Re: Sugar/Flour Addict and IE

[Guest guest]

But if you instead, tell yourself you can a piece of candy when you feel hungry, then you stop the deprivation/eat/guilt cycle.

~~~~~~~~~

I am haivng huge problems with eating only when I am hungry. When the huge cravings come on it's rarely ever due to hunger. Telling myself I can have it when I'm hungry does nothing to stop the total singelminded craving as much as I wish it would. I'm hoping I can someday accomplish eating only when I'm hungry instead of designated times, then I can work on telling the candy it can wait until I'm hungry...when I can do it with regular food.

Sunny

Re: Sugar/Flour Addict and IE

What would happen if you gave yourself permission to eat that candy?

It sounds to me like you keep trying to prevent yourself from eating it. But by telling yourself your shoudn't/can't have the candy then you will want it. But if you instead, tell yourself you can a piece of candy when you feel hungry, then you stop the deprivation/eat/guilt cycle.

I believe there are postings from a while ago on the topic of addiction to sugar. I believe Gillian, our dear moderator, has responded to some previous postings on the subject. You might want to try and check out the archives. You might find some good info on the topic.

Alana

> >

> > Carolyn, I'm so glad you said this. I too am a sugar/flour addict. The > > guys at work bring their kids excess halloween candy to me and I put it in a > > bowl on the table just outside my office, but the rest of the big bag gets > > kept in a drawer in a filing cabinet until the bowl needs to be refilled. > > For a couple days I did fine. Then suddenly one day I had several of the > > mini candy bars. I mean like 12. The next day I swore, none for me...I > > have cea and one of my triggers is chocolate. My face was already > > breaking out from all of the candy around Halloween. I did ok until mid > > afternoon and I scooped up a big handful of the little candy bars again. When I > > went to throw away the last wrapper I noticed how big the pile of wrappers > > was in my otherwise empty trash can. I counted 15 wrappers that I could see! > > Then I put some paper in the trash to cover up the wrappers because I > > didn't want out housekeepers to see all that I ate in one day. That is an > > eating disorder. The only part of IE I really get and get well, is to eat > > anything I really want. Eat slowly? Eat only when hungry? Eat til you're > > full. I haven't figured out any of that. I can tell you I am so ashamed of > > myself for the gorging on sugars and it just happens over and over. I quit > > smoking 5 years ago with almost no trouble after 32 years. Why can't I get > > past this addiction too?

> > > > Best!

> > > > Sunny

> > > > In Beaverton, OR > > > > > > In a message dated 11/13/2010 5:26:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > > crdoonan@ writes:

> > > > > > > > Hi there, > > I have been one of those individuals who has begun the IE program, only to > > get so caught up with bingeing (on flour sugar products) that there has > > been no way of being successful in finding hunger. At this present time I > > find it incredulous that I have gained another 10 lbs. > > The only time I have known peace around food has been when, for possibily > > a year, I was abstinent from sugar and flour. If I am addicted to these > > two substances and am trying to find peace while keeping them in my life I > > cannot imagine how IE is going to work. I am sinking fast here and wonder if > > I should once again resume to cutting out flour and sugar while eating the > > IE way? > > Carolyn

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

But if you instead, tell yourself you can a piece of candy when you feel hungry, then you stop the deprivation/eat/guilt cycle.

~~~~~~~~~

I am haivng huge problems with eating only when I am hungry. When the huge cravings come on it's rarely ever due to hunger. Telling myself I can have it when I'm hungry does nothing to stop the total singelminded craving as much as I wish it would. I'm hoping I can someday accomplish eating only when I'm hungry instead of designated times, then I can work on telling the candy it can wait until I'm hungry...when I can do it with regular food.

Sunny

Re: Sugar/Flour Addict and IE

What would happen if you gave yourself permission to eat that candy?

It sounds to me like you keep trying to prevent yourself from eating it. But by telling yourself your shoudn't/can't have the candy then you will want it. But if you instead, tell yourself you can a piece of candy when you feel hungry, then you stop the deprivation/eat/guilt cycle.

I believe there are postings from a while ago on the topic of addiction to sugar. I believe Gillian, our dear moderator, has responded to some previous postings on the subject. You might want to try and check out the archives. You might find some good info on the topic.

Alana

> >

> > Carolyn, I'm so glad you said this. I too am a sugar/flour addict. The > > guys at work bring their kids excess halloween candy to me and I put it in a > > bowl on the table just outside my office, but the rest of the big bag gets > > kept in a drawer in a filing cabinet until the bowl needs to be refilled. > > For a couple days I did fine. Then suddenly one day I had several of the > > mini candy bars. I mean like 12. The next day I swore, none for me...I > > have cea and one of my triggers is chocolate. My face was already > > breaking out from all of the candy around Halloween. I did ok until mid > > afternoon and I scooped up a big handful of the little candy bars again. When I > > went to throw away the last wrapper I noticed how big the pile of wrappers > > was in my otherwise empty trash can. I counted 15 wrappers that I could see! > > Then I put some paper in the trash to cover up the wrappers because I > > didn't want out housekeepers to see all that I ate in one day. That is an > > eating disorder. The only part of IE I really get and get well, is to eat > > anything I really want. Eat slowly? Eat only when hungry? Eat til you're > > full. I haven't figured out any of that. I can tell you I am so ashamed of > > myself for the gorging on sugars and it just happens over and over. I quit > > smoking 5 years ago with almost no trouble after 32 years. Why can't I get > > past this addiction too?

> > > > Best!

> > > > Sunny

> > > > In Beaverton, OR > > > > > > In a message dated 11/13/2010 5:26:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > > crdoonan@ writes:

> > > > > > > > Hi there, > > I have been one of those individuals who has begun the IE program, only to > > get so caught up with bingeing (on flour sugar products) that there has > > been no way of being successful in finding hunger. At this present time I > > find it incredulous that I have gained another 10 lbs. > > The only time I have known peace around food has been when, for possibily > > a year, I was abstinent from sugar and flour. If I am addicted to these > > two substances and am trying to find peace while keeping them in my life I > > cannot imagine how IE is going to work. I am sinking fast here and wonder if > > I should once again resume to cutting out flour and sugar while eating the > > IE way? > > Carolyn

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

Actually, telling myself I can have it when I am hungry (or after a meal) does

work very well for me. Most of the time the " craving " is happening when I am NOT

hungry & so if the next time that happens I tell myself THAT & then journal or

do body inquiry into why I want XXXX maybe I will get to the root of why I am

wanting xxxx when I am not hungry.

I'm going to try to remember that next time I have a " craving " . Isn't it funny

how I never seem to get cravings for a salad. LOL. It's always for salty or

sweet that the 'cravings' are reserved for.

mj

> >

> > Carolyn, I'm so glad you said this. I too am a sugar/flour addict. The

> > guys at work bring their kids excess halloween candy to me and I put it in

>

> > bowl on the table just outside my office, but the rest of the big bag gets

> > kept in a drawer in a filing cabinet until the bowl needs to be refilled.

> > For a couple days I did fine. Then suddenly one day I had several of the

> > mini candy bars. I mean like 12. The next day I swore, none for me...I

> > have cea and one of my triggers is chocolate. My face was already

> > breaking out from all of the candy around Halloween. I did ok until mid

> > afternoon and I scooped up a big handful of the little candy bars again.

> hen I

> > went to throw away the last wrapper I noticed how big the pile of wrappers

> > was in my otherwise empty trash can. I counted 15 wrappers that I could

> ee!

> > Then I put some paper in the trash to cover up the wrappers because I

> > didn't want out housekeepers to see all that I ate in one day. That is an

> > eating disorder. The only part of IE I really get and get well, is to eat

> > anything I really want. Eat slowly? Eat only when hungry? Eat til

you're

> > > full. I haven't figured out any of that. I can tell you I am so ashamed

> f

> > myself for the gorging on sugars and it just happens over and over. I quit

> > smoking 5 years ago with almost no trouble after 32 years. Why can't I get

> > past this addiction too?

> >

> > Best!

> >

> > Sunny

> >

> > In Beaverton, OR

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 11/13/2010 5:26:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

> > crdoonan@ writes:

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi there,

> > I have been one of those individuals who has begun the IE program, only to

> > get so caught up with bingeing (on flour sugar products) that there has

> > been no way of being successful in finding hunger. At this present time I

> > find it incredulous that I have gained another 10 lbs.

> > The only time I have known peace around food has been when, for possibily

> > a year, I was abstinent from sugar and flour. If I am addicted to these

> > two substances and am trying to find peace while keeping them in my life I

> > cannot imagine how IE is going to work. I am sinking fast here and wonder

> f

> > I should once again resume to cutting out flour and sugar while eating the

> > IE way?

> > Carolyn

> >

>

>

>

> -----------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

Actually, telling myself I can have it when I am hungry (or after a meal) does

work very well for me. Most of the time the " craving " is happening when I am NOT

hungry & so if the next time that happens I tell myself THAT & then journal or

do body inquiry into why I want XXXX maybe I will get to the root of why I am

wanting xxxx when I am not hungry.

I'm going to try to remember that next time I have a " craving " . Isn't it funny

how I never seem to get cravings for a salad. LOL. It's always for salty or

sweet that the 'cravings' are reserved for.

mj

> >

> > Carolyn, I'm so glad you said this. I too am a sugar/flour addict. The

> > guys at work bring their kids excess halloween candy to me and I put it in

>

> > bowl on the table just outside my office, but the rest of the big bag gets

> > kept in a drawer in a filing cabinet until the bowl needs to be refilled.

> > For a couple days I did fine. Then suddenly one day I had several of the

> > mini candy bars. I mean like 12. The next day I swore, none for me...I

> > have cea and one of my triggers is chocolate. My face was already

> > breaking out from all of the candy around Halloween. I did ok until mid

> > afternoon and I scooped up a big handful of the little candy bars again.

> hen I

> > went to throw away the last wrapper I noticed how big the pile of wrappers

> > was in my otherwise empty trash can. I counted 15 wrappers that I could

> ee!

> > Then I put some paper in the trash to cover up the wrappers because I

> > didn't want out housekeepers to see all that I ate in one day. That is an

> > eating disorder. The only part of IE I really get and get well, is to eat

> > anything I really want. Eat slowly? Eat only when hungry? Eat til

you're

> > > full. I haven't figured out any of that. I can tell you I am so ashamed

> f

> > myself for the gorging on sugars and it just happens over and over. I quit

> > smoking 5 years ago with almost no trouble after 32 years. Why can't I get

> > past this addiction too?

> >

> > Best!

> >

> > Sunny

> >

> > In Beaverton, OR

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 11/13/2010 5:26:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

> > crdoonan@ writes:

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi there,

> > I have been one of those individuals who has begun the IE program, only to

> > get so caught up with bingeing (on flour sugar products) that there has

> > been no way of being successful in finding hunger. At this present time I

> > find it incredulous that I have gained another 10 lbs.

> > The only time I have known peace around food has been when, for possibily

> > a year, I was abstinent from sugar and flour. If I am addicted to these

> > two substances and am trying to find peace while keeping them in my life I

> > cannot imagine how IE is going to work. I am sinking fast here and wonder

> f

> > I should once again resume to cutting out flour and sugar while eating the

> > IE way?

> > Carolyn

> >

>

>

>

> -----------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

Actually, telling myself I can have it when I am hungry (or after a meal) does

work very well for me. Most of the time the " craving " is happening when I am NOT

hungry & so if the next time that happens I tell myself THAT & then journal or

do body inquiry into why I want XXXX maybe I will get to the root of why I am

wanting xxxx when I am not hungry.

I'm going to try to remember that next time I have a " craving " . Isn't it funny

how I never seem to get cravings for a salad. LOL. It's always for salty or

sweet that the 'cravings' are reserved for.

mj

> >

> > Carolyn, I'm so glad you said this. I too am a sugar/flour addict. The

> > guys at work bring their kids excess halloween candy to me and I put it in

>

> > bowl on the table just outside my office, but the rest of the big bag gets

> > kept in a drawer in a filing cabinet until the bowl needs to be refilled.

> > For a couple days I did fine. Then suddenly one day I had several of the

> > mini candy bars. I mean like 12. The next day I swore, none for me...I

> > have cea and one of my triggers is chocolate. My face was already

> > breaking out from all of the candy around Halloween. I did ok until mid

> > afternoon and I scooped up a big handful of the little candy bars again.

> hen I

> > went to throw away the last wrapper I noticed how big the pile of wrappers

> > was in my otherwise empty trash can. I counted 15 wrappers that I could

> ee!

> > Then I put some paper in the trash to cover up the wrappers because I

> > didn't want out housekeepers to see all that I ate in one day. That is an

> > eating disorder. The only part of IE I really get and get well, is to eat

> > anything I really want. Eat slowly? Eat only when hungry? Eat til

you're

> > > full. I haven't figured out any of that. I can tell you I am so ashamed

> f

> > myself for the gorging on sugars and it just happens over and over. I quit

> > smoking 5 years ago with almost no trouble after 32 years. Why can't I get

> > past this addiction too?

> >

> > Best!

> >

> > Sunny

> >

> > In Beaverton, OR

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 11/13/2010 5:26:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

> > crdoonan@ writes:

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi there,

> > I have been one of those individuals who has begun the IE program, only to

> > get so caught up with bingeing (on flour sugar products) that there has

> > been no way of being successful in finding hunger. At this present time I

> > find it incredulous that I have gained another 10 lbs.

> > The only time I have known peace around food has been when, for possibily

> > a year, I was abstinent from sugar and flour. If I am addicted to these

> > two substances and am trying to find peace while keeping them in my life I

> > cannot imagine how IE is going to work. I am sinking fast here and wonder

> f

> > I should once again resume to cutting out flour and sugar while eating the

> > IE way?

> > Carolyn

> >

>

>

>

> -----------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

What a great topic and exchange of ideas!

One piece of advice I would offer is, if you can't wait until you are hungry to eat that piece of cake or candy or whatever (and that's okay!), at least commit to being fully present and mindful while you eat it. Don't do anything but enjoy that sweet. No multitasking! You deserve to be fully present with that thing you are craving. Even if you can't spend a lot of time on it. 

I think we are much more quickly satisfied when we savor that treat. Much less likely to eat a dozen of them. And also, I think often we want that treat as a way to " check out " a bit on whatever our situation is at that moment, even if it's just as simple as being stressed at work. If we focus on the food, we may find that we are still frustrated and at work! And if we really wanted that candy bar after all, wow, we get to savor every mouthful! That's awesome, too! 

But I do think if we are stuffing something down unconsciously, it's not about craving that food, it's about escaping from something else. Why not face that head on? If you need a break from work, take one! You deserve it. 

And if you are eating consciously, GOOD, enjoy it!Please be clear that I feel like I have soooo far to go with some of these issues. I don't feel like I often eat unconsciously anymore, no matter what else I am doing. But I often make poor choices about food because I am lazy and wait until I am starving... and then make choices of foods that will bring my blood sugar up quickly, rather than choosing foods that will make me feel good. Like, when I am starving, cereal sounds GREAT. but then afterwards, ugh, not so good. I want to figure out why I don't do a better job of planning ahead, and preparing foods that make my body feel good. 

Best,Abby

 

Actually, telling myself I can have it when I am hungry (or after a meal) does work very well for me. Most of the time the " craving " is happening when I am NOT hungry & so if the next time that happens I tell myself THAT & then journal or do body inquiry into why I want XXXX maybe I will get to the root of why I am wanting xxxx when I am not hungry.

I'm going to try to remember that next time I have a " craving " . Isn't it funny how I never seem to get cravings for a salad. LOL. It's always for salty or sweet that the 'cravings' are reserved for.

mj >> > >

> But > f you instead, tell yourself you can a piece of candy when you feel hungry, > hen you stop the deprivation/eat/guilt cycle.> > ~~~~~~~~~

> I am haivng huge problems with eati...> > To: IntuitiveEating_Support <IntuitiveEating_Support@....> t sounds to me like you keep trying to prevent yourself from eating it. But by

> elling yourself your shoudn't/can't have the candy then you will want it. But > f you instead, tell yourself you can a piece of candy when you feel hungry,

> hen you stop the deprivation/eat/guilt cycle.> I believe there are postings from a while ago on t...> ugar. I believe Gillian, our dear moderator, has responded to some previous

> ostings on the subject. You might want to try and check out the archives. You > ight find some good info on the topic.> Alana> --- In IntuitiveEating_Support , " ...

> rote:> > Sunny, I could have written your post myself!> > I desperately want to be able to eat...> abatoging myself from getting any form of success by keeping sugar and flour in

> y life? Believe me, and I know you know what I mean ... if anyone wants to be > ble to keep ALL foods, in a sane manner, in my life it would be me.

>

> Eliminating any particula...> his case however, if we must treat sugar/flour like those who would have a > eanut allergy? It may not be a physical health risk, but, it really is an

> motional life/death issue.> > Yet, I do know that it is not uncommon for an individual to pack o...> efore they finally 'get' the IE concepts. Perhaps this is simply where I am

> t. I want to be through this stage, but, I have resisted it and hence I have > et to release all the distruction of erroneous thinking around food and until I

> o I will not be able to stop bingeing? It would be nice to think that correct > hinking would begin to happen 'sooner' rather than later.>

> Anyway, not that misery loves compa...> omeone completely understands.> > Thanks for writing in. Hopefully someone can make some sense o...> ritten above and be able to guide us down the road to life!

> > Carolyn> > --- In IntuitiveEati...> > bowl on the table just outside my office, but the rest of the big bag gets > > kept in a drawer...

> hen I > > went to throw away the last wrapper I noticed how big the pile of wrappers > > was in ...> ee! > > Then I put some paper in the trash to cover up the wrappers because I

> > didn't want ou...> f > > myself for the gorging on sugars and it just happens over and over. I quit > > smoking 5 y...> f

> > I should once again resume to cutting out flour and sugar while eating the > > IE way? > ...

> Individual Email | Traditional> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>

[Guest guest]

What a great topic and exchange of ideas!

One piece of advice I would offer is, if you can't wait until you are hungry to eat that piece of cake or candy or whatever (and that's okay!), at least commit to being fully present and mindful while you eat it. Don't do anything but enjoy that sweet. No multitasking! You deserve to be fully present with that thing you are craving. Even if you can't spend a lot of time on it. 

I think we are much more quickly satisfied when we savor that treat. Much less likely to eat a dozen of them. And also, I think often we want that treat as a way to " check out " a bit on whatever our situation is at that moment, even if it's just as simple as being stressed at work. If we focus on the food, we may find that we are still frustrated and at work! And if we really wanted that candy bar after all, wow, we get to savor every mouthful! That's awesome, too! 

But I do think if we are stuffing something down unconsciously, it's not about craving that food, it's about escaping from something else. Why not face that head on? If you need a break from work, take one! You deserve it. 

And if you are eating consciously, GOOD, enjoy it!Please be clear that I feel like I have soooo far to go with some of these issues. I don't feel like I often eat unconsciously anymore, no matter what else I am doing. But I often make poor choices about food because I am lazy and wait until I am starving... and then make choices of foods that will bring my blood sugar up quickly, rather than choosing foods that will make me feel good. Like, when I am starving, cereal sounds GREAT. but then afterwards, ugh, not so good. I want to figure out why I don't do a better job of planning ahead, and preparing foods that make my body feel good. 

Best,Abby

 

Actually, telling myself I can have it when I am hungry (or after a meal) does work very well for me. Most of the time the " craving " is happening when I am NOT hungry & so if the next time that happens I tell myself THAT & then journal or do body inquiry into why I want XXXX maybe I will get to the root of why I am wanting xxxx when I am not hungry.

I'm going to try to remember that next time I have a " craving " . Isn't it funny how I never seem to get cravings for a salad. LOL. It's always for salty or sweet that the 'cravings' are reserved for.

mj >> > >

> But > f you instead, tell yourself you can a piece of candy when you feel hungry, > hen you stop the deprivation/eat/guilt cycle.> > ~~~~~~~~~

> I am haivng huge problems with eati...> > To: IntuitiveEating_Support <IntuitiveEating_Support@....> t sounds to me like you keep trying to prevent yourself from eating it. But by

> elling yourself your shoudn't/can't have the candy then you will want it. But > f you instead, tell yourself you can a piece of candy when you feel hungry,

> hen you stop the deprivation/eat/guilt cycle.> I believe there are postings from a while ago on t...> ugar. I believe Gillian, our dear moderator, has responded to some previous

> ostings on the subject. You might want to try and check out the archives. You > ight find some good info on the topic.> Alana> --- In IntuitiveEating_Support , " ...

> rote:> > Sunny, I could have written your post myself!> > I desperately want to be able to eat...> abatoging myself from getting any form of success by keeping sugar and flour in

> y life? Believe me, and I know you know what I mean ... if anyone wants to be > ble to keep ALL foods, in a sane manner, in my life it would be me.

>

> Eliminating any particula...> his case however, if we must treat sugar/flour like those who would have a > eanut allergy? It may not be a physical health risk, but, it really is an

> motional life/death issue.> > Yet, I do know that it is not uncommon for an individual to pack o...> efore they finally 'get' the IE concepts. Perhaps this is simply where I am

> t. I want to be through this stage, but, I have resisted it and hence I have > et to release all the distruction of erroneous thinking around food and until I

> o I will not be able to stop bingeing? It would be nice to think that correct > hinking would begin to happen 'sooner' rather than later.>

> Anyway, not that misery loves compa...> omeone completely understands.> > Thanks for writing in. Hopefully someone can make some sense o...> ritten above and be able to guide us down the road to life!

> > Carolyn> > --- In IntuitiveEati...> > bowl on the table just outside my office, but the rest of the big bag gets > > kept in a drawer...

> hen I > > went to throw away the last wrapper I noticed how big the pile of wrappers > > was in ...> ee! > > Then I put some paper in the trash to cover up the wrappers because I

> > didn't want ou...> f > > myself for the gorging on sugars and it just happens over and over. I quit > > smoking 5 y...> f

> > I should once again resume to cutting out flour and sugar while eating the > > IE way? > ...

> Individual Email | Traditional> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>

[Guest guest]

What a great topic and exchange of ideas!

One piece of advice I would offer is, if you can't wait until you are hungry to eat that piece of cake or candy or whatever (and that's okay!), at least commit to being fully present and mindful while you eat it. Don't do anything but enjoy that sweet. No multitasking! You deserve to be fully present with that thing you are craving. Even if you can't spend a lot of time on it. 

I think we are much more quickly satisfied when we savor that treat. Much less likely to eat a dozen of them. And also, I think often we want that treat as a way to " check out " a bit on whatever our situation is at that moment, even if it's just as simple as being stressed at work. If we focus on the food, we may find that we are still frustrated and at work! And if we really wanted that candy bar after all, wow, we get to savor every mouthful! That's awesome, too! 

But I do think if we are stuffing something down unconsciously, it's not about craving that food, it's about escaping from something else. Why not face that head on? If you need a break from work, take one! You deserve it. 

And if you are eating consciously, GOOD, enjoy it!Please be clear that I feel like I have soooo far to go with some of these issues. I don't feel like I often eat unconsciously anymore, no matter what else I am doing. But I often make poor choices about food because I am lazy and wait until I am starving... and then make choices of foods that will bring my blood sugar up quickly, rather than choosing foods that will make me feel good. Like, when I am starving, cereal sounds GREAT. but then afterwards, ugh, not so good. I want to figure out why I don't do a better job of planning ahead, and preparing foods that make my body feel good. 

Best,Abby

 

Actually, telling myself I can have it when I am hungry (or after a meal) does work very well for me. Most of the time the " craving " is happening when I am NOT hungry & so if the next time that happens I tell myself THAT & then journal or do body inquiry into why I want XXXX maybe I will get to the root of why I am wanting xxxx when I am not hungry.

I'm going to try to remember that next time I have a " craving " . Isn't it funny how I never seem to get cravings for a salad. LOL. It's always for salty or sweet that the 'cravings' are reserved for.

mj >> > >

> But > f you instead, tell yourself you can a piece of candy when you feel hungry, > hen you stop the deprivation/eat/guilt cycle.> > ~~~~~~~~~

> I am haivng huge problems with eati...> > To: IntuitiveEating_Support <IntuitiveEating_Support@....> t sounds to me like you keep trying to prevent yourself from eating it. But by

> elling yourself your shoudn't/can't have the candy then you will want it. But > f you instead, tell yourself you can a piece of candy when you feel hungry,

> hen you stop the deprivation/eat/guilt cycle.> I believe there are postings from a while ago on t...> ugar. I believe Gillian, our dear moderator, has responded to some previous

> ostings on the subject. You might want to try and check out the archives. You > ight find some good info on the topic.> Alana> --- In IntuitiveEating_Support , " ...

> rote:> > Sunny, I could have written your post myself!> > I desperately want to be able to eat...> abatoging myself from getting any form of success by keeping sugar and flour in

> y life? Believe me, and I know you know what I mean ... if anyone wants to be > ble to keep ALL foods, in a sane manner, in my life it would be me.

>

> Eliminating any particula...> his case however, if we must treat sugar/flour like those who would have a > eanut allergy? It may not be a physical health risk, but, it really is an

> motional life/death issue.> > Yet, I do know that it is not uncommon for an individual to pack o...> efore they finally 'get' the IE concepts. Perhaps this is simply where I am

> t. I want to be through this stage, but, I have resisted it and hence I have > et to release all the distruction of erroneous thinking around food and until I

> o I will not be able to stop bingeing? It would be nice to think that correct > hinking would begin to happen 'sooner' rather than later.>

> Anyway, not that misery loves compa...> omeone completely understands.> > Thanks for writing in. Hopefully someone can make some sense o...> ritten above and be able to guide us down the road to life!

> > Carolyn> > --- In IntuitiveEati...> > bowl on the table just outside my office, but the rest of the big bag gets > > kept in a drawer...

> hen I > > went to throw away the last wrapper I noticed how big the pile of wrappers > > was in ...> ee! > > Then I put some paper in the trash to cover up the wrappers because I

> > didn't want ou...> f > > myself for the gorging on sugars and it just happens over and over. I quit > > smoking 5 y...> f

> > I should once again resume to cutting out flour and sugar while eating the > > IE way? > ...

> Individual Email | Traditional> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>

[Guest guest]

Do you think, though, that the fact that you eat sweets so fast and mindlessly

is a sign that you feel guilty for eating them? I eat more than my share of

crappy foods, and for the most part, even when I'm eating stuff that's

" forbidden " , the only time I eat really fast and mindlessly is either when I'm

feeling particularly starved or deprived or when I'm eating something that I

feel like I shouldn't and I don't want anyone to see me.

When it's about eating what I don't think I should have, it doesn't have to be

about any particular emotion that is triggering me to eat, it's about the

emotion that the eating itself creates. Because I feel that eating whatever the

forbidden food is, is something that I *shouldn't* want to do and the mere fact

that I want it and have given into that desire, even if everything else in life

is going swimmingly, is what makes me feel bad.

Just a thought....

Josie

>

> HI Josie,

>

> Thanks for your thoughts. It's certainly something to consider. I eat

> the candy/cake/pie so fast and mindlessly that I honestly don't feel I have

> emotion with the act at all. And believe me, I've spent many years trying to

> find the trigger, the emotion, etc. It's after the fact that I feel like

> I let myself down again, or feel ashamed, embarrassed or what have you.

> That's where emotion plays a part but it isn't emotional eating, it's

> emotional after eating.

[Guest guest]

Do you think, though, that the fact that you eat sweets so fast and mindlessly

is a sign that you feel guilty for eating them? I eat more than my share of

crappy foods, and for the most part, even when I'm eating stuff that's

" forbidden " , the only time I eat really fast and mindlessly is either when I'm

feeling particularly starved or deprived or when I'm eating something that I

feel like I shouldn't and I don't want anyone to see me.

When it's about eating what I don't think I should have, it doesn't have to be

about any particular emotion that is triggering me to eat, it's about the

emotion that the eating itself creates. Because I feel that eating whatever the

forbidden food is, is something that I *shouldn't* want to do and the mere fact

that I want it and have given into that desire, even if everything else in life

is going swimmingly, is what makes me feel bad.

Just a thought....

Josie

>

> HI Josie,

>

> Thanks for your thoughts. It's certainly something to consider. I eat

> the candy/cake/pie so fast and mindlessly that I honestly don't feel I have

> emotion with the act at all. And believe me, I've spent many years trying to

> find the trigger, the emotion, etc. It's after the fact that I feel like

> I let myself down again, or feel ashamed, embarrassed or what have you.

> That's where emotion plays a part but it isn't emotional eating, it's

> emotional after eating.

[Guest guest]

I've literally got about ten IE books going, most are half finished.

Intuitive Eating (IE) by Tribole and Resche was my intro to IE and is excellent

for the how to of IE.

I also read Eat What You Love, Love What You Eat, by Michele May, MD. Also good

for a how to. But I don't think it adds much to IE, which I preferred. If you

have to do one or the

other, I'd do IE.

A couple books I've purchased, but barely cracked open are:

- Eating Mindfully and Eat Drink and Be Mindful, both by Albers

- The 7 Secrets of Slim People by Hansen and Goodman

- The Don't Diet Live-It Workbook by Wachter and Marcus

No particular reason I haven't gotten into these, yet. Just haven't risen to

the top of my priority list.

My therapist recommended a book called Eating in the Light of the Moon (the

subtitle is How Women Can Transform Their Relationships with Food through Myths,

Metaphors, and Storytelling), which is a collection of stories that are each

relate to some aspect of our relationship with food. Some are more cryptic than

others and it may be a bit too new-agey and out there for some people, but I

find the stories entertaining and the discussions after each story that tie it

to our food behaviors are fairly enlightening. Plus the chapters are pretty

short. It's a good thing to just pick up a chapter to read here and there, if

the style doesn't turn you off.

I know a lot of people have sung the praises of When Women Stop Hating Their

Bodies, by Hirschmann and Munter, but I've been struggling with this book for a

couple of months now, and just can't seem to get into it. I was a little turned

off by the opening chapters, which I felt tied too much about disordered eating

to how women are oppressed. It's not that I disagree, I just don't think it's

*all* about that, which is how this read to me. I've tried to skip ahead to the

how-to chapters, but I find even those hard to get into. I'm still trying,

since so many people seem to like it, but I'm not all together sure I'm going to

make it through this one.

Personally, the best books for me have been Women, Food, and God, and I'm now

reading Breaking Free From Emotional Eating, both by Geneen Roth. Something

about her approach just really strikes a chord with me. WFG was great, but even

though I'm only on chapter four, I'm finding Breaking Free just as useful. For

me, Intuitive Eating provides the how-to of IE, which I need, but Geneen's books

get at *why* I'm overeating to begin with, which I never gave much credence to

before now. But through her books, I'm realizing that all the how-tos in the

world won't help me if I don't resolve the why. So, I think they work well

together.

I think which book works for you, depends on why you overeat. Geneen says in

Breaking Free that she doesn't believe that everyone that overeats does so for

emotional reasons. If you're one of those people, then her books probably won't

appeal to you.

For what it's worth, that's my $0.02.

Josie

>

> So Now my question is, what's the best book anyone recommends for learning

> and getting into IE. I came here through a different route. I was

> looking for an active support group for McKenna's I can make you thin

> program. I spent the money to join his " club " and guess what? The forums

don't

> work. Well, the tapes I got were worth the money but I was looking for an

> active support group. I stumbled on this one and I'm really glad I did.

> Now I think I need to expand into what IE is and see what I can learn. I

> sure need a more realistic relationship with food.

>

> Best!

>

> Sunny

>

[Guest guest]

I've literally got about ten IE books going, most are half finished.

Intuitive Eating (IE) by Tribole and Resche was my intro to IE and is excellent

for the how to of IE.

I also read Eat What You Love, Love What You Eat, by Michele May, MD. Also good

for a how to. But I don't think it adds much to IE, which I preferred. If you

have to do one or the

other, I'd do IE.

A couple books I've purchased, but barely cracked open are:

- Eating Mindfully and Eat Drink and Be Mindful, both by Albers

- The 7 Secrets of Slim People by Hansen and Goodman

- The Don't Diet Live-It Workbook by Wachter and Marcus

No particular reason I haven't gotten into these, yet. Just haven't risen to

the top of my priority list.

My therapist recommended a book called Eating in the Light of the Moon (the

subtitle is How Women Can Transform Their Relationships with Food through Myths,

Metaphors, and Storytelling), which is a collection of stories that are each

relate to some aspect of our relationship with food. Some are more cryptic than

others and it may be a bit too new-agey and out there for some people, but I

find the stories entertaining and the discussions after each story that tie it

to our food behaviors are fairly enlightening. Plus the chapters are pretty

short. It's a good thing to just pick up a chapter to read here and there, if

the style doesn't turn you off.

I know a lot of people have sung the praises of When Women Stop Hating Their

Bodies, by Hirschmann and Munter, but I've been struggling with this book for a

couple of months now, and just can't seem to get into it. I was a little turned

off by the opening chapters, which I felt tied too much about disordered eating

to how women are oppressed. It's not that I disagree, I just don't think it's

*all* about that, which is how this read to me. I've tried to skip ahead to the

how-to chapters, but I find even those hard to get into. I'm still trying,

since so many people seem to like it, but I'm not all together sure I'm going to

make it through this one.

Personally, the best books for me have been Women, Food, and God, and I'm now

reading Breaking Free From Emotional Eating, both by Geneen Roth. Something

about her approach just really strikes a chord with me. WFG was great, but even

though I'm only on chapter four, I'm finding Breaking Free just as useful. For

me, Intuitive Eating provides the how-to of IE, which I need, but Geneen's books

get at *why* I'm overeating to begin with, which I never gave much credence to

before now. But through her books, I'm realizing that all the how-tos in the

world won't help me if I don't resolve the why. So, I think they work well

together.

I think which book works for you, depends on why you overeat. Geneen says in

Breaking Free that she doesn't believe that everyone that overeats does so for

emotional reasons. If you're one of those people, then her books probably won't

appeal to you.

For what it's worth, that's my $0.02.

Josie

>

> So Now my question is, what's the best book anyone recommends for learning

> and getting into IE. I came here through a different route. I was

> looking for an active support group for McKenna's I can make you thin

> program. I spent the money to join his " club " and guess what? The forums

don't

> work. Well, the tapes I got were worth the money but I was looking for an

> active support group. I stumbled on this one and I'm really glad I did.

> Now I think I need to expand into what IE is and see what I can learn. I

> sure need a more realistic relationship with food.

>

> Best!

>

> Sunny

>

[Guest guest]

I've literally got about ten IE books going, most are half finished.

Intuitive Eating (IE) by Tribole and Resche was my intro to IE and is excellent

for the how to of IE.

I also read Eat What You Love, Love What You Eat, by Michele May, MD. Also good

for a how to. But I don't think it adds much to IE, which I preferred. If you

have to do one or the

other, I'd do IE.

A couple books I've purchased, but barely cracked open are:

- Eating Mindfully and Eat Drink and Be Mindful, both by Albers

- The 7 Secrets of Slim People by Hansen and Goodman

- The Don't Diet Live-It Workbook by Wachter and Marcus

No particular reason I haven't gotten into these, yet. Just haven't risen to

the top of my priority list.

My therapist recommended a book called Eating in the Light of the Moon (the

subtitle is How Women Can Transform Their Relationships with Food through Myths,

Metaphors, and Storytelling), which is a collection of stories that are each

relate to some aspect of our relationship with food. Some are more cryptic than

others and it may be a bit too new-agey and out there for some people, but I

find the stories entertaining and the discussions after each story that tie it

to our food behaviors are fairly enlightening. Plus the chapters are pretty

short. It's a good thing to just pick up a chapter to read here and there, if

the style doesn't turn you off.

I know a lot of people have sung the praises of When Women Stop Hating Their

Bodies, by Hirschmann and Munter, but I've been struggling with this book for a

couple of months now, and just can't seem to get into it. I was a little turned

off by the opening chapters, which I felt tied too much about disordered eating

to how women are oppressed. It's not that I disagree, I just don't think it's

*all* about that, which is how this read to me. I've tried to skip ahead to the

how-to chapters, but I find even those hard to get into. I'm still trying,

since so many people seem to like it, but I'm not all together sure I'm going to

make it through this one.

Personally, the best books for me have been Women, Food, and God, and I'm now

reading Breaking Free From Emotional Eating, both by Geneen Roth. Something

about her approach just really strikes a chord with me. WFG was great, but even

though I'm only on chapter four, I'm finding Breaking Free just as useful. For

me, Intuitive Eating provides the how-to of IE, which I need, but Geneen's books

get at *why* I'm overeating to begin with, which I never gave much credence to

before now. But through her books, I'm realizing that all the how-tos in the

world won't help me if I don't resolve the why. So, I think they work well

together.

I think which book works for you, depends on why you overeat. Geneen says in

Breaking Free that she doesn't believe that everyone that overeats does so for

emotional reasons. If you're one of those people, then her books probably won't

appeal to you.

For what it's worth, that's my $0.02.

Josie

>

> So Now my question is, what's the best book anyone recommends for learning

> and getting into IE. I came here through a different route. I was

> looking for an active support group for McKenna's I can make you thin

> program. I spent the money to join his " club " and guess what? The forums

don't

> work. Well, the tapes I got were worth the money but I was looking for an

> active support group. I stumbled on this one and I'm really glad I did.

> Now I think I need to expand into what IE is and see what I can learn. I

> sure need a more realistic relationship with food.

>

> Best!

>

> Sunny

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the great book reports Josie. If I read it right you said Geneen

think overseeing isn't emotional for everyone Did I get that right? I hope so

because I have long felt that wasn't the case with me though it sure would have

been easier to understand if it was.

Thanks,

Sunny

Sent from my iTouch

> I've literally got about ten IE books going, most are half finished.

>

> Intuitive Eating (IE) by Tribole and Resche was my intro to IE and is

excellent for the how to of IE.

>

> I also read Eat What You Love, Love What You Eat, by Michele May, MD. Also

good for a how to. But I don't think it adds much to IE, which I preferred. If

you have to do one or the

> other, I'd do IE.

>

> A couple books I've purchased, but barely cracked open are:

> - Eating Mindfully and Eat Drink and Be Mindful, both by Albers

> - The 7 Secrets of Slim People by Hansen and Goodman

> - The Don't Diet Live-It Workbook by Wachter and Marcus

>

> No particular reason I haven't gotten into these, yet. Just haven't risen to

the top of my priority list.

>

> My therapist recommended a book called Eating in the Light of the Moon (the

subtitle is How Women Can Transform Their Relationships with Food through Myths,

Metaphors, and Storytelling), which is a collection of stories that are each

relate to some aspect of our relationship with food. Some are more cryptic than

others and it may be a bit too new-agey and out there for some people, but I

find the stories entertaining and the discussions after each story that tie it

to our food behaviors are fairly enlightening. Plus the chapters are pretty

short. It's a good thing to just pick up a chapter to read here and there, if

the style doesn't turn you off.

>

> I know a lot of people have sung the praises of When Women Stop Hating Their

Bodies, by Hirschmann and Munter, but I've been struggling with this book for a

couple of months now, and just can't seem to get into it. I was a little turned

off by the opening chapters, which I felt tied too much about disordered eating

to how women are oppressed. It's not that I disagree, I just don't think it's

*all* about that, which is how this read to me. I've tried to skip ahead to the

how-to chapters, but I find even those hard to get into. I'm still trying,

since so many people seem to like it, but I'm not all together sure I'm going to

make it through this one.

>

> Personally, the best books for me have been Women, Food, and God, and I'm now

reading Breaking Free From Emotional Eating, both by Geneen Roth. Something

about her approach just really strikes a chord with me. WFG was great, but even

though I'm only on chapter four, I'm finding Breaking Free just as useful. For

me, Intuitive Eating provides the how-to of IE, which I need, but Geneen's books

get at *why* I'm overeating to begin with, which I never gave much credence to

before now. But through her books, I'm realizing that all the how-tos in the

world won't help me if I don't resolve the why. So, I think they work well

together.

>

> I think which book works for you, depends on why you overeat. Geneen says in

Breaking Free that she doesn't believe that everyone that overeats does so for

emotional reasons. If you're one of those people, then her books probably won't

appeal to you.

>

> For what it's worth, that's my $0.02.

>

> Josie

>

>

>>

>

>> So Now my question is, what's the best book anyone recommends for learning

>> and getting into IE. I came here through a different route. I was

>> looking for an active support group for McKenna's I can make you thin

>> program. I spent the money to join his " club " and guess what? The forums

don't

>> work. Well, the tapes I got were worth the money but I was looking for an

>> active support group. I stumbled on this one and I'm really glad I did.

>> Now I think I need to expand into what IE is and see what I can learn. I

>> sure need a more realistic relationship with food.

>>

>> Best!

>>

>> Sunny

>>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the great book reports Josie. If I read it right you said Geneen

think overseeing isn't emotional for everyone Did I get that right? I hope so

because I have long felt that wasn't the case with me though it sure would have

been easier to understand if it was.

Thanks,

Sunny

Sent from my iTouch

> I've literally got about ten IE books going, most are half finished.

>

> Intuitive Eating (IE) by Tribole and Resche was my intro to IE and is

excellent for the how to of IE.

>

> I also read Eat What You Love, Love What You Eat, by Michele May, MD. Also

good for a how to. But I don't think it adds much to IE, which I preferred. If

you have to do one or the

> other, I'd do IE.

>

> A couple books I've purchased, but barely cracked open are:

> - Eating Mindfully and Eat Drink and Be Mindful, both by Albers

> - The 7 Secrets of Slim People by Hansen and Goodman

> - The Don't Diet Live-It Workbook by Wachter and Marcus

>

> No particular reason I haven't gotten into these, yet. Just haven't risen to

the top of my priority list.

>

> My therapist recommended a book called Eating in the Light of the Moon (the

subtitle is How Women Can Transform Their Relationships with Food through Myths,

Metaphors, and Storytelling), which is a collection of stories that are each

relate to some aspect of our relationship with food. Some are more cryptic than

others and it may be a bit too new-agey and out there for some people, but I

find the stories entertaining and the discussions after each story that tie it

to our food behaviors are fairly enlightening. Plus the chapters are pretty

short. It's a good thing to just pick up a chapter to read here and there, if

the style doesn't turn you off.

>

> I know a lot of people have sung the praises of When Women Stop Hating Their

Bodies, by Hirschmann and Munter, but I've been struggling with this book for a

couple of months now, and just can't seem to get into it. I was a little turned

off by the opening chapters, which I felt tied too much about disordered eating

to how women are oppressed. It's not that I disagree, I just don't think it's

*all* about that, which is how this read to me. I've tried to skip ahead to the

how-to chapters, but I find even those hard to get into. I'm still trying,

since so many people seem to like it, but I'm not all together sure I'm going to

make it through this one.

>

> Personally, the best books for me have been Women, Food, and God, and I'm now

reading Breaking Free From Emotional Eating, both by Geneen Roth. Something

about her approach just really strikes a chord with me. WFG was great, but even

though I'm only on chapter four, I'm finding Breaking Free just as useful. For

me, Intuitive Eating provides the how-to of IE, which I need, but Geneen's books

get at *why* I'm overeating to begin with, which I never gave much credence to

before now. But through her books, I'm realizing that all the how-tos in the

world won't help me if I don't resolve the why. So, I think they work well

together.

>

> I think which book works for you, depends on why you overeat. Geneen says in

Breaking Free that she doesn't believe that everyone that overeats does so for

emotional reasons. If you're one of those people, then her books probably won't

appeal to you.

>

> For what it's worth, that's my $0.02.

>

> Josie

>

>

>>

>

>> So Now my question is, what's the best book anyone recommends for learning

>> and getting into IE. I came here through a different route. I was

>> looking for an active support group for McKenna's I can make you thin

>> program. I spent the money to join his " club " and guess what? The forums

don't

>> work. Well, the tapes I got were worth the money but I was looking for an

>> active support group. I stumbled on this one and I'm really glad I did.

>> Now I think I need to expand into what IE is and see what I can learn. I

>> sure need a more realistic relationship with food.

>>

>> Best!

>>

>> Sunny

>>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the great book reports Josie. If I read it right you said Geneen

think overseeing isn't emotional for everyone Did I get that right? I hope so

because I have long felt that wasn't the case with me though it sure would have

been easier to understand if it was.

Thanks,

Sunny

Sent from my iTouch

> I've literally got about ten IE books going, most are half finished.

>

> Intuitive Eating (IE) by Tribole and Resche was my intro to IE and is

excellent for the how to of IE.

>

> I also read Eat What You Love, Love What You Eat, by Michele May, MD. Also

good for a how to. But I don't think it adds much to IE, which I preferred. If

you have to do one or the

> other, I'd do IE.

>

> A couple books I've purchased, but barely cracked open are:

> - Eating Mindfully and Eat Drink and Be Mindful, both by Albers

> - The 7 Secrets of Slim People by Hansen and Goodman

> - The Don't Diet Live-It Workbook by Wachter and Marcus

>

> No particular reason I haven't gotten into these, yet. Just haven't risen to

the top of my priority list.

>

> My therapist recommended a book called Eating in the Light of the Moon (the

subtitle is How Women Can Transform Their Relationships with Food through Myths,

Metaphors, and Storytelling), which is a collection of stories that are each

relate to some aspect of our relationship with food. Some are more cryptic than

others and it may be a bit too new-agey and out there for some people, but I

find the stories entertaining and the discussions after each story that tie it

to our food behaviors are fairly enlightening. Plus the chapters are pretty

short. It's a good thing to just pick up a chapter to read here and there, if

the style doesn't turn you off.

>

> I know a lot of people have sung the praises of When Women Stop Hating Their

Bodies, by Hirschmann and Munter, but I've been struggling with this book for a

couple of months now, and just can't seem to get into it. I was a little turned

off by the opening chapters, which I felt tied too much about disordered eating

to how women are oppressed. It's not that I disagree, I just don't think it's

*all* about that, which is how this read to me. I've tried to skip ahead to the

how-to chapters, but I find even those hard to get into. I'm still trying,

since so many people seem to like it, but I'm not all together sure I'm going to

make it through this one.

>

> Personally, the best books for me have been Women, Food, and God, and I'm now

reading Breaking Free From Emotional Eating, both by Geneen Roth. Something

about her approach just really strikes a chord with me. WFG was great, but even

though I'm only on chapter four, I'm finding Breaking Free just as useful. For

me, Intuitive Eating provides the how-to of IE, which I need, but Geneen's books

get at *why* I'm overeating to begin with, which I never gave much credence to

before now. But through her books, I'm realizing that all the how-tos in the

world won't help me if I don't resolve the why. So, I think they work well

together.

>

> I think which book works for you, depends on why you overeat. Geneen says in

Breaking Free that she doesn't believe that everyone that overeats does so for

emotional reasons. If you're one of those people, then her books probably won't

appeal to you.

>

> For what it's worth, that's my $0.02.

>

> Josie

>

>

>>

>

>> So Now my question is, what's the best book anyone recommends for learning

>> and getting into IE. I came here through a different route. I was

>> looking for an active support group for McKenna's I can make you thin

>> program. I spent the money to join his " club " and guess what? The forums

don't

>> work. Well, the tapes I got were worth the money but I was looking for an

>> active support group. I stumbled on this one and I'm really glad I did.

>> Now I think I need to expand into what IE is and see what I can learn. I

>> sure need a more realistic relationship with food.

>>

>> Best!

>>

>> Sunny

>>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's almost like I can't get enough of whatever the sweet is. It could come

from telling myself I shouldn't eat or want it but the shame and guilt don't

figure in until the binge is completely finished. I don't know how else to

describe what happens other than I'm driven to eat these things and often

there's no thought behind it other than the overwhelming need to feed the demon.

Sunny

Sent from my iTouch

> Do you think, though, that the fact that you eat sweets so fast and mindlessly

is a sign that you feel guilty for eating them? I eat more than my share of

crappy foods, and for the most part, even when I'm eating stuff that's

" forbidden " , the only time I eat really fast and mindlessly is either when I'm

feeling particularly starved or deprived or when I'm eating something that I

feel like I shouldn't and I don't want anyone to see me.

>

> When it's about eating what I don't think I should have, it doesn't have to be

about any particular emotion that is triggering me to eat, it's about the

emotion that the eating itself creates. Because I feel that eating whatever the

forbidden food is, is something that I *shouldn't* want to do and the mere fact

that I want it and have given into that desire, even if everything else in life

is going swimmingly, is what makes me feel bad.

>

> Just a thought....

>

> Josie

>

>

>>

>> HI Josie,

>>

>> Thanks for your thoughts. It's certainly something to consider. I eat

>> the candy/cake/pie so fast and mindlessly that I honestly don't feel I have

>> emotion with the act at all. And believe me, I've spent many years trying to

>> find the trigger, the emotion, etc. It's after the fact that I feel like

>> I let myself down again, or feel ashamed, embarrassed or what have you.

>> That's where emotion plays a part but it isn't emotional eating, it's

>> emotional after eating.

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's almost like I can't get enough of whatever the sweet is. It could come

from telling myself I shouldn't eat or want it but the shame and guilt don't

figure in until the binge is completely finished. I don't know how else to

describe what happens other than I'm driven to eat these things and often

there's no thought behind it other than the overwhelming need to feed the demon.

Sunny

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> Do you think, though, that the fact that you eat sweets so fast and mindlessly

is a sign that you feel guilty for eating them? I eat more than my share of

crappy foods, and for the most part, even when I'm eating stuff that's

" forbidden " , the only time I eat really fast and mindlessly is either when I'm

feeling particularly starved or deprived or when I'm eating something that I

feel like I shouldn't and I don't want anyone to see me.

>

> When it's about eating what I don't think I should have, it doesn't have to be

about any particular emotion that is triggering me to eat, it's about the

emotion that the eating itself creates. Because I feel that eating whatever the

forbidden food is, is something that I *shouldn't* want to do and the mere fact

that I want it and have given into that desire, even if everything else in life

is going swimmingly, is what makes me feel bad.

>

> Just a thought....

>

> Josie

>

>

>>

>> HI Josie,

>>

>> Thanks for your thoughts. It's certainly something to consider. I eat

>> the candy/cake/pie so fast and mindlessly that I honestly don't feel I have

>> emotion with the act at all. And believe me, I've spent many years trying to

>> find the trigger, the emotion, etc. It's after the fact that I feel like

>> I let myself down again, or feel ashamed, embarrassed or what have you.

>> That's where emotion plays a part but it isn't emotional eating, it's

>> emotional after eating.

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's almost like I can't get enough of whatever the sweet is. It could come

from telling myself I shouldn't eat or want it but the shame and guilt don't

figure in until the binge is completely finished. I don't know how else to

describe what happens other than I'm driven to eat these things and often

there's no thought behind it other than the overwhelming need to feed the demon.

Sunny

Sent from my iTouch

> Do you think, though, that the fact that you eat sweets so fast and mindlessly

is a sign that you feel guilty for eating them? I eat more than my share of

crappy foods, and for the most part, even when I'm eating stuff that's

" forbidden " , the only time I eat really fast and mindlessly is either when I'm

feeling particularly starved or deprived or when I'm eating something that I

feel like I shouldn't and I don't want anyone to see me.

>

> When it's about eating what I don't think I should have, it doesn't have to be

about any particular emotion that is triggering me to eat, it's about the

emotion that the eating itself creates. Because I feel that eating whatever the

forbidden food is, is something that I *shouldn't* want to do and the mere fact

that I want it and have given into that desire, even if everything else in life

is going swimmingly, is what makes me feel bad.

>

> Just a thought....

>

> Josie

>

>

>>

>> HI Josie,

>>

>> Thanks for your thoughts. It's certainly something to consider. I eat

>> the candy/cake/pie so fast and mindlessly that I honestly don't feel I have

>> emotion with the act at all. And believe me, I've spent many years trying to

>> find the trigger, the emotion, etc. It's after the fact that I feel like

>> I let myself down again, or feel ashamed, embarrassed or what have you.

>> That's where emotion plays a part but it isn't emotional eating, it's

>> emotional after eating.

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I'm with you on the not weighing. I have a 2 year physical coming up in April,

the last time my doc weighed me I was the heaviest I've ever been. I'm down now

but I plan to have them weigh me backward & NOT tell me what I weigh. That is

the plan.

mj

>

> Thanks for the book recommendations, Josie. I wrote down some new

> titles. I have a little stack in my room on my bookshelf, and will

> slowly tackle the different books.

>

> I read Overcoming Overeating and When Women Stop Hating Their

> Bodies. Tried to fill my shelves with ice cream and cheeses and

> foods that were " off limits " , and ended up with bad heartburn and

> felt gross. So I realized that for me it wasn't a very good plan!!!

>

> Sheryl Canter's Normal Eating for Normal Weight is good. All Geneen

> Roth's books are wonderful. Sondra Ray has a new agey affirmation

> type book called The Only Diet There is. I really loved the book

> It's Not About Food...which was very balanced. And thanks to

> whomever suggested nne on's Course in Weight Loss...I

> purchased that recently and hope to work through all 21 lessons...it

> certainly doesn't hurt!!!

>

> Most IE people do seem to acknowledge that healthy food is more

> healing and feels better in the long run. The past few weeks I've

> been super-busy at work, not eating at home, and grabbing on the go.

> My body feels more heavy (not in weight, in energy) after a diet of

> fast food burritos, pizza, egg mcmuffins in the morning, more coffee,

> etc. Instead of JUDGING myself, though, I'm just observing. I also

> know that I successfully did not weigh myself from June to late

> October, then got on the scales at a friend's house and saw that I

> was down 15 lbs...freaked out, and that's been part of the problem.

> Got cocky...then allowed that weight to haunt me because it was still

> too high, and should it have been lower. Now I know how the scale

> affects me. WOW...so plan to not weigh myself...and the year starts

> in October. Unless I'm at the doctor's office and need to for a

> procedure or something.

>

> Thanks all!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I'm with you on the not weighing. I have a 2 year physical coming up in April,

the last time my doc weighed me I was the heaviest I've ever been. I'm down now

but I plan to have them weigh me backward & NOT tell me what I weigh. That is

the plan.

mj

>

> Thanks for the book recommendations, Josie. I wrote down some new

> titles. I have a little stack in my room on my bookshelf, and will

> slowly tackle the different books.

>

> I read Overcoming Overeating and When Women Stop Hating Their

> Bodies. Tried to fill my shelves with ice cream and cheeses and

> foods that were " off limits " , and ended up with bad heartburn and

> felt gross. So I realized that for me it wasn't a very good plan!!!

>

> Sheryl Canter's Normal Eating for Normal Weight is good. All Geneen

> Roth's books are wonderful. Sondra Ray has a new agey affirmation

> type book called The Only Diet There is. I really loved the book

> It's Not About Food...which was very balanced. And thanks to

> whomever suggested nne on's Course in Weight Loss...I

> purchased that recently and hope to work through all 21 lessons...it

> certainly doesn't hurt!!!

>

> Most IE people do seem to acknowledge that healthy food is more

> healing and feels better in the long run. The past few weeks I've

> been super-busy at work, not eating at home, and grabbing on the go.

> My body feels more heavy (not in weight, in energy) after a diet of

> fast food burritos, pizza, egg mcmuffins in the morning, more coffee,

> etc. Instead of JUDGING myself, though, I'm just observing. I also

> know that I successfully did not weigh myself from June to late

> October, then got on the scales at a friend's house and saw that I

> was down 15 lbs...freaked out, and that's been part of the problem.

> Got cocky...then allowed that weight to haunt me because it was still

> too high, and should it have been lower. Now I know how the scale

> affects me. WOW...so plan to not weigh myself...and the year starts

> in October. Unless I'm at the doctor's office and need to for a

> procedure or something.

>

> Thanks all!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I'm with you on the not weighing. I have a 2 year physical coming up in April,

the last time my doc weighed me I was the heaviest I've ever been. I'm down now

but I plan to have them weigh me backward & NOT tell me what I weigh. That is

the plan.

mj

>

> Thanks for the book recommendations, Josie. I wrote down some new

> titles. I have a little stack in my room on my bookshelf, and will

> slowly tackle the different books.

>

> I read Overcoming Overeating and When Women Stop Hating Their

> Bodies. Tried to fill my shelves with ice cream and cheeses and

> foods that were " off limits " , and ended up with bad heartburn and

> felt gross. So I realized that for me it wasn't a very good plan!!!

>

> Sheryl Canter's Normal Eating for Normal Weight is good. All Geneen

> Roth's books are wonderful. Sondra Ray has a new agey affirmation

> type book called The Only Diet There is. I really loved the book

> It's Not About Food...which was very balanced. And thanks to

> whomever suggested nne on's Course in Weight Loss...I

> purchased that recently and hope to work through all 21 lessons...it

> certainly doesn't hurt!!!

>

> Most IE people do seem to acknowledge that healthy food is more

> healing and feels better in the long run. The past few weeks I've

> been super-busy at work, not eating at home, and grabbing on the go.

> My body feels more heavy (not in weight, in energy) after a diet of

> fast food burritos, pizza, egg mcmuffins in the morning, more coffee,

> etc. Instead of JUDGING myself, though, I'm just observing. I also

> know that I successfully did not weigh myself from June to late

> October, then got on the scales at a friend's house and saw that I

> was down 15 lbs...freaked out, and that's been part of the problem.

> Got cocky...then allowed that weight to haunt me because it was still

> too high, and should it have been lower. Now I know how the scale

> affects me. WOW...so plan to not weigh myself...and the year starts

> in October. Unless I'm at the doctor's office and need to for a

> procedure or something.

>

> Thanks all!

>

>

[Guest guest]

If you are having problems with " cravings " then something else is going on. It

is ok to crave foods. And it is ok to allow yourself to have what you are

craving. But if that craving is controlling you then there must be something

emotional going on. Get really quiet within yourself. Do some deep breathing.

Relax your mind. Get really still. And ask yourself, what is going on? What

are you feeling? Try to pinpoint exactly what is going on within you to cause

these uncontrollable cravings. Sit with the feelings for a bit. Don't be

afraid of the uncomfortableness of being still, quiet and with your feelings.

Just be. Then see if after you do this if you feel differently. Do you still

want what you were craving? If so, have some of it. But be totally mindful

while you having that food. Be aware of what your mind and your body feel like

and say to you. And remember, be patient with yourself. It has taken years to

set our habits around food. And sometimes it takes years to undo the habits.

It isn't going to happen over night. Be kind and and loving to yourself. Pay

attention to what your are telling yourself. Are you beating yourself up for

having these cravings? You aren't bad for having the cravings.

And,sometimes it helps to work with a professional coach or therapist to get to

the bottom of what is " eating " you.

Hope this helps.

Alana

>

>

>

>

> But

> f you instead, tell yourself you can a piece of candy when you feel hungry,

> hen you stop the deprivation/eat/guilt cycle.

>

> ~~~~~~~~~

> I am haivng huge problems with eating only when I am hungry. When the huge

cravings come on it's rarely ever due to hunger. Telling myself I can have it

when I'm hungry does nothing to stop the total singelminded craving as much as I

wish it would. I'm hoping I can someday accomplish eating only when I'm hungry

instead of designated times, then I can work on telling the candy it can wait

until I'm hungry...when I can do it with regular food.

>

>

> Sunny

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerrySender: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:38:45 -0000To: <IntuitiveEating_Support >ReplyTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Subject: Re: Sugar/Flour Addict and IE If you are having problems with " cravings " then something else is going on. It is ok to crave foods. And it is ok to allow yourself to have what you are craving. But if that craving is controlling you then there must be something emotional going on. Get really quiet within yourself. Do some deep breathing. Relax your mind. Get really still. And ask yourself, what is going on? What are you feeling? Try to pinpoint exactly what is going on within you to cause these uncontrollable cravings. Sit with the feelings for a bit. Don't be afraid of the uncomfortableness of being still, quiet and with your feelings. Just be. Then see if after you do this if you feel differently. Do you still want what you were craving? If so, have some of it. But be totally mindful while you having that food. Be aware of what your mind and your body feel like and say to you. And remember, be patient with yourself. It has taken years to set our habits around food. And sometimes it takes years to undo the habits. It isn't going to happen over night. Be kind and and loving to yourself. Pay attention to what your are telling yourself. Are you beating yourself up for having these cravings? You aren't bad for having the cravings. And,sometimes it helps to work with a professional coach or therapist to get to the bottom of what is " eating " you.Hope this helps.Alana>> > > > But > f you instead, tell yourself you can a piece of candy when you feel hungry, > hen you stop the deprivation/eat/guilt cycle.> > ~~~~~~~~~> I am haivng huge problems with eating only when I am hungry. When the huge cravings come on it's rarely ever due to hunger. Telling myself I can have it when I'm hungry does nothing to stop the total singelminded craving as much as I wish it would. I'm hoping I can someday accomplish eating only when I'm hungry instead of designated times, then I can work on telling the candy it can wait until I'm hungry...when I can do it with regular food.> > > Sunny> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerrySender: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:38:45 -0000To: <IntuitiveEating_Support >ReplyTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Subject: Re: Sugar/Flour Addict and IE If you are having problems with " cravings " then something else is going on. It is ok to crave foods. And it is ok to allow yourself to have what you are craving. But if that craving is controlling you then there must be something emotional going on. Get really quiet within yourself. Do some deep breathing. Relax your mind. Get really still. And ask yourself, what is going on? What are you feeling? Try to pinpoint exactly what is going on within you to cause these uncontrollable cravings. Sit with the feelings for a bit. Don't be afraid of the uncomfortableness of being still, quiet and with your feelings. Just be. Then see if after you do this if you feel differently. Do you still want what you were craving? If so, have some of it. But be totally mindful while you having that food. Be aware of what your mind and your body feel like and say to you. And remember, be patient with yourself. It has taken years to set our habits around food. And sometimes it takes years to undo the habits. It isn't going to happen over night. Be kind and and loving to yourself. Pay attention to what your are telling yourself. Are you beating yourself up for having these cravings? You aren't bad for having the cravings. And,sometimes it helps to work with a professional coach or therapist to get to the bottom of what is " eating " you.Hope this helps.Alana>> > > > But > f you instead, tell yourself you can a piece of candy when you feel hungry, > hen you stop the deprivation/eat/guilt cycle.> > ~~~~~~~~~> I am haivng huge problems with eating only when I am hungry. When the huge cravings come on it's rarely ever due to hunger. Telling myself I can have it when I'm hungry does nothing to stop the total singelminded craving as much as I wish it would. I'm hoping I can someday accomplish eating only when I'm hungry instead of designated times, then I can work on telling the candy it can wait until I'm hungry...when I can do it with regular food.> > > Sunny> > > > > >