a

[Guest guest]

Hi a,

Thank you so much. It's nice to know I have people around me who care!

Take care,

D in Minnesota

[Guest guest]

So how did you end up in Israel? And what has been your favorite

place to live? I have had litle opportunity to travel. I'd love to

someday though.

a

> > > Incidently , people bring their children here to everything,

> movies, restaurants, weddings, you name it.

> > F

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I am Brazilian, living in Israel, after many years of living in the States.....

clearer ? :-)

F

( ) Re: Fania

Where do you live? Israel? I thought it was Brazil. Just curious.

Also a good friend told me that both Germany and France were much

more kid friendly than the US. Interesting.

a

-- In , " Uplift " <uplift@0...> wrote:

> > Incidently , people bring their children here to everything,

movies, restaurants, weddings, you name it.

> F

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

---I'm not a, but I have thought alot about the types of

questions you ask, and have warned many new parents, simply because

it breaks my heart to think these helpless babies may also fall

into " Autism(aka Mercury poisoning). " I frequently find myself

asking, " I wonder if this one will be OK? " After much thought and

trying (in vain) to convince my neice to at least look at the facts

for her son who is 15 months old and due for his MMR... I very well

may have gone ahead and had my kids vaccined anyway, even if someone

would have warned me...not many new parents will do the research we

have done...we have done this out of desparation...looking for

answers. I trusted my kids' doctors...we are brainwashed to believe

that they know what is best...after all, they have all the

schooling..what 8 years to become a doctor? What we don't think

about is that they are TRAINED in MEDICINE,(to cover up the symptoms)

not necessarily HEALTH, and immnuology, etc. They are brainwashed

also.

I avoid Medical doctors as much as I possibly can these days.

Still Praying for God's guidance, Lindy

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In , " Mark Sircus " <sircus@w...> wrote:

>

>

> I have had much more success reaching new parents by educating

them with real concrete information. I don't try to inflame new

parents, because it simply doesn't work.

>

> Dear a,

> You said this a few days ago so I imagine you very much feel that

people should know so they avoid subjecting their children to the

harm that vaccines might very well bring. And yes I agree that basic

info is most useful with new parents.

>

> I wonder what you think would need to happen to actually get this

all to stop and what it would take to get people acting in a way that

would make it stop. Or are we just assuming it will not stop and is

impossible to stop so why bother trying to make it stop. These are

sincere questions..........

>

> Mark

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> what 8 years to become a doctor?

It takes a really long time to brainwash people into thinking it is OK

to poison babies - it is a difficult behavior to get them to engage in

while their brains are working properly. That is what those 100 hour

weeks in residency are for (now limited to " only " 80).

Andy . . . . . . ..

[Guest guest]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>I very well may have gone ahead and had my kids vaccined anyway,

even if someone would have warned me...not many new parents will do the research

we have done...we have done this out of desparation...looking for answers. I

trusted my kids' doctors...we are brainwashed to believe that they know what is

best...after all, they have all the schooling..what 8 years to become a doctor?

What we don't think about is that they are TRAINED in MEDICINE,(to cover up the

symptoms) not necessarily HEALTH, and immnuology, etc. They are brainwashed

also. I avoid Medical doctors as much as I possibly can these days.>>>>>>>>>

In addition to parents being brainwashed by doctors, they are also afraid of

them, and trust them in a god like way. Couple this with the many family

members, and friends that surround them, you have a pretty tough barrier to

break through. I have gotten so close to convincing some parents, only to have

them succumb to the pressure of their environment; parents, sisters, brothers,

aunts, uncles, friends, doctors all telling them vaccines are not only safe, but

they are the epitome of good health. It's peer pressure at its finest level!

It's worse than being in high school. This is why they need to see evidence and

facts, not just words on paper. We need to push our government at all levels to

get the truth out. They, the pharmaceutical companies, and many doctors already

know the truth. They are concealing it, because to release it would cause an

avalanche of law suits, higher prescription prices, loss of campaign money, etc.

It would set off a domino affect.

a

[Guest guest]

---DITTO.... I have come to the conclusion that I need to concentrate

my efforts on trying to cure my kids...people just simply do not

listen...it is scary to think our government would actually allow

toxic crap to be injected into our babies...so we simply do NOT want

to believe it. Fortunately, I think my daughters see the danger,

and wiil not vaccinate blindly when they are ready to have kids. The

sad fact is that there are so many more who won't/don't want to

listen to parents like us. It would be like taking a very blind leap

of faith and it is so much easier to trust

the " government...doctors...the experts. " Because this is what we

have been TAUGHT almost from birth. AAARRRGGHHH!!!

Lindy

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~In , pjand3kids <pjand3kids@j...>

wrote:

>

>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>I very well may have gone ahead and had my kids

vaccined anyway, even if someone would have warned me...not many new

parents will do the research we have done...we have done this out of

desparation...looking for answers. I trusted my kids' doctors...we

are brainwashed to believe that they know what is best...after all,

they have all the schooling..what 8 years to become a doctor? What

we don't think about is that they are TRAINED in MEDICINE,(to cover

up the symptoms) not necessarily HEALTH, and immnuology, etc. They

are brainwashed also. I avoid Medical doctors as much as I possibly

can these days.>>>>>>>>>

>

>

> In addition to parents being brainwashed by doctors, they are also

afraid of them, and trust them in a god like way. Couple this with

the many family members, and friends that surround them, you have a

pretty tough barrier to break through. I have gotten so close to

convincing some parents, only to have them succumb to the pressure of

their environment; parents, sisters, brothers, aunts, uncles,

friends, doctors all telling them vaccines are not only safe, but

they are the epitome of good health. It's peer pressure at its

finest level! It's worse than being in high school. This is why

they need to see evidence and facts, not just words on paper. We

need to push our government at all levels to get the truth out.

They, the pharmaceutical companies, and many doctors already know the

truth. They are concealing it, because to release it would cause an

avalanche of law suits, higher prescription prices, loss of campaign

money, etc. It would set off a domino affect.

>

>

> a

[Guest guest]

He will ONLY watch cartoons.

Usually ONLY Cartoon Network. Many of those shows are violent and or

magical. Many games tend to be violent or magical.

a

a

I know what you mean regarding cartoons.

Even though our generations cartoons were violent, I think when Bugs Bunny

shot Elmer Fudd or Sylvester - the terrible putty cat - blew himself up - we

knew it was fantasy because

rabbits and cats can't talk. LOL!!! But now, the cartoons are people -

some with

very big breast - I might add - haha - and they are more life like.

My Aspie - is 6 and he is quite the " rule follower " . If he puts the tv on

and it is

Samuri Jack or one of those other shows he isn't allowed to watch- he will

say - " uh oh - we better change the channel - we're not allowed to watch

this show. "

His favorite channels used to be Discovery and Animal Planet.

His new favorite channel is Home and Garden. LOL!!!

he's funny - but hopefully my landscaping will look good this year. LOL!!!!

Take care,

Dawn

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/31/03 12:01:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

dayton@... writes:

> His favorite channels used to be Discovery and Animal Planet.

> His new favorite channel is Home and Garden. LOL!!!

> he's funny - but hopefully my landscaping will look good this year. LOL!!!!

> Take care,

> Dawn

>

lol, I love hgtv! lol. But it hasn't translated into a wonderful yard or

house yet. Royce loves animal planet and discovery channel too. Reece doesn't

watch much tv at all except for Tom and Jerry cartoons. He will glue to them

and laugh throughout them. He wants the tv on hgtv at bedtime. I don't know

why except perhaps he finds it calming. ??

Roxanna ö¿ö

" ...don't forget what happened to the man who suddenly got everything he'd

ever wished for...

He lived happily ever after. "

Willy Wonka

[Guest guest]

a

We really did have a great time.

I would love to meet you some day too.

Where are you??

Dawn

I'm jealous! Sounds like a blast. I'd love to meet some of you guys.

I'm so happy ALL the kids had a great time.

a

[Guest guest]

a

hahahahaha

next time they will have all your paperwork in order and waiting for you.

Dawn

Should've seen at our last GI appt. I thought the dr would lose

his mind. He went searching for toys. We ended up w/ a small ball and

a ton of stickers. I'd feel bad for the office, but they lost our

results, the wait was long, etc. What do they expect?? a

[Guest guest]

a

I'm sure they would appreciate that.

hahahahaha

Dawn

Anyways if they expect

the kids to dress so particularly than the staff needs to have a very

strict code as well. In fact we could help you come up w/ one to

present to the school! I'd love to see their faces then! hehehe

a

[Guest guest]

________________________________________________________________________

IHowever he constantly talks outloud to

himself. And sometimes laughs oddly. And he's picked up several

peculiar habits w/ his hands and eyes that he does when conversing w/

others. I should be thrilled he's conversing. Yet I wish he acted

like he looks...more normal. Quirky is good. Interesting. But this

goes beyond that. Then I get the stares. The comments. The censure.

And I let it bother me. I seldom acknowledge this even to myself. I

feel guilty obviously. I should be proud of my son. Actually I am. I

should make sure everyone knows it. I should smile at these ignorant

people. Yet I find myself making excuses. Why should I ever be

compelled to tell a stranger my ds is PDD? I'm not talking about

people I simply pass at Walmart. It's more like the ones I meet

through the school where I volunteer. People I'm friendly with on a

regular basis, but whom are not friends per se. I feel like I have to

justify his behavior. Yet I'm really anal. I don't let his dxes be an

excuse. I think we can ALL improve ourselves. So I guess I DO have

high expectations. And in part that has been great for my ds. He is

as high functioning as he is in part due to my belief that we could

beat this. Yet I recently read an article posted here. An autistic

person wrote it. It compares NTs to dogs and autism to cats. Did you

read it? So now I'm thinking am I trying to wrongly change my ds?

Make him more like me? Oddly I have many spectrum traits myself. And

I always wanted to fit in, esp in middle school. By high school it

was neat to be more " individualistic " . I just assume he wants to fit

in too. So I thought I was helping him. Now I'm doubting. Oh I don't

mean I regret speech therapy, OT, etc. But me harping on tone of

voice, body language, not talking outloud to himself, etc. Should I

really change these things? Why are they wrong? He is not hurting

anyone by doing these types of things. At home I often let him go,

but in public I am hyper aware.

I guess I don't know where to draw

the line.OK I Bet you wish you had never asked!

a

a,

Asked? What DID I ask??? LOL! Just kidding. Well, it seems to me that

you are going through a normal, but painful growth process. I suspect that

there are those who will disagree with me, but I do believe that our

children are our teachers. And Hunter is teaching you something right now

through the pain and embarrassment you feel about his behavior. He's giving

you a gift of insight into yourself...into areas in your unconscious that

need to be healed. The fact that you are able to articulate and question

your feelings is a good sign. You are showing a willingness to try to

understand why you react the way you do. Willingness is the first step.

Just set that intention into your mind...next time you feel that

embarrassment from a behavior of Hunters, let yourself feel it fully, then

get quiet and say to yourself, " I am willing to understand. I am willing to

see this differently. " Then just listen quietly. If you can't do it in

that moment, do it in a quiet moment when no one else is around. Let

yourself feel every feeling that comes into your heart. Pay attention to

any old images that may be stirred up - maybe memories from your childhood

or teenage years when you felt unworthy or that you didn't fit in. Notice

how you feel about yourself right now. Do you feel good about yourself? Do

you accept yourself the way you are? Or do you need external validation..

like maybe the validation some people get from raising well behaved

students? If you are willing to do the work this takes to gain some

understanding of your feelings, then the strong reactions you have from

Hunter's behavior may not go away completely, but they should diminish. And

the concerns you have about what other people are thinking should diminish

too.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

Anne,

I am the one who posted that link, but I didn't do it to

> make you, or anyone, feel bad.

Oh I know that. I did that all on my own.

To me, this additional information is

> valuable. We expect our kids to learn to take others' feelings into

> account. It only makes sense for us to do the same. Understanding

> should flow both ways, eh?

It is valuable. You are very right. Sometimes I let everything

overwhelm to the point I can't think straight. I'm so glad you guys

are there to straighten me back out.

> Yeah, it's embarrassing. Oh well. Wait until your son becomes a

> teen-ager. You will be just as embarrassing to him, if not more

so!

Payback, eh?

Hugs, a

[Guest guest]

a,

You are his mother and you can not expect too much of him. Keep doing what you

are doing. You need to remember that you are the best thing he has and you will

always be the best. Expecting more out of him will only help him. take care

Betty

( ) a

Lately I've been told I expect too much from Hunter. And that

basically I should grow thicker skin. And that I'm letting society

dictate what is acceptable and appropriate. I mean certain dangerous

behaviors have to be addressed, but I think they were saying to deal

w/ the smaller simply embarrassing aspects of his personality. I

don't know! I'm confused in general. a

a,

Can you elaborate? Who is telling you this? What kinds of things are they

telling you are too much to expect?

I always try to clarify my motives by asking myself it is in something I

want because it' s in the best interest of my child, or if it's my ego

talking. It is not wrong to have high expectations of our children. I

know a mother who was told her low-functioning Aspie son was retarded when

he was younger and not to expect much of him.. She didn't believe it and

had to fight in school to get the school to increase their expectations of

him and teach him.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

Hmmm...you didn't ask??? oops! lol!

Great advice though.

Thanks, a

> a,

> Asked? What DID I ask??? LOL! Just kidding. Well, it seems to

me that

> you are going through a normal, but painful growth process. I

suspect that

> there are those who will disagree with me, but I do believe that our

> children are our teachers.

[Guest guest]

Thank you. Ya say the sweetest things. I'm feeling so much better.

Although I'm still quite anxious about thursday's meeting.

Pa

> a,

> You are his mother and you can not expect too much of him. Keep

doing what you are doing. You need to remember that you are the best

thing he has and you will always be the best. Expecting more out of

him will only help him. take care Betty

[Guest guest]

a,

No, no!! I did ask!! You're not going crazy! I was just joking

with you when I said " What DID I ask? " I was teasing that after your

long response, I forgot what the question was.

Anyway, the point of my post was to address your feelings about

Hunter's behavior so that you can help him to work on them and

improve them, but not be as emotionally and personally affected by

it. I hope you understood that. Your feelings are valid. I think

that many of us go through them. But in order to be the best

advocate for our children that we can be, we need to be able to grow

past our own issues that are triggered by their behaviors, so that we

don't feel as embarrassed and guilty. Embarrassment and guilt can

get in the way of advocacy. You have nothing to be embarrassed or

guilty about. You are you and Hunter is Hunter. Yes, you're his

mother, but he's not an extension of you. So there is no need to

feel embarrassed by his behavior.

Kathy

> Hmmm...you didn't ask??? oops! lol!

> Great advice though.

>

> Thanks, a

>

> > a,

> > Asked? What DID I ask??? LOL! Just kidding. Well, it seems to

> me that

> > you are going through a normal, but painful growth process. I

> suspect that

> > there are those who will disagree with me, but I do believe that

our

> > children are our teachers.

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

Gosh...I am feeling super blonde! Time to visit my hair dressor.

Your post was great. It helped. The only part that confused me was I

thought you hadn't asked afterall. I figured the need to share was so

strong I imagined it! lol.

a

> > Hmmm...you didn't ask??? oops! lol!

> > Great advice though.

> >

> > Thanks, a

> >

> > > a,

> > > Asked? What DID I ask??? LOL! Just kidding. Well, it seems

to

> > me that

> > > you are going through a normal, but painful growth process. I

> > suspect that

> > > there are those who will disagree with me, but I do believe

that

> our

> > > children are our teachers.

[Guest guest]

> Kathy,

>

> Gosh...I am feeling super blonde! Time to visit my hair dressor.

> Your post was great. It helped. The only part that confused me was

I

> thought you hadn't asked afterall. I figured the need to share was

so

> strong I imagined it! lol.

>

> a

ROFLOL! No, I definitely asked.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

<<<<< Now I wish I had simply

dealt with my confusing thoughts on my own.>

no no no... if you did that, then what is the point of the list ?

[Guest guest]

> Ugh...now I feel even worse. I was pretty certain I started this. Now

> I know for sure. I am terribly sorry. I never meant to cause a

> debate. I have been going through an extremely difficult time. I only

> wished to get both suggestions and support. Now I wish I had simply

> dealt with my confusing thoughts on my own. I'm actually back on

> track. I always get extremely indecisive before a big change. Anyways

> I am sorry.

>

> a

a,

It's not your fault. You said what you needed to say. None of it was

unreasonable. You could not have predicted the outcome. It appears that

somewhere in the following discussion, some words were interpreted or

misinterpreted as being offensive. However, your original topic was NOT out of

line.

in Massachusetts

[Guest guest]

Thank you for all the kind words. It means alot.

Hugs, a

[Guest guest]

Copy it first so you just paste and repost instead of retype! Also

I've noticed making it a new post helps. Weird!

a

> I have to type a message at least 4 times before one will actually

> post!

>

> Steph

[Guest guest]

Thanks!!

Steph

> Copy it first so you just paste and repost instead of retype! Also

> I've noticed making it a new post helps. Weird!

>

> a

>

> > I have to type a message at least 4 times before one will

actually

> > post!

> >

> > Steph