Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 The same thing hapen to my son, the only time he had a form stool he was on atibiotics.The last 6 day he had 80% form stool. (not using antibiotics) I am happy because, before it was liquid and every 2 or 3 days, it was really bad. I try every thing for more than a year. This is a very good question, I hope some one has the answer. Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 12:57 PMTo: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection The same thing happens with my son who is 16. He had a skin infection and was on antibiotics for a month. The whole time he had firm stools... a few days off the antibiotics and back to mushy stools. Any time he is on antibiotics this happens with him. Dianne > > My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot of things with her with diet. > > Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on an antibiotic twice for an ear infection). > > She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with her. > > Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested even with enzymes. > > Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this? >[The entire original message is not included] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 yup From: Alberta Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 2:45 PM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection Does that mean there is bad bacteria in the gut? The same thing happens with my son who is 16. He had a skin infection and was on antibiotics for a month. The whole time he had firm stools... a few days off the antibiotics and back to mushy stools. Any time he is on antibiotics this happens with him.Dianne >> My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot of things with her with diet. > > Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).> > She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with her. > > Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested even with enzymes.> > Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 yup From: Alberta Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 2:45 PM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection Does that mean there is bad bacteria in the gut? The same thing happens with my son who is 16. He had a skin infection and was on antibiotics for a month. The whole time he had firm stools... a few days off the antibiotics and back to mushy stools. Any time he is on antibiotics this happens with him.Dianne >> My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot of things with her with diet. > > Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).> > She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with her. > > Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested even with enzymes.> > Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 I will go on board to disagree, the direah IS a sign of your gut ALREADY being a mess, a probitoic alone in our cases have never solved the issue. we suffered with cronic direaha for 3 years avoiding antibiotics because I was SO scared of yeast and delayed gains we could have gotten quickly, pouring in 200 billion in probiotics, natural fighters ect, diet changes nothing worked. and here I stand with PANDAS because we didn't treat sooner and more aggressive and his bone age is now 2 years behind in growth from his metabolics being a mess....all could have been saved with having used antibioids. the actual cause if you are seeing it solved with antibiotics is there IS a bacteria infection inbeding in the gut, you can treat yeast and bacteria at the same time as well.... From: Suzanne Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 6:27 PM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection Do you mean that your kids have been on a probiotic? I would not suggest using antibiotics for clearing up something like unformed stools. There is a reason that your child is not having formed stool and I would suggest getting to the actual cause, not covering the problem with using an antibiotic. Long-term use of antibiotics will only set yourself up for yeast and bacteria, which can eventually lead to leaky gut. Unformed stool will seem like nothing when you end up having severe gut issues. I would suggest treating yeast with something like grapefruit seed, bacteria with something like goldenseal, and a good probiotic. Antibiotics are never a good idea for gut kids. Also, be sure that your ear infection is bacterial before opting for antibiotics. Most ear infections are viral and do not respond to antibiotics anyway. Garlic oil in the ear would be more effective and won't disrupt the gut.Dr. Suzanne Fleeson-DaSilvawww.fcchiropracticcenter.com > > >> > > My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot> > of things with her with diet.> > >> > > Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested> > when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on> > an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).> > >> > > She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with> > her.> > >> > > Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but> > I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics> > are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no> > avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just> > after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after> > that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested> > even with enzymes.> > >> > > Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?> > >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 antibiotics also have anti inflammitory qualities From: biomed_mom Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 9:16 PM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection Why would you treat yeast when the problem is bacterial? I have to disagree. There are many kids that have done well on long term antibiotics for a variety of reasons, including mine. Erythromycin can actually be good for the gut as it mimics motilin in both the gut and the brain, which some kids are likely to be low in. I can't say anything about any other antibiotic but I know that many PANDAS kids need it. I'll have to leave that explanation to the PANDAS people, though. When we switched to our DAN from Dr. G, she knew all of this so I don't think it's that novel in DAN. I can't say that for sure, though, as I've only seen 1 DAN. :)Here's a conversation I had with Owens in 2007 on Erythromycin and motilin, including studies. I learned a lot from her that day. *smiles fondly* Seems I've learned a lot from , though.http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/mb12 valtrex/message/18914Cheryl ~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com~~@midian42~--- In mb12 valtrex , "Suzanne" wrote:>> Do you mean that your kids have been on a probiotic? I would not suggest using antibiotics for clearing up something like unformed stools. There is a reason that your child is not having formed stool and I would suggest getting to the actual cause, not covering the problem with using an antibiotic. > > Long-term use of antibiotics will only set yourself up for yeast and bacteria, which can eventually lead to leaky gut. Unformed stool will seem like nothing when you end up having severe gut issues. > > I would suggest treating yeast with something like grapefruit seed, bacteria with something like goldenseal, and a good probiotic. Antibiotics are never a good idea for gut kids. Also, be sure that your ear infection is bacterial before opting for antibiotics. Most ear infections are viral and do not respond to antibiotics anyway. Garlic oil in the ear would be more effective and won't disrupt the gut.> > Dr. Suzanne Fleeson-DaSilva> www.fcchiropracticcenter.com > > > > > >> > > > My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot> > > of things with her with diet.> > > >> > > > Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested> > > when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on> > > an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).> > > >> > > > She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with> > > her.> > > >> > > > Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but> > > I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics> > > are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no> > > avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just> > > after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after> > > that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested> > > even with enzymes.> > > >> > > > Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 antibiotics also have anti inflammitory qualities From: biomed_mom Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 9:16 PM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection Why would you treat yeast when the problem is bacterial? I have to disagree. There are many kids that have done well on long term antibiotics for a variety of reasons, including mine. Erythromycin can actually be good for the gut as it mimics motilin in both the gut and the brain, which some kids are likely to be low in. I can't say anything about any other antibiotic but I know that many PANDAS kids need it. I'll have to leave that explanation to the PANDAS people, though. When we switched to our DAN from Dr. G, she knew all of this so I don't think it's that novel in DAN. I can't say that for sure, though, as I've only seen 1 DAN. :)Here's a conversation I had with Owens in 2007 on Erythromycin and motilin, including studies. I learned a lot from her that day. *smiles fondly* Seems I've learned a lot from , though.http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/mb12 valtrex/message/18914Cheryl ~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com~~@midian42~--- In mb12 valtrex , "Suzanne" wrote:>> Do you mean that your kids have been on a probiotic? I would not suggest using antibiotics for clearing up something like unformed stools. There is a reason that your child is not having formed stool and I would suggest getting to the actual cause, not covering the problem with using an antibiotic. > > Long-term use of antibiotics will only set yourself up for yeast and bacteria, which can eventually lead to leaky gut. Unformed stool will seem like nothing when you end up having severe gut issues. > > I would suggest treating yeast with something like grapefruit seed, bacteria with something like goldenseal, and a good probiotic. Antibiotics are never a good idea for gut kids. Also, be sure that your ear infection is bacterial before opting for antibiotics. Most ear infections are viral and do not respond to antibiotics anyway. Garlic oil in the ear would be more effective and won't disrupt the gut.> > Dr. Suzanne Fleeson-DaSilva> www.fcchiropracticcenter.com > > > > > >> > > > My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot> > > of things with her with diet.> > > >> > > > Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested> > > when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on> > > an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).> > > >> > > > She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with> > > her.> > > >> > > > Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but> > > I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics> > > are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no> > > avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just> > > after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after> > > that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested> > > even with enzymes.> > > >> > > > Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 antibiotics also have anti inflammitory qualities From: biomed_mom Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 9:16 PM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection Why would you treat yeast when the problem is bacterial? I have to disagree. There are many kids that have done well on long term antibiotics for a variety of reasons, including mine. Erythromycin can actually be good for the gut as it mimics motilin in both the gut and the brain, which some kids are likely to be low in. I can't say anything about any other antibiotic but I know that many PANDAS kids need it. I'll have to leave that explanation to the PANDAS people, though. When we switched to our DAN from Dr. G, she knew all of this so I don't think it's that novel in DAN. I can't say that for sure, though, as I've only seen 1 DAN. :)Here's a conversation I had with Owens in 2007 on Erythromycin and motilin, including studies. I learned a lot from her that day. *smiles fondly* Seems I've learned a lot from , though.http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/mb12 valtrex/message/18914Cheryl ~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com~~@midian42~--- In mb12 valtrex , "Suzanne" wrote:>> Do you mean that your kids have been on a probiotic? I would not suggest using antibiotics for clearing up something like unformed stools. There is a reason that your child is not having formed stool and I would suggest getting to the actual cause, not covering the problem with using an antibiotic. > > Long-term use of antibiotics will only set yourself up for yeast and bacteria, which can eventually lead to leaky gut. Unformed stool will seem like nothing when you end up having severe gut issues. > > I would suggest treating yeast with something like grapefruit seed, bacteria with something like goldenseal, and a good probiotic. Antibiotics are never a good idea for gut kids. Also, be sure that your ear infection is bacterial before opting for antibiotics. Most ear infections are viral and do not respond to antibiotics anyway. Garlic oil in the ear would be more effective and won't disrupt the gut.> > Dr. Suzanne Fleeson-DaSilva> www.fcchiropracticcenter.com > > > > > >> > > > My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot> > > of things with her with diet.> > > >> > > > Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested> > > when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on> > > an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).> > > >> > > > She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with> > > her.> > > >> > > > Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but> > > I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics> > > are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no> > > avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just> > > after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after> > > that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested> > > even with enzymes.> > > >> > > > Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this?> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Have you had your daughter’s stool tested for bacteria? My son had giardia and C. diff. We started with Flagyl (metronidazole benzonate). It cleared the giardia but not the c.diff. we just finished a round of vancomycin and his stools have firmed back up but we haven’t received the test results to see if the c.diff is gone. Cheers, mardi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Have you had your daughter’s stool tested for bacteria? My son had giardia and C. diff. We started with Flagyl (metronidazole benzonate). It cleared the giardia but not the c.diff. we just finished a round of vancomycin and his stools have firmed back up but we haven’t received the test results to see if the c.diff is gone. Cheers, mardi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Have you had your daughter’s stool tested for bacteria? My son had giardia and C. diff. We started with Flagyl (metronidazole benzonate). It cleared the giardia but not the c.diff. we just finished a round of vancomycin and his stools have firmed back up but we haven’t received the test results to see if the c.diff is gone. Cheers, mardi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 We had our dd's stools tested back in December and I have to go back to the ND to get a hold of the results...I haven't gone back there just yet because funds are kind of tight here and I'm waiting on a few checks from my clients. Maia was on Amoxcillin in November for an ear infection and she was also on Amoxcillin for another ear infection during the summer. In November, she went through 2 rounds of Amox and both times, we had perfectly digested, perfectly formed stools for a few weeks afterwards. I had also changed diets during that time, really eliminating the carbs so, at first, that was what I thought did it and I hadn't correlated it to the abx. I still have her on a similar diet but I just can't get the stools right. In fact, it's gone from bad to worse now. She had some wicked diarrhea yesterday and no matter how much enzymes I used, there was undigested food. Her poop's been degrading for about 8 weeks now. I've been doing everything I can think of dietary. NOTHING is working. I pulled all cane sugar, carbs, I'm cooking fruit first before giving it to her, I'm trying to give her the most easily digested food. NOTHING is working. I might go see our DAN (he's still covered by our universal healthcare here for another few months) and see if I can get a script for abx. Have you had your daughter’s stool tested for bacteria? My son had giardia and C. diff. We started with Flagyl (metronidazole benzonate). It cleared the giardia but not the c.diff. we just finished a round of vancomycin and his stools have firmed back up but we haven’t received the test results to see if the c.diff is gone. Cheers, mardi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 We had our dd's stools tested back in December and I have to go back to the ND to get a hold of the results...I haven't gone back there just yet because funds are kind of tight here and I'm waiting on a few checks from my clients. Maia was on Amoxcillin in November for an ear infection and she was also on Amoxcillin for another ear infection during the summer. In November, she went through 2 rounds of Amox and both times, we had perfectly digested, perfectly formed stools for a few weeks afterwards. I had also changed diets during that time, really eliminating the carbs so, at first, that was what I thought did it and I hadn't correlated it to the abx. I still have her on a similar diet but I just can't get the stools right. In fact, it's gone from bad to worse now. She had some wicked diarrhea yesterday and no matter how much enzymes I used, there was undigested food. Her poop's been degrading for about 8 weeks now. I've been doing everything I can think of dietary. NOTHING is working. I pulled all cane sugar, carbs, I'm cooking fruit first before giving it to her, I'm trying to give her the most easily digested food. NOTHING is working. I might go see our DAN (he's still covered by our universal healthcare here for another few months) and see if I can get a script for abx. Have you had your daughter’s stool tested for bacteria? My son had giardia and C. diff. We started with Flagyl (metronidazole benzonate). It cleared the giardia but not the c.diff. we just finished a round of vancomycin and his stools have firmed back up but we haven’t received the test results to see if the c.diff is gone. Cheers, mardi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 We had our dd's stools tested back in December and I have to go back to the ND to get a hold of the results...I haven't gone back there just yet because funds are kind of tight here and I'm waiting on a few checks from my clients. Maia was on Amoxcillin in November for an ear infection and she was also on Amoxcillin for another ear infection during the summer. In November, she went through 2 rounds of Amox and both times, we had perfectly digested, perfectly formed stools for a few weeks afterwards. I had also changed diets during that time, really eliminating the carbs so, at first, that was what I thought did it and I hadn't correlated it to the abx. I still have her on a similar diet but I just can't get the stools right. In fact, it's gone from bad to worse now. She had some wicked diarrhea yesterday and no matter how much enzymes I used, there was undigested food. Her poop's been degrading for about 8 weeks now. I've been doing everything I can think of dietary. NOTHING is working. I pulled all cane sugar, carbs, I'm cooking fruit first before giving it to her, I'm trying to give her the most easily digested food. NOTHING is working. I might go see our DAN (he's still covered by our universal healthcare here for another few months) and see if I can get a script for abx. Have you had your daughter’s stool tested for bacteria? My son had giardia and C. diff. We started with Flagyl (metronidazole benzonate). It cleared the giardia but not the c.diff. we just finished a round of vancomycin and his stools have firmed back up but we haven’t received the test results to see if the c.diff is gone. Cheers, mardi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 I've even reduced oxalates significantly and she had a very obvious oxalate dump last week. Stools were grainy and sandy. I was in shock how much was dumped! But stools still didn't change and even got more liquidy after that (not that I don't think she needed to dump oxalates -- that was a good thing, but still didn't address the root of the chronic diarrhea problem). We had our dd's stools tested back in December and I have to go back to the ND to get a hold of the results...I haven't gone back there just yet because funds are kind of tight here and I'm waiting on a few checks from my clients. Maia was on Amoxcillin in November for an ear infection and she was also on Amoxcillin for another ear infection during the summer. In November, she went through 2 rounds of Amox and both times, we had perfectly digested, perfectly formed stools for a few weeks afterwards. I had also changed diets during that time, really eliminating the carbs so, at first, that was what I thought did it and I hadn't correlated it to the abx. I still have her on a similar diet but I just can't get the stools right. In fact, it's gone from bad to worse now. She had some wicked diarrhea yesterday and no matter how much enzymes I used, there was undigested food. Her poop's been degrading for about 8 weeks now. I've been doing everything I can think of dietary. NOTHING is working. I pulled all cane sugar, carbs, I'm cooking fruit first before giving it to her, I'm trying to give her the most easily digested food. NOTHING is working. I might go see our DAN (he's still covered by our universal healthcare here for another few months) and see if I can get a script for abx. Have you had your daughter’s stool tested for bacteria? My son had giardia and C. diff. We started with Flagyl (metronidazole benzonate). It cleared the giardia but not the c.diff. we just finished a round of vancomycin and his stools have firmed back up but we haven’t received the test results to see if the c.diff is gone. Cheers, mardi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 I've even reduced oxalates significantly and she had a very obvious oxalate dump last week. Stools were grainy and sandy. I was in shock how much was dumped! But stools still didn't change and even got more liquidy after that (not that I don't think she needed to dump oxalates -- that was a good thing, but still didn't address the root of the chronic diarrhea problem). We had our dd's stools tested back in December and I have to go back to the ND to get a hold of the results...I haven't gone back there just yet because funds are kind of tight here and I'm waiting on a few checks from my clients. Maia was on Amoxcillin in November for an ear infection and she was also on Amoxcillin for another ear infection during the summer. In November, she went through 2 rounds of Amox and both times, we had perfectly digested, perfectly formed stools for a few weeks afterwards. I had also changed diets during that time, really eliminating the carbs so, at first, that was what I thought did it and I hadn't correlated it to the abx. I still have her on a similar diet but I just can't get the stools right. In fact, it's gone from bad to worse now. She had some wicked diarrhea yesterday and no matter how much enzymes I used, there was undigested food. Her poop's been degrading for about 8 weeks now. I've been doing everything I can think of dietary. NOTHING is working. I pulled all cane sugar, carbs, I'm cooking fruit first before giving it to her, I'm trying to give her the most easily digested food. NOTHING is working. I might go see our DAN (he's still covered by our universal healthcare here for another few months) and see if I can get a script for abx. Have you had your daughter’s stool tested for bacteria? My son had giardia and C. diff. We started with Flagyl (metronidazole benzonate). It cleared the giardia but not the c.diff. we just finished a round of vancomycin and his stools have firmed back up but we haven’t received the test results to see if the c.diff is gone. Cheers, mardi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 I definitely would while you still have coverage. Also, do you use enzymes with her? I'd talk to my dan about a multifaceted plan of attack. P.S. The Buick is good...takes a licking and keeps on ticking and is still available for services. You just say the word, mama : ) To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 2:45:25 AMSubject: Re: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection We had our dd's stools tested back in December and I have to go back to the ND to get a hold of the results...I haven't gone back there just yet because funds are kind of tight here and I'm waiting on a few checks from my clients. Maia was on Amoxcillin in November for an ear infection and she was also on Amoxcillin for another ear infection during the summer. In November, she went through 2 rounds of Amox and both times, we had perfectly digested, perfectly formed stools for a few weeks afterwards. I had also changed diets during that time, really eliminating the carbs so, at first, that was what I thought did it and I hadn't correlated it to the abx. I still have her on a similar diet but I just can't get the stools right. In fact, it's gone from bad to worse now. She had some wicked diarrhea yesterday and no matter how much enzymes I used, there was undigested food. Her poop's been degrading for about 8 weeks now. I've been doing everything I can think of dietary. NOTHING is working. I pulled all cane sugar, carbs, I'm cooking fruit first before giving it to her, I'm trying to give her the most easily digested food. NOTHING is working. I might go see our DAN (he's still covered by our universal healthcare here for another few months) and see if I can get a script for abx. Have you had your daughter’s stool tested for bacteria? My son had giardia and C. diff. We started with Flagyl (metronidazole benzonate). It cleared the giardia but not the c.diff. we just finished a round of vancomycin and his stools have firmed back up but we haven’t received the test results to see if the c.diff is gone. Cheers, mardi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 People who do well on amoxicillan might want to try augmentin. It is amoxicillan + clavulanic acid (sp?) which combats bacteria from becoming resistant to amoxicillan alone. > > > > > > > Have you had your daughter's stool tested for bacteria? > > > > > > > > My son had giardia and C. diff. We started with Flagyl (metronidazole > > benzonate). It cleared the giardia but not the c.diff. we just finished a > > round of vancomycin and his stools have firmed back up but we haven't > > received the test results to see if the c.diff is gone. > > > > > > > > Cheers, mardi > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 fruits weither cooked or not will still feed yeast, what kinds of fruits are you doing? From: T Lynn Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 8:13 AM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection I definitely would while you still have coverage. Also, do you use enzymes with her? I'd talk to my dan about a multifaceted plan of attack. P.S. The Buick is good...takes a licking and keeps on ticking and is still available for services. You just say the word, mama : ) To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 2:45:25 AMSubject: Re: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection We had our dd's stools tested back in December and I have to go back to the ND to get a hold of the results...I haven't gone back there just yet because funds are kind of tight here and I'm waiting on a few checks from my clients. Maia was on Amoxcillin in November for an ear infection and she was also on Amoxcillin for another ear infection during the summer. In November, she went through 2 rounds of Amox and both times, we had perfectly digested, perfectly formed stools for a few weeks afterwards. I had also changed diets during that time, really eliminating the carbs so, at first, that was what I thought did it and I hadn't correlated it to the abx. I still have her on a similar diet but I just can't get the stools right. In fact, it's gone from bad to worse now. She had some wicked diarrhea yesterday and no matter how much enzymes I used, there was undigested food. Her poop's been degrading for about 8 weeks now. I've been doing everything I can think of dietary. NOTHING is working. I pulled all cane sugar, carbs, I'm cooking fruit first before giving it to her, I'm trying to give her the most easily digested food. NOTHING is working. I might go see our DAN (he's still covered by our universal healthcare here for another few months) and see if I can get a script for abx. Have you had your daughter’s stool tested for bacteria? My son had giardia and C. diff. We started with Flagyl (metronidazole benzonate). It cleared the giardia but not the c.diff. we just finished a round of vancomycin and his stools have firmed back up but we haven’t received the test results to see if the c.diff is gone. Cheers, mardi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 fruits weither cooked or not will still feed yeast, what kinds of fruits are you doing? From: T Lynn Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 8:13 AM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection I definitely would while you still have coverage. Also, do you use enzymes with her? I'd talk to my dan about a multifaceted plan of attack. P.S. The Buick is good...takes a licking and keeps on ticking and is still available for services. You just say the word, mama : ) To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 2:45:25 AMSubject: Re: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection We had our dd's stools tested back in December and I have to go back to the ND to get a hold of the results...I haven't gone back there just yet because funds are kind of tight here and I'm waiting on a few checks from my clients. Maia was on Amoxcillin in November for an ear infection and she was also on Amoxcillin for another ear infection during the summer. In November, she went through 2 rounds of Amox and both times, we had perfectly digested, perfectly formed stools for a few weeks afterwards. I had also changed diets during that time, really eliminating the carbs so, at first, that was what I thought did it and I hadn't correlated it to the abx. I still have her on a similar diet but I just can't get the stools right. In fact, it's gone from bad to worse now. She had some wicked diarrhea yesterday and no matter how much enzymes I used, there was undigested food. Her poop's been degrading for about 8 weeks now. I've been doing everything I can think of dietary. NOTHING is working. I pulled all cane sugar, carbs, I'm cooking fruit first before giving it to her, I'm trying to give her the most easily digested food. NOTHING is working. I might go see our DAN (he's still covered by our universal healthcare here for another few months) and see if I can get a script for abx. Have you had your daughter’s stool tested for bacteria? My son had giardia and C. diff. We started with Flagyl (metronidazole benzonate). It cleared the giardia but not the c.diff. we just finished a round of vancomycin and his stools have firmed back up but we haven’t received the test results to see if the c.diff is gone. Cheers, mardi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 I was doing cooked pears but I've added cooked peaches/nectarines into the mix. (blushing now that someone asked) -- I was also giving her a few bananas here and there but I've just stopped doing that wasn't helping any. And she's been drinking watered down grape juice, which I just stopped this morning. I started with very watered down pomegranate juice and alternating with very watered down black cherry juice. fruits weither cooked or not will still feed yeast, what kinds of fruits are you doing? From: T Lynn Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 8:13 AM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection I definitely would while you still have coverage. Also, do you use enzymes with her? I'd talk to my dan about a multifaceted plan of attack. P.S. The Buick is good...takes a licking and keeps on ticking and is still available for services. You just say the word, mama : ) To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 2:45:25 AMSubject: Re: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection We had our dd's stools tested back in December and I have to go back to the ND to get a hold of the results...I haven't gone back there just yet because funds are kind of tight here and I'm waiting on a few checks from my clients. Maia was on Amoxcillin in November for an ear infection and she was also on Amoxcillin for another ear infection during the summer. In November, she went through 2 rounds of Amox and both times, we had perfectly digested, perfectly formed stools for a few weeks afterwards. I had also changed diets during that time, really eliminating the carbs so, at first, that was what I thought did it and I hadn't correlated it to the abx. I still have her on a similar diet but I just can't get the stools right. In fact, it's gone from bad to worse now. She had some wicked diarrhea yesterday and no matter how much enzymes I used, there was undigested food. Her poop's been degrading for about 8 weeks now. I've been doing everything I can think of dietary. NOTHING is working. I pulled all cane sugar, carbs, I'm cooking fruit first before giving it to her, I'm trying to give her the most easily digested food. NOTHING is working. I might go see our DAN (he's still covered by our universal healthcare here for another few months) and see if I can get a script for abx. Have you had your daughter’s stool tested for bacteria? My son had giardia and C. diff. We started with Flagyl (metronidazole benzonate). It cleared the giardia but not the c.diff. we just finished a round of vancomycin and his stools have firmed back up but we haven’t received the test results to see if the c.diff is gone. Cheers, mardi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 I was doing cooked pears but I've added cooked peaches/nectarines into the mix. (blushing now that someone asked) -- I was also giving her a few bananas here and there but I've just stopped doing that wasn't helping any. And she's been drinking watered down grape juice, which I just stopped this morning. I started with very watered down pomegranate juice and alternating with very watered down black cherry juice. fruits weither cooked or not will still feed yeast, what kinds of fruits are you doing? From: T Lynn Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 8:13 AM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection I definitely would while you still have coverage. Also, do you use enzymes with her? I'd talk to my dan about a multifaceted plan of attack. P.S. The Buick is good...takes a licking and keeps on ticking and is still available for services. You just say the word, mama : ) To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 2:45:25 AMSubject: Re: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection We had our dd's stools tested back in December and I have to go back to the ND to get a hold of the results...I haven't gone back there just yet because funds are kind of tight here and I'm waiting on a few checks from my clients. Maia was on Amoxcillin in November for an ear infection and she was also on Amoxcillin for another ear infection during the summer. In November, she went through 2 rounds of Amox and both times, we had perfectly digested, perfectly formed stools for a few weeks afterwards. I had also changed diets during that time, really eliminating the carbs so, at first, that was what I thought did it and I hadn't correlated it to the abx. I still have her on a similar diet but I just can't get the stools right. In fact, it's gone from bad to worse now. She had some wicked diarrhea yesterday and no matter how much enzymes I used, there was undigested food. Her poop's been degrading for about 8 weeks now. I've been doing everything I can think of dietary. NOTHING is working. I pulled all cane sugar, carbs, I'm cooking fruit first before giving it to her, I'm trying to give her the most easily digested food. NOTHING is working. I might go see our DAN (he's still covered by our universal healthcare here for another few months) and see if I can get a script for abx. Have you had your daughter’s stool tested for bacteria? My son had giardia and C. diff. We started with Flagyl (metronidazole benzonate). It cleared the giardia but not the c.diff. we just finished a round of vancomycin and his stools have firmed back up but we haven’t received the test results to see if the c.diff is gone. Cheers, mardi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 I was doing cooked pears but I've added cooked peaches/nectarines into the mix. (blushing now that someone asked) -- I was also giving her a few bananas here and there but I've just stopped doing that wasn't helping any. And she's been drinking watered down grape juice, which I just stopped this morning. I started with very watered down pomegranate juice and alternating with very watered down black cherry juice. fruits weither cooked or not will still feed yeast, what kinds of fruits are you doing? From: T Lynn Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 8:13 AM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection I definitely would while you still have coverage. Also, do you use enzymes with her? I'd talk to my dan about a multifaceted plan of attack. P.S. The Buick is good...takes a licking and keeps on ticking and is still available for services. You just say the word, mama : ) To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 2:45:25 AMSubject: Re: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection We had our dd's stools tested back in December and I have to go back to the ND to get a hold of the results...I haven't gone back there just yet because funds are kind of tight here and I'm waiting on a few checks from my clients. Maia was on Amoxcillin in November for an ear infection and she was also on Amoxcillin for another ear infection during the summer. In November, she went through 2 rounds of Amox and both times, we had perfectly digested, perfectly formed stools for a few weeks afterwards. I had also changed diets during that time, really eliminating the carbs so, at first, that was what I thought did it and I hadn't correlated it to the abx. I still have her on a similar diet but I just can't get the stools right. In fact, it's gone from bad to worse now. She had some wicked diarrhea yesterday and no matter how much enzymes I used, there was undigested food. Her poop's been degrading for about 8 weeks now. I've been doing everything I can think of dietary. NOTHING is working. I pulled all cane sugar, carbs, I'm cooking fruit first before giving it to her, I'm trying to give her the most easily digested food. NOTHING is working. I might go see our DAN (he's still covered by our universal healthcare here for another few months) and see if I can get a script for abx. Have you had your daughter’s stool tested for bacteria? My son had giardia and C. diff. We started with Flagyl (metronidazole benzonate). It cleared the giardia but not the c.diff. we just finished a round of vancomycin and his stools have firmed back up but we haven’t received the test results to see if the c.diff is gone. Cheers, mardi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 our LLMD says it did but I havne't done much research on it From: Hammes Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 10:14 AM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection Can Flagyl kill gut strep? Is it similar to antibiotics used regularly? (amoxicillin - zithro?) Thanks to any and all clarification! Sent from my iPhone we are there 3 months going strong with my youngest, she has clostrida in her gut that won't die!!!!! From: Rhonda Masengale Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:20 PM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection My 2 boys used to go to a GI known for treating autistic kids with gut issues and he told me some of his kids needed to stay on Flagyllongterm to keep having firm poops. Just something to keep in mind. Maybe go to a GI. hth.Rhonda Masengale My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot of things with her with diet. Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with her. Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested even with enzymes.Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 our LLMD says it did but I havne't done much research on it From: Hammes Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 10:14 AM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection Can Flagyl kill gut strep? Is it similar to antibiotics used regularly? (amoxicillin - zithro?) Thanks to any and all clarification! Sent from my iPhone we are there 3 months going strong with my youngest, she has clostrida in her gut that won't die!!!!! From: Rhonda Masengale Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:20 PM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection My 2 boys used to go to a GI known for treating autistic kids with gut issues and he told me some of his kids needed to stay on Flagyllongterm to keep having firm poops. Just something to keep in mind. Maybe go to a GI. hth.Rhonda Masengale My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot of things with her with diet. Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with her. Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested even with enzymes.Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 our LLMD says it did but I havne't done much research on it From: Hammes Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 10:14 AM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection Can Flagyl kill gut strep? Is it similar to antibiotics used regularly? (amoxicillin - zithro?) Thanks to any and all clarification! Sent from my iPhone we are there 3 months going strong with my youngest, she has clostrida in her gut that won't die!!!!! From: Rhonda Masengale Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:20 PM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Firmed stools when on antibiotics for an ear infection My 2 boys used to go to a GI known for treating autistic kids with gut issues and he told me some of his kids needed to stay on Flagyllongterm to keep having firm poops. Just something to keep in mind. Maybe go to a GI. hth.Rhonda Masengale My 3.5 year old daughter has chronic loose stools. I've been trying a lot of things with her with diet. Her stools go from mushy or liquidy to well-formed and fully digested when she is on antibiotics to treat an ear infection (last year, she was on an antibiotic twice for an ear infection).She is autistic and non-verbal and cannot tell me what's going on with her. Right now, I'm trying everything I can to firm up the stools again but I'm just getting mushy, poorly formed stools. SCD and GFCF and probiotics are doing nothing for the stools. We've also been trying enzymes, but to no avail. They were firm again in late November for a while, but that was just after she had been on the antibiotics for an ear infection. Weeks after that, her BMs degraded back to the usual mush, sometimes not fully digested even with enzymes.Has anyone else seen this in their child? How should we approach this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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