Re: Sugar/Flour Addict and IE

[Guest guest]

Seems to me like it could fit in with eating what your body wants. If your body doesn't react well to a food whether it is flour, sugar or gluten it seems like listening to that is very IE.JidySent from my iPhone

Interesting discussion. I am in my third week of eating gluten free to see if it helps with inflammation. I have chronic plantar facitis in my right foot and that is caused by inflammation. Over the past 2 weeks, I have felt terrific and so has my foot! So I think that there may be something to this! Because I am choosing to eat this way for my health, it totally feels like it is fitting in with IE. I guess because it is my choice whether I want to feel great or not so great.

Sunny, I could have written your post myself!

I desperately want to be able to eat the IE way, yet I wonder if I keep sabatoging myself from getting any form of success by keeping sugar and flour in my life? Believe me, and I know you know what I mean ... if anyone wants to be able to keep ALL foods, in a sane manner, in my life it would be me.

Eliminating any particular food is opposite to IE principles. I wonder if in this case however, if we must treat sugar/flour like those who would have a peanut allergy? It may not be a physical health risk, but, it really is an emotional life/death issue.

Yet, I do know that it is not uncommon for an individual to pack on the lbs before they finally 'get' the IE concepts. Perhaps this is simply where I am at. I want to be through this stage, but, I have resisted it and hence I have yet to release all the distruction of erroneous thinking around food and until I do I will not be able to stop bingeing? It would be nice to think that correct thinking would begin to happen 'sooner' rather than later.

Anyway, not that misery loves company, but, rather it is nice to knwo that someone completely understands.

Thanks for writing in. Hopefully someone can make some sense of what I have written above and be able to guide us down the road to life!

Carolyn

>

> Carolyn, I'm so glad you said this. I too am a sugar/flour addict. The

> guys at work bring their kids excess halloween candy to me and I put it in a

> bowl on the table just outside my office, but the rest of the big bag gets

> kept in a drawer in a filing cabinet until the bowl needs to be refilled.

> For a couple days I did fine. Then suddenly one day I had several of the

> mini candy bars. I mean like 12. The next day I swore, none for me...I

> have cea and one of my triggers is chocolate. My face was already

> breaking out from all of the candy around Halloween. I did ok until mid

> afternoon and I scooped up a big handful of the little candy bars again. When I

> went to throw away the last wrapper I noticed how big the pile of wrappers

> was in my otherwise empty trash can. I counted 15 wrappers that I could see!

> Then I put some paper in the trash to cover up the wrappers because I

> didn't want out housekeepers to see all that I ate in one day. That is an

> eating disorder. The only part of IE I really get and get well, is to eat

> anything I really want. Eat slowly? Eat only when hungry? Eat til you're

> full. I haven't figured out any of that. I can tell you I am so ashamed of

> myself for the gorging on sugars and it just happens over and over. I quit

> smoking 5 years ago with almost no trouble after 32 years. Why can't I get

> past this addiction too?

>

> Best!

>

> Sunny

>

> In Beaverton, OR

>

>

> In a message dated 11/13/2010 5:26:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

> crdoonan@... writes:

>

>

>

> Hi there,

> I have been one of those individuals who has begun the IE program, only to

> get so caught up with bingeing (on flour sugar products) that there has

> been no way of being successful in finding hunger. At this present time I

> find it incredulous that I have gained another 10 lbs.

> The only time I have known peace around food has been when, for possibily

> a year, I was abstinent from sugar and flour. If I am addicted to these

> two substances and am trying to find peace while keeping them in my life I

> cannot imagine how IE is going to work. I am sinking fast here and wonder if

> I should once again resume to cutting out flour and sugar while eating the

> IE way?

> Carolyn

>

[Guest guest]

Seems to me like it could fit in with eating what your body wants. If your body doesn't react well to a food whether it is flour, sugar or gluten it seems like listening to that is very IE.JidySent from my iPhone

Interesting discussion. I am in my third week of eating gluten free to see if it helps with inflammation. I have chronic plantar facitis in my right foot and that is caused by inflammation. Over the past 2 weeks, I have felt terrific and so has my foot! So I think that there may be something to this! Because I am choosing to eat this way for my health, it totally feels like it is fitting in with IE. I guess because it is my choice whether I want to feel great or not so great.

Sunny, I could have written your post myself!

I desperately want to be able to eat the IE way, yet I wonder if I keep sabatoging myself from getting any form of success by keeping sugar and flour in my life? Believe me, and I know you know what I mean ... if anyone wants to be able to keep ALL foods, in a sane manner, in my life it would be me.

Eliminating any particular food is opposite to IE principles. I wonder if in this case however, if we must treat sugar/flour like those who would have a peanut allergy? It may not be a physical health risk, but, it really is an emotional life/death issue.

Yet, I do know that it is not uncommon for an individual to pack on the lbs before they finally 'get' the IE concepts. Perhaps this is simply where I am at. I want to be through this stage, but, I have resisted it and hence I have yet to release all the distruction of erroneous thinking around food and until I do I will not be able to stop bingeing? It would be nice to think that correct thinking would begin to happen 'sooner' rather than later.

Anyway, not that misery loves company, but, rather it is nice to knwo that someone completely understands.

Thanks for writing in. Hopefully someone can make some sense of what I have written above and be able to guide us down the road to life!

Carolyn

>

> Carolyn, I'm so glad you said this. I too am a sugar/flour addict. The

> guys at work bring their kids excess halloween candy to me and I put it in a

> bowl on the table just outside my office, but the rest of the big bag gets

> kept in a drawer in a filing cabinet until the bowl needs to be refilled.

> For a couple days I did fine. Then suddenly one day I had several of the

> mini candy bars. I mean like 12. The next day I swore, none for me...I

> have cea and one of my triggers is chocolate. My face was already

> breaking out from all of the candy around Halloween. I did ok until mid

> afternoon and I scooped up a big handful of the little candy bars again. When I

> went to throw away the last wrapper I noticed how big the pile of wrappers

> was in my otherwise empty trash can. I counted 15 wrappers that I could see!

> Then I put some paper in the trash to cover up the wrappers because I

> didn't want out housekeepers to see all that I ate in one day. That is an

> eating disorder. The only part of IE I really get and get well, is to eat

> anything I really want. Eat slowly? Eat only when hungry? Eat til you're

> full. I haven't figured out any of that. I can tell you I am so ashamed of

> myself for the gorging on sugars and it just happens over and over. I quit

> smoking 5 years ago with almost no trouble after 32 years. Why can't I get

> past this addiction too?

>

> Best!

>

> Sunny

>

> In Beaverton, OR

>

>

> In a message dated 11/13/2010 5:26:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

> crdoonan@... writes:

>

>

>

> Hi there,

> I have been one of those individuals who has begun the IE program, only to

> get so caught up with bingeing (on flour sugar products) that there has

> been no way of being successful in finding hunger. At this present time I

> find it incredulous that I have gained another 10 lbs.

> The only time I have known peace around food has been when, for possibily

> a year, I was abstinent from sugar and flour. If I am addicted to these

> two substances and am trying to find peace while keeping them in my life I

> cannot imagine how IE is going to work. I am sinking fast here and wonder if

> I should once again resume to cutting out flour and sugar while eating the

> IE way?

> Carolyn

>

[Guest guest]

Seems to me like it could fit in with eating what your body wants. If your body doesn't react well to a food whether it is flour, sugar or gluten it seems like listening to that is very IE.JidySent from my iPhone

Interesting discussion. I am in my third week of eating gluten free to see if it helps with inflammation. I have chronic plantar facitis in my right foot and that is caused by inflammation. Over the past 2 weeks, I have felt terrific and so has my foot! So I think that there may be something to this! Because I am choosing to eat this way for my health, it totally feels like it is fitting in with IE. I guess because it is my choice whether I want to feel great or not so great.

Sunny, I could have written your post myself!

I desperately want to be able to eat the IE way, yet I wonder if I keep sabatoging myself from getting any form of success by keeping sugar and flour in my life? Believe me, and I know you know what I mean ... if anyone wants to be able to keep ALL foods, in a sane manner, in my life it would be me.

Eliminating any particular food is opposite to IE principles. I wonder if in this case however, if we must treat sugar/flour like those who would have a peanut allergy? It may not be a physical health risk, but, it really is an emotional life/death issue.

Yet, I do know that it is not uncommon for an individual to pack on the lbs before they finally 'get' the IE concepts. Perhaps this is simply where I am at. I want to be through this stage, but, I have resisted it and hence I have yet to release all the distruction of erroneous thinking around food and until I do I will not be able to stop bingeing? It would be nice to think that correct thinking would begin to happen 'sooner' rather than later.

Anyway, not that misery loves company, but, rather it is nice to knwo that someone completely understands.

Thanks for writing in. Hopefully someone can make some sense of what I have written above and be able to guide us down the road to life!

Carolyn

>

> Carolyn, I'm so glad you said this. I too am a sugar/flour addict. The

> guys at work bring their kids excess halloween candy to me and I put it in a

> bowl on the table just outside my office, but the rest of the big bag gets

> kept in a drawer in a filing cabinet until the bowl needs to be refilled.

> For a couple days I did fine. Then suddenly one day I had several of the

> mini candy bars. I mean like 12. The next day I swore, none for me...I

> have cea and one of my triggers is chocolate. My face was already

> breaking out from all of the candy around Halloween. I did ok until mid

> afternoon and I scooped up a big handful of the little candy bars again. When I

> went to throw away the last wrapper I noticed how big the pile of wrappers

> was in my otherwise empty trash can. I counted 15 wrappers that I could see!

> Then I put some paper in the trash to cover up the wrappers because I

> didn't want out housekeepers to see all that I ate in one day. That is an

> eating disorder. The only part of IE I really get and get well, is to eat

> anything I really want. Eat slowly? Eat only when hungry? Eat til you're

> full. I haven't figured out any of that. I can tell you I am so ashamed of

> myself for the gorging on sugars and it just happens over and over. I quit

> smoking 5 years ago with almost no trouble after 32 years. Why can't I get

> past this addiction too?

>

> Best!

>

> Sunny

>

> In Beaverton, OR

>

>

> In a message dated 11/13/2010 5:26:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

> crdoonan@... writes:

>

>

>

> Hi there,

> I have been one of those individuals who has begun the IE program, only to

> get so caught up with bingeing (on flour sugar products) that there has

> been no way of being successful in finding hunger. At this present time I

> find it incredulous that I have gained another 10 lbs.

> The only time I have known peace around food has been when, for possibily

> a year, I was abstinent from sugar and flour. If I am addicted to these

> two substances and am trying to find peace while keeping them in my life I

> cannot imagine how IE is going to work. I am sinking fast here and wonder if

> I should once again resume to cutting out flour and sugar while eating the

> IE way?

> Carolyn

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I find this discussion thread very interesting. On the one hand I can see that

sugar/flour/artificial sweeteners can be very addictive " substances " . I saw a

documentary that talked about how they act the same way in the brain that

heroin/cocaine do. So, given that, I would probably give up these substances for

a time & see if it makes a difference to how I feel. Also, by giving them up it

might give me a chance to see if I can make the other changes that IE requires

in order to be successful (using the other guidelines). There is so much

involved in overeating it would be impossible to solve without really delving

into the how, when & especially the why of our overeating.

What was going on for you when you were reaching into your desk for those hidden

candy bars? What were you feeling - bored, anxious,.....? How did you feel when

you covered over the empty wrappers with paper? Why did you feel this way? I

believe that these are excellent questions to journal about. You don't even have

to put it in an actual journal, you can write it on a piece of paper & burn it

after or shred it. I had serious " trust " issues when I started doing this work

about 20 years ago & the only way I could do it was if I was positive no other

human being would ever see what I had written.

Please keep asking yourself the questions & the answers will help you to

understand why you want to binge. And PLEASE remember to respond to yourself

with the KINDNESS & understanding that you would show a 2 year old.

Thank you for being here & sharing with us. It will get better.

mj

> > >

> > > Carolyn, I'm so glad you said this. I too am a sugar/flour addict. The

> > > guys at work bring their kids excess halloween candy to me and I put it in

a

> > > bowl on the table just outside my office, but the rest of the big bag gets

> > > kept in a drawer in a filing cabinet until the bowl needs to be refilled.

> > > For a couple days I did fine. Then suddenly one day I had several of the

> > > mini candy bars. I mean like 12. The next day I swore, none for me...I

> > > have cea and one of my triggers is chocolate. My face was already

> > > breaking out from all of the candy around Halloween. I did ok until mid

> > > afternoon and I scooped up a big handful of the little candy bars again.

When I

> > > went to throw away the last wrapper I noticed how big the pile of wrappers

> > > was in my otherwise empty trash can. I counted 15 wrappers that I could

see!

> > > Then I put some paper in the trash to cover up the wrappers because I

> > > didn't want out housekeepers to see all that I ate in one day. That is an

> > > eating disorder. The only part of IE I really get and get well, is to eat

> > > anything I really want. Eat slowly? Eat only when hungry? Eat til you're

> > > full. I haven't figured out any of that. I can tell you I am so ashamed of

> > > myself for the gorging on sugars and it just happens over and over. I quit

> > > smoking 5 years ago with almost no trouble after 32 years. Why can't I get

> > > past this addiction too?

> > >

> > > Best!

> > >

> > > Sunny

> > >

> > > In Beaverton, OR

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 11/13/2010 5:26:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

> > > crdoonan@ writes:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi there,

> > > I have been one of those individuals who has begun the IE program, only to

> > > get so caught up with bingeing (on flour sugar products) that there has

> > > been no way of being successful in finding hunger. At this present time I

> > > find it incredulous that I have gained another 10 lbs.

> > > The only time I have known peace around food has been when, for possibily

> > > a year, I was abstinent from sugar and flour. If I am addicted to these

> > > two substances and am trying to find peace while keeping them in my life I

> > > cannot imagine how IE is going to work. I am sinking fast here and wonder

if

> > > I should once again resume to cutting out flour and sugar while eating the

> > > IE way?

> > > Carolyn

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I find this discussion thread very interesting. On the one hand I can see that

sugar/flour/artificial sweeteners can be very addictive " substances " . I saw a

documentary that talked about how they act the same way in the brain that

heroin/cocaine do. So, given that, I would probably give up these substances for

a time & see if it makes a difference to how I feel. Also, by giving them up it

might give me a chance to see if I can make the other changes that IE requires

in order to be successful (using the other guidelines). There is so much

involved in overeating it would be impossible to solve without really delving

into the how, when & especially the why of our overeating.

What was going on for you when you were reaching into your desk for those hidden

candy bars? What were you feeling - bored, anxious,.....? How did you feel when

you covered over the empty wrappers with paper? Why did you feel this way? I

believe that these are excellent questions to journal about. You don't even have

to put it in an actual journal, you can write it on a piece of paper & burn it

after or shred it. I had serious " trust " issues when I started doing this work

about 20 years ago & the only way I could do it was if I was positive no other

human being would ever see what I had written.

Please keep asking yourself the questions & the answers will help you to

understand why you want to binge. And PLEASE remember to respond to yourself

with the KINDNESS & understanding that you would show a 2 year old.

Thank you for being here & sharing with us. It will get better.

mj

> > >

> > > Carolyn, I'm so glad you said this. I too am a sugar/flour addict. The

> > > guys at work bring their kids excess halloween candy to me and I put it in

a

> > > bowl on the table just outside my office, but the rest of the big bag gets

> > > kept in a drawer in a filing cabinet until the bowl needs to be refilled.

> > > For a couple days I did fine. Then suddenly one day I had several of the

> > > mini candy bars. I mean like 12. The next day I swore, none for me...I

> > > have cea and one of my triggers is chocolate. My face was already

> > > breaking out from all of the candy around Halloween. I did ok until mid

> > > afternoon and I scooped up a big handful of the little candy bars again.

When I

> > > went to throw away the last wrapper I noticed how big the pile of wrappers

> > > was in my otherwise empty trash can. I counted 15 wrappers that I could

see!

> > > Then I put some paper in the trash to cover up the wrappers because I

> > > didn't want out housekeepers to see all that I ate in one day. That is an

> > > eating disorder. The only part of IE I really get and get well, is to eat

> > > anything I really want. Eat slowly? Eat only when hungry? Eat til you're

> > > full. I haven't figured out any of that. I can tell you I am so ashamed of

> > > myself for the gorging on sugars and it just happens over and over. I quit

> > > smoking 5 years ago with almost no trouble after 32 years. Why can't I get

> > > past this addiction too?

> > >

> > > Best!

> > >

> > > Sunny

> > >

> > > In Beaverton, OR

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 11/13/2010 5:26:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

> > > crdoonan@ writes:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi there,

> > > I have been one of those individuals who has begun the IE program, only to

> > > get so caught up with bingeing (on flour sugar products) that there has

> > > been no way of being successful in finding hunger. At this present time I

> > > find it incredulous that I have gained another 10 lbs.

> > > The only time I have known peace around food has been when, for possibily

> > > a year, I was abstinent from sugar and flour. If I am addicted to these

> > > two substances and am trying to find peace while keeping them in my life I

> > > cannot imagine how IE is going to work. I am sinking fast here and wonder

if

> > > I should once again resume to cutting out flour and sugar while eating the

> > > IE way?

> > > Carolyn

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I just wanted to say ... Sunny, MJ, Jody and Sue, I truly appreciate your

responses. I am listening to the IE CD's this morning, with the hope that it

will click for me 'just for today' (one day at a time) and for this day 'I will

not fall off the wagon,' but, if I do to treat myself with love and kindness

through it.

Blessings on your IE journey.

Carolyn

[Guest guest]

I just wanted to say ... Sunny, MJ, Jody and Sue, I truly appreciate your

responses. I am listening to the IE CD's this morning, with the hope that it

will click for me 'just for today' (one day at a time) and for this day 'I will

not fall off the wagon,' but, if I do to treat myself with love and kindness

through it.

Blessings on your IE journey.

Carolyn

[Guest guest]

I just wanted to say ... Sunny, MJ, Jody and Sue, I truly appreciate your

responses. I am listening to the IE CD's this morning, with the hope that it

will click for me 'just for today' (one day at a time) and for this day 'I will

not fall off the wagon,' but, if I do to treat myself with love and kindness

through it.

Blessings on your IE journey.

Carolyn

[Guest guest]

Sugar and white flour are complicated. The way I see it, you could try two

things:

1) Cut them out, but only when you're really ready. Both sugar and white flour

cause us to crave more, so eating them intuitively might be very difficult.

However, cutting them out when you really don't want to will only set you up for

overeating because you'll feel deprived. When you realize the effects of sugar

and white flour are no longer worth the indulgence, when you get so sick of

feeling awful, cutting them out might seem like the obvious and easy thing to

do. Read about what sugar and white flour do in your body and healthy

alternatives. I loved The Truth About Beauty by Kat , which provides great

information on overcoming food addiction and addresses the biochemical

relationship with food that we often overlook.

or 2) Allow yourself to (consciously) eat all the sugar and white flour you want

in order to make peace with it. Eventually, you might get sick of it and start

craving something else, or it will seem less exciting when it's no longer

" forbidden " . If you haven't actually made peace with these foods, this is

probably a good route to take for the time being.

The important thing is not to force yourself into anything. Do what you feel is

right for you, when you're ready. I thought about cutting out sugar, but the

more I paid attention to what it did to my body and the more I read about its

effects on our bodies, I started eating less and less of it without really

meaning to. It takes time, but eventually you'll know what to do.

>

>

> Hi there,

>

> I have been one of those individuals who has begun the IE program, only

> to get so caught up with bingeing (on flour sugar products) that there

> has been no way of being successful in finding hunger. At this present

> time I find it incredulous that I have gained another 10 lbs.

>

> The only time I have known peace around food has been when, for

> possibily a year, I was abstinent from sugar and flour. If I am

> addicted to these two substances and am trying to find peace while

> keeping them in my life I cannot imagine how IE is going to work. I am

> sinking fast here and wonder if I should once again resume to cutting

> out flour and sugar while eating the IE way?

>

> Carolyn

>

[Guest guest]

Sugar and white flour are complicated. The way I see it, you could try two

things:

1) Cut them out, but only when you're really ready. Both sugar and white flour

cause us to crave more, so eating them intuitively might be very difficult.

However, cutting them out when you really don't want to will only set you up for

overeating because you'll feel deprived. When you realize the effects of sugar

and white flour are no longer worth the indulgence, when you get so sick of

feeling awful, cutting them out might seem like the obvious and easy thing to

do. Read about what sugar and white flour do in your body and healthy

alternatives. I loved The Truth About Beauty by Kat , which provides great

information on overcoming food addiction and addresses the biochemical

relationship with food that we often overlook.

or 2) Allow yourself to (consciously) eat all the sugar and white flour you want

in order to make peace with it. Eventually, you might get sick of it and start

craving something else, or it will seem less exciting when it's no longer

" forbidden " . If you haven't actually made peace with these foods, this is

probably a good route to take for the time being.

The important thing is not to force yourself into anything. Do what you feel is

right for you, when you're ready. I thought about cutting out sugar, but the

more I paid attention to what it did to my body and the more I read about its

effects on our bodies, I started eating less and less of it without really

meaning to. It takes time, but eventually you'll know what to do.

>

>

> Hi there,

>

> I have been one of those individuals who has begun the IE program, only

> to get so caught up with bingeing (on flour sugar products) that there

> has been no way of being successful in finding hunger. At this present

> time I find it incredulous that I have gained another 10 lbs.

>

> The only time I have known peace around food has been when, for

> possibily a year, I was abstinent from sugar and flour. If I am

> addicted to these two substances and am trying to find peace while

> keeping them in my life I cannot imagine how IE is going to work. I am

> sinking fast here and wonder if I should once again resume to cutting

> out flour and sugar while eating the IE way?

>

> Carolyn

>

[Guest guest]

Sugar and white flour are complicated. The way I see it, you could try two

things:

1) Cut them out, but only when you're really ready. Both sugar and white flour

cause us to crave more, so eating them intuitively might be very difficult.

However, cutting them out when you really don't want to will only set you up for

overeating because you'll feel deprived. When you realize the effects of sugar

and white flour are no longer worth the indulgence, when you get so sick of

feeling awful, cutting them out might seem like the obvious and easy thing to

do. Read about what sugar and white flour do in your body and healthy

alternatives. I loved The Truth About Beauty by Kat , which provides great

information on overcoming food addiction and addresses the biochemical

relationship with food that we often overlook.

or 2) Allow yourself to (consciously) eat all the sugar and white flour you want

in order to make peace with it. Eventually, you might get sick of it and start

craving something else, or it will seem less exciting when it's no longer

" forbidden " . If you haven't actually made peace with these foods, this is

probably a good route to take for the time being.

The important thing is not to force yourself into anything. Do what you feel is

right for you, when you're ready. I thought about cutting out sugar, but the

more I paid attention to what it did to my body and the more I read about its

effects on our bodies, I started eating less and less of it without really

meaning to. It takes time, but eventually you'll know what to do.

>

>

> Hi there,

>

> I have been one of those individuals who has begun the IE program, only

> to get so caught up with bingeing (on flour sugar products) that there

> has been no way of being successful in finding hunger. At this present

> time I find it incredulous that I have gained another 10 lbs.

>

> The only time I have known peace around food has been when, for

> possibily a year, I was abstinent from sugar and flour. If I am

> addicted to these two substances and am trying to find peace while

> keeping them in my life I cannot imagine how IE is going to work. I am

> sinking fast here and wonder if I should once again resume to cutting

> out flour and sugar while eating the IE way?

>

> Carolyn

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much for this post ... greatly appreciated. As you can imagine

this topic is not far from my mind these days, even when I am working on

university assignments it is ever lurking.

It is indeed a challenge to know the best way to tackle these substances which

can be pleasurable when eaten joyfully and in limited amounts, as would be the

IE way ... and so painful when eaten excessively, in a not for best health

manner ... a definite non IE lifestyle.

Cheers to full health!

Carolyn

> >

> >

> > Hi there,

> >

> > I have been one of those individuals who has begun the IE program, only

> > to get so caught up with bingeing (on flour sugar products) that there

> > has been no way of being successful in finding hunger. At this present

> > time I find it incredulous that I have gained another 10 lbs.

> >

> > The only time I have known peace around food has been when, for

> > possibily a year, I was abstinent from sugar and flour. If I am

> > addicted to these two substances and am trying to find peace while

> > keeping them in my life I cannot imagine how IE is going to work. I am

> > sinking fast here and wonder if I should once again resume to cutting

> > out flour and sugar while eating the IE way?

> >

> > Carolyn

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much for this post ... greatly appreciated. As you can imagine

this topic is not far from my mind these days, even when I am working on

university assignments it is ever lurking.

It is indeed a challenge to know the best way to tackle these substances which

can be pleasurable when eaten joyfully and in limited amounts, as would be the

IE way ... and so painful when eaten excessively, in a not for best health

manner ... a definite non IE lifestyle.

Cheers to full health!

Carolyn

> >

> >

> > Hi there,

> >

> > I have been one of those individuals who has begun the IE program, only

> > to get so caught up with bingeing (on flour sugar products) that there

> > has been no way of being successful in finding hunger. At this present

> > time I find it incredulous that I have gained another 10 lbs.

> >

> > The only time I have known peace around food has been when, for

> > possibily a year, I was abstinent from sugar and flour. If I am

> > addicted to these two substances and am trying to find peace while

> > keeping them in my life I cannot imagine how IE is going to work. I am

> > sinking fast here and wonder if I should once again resume to cutting

> > out flour and sugar while eating the IE way?

> >

> > Carolyn

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much for this post ... greatly appreciated. As you can imagine

this topic is not far from my mind these days, even when I am working on

university assignments it is ever lurking.

It is indeed a challenge to know the best way to tackle these substances which

can be pleasurable when eaten joyfully and in limited amounts, as would be the

IE way ... and so painful when eaten excessively, in a not for best health

manner ... a definite non IE lifestyle.

Cheers to full health!

Carolyn

> >

> >

> > Hi there,

> >

> > I have been one of those individuals who has begun the IE program, only

> > to get so caught up with bingeing (on flour sugar products) that there

> > has been no way of being successful in finding hunger. At this present

> > time I find it incredulous that I have gained another 10 lbs.

> >

> > The only time I have known peace around food has been when, for

> > possibily a year, I was abstinent from sugar and flour. If I am

> > addicted to these two substances and am trying to find peace while

> > keeping them in my life I cannot imagine how IE is going to work. I am

> > sinking fast here and wonder if I should once again resume to cutting

> > out flour and sugar while eating the IE way?

> >

> > Carolyn

> >

>

[Guest guest]

What was going on for you when you were reaching into your desk for those hidden candy bars? What were you feeling - bored, anxious,.....? How did you feel when you covered over the empty wrappers with paper? Why did you feel this way?

~~~

I have actually given a lot of thought into your questions (above). I know the experts believe we are eating out of some feelings, like boredom, sadness etc. What was I really feeling? Honestly, I was at work doing my job that I love, when I was suddenly hit with an urge to eat the candy. I told myself I didn't really want that...I had promised myself not to do that, my face is already a mess from previous encounters with the candy and yet those overwhelming thoughts of the candy continued. Even as I was reaching into the drawer for them, I kept telling myself not to do it. Even as I was pulling off the wrappers and chewing the candy. I wasn't bored, stressed, hurt, sad, lonely none of it. I was an addict going for my drug and ruining my life yet another inch. How did I feel when I covered it with paper? I was ashamed of my weakness, yet again, Why did I feel this way...because I am a fat person with a garbage can full of candy wrappers. A garbage can that is emptied every day so obviously it happened in one day. I felt like the housekeeper must think there wasn't any wonder why I am so fat. It all becomes self loathing in some respect that I can't seem to conquer this addiction. I can finally admit that it is an addiction though. I had given up all white flour and sugars for about 21 days before Halloween. Since then though, it's been a real struggle with some days so bad and others just enough off to insure a continuing of the issue.

I've considered addiction therapy but honestly since it's not drug or alcohol, it's not considered much. My last doctor kept tell me to try harder! I couldn't believe the ignorance of that advice. I actually eat very healthy foods when I'm not overtaken by the sugar. I have been fighting this for 30 years since I was 25. I've never won for more than a few months.

Sunny

Sunny

Best!SunnyIn Beaverton, OR

[Guest guest]

What was going on for you when you were reaching into your desk for those hidden candy bars? What were you feeling - bored, anxious,.....? How did you feel when you covered over the empty wrappers with paper? Why did you feel this way?

~~~

I have actually given a lot of thought into your questions (above). I know the experts believe we are eating out of some feelings, like boredom, sadness etc. What was I really feeling? Honestly, I was at work doing my job that I love, when I was suddenly hit with an urge to eat the candy. I told myself I didn't really want that...I had promised myself not to do that, my face is already a mess from previous encounters with the candy and yet those overwhelming thoughts of the candy continued. Even as I was reaching into the drawer for them, I kept telling myself not to do it. Even as I was pulling off the wrappers and chewing the candy. I wasn't bored, stressed, hurt, sad, lonely none of it. I was an addict going for my drug and ruining my life yet another inch. How did I feel when I covered it with paper? I was ashamed of my weakness, yet again, Why did I feel this way...because I am a fat person with a garbage can full of candy wrappers. A garbage can that is emptied every day so obviously it happened in one day. I felt like the housekeeper must think there wasn't any wonder why I am so fat. It all becomes self loathing in some respect that I can't seem to conquer this addiction. I can finally admit that it is an addiction though. I had given up all white flour and sugars for about 21 days before Halloween. Since then though, it's been a real struggle with some days so bad and others just enough off to insure a continuing of the issue.

I've considered addiction therapy but honestly since it's not drug or alcohol, it's not considered much. My last doctor kept tell me to try harder! I couldn't believe the ignorance of that advice. I actually eat very healthy foods when I'm not overtaken by the sugar. I have been fighting this for 30 years since I was 25. I've never won for more than a few months.

Sunny

Sunny

Best!SunnyIn Beaverton, OR

[Guest guest]

Hi Sunny,

My first thought on reading this is that although there may not have been a

strong emotion that triggered the eating, the candy is still forbidden to you.

Like REALLY forbidden based on my reading of your post. And so you eat the

first one and feel bad for eating it, which then triggers the emotion - shame,

guilt, self-loathing - which makes you eat more and more.

I'm wondering if you had given yourself permission to eat one, without guilt,

even if you weren't hungry, instead of telling yourself that you shouldn't, if

you would have ultimately eaten far less?

Also, have you considered a therapist that works with eating disorders or body

image issues? Maybe a person with that specialty would be more tuned in to the

issues associated with emotional eating than someone who works with addictions.

Josie

>

>

> What was going on for you when you were reaching into your desk for those

> hidden candy bars? What were you feeling - bored, anxious,.....? How did

> you feel when you covered over the empty wrappers with paper? Why did you

> feel this way?

>

> ~~~

> I have actually given a lot of thought into your questions (above). I

> know the experts believe we are eating out of some feelings, like boredom,

> sadness etc. What was I really feeling? Honestly, I was at work doing my

job

> that I love, when I was suddenly hit with an urge to eat the candy. I

> told myself I didn't really want that...I had promised myself not to do that,

> my face is already a mess from previous encounters with the candy and yet

> those overwhelming thoughts of the candy continued. Even as I was reaching

> into the drawer for them, I kept telling myself not to do it. Even as I

> was pulling off the wrappers and chewing the candy. I wasn't bored,

> stressed, hurt, sad, lonely none of it. I was an addict going for my drug

and

> ruining my life yet another inch. How did I feel when I covered it with

paper?

> I was ashamed of my weakness, yet again, Why did I feel this

> way...because I am a fat person with a garbage can full of candy wrappers. A

garbage

> can that is emptied every day so obviously it happened in one day. I felt

> like the housekeeper must think there wasn't any wonder why I am so fat. It

> all becomes self loathing in some respect that I can't seem to conquer this

> addiction. I can finally admit that it is an addiction though. I had

> given up all white flour and sugars for about 21 days before Halloween.

Since

> then though, it's been a real struggle with some days so bad and others

> just enough off to insure a continuing of the issue.

>

> I've considered addiction therapy but honestly since it's not drug or

> alcohol, it's not considered much. My last doctor kept tell me to try

harder!

> I couldn't believe the ignorance of that advice. I actually eat very

> healthy foods when I'm not overtaken by the sugar. I have been fighting this

for

> 30 years since I was 25. I've never won for more than a few months.

>

> Sunny

>

> Sunny

>

> Best!

>

> Sunny

>

> In Beaverton, OR

>

>

> In a message dated 11/14/2010 9:45:17 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

> imhere4u1232000@... writes:

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sunny,

My first thought on reading this is that although there may not have been a

strong emotion that triggered the eating, the candy is still forbidden to you.

Like REALLY forbidden based on my reading of your post. And so you eat the

first one and feel bad for eating it, which then triggers the emotion - shame,

guilt, self-loathing - which makes you eat more and more.

I'm wondering if you had given yourself permission to eat one, without guilt,

even if you weren't hungry, instead of telling yourself that you shouldn't, if

you would have ultimately eaten far less?

Also, have you considered a therapist that works with eating disorders or body

image issues? Maybe a person with that specialty would be more tuned in to the

issues associated with emotional eating than someone who works with addictions.

Josie

>

>

> What was going on for you when you were reaching into your desk for those

> hidden candy bars? What were you feeling - bored, anxious,.....? How did

> you feel when you covered over the empty wrappers with paper? Why did you

> feel this way?

>

> ~~~

> I have actually given a lot of thought into your questions (above). I

> know the experts believe we are eating out of some feelings, like boredom,

> sadness etc. What was I really feeling? Honestly, I was at work doing my

job

> that I love, when I was suddenly hit with an urge to eat the candy. I

> told myself I didn't really want that...I had promised myself not to do that,

> my face is already a mess from previous encounters with the candy and yet

> those overwhelming thoughts of the candy continued. Even as I was reaching

> into the drawer for them, I kept telling myself not to do it. Even as I

> was pulling off the wrappers and chewing the candy. I wasn't bored,

> stressed, hurt, sad, lonely none of it. I was an addict going for my drug

and

> ruining my life yet another inch. How did I feel when I covered it with

paper?

> I was ashamed of my weakness, yet again, Why did I feel this

> way...because I am a fat person with a garbage can full of candy wrappers. A

garbage

> can that is emptied every day so obviously it happened in one day. I felt

> like the housekeeper must think there wasn't any wonder why I am so fat. It

> all becomes self loathing in some respect that I can't seem to conquer this

> addiction. I can finally admit that it is an addiction though. I had

> given up all white flour and sugars for about 21 days before Halloween.

Since

> then though, it's been a real struggle with some days so bad and others

> just enough off to insure a continuing of the issue.

>

> I've considered addiction therapy but honestly since it's not drug or

> alcohol, it's not considered much. My last doctor kept tell me to try

harder!

> I couldn't believe the ignorance of that advice. I actually eat very

> healthy foods when I'm not overtaken by the sugar. I have been fighting this

for

> 30 years since I was 25. I've never won for more than a few months.

>

> Sunny

>

> Sunny

>

> Best!

>

> Sunny

>

> In Beaverton, OR

>

>

> In a message dated 11/14/2010 9:45:17 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

> imhere4u1232000@... writes:

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sunny,

My first thought on reading this is that although there may not have been a

strong emotion that triggered the eating, the candy is still forbidden to you.

Like REALLY forbidden based on my reading of your post. And so you eat the

first one and feel bad for eating it, which then triggers the emotion - shame,

guilt, self-loathing - which makes you eat more and more.

I'm wondering if you had given yourself permission to eat one, without guilt,

even if you weren't hungry, instead of telling yourself that you shouldn't, if

you would have ultimately eaten far less?

Also, have you considered a therapist that works with eating disorders or body

image issues? Maybe a person with that specialty would be more tuned in to the

issues associated with emotional eating than someone who works with addictions.

Josie

>

>

> What was going on for you when you were reaching into your desk for those

> hidden candy bars? What were you feeling - bored, anxious,.....? How did

> you feel when you covered over the empty wrappers with paper? Why did you

> feel this way?

>

> ~~~

> I have actually given a lot of thought into your questions (above). I

> know the experts believe we are eating out of some feelings, like boredom,

> sadness etc. What was I really feeling? Honestly, I was at work doing my

job

> that I love, when I was suddenly hit with an urge to eat the candy. I

> told myself I didn't really want that...I had promised myself not to do that,

> my face is already a mess from previous encounters with the candy and yet

> those overwhelming thoughts of the candy continued. Even as I was reaching

> into the drawer for them, I kept telling myself not to do it. Even as I

> was pulling off the wrappers and chewing the candy. I wasn't bored,

> stressed, hurt, sad, lonely none of it. I was an addict going for my drug

and

> ruining my life yet another inch. How did I feel when I covered it with

paper?

> I was ashamed of my weakness, yet again, Why did I feel this

> way...because I am a fat person with a garbage can full of candy wrappers. A

garbage

> can that is emptied every day so obviously it happened in one day. I felt

> like the housekeeper must think there wasn't any wonder why I am so fat. It

> all becomes self loathing in some respect that I can't seem to conquer this

> addiction. I can finally admit that it is an addiction though. I had

> given up all white flour and sugars for about 21 days before Halloween.

Since

> then though, it's been a real struggle with some days so bad and others

> just enough off to insure a continuing of the issue.

>

> I've considered addiction therapy but honestly since it's not drug or

> alcohol, it's not considered much. My last doctor kept tell me to try

harder!

> I couldn't believe the ignorance of that advice. I actually eat very

> healthy foods when I'm not overtaken by the sugar. I have been fighting this

for

> 30 years since I was 25. I've never won for more than a few months.

>

> Sunny

>

> Sunny

>

> Best!

>

> Sunny

>

> In Beaverton, OR

>

>

> In a message dated 11/14/2010 9:45:17 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

> imhere4u1232000@... writes:

>

[Guest guest]

I also find this topic interesting. I can tell you that there aren't words to

express how much I love carbs and sugar. I mean, seriously, I looooooooove

them! Atkins was about the only diet that I simply could not last more than a

day or two on. I seriously just wanted to kill people without my bread and

sugar. So, I have often wondered if I am addicted, but at various points, I

have also decided that I just don't want to lead an existence that doesn't allow

me to have the things I love so much because that's not living (that does sound

like the words of an addict, doesn't it? LOL).

Obviously, there are many points of view on this, so who knows who's right?

I've discussed this with my therapist and in observing her patients, some of

whom do have drug addictions, she says that she is in the camp that feels that

there is no such thing as a sugar addiction, the way it is popularly used. She

says that there definitely can be a pull toward it or an urge to eat it, but

that while she agrees that once we start, it's easy to keep eating it, she feels

that it's more about habit and the emotion we attach to it than it is about the

substance itself.

Personally, I *always* feel like I want to end a meal with something sweet, even

breakfast. Also, I've been in a terrible rut, recently, with sodas (I love

sugary drinks. An icy cold Coca Cola, now THAT'S like crack!! LOL). We've

agreed that I will try to only have one soda every other day for now, and I've

been largely successful with that over the last two weeks. But, more often than

not, I do still finish my meal with something sweet. I try to make it something

small and individual sized (i.e., a snack sized candy bar or 100 calorie pack of

something), so I can't overindulge. A couple of times, when I felt like I'd

already eaten too much, I did try to skip the sweet, and I actually did feel it

as a physical urge, but it did pass. I do think that for me, like the emotion,

if I can sit with it and know that it's going to be uncomfortable for a few

minutes, that I can get past it. I don't always *want* to do that, but knowing

that it's possible has been enlightening.

Josie

> > > >

> > > > Carolyn, I'm so glad you said this. I too am a sugar/flour addict. The

> > > > guys at work bring their kids excess halloween candy to me and I put it

in a

> > > > bowl on the table just outside my office, but the rest of the big bag

gets

> > > > kept in a drawer in a filing cabinet until the bowl needs to be

refilled.

> > > > For a couple days I did fine. Then suddenly one day I had several of the

> > > > mini candy bars. I mean like 12. The next day I swore, none for me...I

> > > > have cea and one of my triggers is chocolate. My face was already

> > > > breaking out from all of the candy around Halloween. I did ok until mid

> > > > afternoon and I scooped up a big handful of the little candy bars again.

When I

> > > > went to throw away the last wrapper I noticed how big the pile of

wrappers

> > > > was in my otherwise empty trash can. I counted 15 wrappers that I could

see!

> > > > Then I put some paper in the trash to cover up the wrappers because I

> > > > didn't want out housekeepers to see all that I ate in one day. That is

an

> > > > eating disorder. The only part of IE I really get and get well, is to

eat

> > > > anything I really want. Eat slowly? Eat only when hungry? Eat til you're

> > > > full. I haven't figured out any of that. I can tell you I am so ashamed

of

> > > > myself for the gorging on sugars and it just happens over and over. I

quit

> > > > smoking 5 years ago with almost no trouble after 32 years. Why can't I

get

> > > > past this addiction too?

> > > >

> > > > Best!

> > > >

> > > > Sunny

> > > >

> > > > In Beaverton, OR

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 11/13/2010 5:26:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

> > > > crdoonan@ writes:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi there,

> > > > I have been one of those individuals who has begun the IE program, only

to

> > > > get so caught up with bingeing (on flour sugar products) that there has

> > > > been no way of being successful in finding hunger. At this present time

I

> > > > find it incredulous that I have gained another 10 lbs.

> > > > The only time I have known peace around food has been when, for

possibily

> > > > a year, I was abstinent from sugar and flour. If I am addicted to these

> > > > two substances and am trying to find peace while keeping them in my life

I

> > > > cannot imagine how IE is going to work. I am sinking fast here and

wonder if

> > > > I should once again resume to cutting out flour and sugar while eating

the

> > > > IE way?

> > > > Carolyn

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I also find this topic interesting. I can tell you that there aren't words to

express how much I love carbs and sugar. I mean, seriously, I looooooooove

them! Atkins was about the only diet that I simply could not last more than a

day or two on. I seriously just wanted to kill people without my bread and

sugar. So, I have often wondered if I am addicted, but at various points, I

have also decided that I just don't want to lead an existence that doesn't allow

me to have the things I love so much because that's not living (that does sound

like the words of an addict, doesn't it? LOL).

Obviously, there are many points of view on this, so who knows who's right?

I've discussed this with my therapist and in observing her patients, some of

whom do have drug addictions, she says that she is in the camp that feels that

there is no such thing as a sugar addiction, the way it is popularly used. She

says that there definitely can be a pull toward it or an urge to eat it, but

that while she agrees that once we start, it's easy to keep eating it, she feels

that it's more about habit and the emotion we attach to it than it is about the

substance itself.

Personally, I *always* feel like I want to end a meal with something sweet, even

breakfast. Also, I've been in a terrible rut, recently, with sodas (I love

sugary drinks. An icy cold Coca Cola, now THAT'S like crack!! LOL). We've

agreed that I will try to only have one soda every other day for now, and I've

been largely successful with that over the last two weeks. But, more often than

not, I do still finish my meal with something sweet. I try to make it something

small and individual sized (i.e., a snack sized candy bar or 100 calorie pack of

something), so I can't overindulge. A couple of times, when I felt like I'd

already eaten too much, I did try to skip the sweet, and I actually did feel it

as a physical urge, but it did pass. I do think that for me, like the emotion,

if I can sit with it and know that it's going to be uncomfortable for a few

minutes, that I can get past it. I don't always *want* to do that, but knowing

that it's possible has been enlightening.

Josie

> > > >

> > > > Carolyn, I'm so glad you said this. I too am a sugar/flour addict. The

> > > > guys at work bring their kids excess halloween candy to me and I put it

in a

> > > > bowl on the table just outside my office, but the rest of the big bag

gets

> > > > kept in a drawer in a filing cabinet until the bowl needs to be

refilled.

> > > > For a couple days I did fine. Then suddenly one day I had several of the

> > > > mini candy bars. I mean like 12. The next day I swore, none for me...I

> > > > have cea and one of my triggers is chocolate. My face was already

> > > > breaking out from all of the candy around Halloween. I did ok until mid

> > > > afternoon and I scooped up a big handful of the little candy bars again.

When I

> > > > went to throw away the last wrapper I noticed how big the pile of

wrappers

> > > > was in my otherwise empty trash can. I counted 15 wrappers that I could

see!

> > > > Then I put some paper in the trash to cover up the wrappers because I

> > > > didn't want out housekeepers to see all that I ate in one day. That is

an

> > > > eating disorder. The only part of IE I really get and get well, is to

eat

> > > > anything I really want. Eat slowly? Eat only when hungry? Eat til you're

> > > > full. I haven't figured out any of that. I can tell you I am so ashamed

of

> > > > myself for the gorging on sugars and it just happens over and over. I

quit

> > > > smoking 5 years ago with almost no trouble after 32 years. Why can't I

get

> > > > past this addiction too?

> > > >

> > > > Best!

> > > >

> > > > Sunny

> > > >

> > > > In Beaverton, OR

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 11/13/2010 5:26:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

> > > > crdoonan@ writes:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi there,

> > > > I have been one of those individuals who has begun the IE program, only

to

> > > > get so caught up with bingeing (on flour sugar products) that there has

> > > > been no way of being successful in finding hunger. At this present time

I

> > > > find it incredulous that I have gained another 10 lbs.

> > > > The only time I have known peace around food has been when, for

possibily

> > > > a year, I was abstinent from sugar and flour. If I am addicted to these

> > > > two substances and am trying to find peace while keeping them in my life

I

> > > > cannot imagine how IE is going to work. I am sinking fast here and

wonder if

> > > > I should once again resume to cutting out flour and sugar while eating

the

> > > > IE way?

> > > > Carolyn

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I also find this topic interesting. I can tell you that there aren't words to

express how much I love carbs and sugar. I mean, seriously, I looooooooove

them! Atkins was about the only diet that I simply could not last more than a

day or two on. I seriously just wanted to kill people without my bread and

sugar. So, I have often wondered if I am addicted, but at various points, I

have also decided that I just don't want to lead an existence that doesn't allow

me to have the things I love so much because that's not living (that does sound

like the words of an addict, doesn't it? LOL).

Obviously, there are many points of view on this, so who knows who's right?

I've discussed this with my therapist and in observing her patients, some of

whom do have drug addictions, she says that she is in the camp that feels that

there is no such thing as a sugar addiction, the way it is popularly used. She

says that there definitely can be a pull toward it or an urge to eat it, but

that while she agrees that once we start, it's easy to keep eating it, she feels

that it's more about habit and the emotion we attach to it than it is about the

substance itself.

Personally, I *always* feel like I want to end a meal with something sweet, even

breakfast. Also, I've been in a terrible rut, recently, with sodas (I love

sugary drinks. An icy cold Coca Cola, now THAT'S like crack!! LOL). We've

agreed that I will try to only have one soda every other day for now, and I've

been largely successful with that over the last two weeks. But, more often than

not, I do still finish my meal with something sweet. I try to make it something

small and individual sized (i.e., a snack sized candy bar or 100 calorie pack of

something), so I can't overindulge. A couple of times, when I felt like I'd

already eaten too much, I did try to skip the sweet, and I actually did feel it

as a physical urge, but it did pass. I do think that for me, like the emotion,

if I can sit with it and know that it's going to be uncomfortable for a few

minutes, that I can get past it. I don't always *want* to do that, but knowing

that it's possible has been enlightening.

Josie

> > > >

> > > > Carolyn, I'm so glad you said this. I too am a sugar/flour addict. The

> > > > guys at work bring their kids excess halloween candy to me and I put it

in a

> > > > bowl on the table just outside my office, but the rest of the big bag

gets

> > > > kept in a drawer in a filing cabinet until the bowl needs to be

refilled.

> > > > For a couple days I did fine. Then suddenly one day I had several of the

> > > > mini candy bars. I mean like 12. The next day I swore, none for me...I

> > > > have cea and one of my triggers is chocolate. My face was already

> > > > breaking out from all of the candy around Halloween. I did ok until mid

> > > > afternoon and I scooped up a big handful of the little candy bars again.

When I

> > > > went to throw away the last wrapper I noticed how big the pile of

wrappers

> > > > was in my otherwise empty trash can. I counted 15 wrappers that I could

see!

> > > > Then I put some paper in the trash to cover up the wrappers because I

> > > > didn't want out housekeepers to see all that I ate in one day. That is

an

> > > > eating disorder. The only part of IE I really get and get well, is to

eat

> > > > anything I really want. Eat slowly? Eat only when hungry? Eat til you're

> > > > full. I haven't figured out any of that. I can tell you I am so ashamed

of

> > > > myself for the gorging on sugars and it just happens over and over. I

quit

> > > > smoking 5 years ago with almost no trouble after 32 years. Why can't I

get

> > > > past this addiction too?

> > > >

> > > > Best!

> > > >

> > > > Sunny

> > > >

> > > > In Beaverton, OR

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 11/13/2010 5:26:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

> > > > crdoonan@ writes:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi there,

> > > > I have been one of those individuals who has begun the IE program, only

to

> > > > get so caught up with bingeing (on flour sugar products) that there has

> > > > been no way of being successful in finding hunger. At this present time

I

> > > > find it incredulous that I have gained another 10 lbs.

> > > > The only time I have known peace around food has been when, for

possibily

> > > > a year, I was abstinent from sugar and flour. If I am addicted to these

> > > > two substances and am trying to find peace while keeping them in my life

I

> > > > cannot imagine how IE is going to work. I am sinking fast here and

wonder if

> > > > I should once again resume to cutting out flour and sugar while eating

the

> > > > IE way?

> > > > Carolyn

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know, ladies...it just seems to me that the more I eat of this stuff, the more I *want* to eat of this stuff, so as often as I can get myself to back off from it, the better I feel. I have a low-level wheat allergy that, when I eat a lot of flour products (even whole grain), makes me ill, and the more I eat, the worse I feel. But even when I'm fully aware that these things are making me feel terrible, I still want to eat more and more of them if I'm in one of my full-tilt flour/sugar modes. If that's not some kind of addiction, I don't know what is.

But whatever word I use to describe this, I know that for sure these substances make me feel physically ill. I, too, have rosacea, and eating sugar makes my face feel like I have the worst sunburn imaginable, and yet I eat sugar, mainly at work. I currently have a jumbo tub of tootsie rolls under my desk, and I must eat a handful of them each of the two days I'm in the office. I don't even especially like tootsie rolls, but I wanted something sweet at work (the stress there is phenomenal, and some days I literally hate my job), and didn't want real chocolate (which makes me seriously ill), but something sort of chocolatey. But this stuff is making me sick! So I decided today to stop eating wheat, just to see how I feel. So far today, I feel 200% better than I have in weeks--lots of energy, no bloating, no depression--so what's not to love?

But like you, Josie, I love those carbs! But seriously, they are physically debilitating for me. So I feel I do indeed need to find a way to do IE, but mindfully avoid eating these things that make me ill. Maybe if I spend a good deal of time watching any reactions I have if I do eat flour/sugar, it will, as someone else said, just fade away in time. I know I no longer even want chocolate, which I used to love, because it so quickly makes me ill, with heartburn and reflux, that I can't even look at chocolate anymore without feeling slightly ill. Maybe after this recent fiasco of too much bread and sugar, I'll be able to back away from these substances, too.

Laurie

Re: Sugar/Flour Addict and IE

I also find this topic interesting. I can tell you that there aren't words to express how much I love carbs and sugar. I mean, seriously, I looooooooove them! Atkins was about the only diet that I simply could not last more than a day or two on. I seriously just wanted to kill people without my bread and sugar. So, I have often wondered if I am addicted, but at various points, I have also decided that I just don't want to lead an existence that doesn't allow me to have the things I love so much because that's not living (that does sound like the words of an addict, doesn't it? LOL).

Obviously, there are many points of view on this, so who knows who's right? I've discussed this with my therapist and in observing her patients, some of whom do have drug addictions, she says that she is in the camp that feels that there is no such thing as a sugar addiction, the way it is popularly used. She says that there definitely can be a pull toward it or an urge to eat it, but that while she agrees that once we start, it's easy to keep eating it, she feels that it's more about habit and the emotion we attach to it than it is about the substance itself.

Personally, I *always* feel like I want to end a meal with something sweet, even breakfast. Also, I've been in a terrible rut, recently, with sodas (I love sugary drinks. An icy cold Coca Cola, now THAT'S like crack!! LOL). We've agreed that I will try to only have one soda every other day for now, and I've been largely successful with that over the last two weeks. But, more often than not, I do still finish my meal with something sweet. I try to make it something small and individual sized (i.e., a snack sized candy bar or 100 calorie pack of something), so I can't overindulge. A couple of times, when I felt like I'd already eaten too much, I did try to skip the sweet, and I actually did feel it as a physical urge, but it did pass. I do think that for me, like the emotion, if I can sit with it and know that it's going to be uncomfortable for a few minutes, that I can get past it. I don't always *want* to do that, but knowing that it's possible has been enlightening .

Josie

> > > >

> > > > Carolyn, I'm so glad you said this. I too am a sugar/flour addict. The

> > > > guys at work bring their kids excess halloween candy to me and I put it in a

> > > > bowl on the table just outside my office, but the rest of the big bag gets

> > > > kept in a drawer in a filing cabinet until the bowl needs to be refilled.

> > > > For a couple days I did fine. Then suddenly one day I had several of the

> > > > mini candy bars. I mean like 12. The next day I swore, none for me...I

> > > > have cea and one of my triggers is chocolate. My face was already

> > > > breaking out from all of the candy around Halloween. I did ok until mid

> > > > afternoon and I scooped up a big handful of the little candy bars again. When I

> > > > went to throw away the last wrapper I noticed how big the pile of wrappers

> > > > was in my otherwise empty trash can. I counted 15 wrappers that I could see!

> > > > Then I put some paper in the trash to cover up the wrappers because I

> > > > didn't want out housekeepers to see all that I ate in one day. That is an

> > > > eating disorder. The only part of IE I really get and get well, is to eat

> > > > anything I really want. Eat slowly? Eat only when hungry? Eat til you're

> > > > full. I haven't figured out any of that. I can tell you I am so ashamed of

> > > > myself for the gorging on sugars and it just happens over and over. I quit

> > > > smoking 5 years ago with almost no trouble after 32 years. Why can't I get

> > > > past this addiction too?

> > > >

> > > > Best!

> > > >

> > > > Sunny

> > > >

> > > > In Beaverton, OR

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 11/13/2010 5:26:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

> > > > crdoonan@ writes:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi there,

> > > > I have been one of those individuals who has begun the IE program, only to

> > > > get so caught up with bingeing (on flour sugar products) that there has

> > > > been no way of being successful in finding hunger. At this present time I

> > > > find it incredulous that I have gained another 10 lbs.

> > > > The only time I have known peace around food has been when, for possibily

> > > > a year, I was abstinent from sugar and flour. If I am addicted to these

> > > > two substances and am trying to find peace while keeping them in my life I

> > > > cannot imagine how IE is going to work. I am sinking fast here and wonder if

> > > > I should once again resume to cutting out flour and sugar while eating the

> > > > IE way?

> > > > Carolyn

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know, ladies...it just seems to me that the more I eat of this stuff, the more I *want* to eat of this stuff, so as often as I can get myself to back off from it, the better I feel. I have a low-level wheat allergy that, when I eat a lot of flour products (even whole grain), makes me ill, and the more I eat, the worse I feel. But even when I'm fully aware that these things are making me feel terrible, I still want to eat more and more of them if I'm in one of my full-tilt flour/sugar modes. If that's not some kind of addiction, I don't know what is.

But whatever word I use to describe this, I know that for sure these substances make me feel physically ill. I, too, have rosacea, and eating sugar makes my face feel like I have the worst sunburn imaginable, and yet I eat sugar, mainly at work. I currently have a jumbo tub of tootsie rolls under my desk, and I must eat a handful of them each of the two days I'm in the office. I don't even especially like tootsie rolls, but I wanted something sweet at work (the stress there is phenomenal, and some days I literally hate my job), and didn't want real chocolate (which makes me seriously ill), but something sort of chocolatey. But this stuff is making me sick! So I decided today to stop eating wheat, just to see how I feel. So far today, I feel 200% better than I have in weeks--lots of energy, no bloating, no depression--so what's not to love?

But like you, Josie, I love those carbs! But seriously, they are physically debilitating for me. So I feel I do indeed need to find a way to do IE, but mindfully avoid eating these things that make me ill. Maybe if I spend a good deal of time watching any reactions I have if I do eat flour/sugar, it will, as someone else said, just fade away in time. I know I no longer even want chocolate, which I used to love, because it so quickly makes me ill, with heartburn and reflux, that I can't even look at chocolate anymore without feeling slightly ill. Maybe after this recent fiasco of too much bread and sugar, I'll be able to back away from these substances, too.

Laurie

Re: Sugar/Flour Addict and IE

I also find this topic interesting. I can tell you that there aren't words to express how much I love carbs and sugar. I mean, seriously, I looooooooove them! Atkins was about the only diet that I simply could not last more than a day or two on. I seriously just wanted to kill people without my bread and sugar. So, I have often wondered if I am addicted, but at various points, I have also decided that I just don't want to lead an existence that doesn't allow me to have the things I love so much because that's not living (that does sound like the words of an addict, doesn't it? LOL).

Obviously, there are many points of view on this, so who knows who's right? I've discussed this with my therapist and in observing her patients, some of whom do have drug addictions, she says that she is in the camp that feels that there is no such thing as a sugar addiction, the way it is popularly used. She says that there definitely can be a pull toward it or an urge to eat it, but that while she agrees that once we start, it's easy to keep eating it, she feels that it's more about habit and the emotion we attach to it than it is about the substance itself.

Personally, I *always* feel like I want to end a meal with something sweet, even breakfast. Also, I've been in a terrible rut, recently, with sodas (I love sugary drinks. An icy cold Coca Cola, now THAT'S like crack!! LOL). We've agreed that I will try to only have one soda every other day for now, and I've been largely successful with that over the last two weeks. But, more often than not, I do still finish my meal with something sweet. I try to make it something small and individual sized (i.e., a snack sized candy bar or 100 calorie pack of something), so I can't overindulge. A couple of times, when I felt like I'd already eaten too much, I did try to skip the sweet, and I actually did feel it as a physical urge, but it did pass. I do think that for me, like the emotion, if I can sit with it and know that it's going to be uncomfortable for a few minutes, that I can get past it. I don't always *want* to do that, but knowing that it's possible has been enlightening .

Josie

> > > >

> > > > Carolyn, I'm so glad you said this. I too am a sugar/flour addict. The

> > > > guys at work bring their kids excess halloween candy to me and I put it in a

> > > > bowl on the table just outside my office, but the rest of the big bag gets

> > > > kept in a drawer in a filing cabinet until the bowl needs to be refilled.

> > > > For a couple days I did fine. Then suddenly one day I had several of the

> > > > mini candy bars. I mean like 12. The next day I swore, none for me...I

> > > > have cea and one of my triggers is chocolate. My face was already

> > > > breaking out from all of the candy around Halloween. I did ok until mid

> > > > afternoon and I scooped up a big handful of the little candy bars again. When I

> > > > went to throw away the last wrapper I noticed how big the pile of wrappers

> > > > was in my otherwise empty trash can. I counted 15 wrappers that I could see!

> > > > Then I put some paper in the trash to cover up the wrappers because I

> > > > didn't want out housekeepers to see all that I ate in one day. That is an

> > > > eating disorder. The only part of IE I really get and get well, is to eat

> > > > anything I really want. Eat slowly? Eat only when hungry? Eat til you're

> > > > full. I haven't figured out any of that. I can tell you I am so ashamed of

> > > > myself for the gorging on sugars and it just happens over and over. I quit

> > > > smoking 5 years ago with almost no trouble after 32 years. Why can't I get

> > > > past this addiction too?

> > > >

> > > > Best!

> > > >

> > > > Sunny

> > > >

> > > > In Beaverton, OR

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 11/13/2010 5:26:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

> > > > crdoonan@ writes:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi there,

> > > > I have been one of those individuals who has begun the IE program, only to

> > > > get so caught up with bingeing (on flour sugar products) that there has

> > > > been no way of being successful in finding hunger. At this present time I

> > > > find it incredulous that I have gained another 10 lbs.

> > > > The only time I have known peace around food has been when, for possibily

> > > > a year, I was abstinent from sugar and flour. If I am addicted to these

> > > > two substances and am trying to find peace while keeping them in my life I

> > > > cannot imagine how IE is going to work. I am sinking fast here and wonder if

> > > > I should once again resume to cutting out flour and sugar while eating the

> > > > IE way?

> > > > Carolyn

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Sunny,

Answering those questions was a really big step toward figuring out what the

binge eating is about. All I can think about is, when I quit smoking, there was

no way I would have gone out & bought a pack of cigarettes & kept them in my

bedside table. I wouldn't even have trusted myself with a single one because I

remember the times when I had tried to quit & didn't have cigarettes in the

house but crawled into the fireplace trying to find enough butts to straighten

out. My husband & I were very fortunate that when we finally made the decision

to quit because I was pregnant, every time we were about to break down & ask

someone for a smoke it was their last one. That was 35 years ago & I'm still not

sure I would be able to trust myself with having cigarettes in the house today.

And why would I even attempt it just to prove something to myself.

With alcohol it was a bit different for me, I looked at my behavior around it &

realized that I didn't want to wake up one more time with a headache & I'd been

up close & personal with enough toilet bowls so I promised myself never to let

myself get out of " control " ever again where alcohol was concerned. And I

haven't, I can have any kind of alcohol in my house, no problem. I can have one

drink & not need to have another & that also has been 35 years.

Now, when it comes to food, it's a different story. All I can really say is that

there are times when I can have just one piece of cake & leave it at that &

there are times, like yesterday & today, where I will knowingly walk back &

forth to my kitchen cutting piece after piece until it is all gone. A friend

brought over a poppyseed bundt yesterday & I've eaten about half of it by

myself. So, now I have to ask myself, " what was going on for me that I couldn't

stop going back for more. " Good question, and again, it seems to go back to

missing my mom, because it was HER friend that came & brought the cake & that

must have set up the " cravings " the " emptiness " that cannot be be filled by

food yet I kept trying to fill that void with the " sweetness " of food. Guess

what, it DIDN'T work, my mom is still gone & no amount of cake will bring her

back. OMG, how long is this going to go on before I get " it " ? Food will NOT

work. I'm a slow learner, I guess but maybe if every time it happens, I post,

you all might get sick of seeing them but maybe it will finally sink in for me

that THE FOOD IS NOT LOVE & never will be.

thanks for reading. it helps to get it " out " . There is one piece of cake left &

I'm going to ask my husband to either eat it or put it in the freezer so I won't

see it or think about it. There are times when I think I am addicted to food

(like when I am trying to numb an emotion) because that is when I am out of

" control " & yet, most of the time I can have any type of food in the house & not

be bothered by it. Very strange. One thing that I am happy about is that I

didn't beat myself up about it & I didn't let the " voice " take over, I came to

my computer & wrote it out. That seemed like a much kinder thing to do for

myself.

mj

>

>

> What was going on for you when you were reaching into your desk for those

> hidden candy bars? What were you feeling - bored, anxious,.....? How did

> you feel when you covered over the empty wrappers with paper? Why did you

> feel this way?

>

> ~~~

> I have actually given a lot of thought into your questions (above). I

> know the experts believe we are eating out of some feelings, like boredom,

> sadness etc. What was I really feeling? Honestly, I was at work doing my

job

> that I love, when I was suddenly hit with an urge to eat the candy. I

> told myself I didn't really want that...I had promised myself not to do that,

> my face is already a mess from previous encounters with the candy and yet

> those overwhelming thoughts of the candy continued. Even as I was reaching

> into the drawer for them, I kept telling myself not to do it. Even as I

> was pulling off the wrappers and chewing the candy. I wasn't bored,

> stressed, hurt, sad, lonely none of it. I was an addict going for my drug

and

> ruining my life yet another inch. How did I feel when I covered it with

paper?

> I was ashamed of my weakness, yet again, Why did I feel this

> way...because I am a fat person with a garbage can full of candy wrappers. A

garbage

> can that is emptied every day so obviously it happened in one day. I felt

> like the housekeeper must think there wasn't any wonder why I am so fat. It

> all becomes self loathing in some respect that I can't seem to conquer this

> addiction. I can finally admit that it is an addiction though. I had

> given up all white flour and sugars for about 21 days before Halloween.

Since

> then though, it's been a real struggle with some days so bad and others

> just enough off to insure a continuing of the issue.

>

> I've considered addiction therapy but honestly since it's not drug or

> alcohol, it's not considered much. My last doctor kept tell me to try

harder!

> I couldn't believe the ignorance of that advice. I actually eat very

> healthy foods when I'm not overtaken by the sugar. I have been fighting this

for

> 30 years since I was 25. I've never won for more than a few months.

>

> Sunny

>

> Sunny

>

> Best!

>

> Sunny

>

> In Beaverton, OR

>

>

> In a message dated 11/14/2010 9:45:17 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

> imhere4u1232000@... writes:

>