its really a case of

trial

and error. We use

CP1 customprobiotics.com

Biokult biokult.com

other popular ones are

Culturelle vrp.com

threelac threelac.com

the Klaire range klaire.com

Primal Defense gardenoflife.com

Some others I forget but others here will pipe up.

All or any of these may cause a die off effect so start slow. Maybe posting

a bit more about your lad and his issues, particualry poops, gas, behaviours

etc will make it easier for others to hop in and say if they have had success

with ------.

HTH

Mandi in UK

does anyone

have any suggestions about how or when to intruduce those? or which

ones to try? would it be better to wait and see how the enzymes go and

then decide? would it be harmful to give them? are there any known

side effects?

[Guest guest]

thank you, Mandy. i will wait until he is up to a full dose of the two

enzymes we're starting with. i've jotted down all those sites so i can

keep doing my research. thank you again!

> Hi

> I would wait until he's settled out the enzymes before starting

anything

> new. My son has yeast issues and probiotics help us to keep things

under

> control. It took a while to find what suits him best and its really

a case of trial

> and error. We use

>

> CP1 customprobiotics.com

>

> Biokult biokult.com

>

> other popular ones are

>

> Culturelle vrp.com

>

> threelac threelac.com

>

> the Klaire range klaire.com

>

> Primal Defense gardenoflife.com

>

> Some others I forget but others here will pipe up.

>

> All or any of these may cause a die off effect so start slow. Maybe

posting

> a bit more about your lad and his issues, particualry poops, gas,

behaviours

> etc will make it easier for others to hop in and say if they have

had success

> with ------.

> HTH

> Mandi in UK

>

> does anyone

> have any suggestions about how or when to intruduce those? or which

> ones to try? would it be better to wait and see how the enzymes go and

> then decide? would it be harmful to give them? are there any known

> side effects?

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Andreea,

We need to know what the optimal temperature is to culture the specific

organism you are interested in testing for viability. There are web site with

this information [ I lost most links in my " Favourites " , so without hunting

around the net, I am unable to provide anything useful right off my

kefired-cuff]

It's also best to sterilize the milk first. Bring milk to a boil then cool to

desired temp, and then add organisms, and incubate at desirable temp. This

former is because some [or most?] commercially prepared probiotic organisms will

not favour competing with other organisms present in the medium [milk in your

case]. Not to mention that if there are other organisms already present in the

media, unless you have lab facilities and some know-how, it is impossible to

determine if in fact the probiotic was responsible for fermentation, or other

organisms were responsible.

Be-well whishes, from your host,

Do m oD [dom]

On 7/23/2005 12:38:44 PM, wrote:

> Hi,

> I've read you can test the probiotics you buy (and also make your own

using them as a starter) by putting the powder out of the capsules

into warm milk and let sit overnight. If they are active the milk

turns into something like yoghurt. I 've

tried this with my newly

bought Lactobacillus sporogenesis from Thorne but in the morning the

milk was still milk. Does this mean that I wasted my money? Should the

milk be kept warm all the time? Should I leave it longer? With my

kefir grains it works so magically over night...

Thank you for your input,

Andreea

[Guest guest]

Oops!! please excuse my signature in my last post tot his thread. I am NOT

the HOST of this list at all!!!

I thought I was replying to my own kefir list.

Be-well wishes, from a fellow member,

dom [blusheth me cheeks pinketh].

Re: question about probiotics

> Be-well whishes, from your host,

> Do m oD [dom]

[Guest guest]

Doesn't it all depend on whether the dry powder probiotics are

metaphilic or thermophilic?

To me one of the really BIG plusses about kefir is it's mesophilic. U

can culture it on the countertop... or even in the fridge!

I had been making live culture yogurt in those little cups. Unsat!

Anyway... I'm not a fan of those freeze dried " probiotic " capsules.

It takes a while to wake up freeze dried cultures. The stuff in the

pills would probably be expelled before it ever woke up.

> > Hi,

> > I've read you can test the probiotics you buy (and also make your

own

> using them as a starter) by putting the powder out of the capsules

> into warm milk and let sit overnight. If they are active the milk

> turns into something like yoghurt. I 've

> tried this with my newly

> bought Lactobacillus sporogenesis from Thorne but in the morning the

> milk was still milk. Does this mean that I wasted my money? Should

the

> milk be kept warm all the time? Should I leave it longer? With my

> kefir grains it works so magically over night...

> Thank you for your input,

> Andreea

>

>