root canals

November 18, 2003

In a message dated 18/11/2003 20:13:17 GMT Standard Time, czernib@...

writes:

> would they show up on an X-ray?

>

YES

November 18, 2003

Root canal treatments can be seen on dental x-rays.

S. Cantor, D.D.S.

Director, Dental Program

Easter Seals Metropolitan Chicago

jeffreyscantor@...

Bernadette Czernik <czernib@...> wrote:

How do you know if you have any root canals? Can you tell from looking,

or would they show up on an X-ray?

November 18, 2003

> How do you know if you have any root canals? Can you tell from

looking,

> or would they show up on an X-ray?

>

Plus you should have had some indication you were getting one....and

felt it in your pocketbook when it was over.......

Beth

November 19, 2003

Hi Dr. Cantor, Could you please tell us what exactly is in Novacaine?

Thanks, R

November 19, 2003

" Novocaine " is a generic term used by the general public to refer to injectable

local anesthetic agents used in dentistry. The most common injectable local

anesthetic used in the U.S. today is lidocaine. Lidocaine comes in what is known

as a dental " carpule " or cartridge that fits in a dental syringe. Each cartridge

contains 1.8 ml. of solution. In each milliliter of solution there is 20 mg. of

lidocaine hydrochloride, 10 micrograms of epinephrine, and very small amount of

a sulfite preservative. The epinephrine serves as a " vasoconstrictor, " i.e. a

chemical agent which causes the blood vessels in the area of injection to

constrict. This vasoconstriction decreases the rate of absorption of the local

anesthetic by the circulatory system which, in turn, allows the local anesthetic

to maintain its optimum local anesthetic effect for a longer time. The sulfite

preservative prevents the chemical breakdown of the epinephrine, thus

lengthening the shelf life of the dental carpule.

True " allergy " to lidocaine is extremely rare. However, some people may be

allergic to the sulfite preservative. If this is the case, there are alternative

local anesthetics that may be used which do not contain a sulfite preservative.

Should one be allergic to latex products, then a dental cartridge which has

diaphragm which is latex-free should be used.

I hope this answers your question.

S. Cantor, D.D.S.

Director, Dental Program

Easter Seals Metropolitan Chicago

jeffreyscantor@...

& Jack Rawlings <jamaraw@...> wrote:

Hi Dr. Cantor, Could you please tell us what exactly is in Novacaine?

Thanks, R

November 20, 2003

Thanks Dr. Cantor!

August 15, 2007

Lee Interview with Meinig, DDS & Dr. M. LaMarche

Cavitations & Root Canals

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Lee: Have you ever looked at fossil remains of dinosaurs or

those of early man and noticed those rows and rows of perfect teeth

still intact? Have you ever wondered why modern man can't seem to get

through a lifetime with all his teeth intact, it doesn't seem fair

does it? What are we doing wrong? No doubt you've heard and we have

covered in depth on this show the problems arising from mercury and

silver amalgams. It's so well known in fact that 50% of the over

1,000,000 amalgams placed in teeth of Americans today are composites.

A new material that doesn't contain mercury. You probably thought

that mercury was the big issue and that now you know about it you're

safe in terms of what's safe in your mouth. I'm sorry, but there's

more. There's much, much more. And we have tonight two gentlemen who

are experts in their field in some of the newest research, actually

it's old research, but it's just getting the attention today that it

deserves. And that is problems with root canals; apparently there are

bacteria that can be harbored in root canals no matter how perfectly

they're done. These bacteria mutate and become toxin factories, they

can get out into the bloodstream and cause degenerative diseases or

make them worse. Also cavitation is a new term you're going to learn

tonight and that is the space left in the jawbone when a tooth is

extracted. If an infected tooth or simply a wisdom tooth that needs

to come out to make space, problems can arise with dead tissue in the

jawbone and you're going to learn tonight what you can do about these

conditions. We have with us Dr. Meinig, the author of Root

Canal Cover-up. It's a book that details this work from the 1920's

done by Dr. Westin Price. Research that has been done recently and

confirmed. He's a specialist in root canals and a dentist. We also

have with us Dr. LaMarche. He's a dentist that is in practice

today specializing in mercury removal. He has worked closely with Dr.

Hal Huggins who's a leading researcher into mercury toxicity and

silver dental amalgams and also Dr. LaMarche is one of 13 dentists

selected nationwide selected for research into cavitations. And we're

going to find out some very important and useful information tonight.

Welcome Dr. Meinig.

Dr. Meinig: Thank you very much, .

Lee: And welcome Dr. LaMarche.

Dr. LaMarche: Thank you, it's a pleasure to be here.

Lee: Thank you for all the work that you two have been doing in

this. I know that people who are plagued with degenerative diseases,

people who want to avoid those conditions, people whose health is

delicate don't need any extra assaults on the immune system. And this

research is quite startling when you first hear about it. It begins

to make more and more sense when you look into it. Let's start with

you Dr. Meinig, tell us a bit about the problems with root canals,

your research and why do we even have infected teeth? That's a

question we'll get to - prevention - at the end of our discussion

tonight, but what is a root canal, let's define some terms. What has

been some of the research?

Dr. Meinig: Let me start out by saying that I am one of the 19

founding members of the root canal association, so the people out

there don't get the idea that I have no background in the...

Lee: Did I not mention that? I'm sorry, that was in my notes.

Dr. Meinig: And it's important for you to know that because I'm going

to be saying some things critical about root canal treatment today.

And the reason is that I practiced some 47 years and in all of that

time I never heard about a 25-year research program that was

conducted by Dr. Westin Price in the early 1900's and actually before

then and it was finally published in 1923. His work was all well

documented in two volumes of 1174 pages and in 25 articles that

appear in the medical and dental literature. Now what he reported and

what he found with the tests which involved some 5,000 animals over

the 25 year period was root canal distilled teeth, no matter how good

they looked, or how free they were from symptoms, always remained

infected. Now that's a shocker, and it's one that many dentists don't

want to believe because many of the things that we do as an

endodontist involve large areas of bone loss at the end of a root of

the tooth and when you do the root canal filling you see that bone

fills in with new bone and how could that dentist and that patient

ever think that there could still be infection in that tooth? And the

problem is that the infection occurs in what is known as the dentin

of the tooth. The dentin involves 95% of all of the tooth substance

and surprisingly, although it's almost as hard as enamel when it's

cut with a drill it makes a shrill noise just like if you were

cutting stone, and you would think it was a very hard solid

substance. Surprisingly it's composed of little tiny tubules, and

those tubules are so small that if we took our smallest front tooth

and stretched it out - stretched those tubules out end to end - it

would stretch out for a distance of 3 miles. Now what happens is when

you get a cavity in a tooth and the decay gets into the dentin of the

tooth the bacteria that are involved in the decay process get into

those tubules. I should tell you that initially those tubules carry a

fluid and that that fluid carries nutriments and the nutriments in

those dentin tubules keep the tooth alive and healthy. And those

nutriments come from the nerve and the blood vessels that come into

the root canal of the tooth. And so fundamentally what happens when

you get a deep cavity and it exposes the nerve of the tooth, those

bacteria get into all of those dentin tubules and they remain in

there causing infection and eventually they can escape and that's a

story in itself. They can escape in what's known as the lateral

canals and there toxins can actually escape directly through the root

surface into what's called the peridontal membrane or ligament. This

is a hard fibrous tissue which holds the tooth in the bony socket,

and when the infection gets into there it transfers easily into the

bony socket and from there the bacteria and the bacterial toxins can

get into the surrounding bone and the blood supply of that

surrounding bone. And now this acts much like cancer cells, you know

cancer cells metastasize and that means that they travel around the

body in the bloodstream and they get to another tissue, gland or

organ and they set up a new cancer. Well these bacteria from infected

dentin tubules also travel around and metastasize in the same way and

they can get into the various tissue. Those bacteria are kind of like

people, you know, if they get to like Seattle or Reno or someplace

they decide that's where they're going to have their home, well the

bacteria traveling around the body, they may get to the liver, the

kidneys or the heart or the eyes or some other tissue and they set up

an infection in that area. So this is exactly what happens and why

the degenerative diseases occur from these teeth.

Lee: Now why isn't the immune system not able to knock out

these bacteria when they get outside the tooth? I can understand

three miles of tunnels in these microtubules of an infected tooth for

these bacteria to propagate in. It's hard for the immune system to

get in there, but once they travel out, what's the immune system

doing there? Just a slow wear and tear where they can't get rid of

the infection sites so it's this constant default...?

Dr. Meinig: Well, you're right, the immune system under certain

circumstances can take care of this quite adequately, but it has to

be those people who have extremely good genetic backgrounds who are

in good nutrition basis, are having no health problems, in their

daily life.

Lee: Now, who in the late 20th century can make that claim with

all the assaults on our systems.

Dr. Meinig: That's right, , there's not very many that can make

that claim. Now if there are some people, and Dr. Price found that

258 of his patients met that requirement, he found they could stand

root canals for many years without any difficulty until they had a

severe accident, until they got a case of the flu, they had some

severe stress to them, and now their immune system which was able to

cope with these bacteria and these toxins of the bacteria now had too

much to do and they could no longer cope and this person would

develop a disease in their liver, their kidneys, their eyes, their

brain, their whatever, just the same as a cancer metastasizing around

this would happen to them in degenerative disease situation.

Lee: When we come back let's talk a little bit about Dr.

Price's original research. This research went on for five decades or

so not being recognized. He was first doing this in the 209. It went

for a long long time not really being recognized, though he was part

of the establishment of his day, he did legitimate research, he wrote

volumes, it's well-documented, he did the proper laboratory

experiments, etc. etc. And yet it's counter intuitive to what

dentists observe, or how we thought the mouth worked, or bacteria in

the immune system worked. So I'd like to know what's the original

research, I know he did a lot with rabbits, it's pretty startling

research, it's dramatic research. Let's talk about that and how it

went on for so long and you said there was a cover-up involved. We've

got more to talk about with Dr. Meinig, the author of Root

Canal Cover-up and Dr. LaMarche that's going to tell us a bit

about cavitations. I'm Lee.

, you were telling me in the break that your description of

your practice in dentistry is now encompassing so much more that you

now describe it as biologically compatible dentistry. Could you

define that term and then we'll...

Dr. LaMarche: Yes, basically our practice has changed and to say that

our focus was strictly on amalgam removal would not be correct. I

think we're more focused on the nutritional aspects of an individual

in conjunction with blood chemistries and also working very closely

with physicians for the patient's general overall health. Certainly

we are concerned with heavy metals in our patients but to say that

would be our major concern and focus would...

Lee: Well, I'm one of your patients and I know that you look at

the system as a holistic system and that the role that dental health

plays in that segues into so many other areas so I think you're the

dentist of the future and that you're looking at the whole system of

the person, the entire health of the person, and that interplays, yes

indeed. Thank you for making that correction. And you'll also find

Dr. LaMarche in Lake s, Washington. Dr. Meinig, you were going

to tell us about Westin Price's work in the 1920's - how he even

happened onto the thought that root canals might be a stress on the

immune system.

Dr. Meinig: Before I mention that I should say that all of this is

really dealing with the theory of local infection. Focal infection

means that you can have an infection somewhere in the body and that

the bacteria that are involved may be transferred to another tissue,

gland, or organ somewhere in the body and set up a whole new

infection. Most of this was started by Dr. Billings in the first

decade of this century and by 1914 his research had showed that 958

of all focal infections came from teeth and from tonsils. The others

came from a few other sources like infected sinuses, fingernails,

toenails, appendices and so on. But what happened is that of course

Dr. Price learned about all of this work and he had done a root canal

filling for a woman who developed a severe arthritic condition. She

was so bad that she was bedridden most of the time and her hands were

so swollen with arthritis that she could hardly feed herself. And

when he heard about all of this focal infection work by Billings he

realized that maybe this root fill that he did that looked so fine on

the X-rays was part of her problem in causing this arthritis. And so

like all research programs in which researchers get involved, there's

usually one that sets of the tone and this case happened to be the

one that captured everybody's imagination. There were a lot of

others, but this one did, and the reason was that he finally

convinced her that she should have that tooth removed and she came

into his office, had the tooth removed aseptically incidentally,

because if he contaminates the tooth when he's taking it out with the

saliva and other things then that's a problem of introducing other

bacteria into the situation.

Lee: Also couldn't do a proper lab test on it.

Dr. Meinig: So he did that and he secured a laboratory animal and in

this case it was a rabbit and he put a little local anesthetic under

the skin of the back of the rabbit. He made a small buttonhole

incision into the skin of the rabbit and he put that extracted root

canal filled tooth into that incision. He put a couple of little

stitches in there to hold the tooth, to keep it from popping out

again and he returned the animal to a spacious cage that had plenty

of good food and awaited development. Well it didn't take long, two

days later that rabbit developed the same arthritis in its limbs that

the patient had and in ten days it passed away from the infection

from that root filled tooth. Well now this was somewhat of a

confirmation for Dr. Price that people who had root canal filled

teeth and had illnesses that the medical profession was having

difficulty in solving - that maybe these root filled teeth were

causing those problems, and so whenever he had people who were going

from doctor to doctor and not finding out what was wrong with them,

he would then advise them to have any root filled teeth out and he

would implant the tooth under the skin of the rabbit or they used

numbers of other animals, but rabbits proved to be a little more

dramatic, but the same thing happened whether it was a dog or a rat

or a chipmunk or whatever they used, these same diseases would occur.

Well the surprising thing was when the patient with a heart condition

came in and had a root filled tooth and wasn't getting anywhere with

his treatment and they took that root filled tooth and implanted it

under the skin of a rabbit, by golly, that rabbit got a heart

condition and usually passed away within a few days. If the person

had kidney trouble, well the rabbit got kidney trouble. And if the

person had trouble with their eyes, well the rabbit got trouble with

the eyes. As a matter of fact the eyes reacted so severely that even

minor problems with the patient's eyes would cause the rabbit to go

blindusually in two to three days. And so there were a lot of

different situations and almost any disease that you might think of

they eventually transferred from a patient through the root filled

tooth into another laboratory animal.

Lee: So what's the theory with the focal infection? Why is it

there's the connection with the infected tooth and that problem area

in another part of the body?

Dr. Meinig: Well, the reason that this is a focal infection is

because the infection came from the tooth and traveled from the tooth

to the heart or the kidneys or the lungs or some area of the body and

it set up a new infection.

Lee: Right, but certain bacteria that is human transferred to

an animal, say rabbit, that same bacteria will not just accidentally

go attack the liver, it will attack the eyes.

Dr. Meinig: Yes.

Lee: It's destined for that one organ. How do you explain that?

Dr. Meinig: Price I'm sure was not able to explain that either, it

was a big surprise to them to think that almost always the same

disease occurred. Sometimes it wasn't exactly the same, but it was

usually the same tissue. But most of the time it was actually the

same disease and what he did in order to prove these things in those

days - he realized he might insert his own thinking into what was

happening and so what he did very often was to repeat experiments

because they didn't know double-blind business, but he did know

enough about it, so what he did was he transferred...

Lee: We'll get the rest of this when we come back with DR,

Meinig and Dr. LaMarche. And you thought it was just

mercury in your mouth that was a problem. I'm Lee, we'll be

right back on the Lee Show.

And we are back, hi. Dr. Meinig and Dr. LaMarche are

with us in studio tonight. The topic, root canals and the problem

with bacteria that get trapped inside the microtubules of the tooth,

of an infected tooth, can migrate throughout the body, they can

infect an organ, gland or tissue, they can damage the heart, kidneys,

joints, eyes, brain. They can even endanger pregnant women. These

infections were first discovered by a 25 year root canal research

program carried out by the American Dental Association. Dr. Meinig

says this research was secretly covered up. It's been re-examined and

redone recently and here's the story. Let's start taking some phone

calls from up first from Portland, Oregon. Hi, .

: Hello, Lee. Yeah this is kind of a personal topic for

me, about 15 years ago I heard a report from the University of Texas

Medical School at Waco. They had a 6ve-year study where they

demonstrated that 1,000 milligrams of vitamin C per day would prevent

periodontal disease. Well then shortly thereafter my cat came down

with distemper so I cured him over a period of ten days using 500 mg.

of vitamin C per day. And about two years after that I was diagnosed

by my dentist whom I had been going to for a long time, with pretty

serious periodontal disease. And he X-rayed my whole mouth upper and

lower, showed me all the pockets and everything I had and he

sectioned my teeth of into two upper and three lower and did the

scraping on the first section lower, the worst part first. Well I was

so frightened and saw that there was going to be such a tremendous

amount of expense to me that I immediately started taking 15,000 mg

per day for the next four months. He x-rayed my teeth at the end of

the third month and he said " You know something's happening here, the

number of pockets you have and the size of those pockets is rapidly

diminishing " 90 he wanted to re-X-ray just to verify this, so he did

and it showed that some of the smaller pockets had completely gone

away and the larger pockets were reduced by less than half their

previous size only three months before. And he was amazed and he

asked me what I had been doing, and I said I had simply been taking

15,000 mg of vitamin C every day - 5,000 with each meal. And other

than that I hadn't changed my diet or done anything else. Does your

guest have any experience using vitamin C for therapy?

Lee: Well, they are looking into nutrition and the impact it

has on health overall. Dr. Meinig...

Dr. Meinig: Well a third of my practice is actually periodontal

disease. You said that I was a specialist in endodontics but I

preferred to do all of dentistry and about a third of practice was

periodontal disease. I never had any patient do 15,000 mg of vitamin

C, I got many of them on vitamin C, but not that much, and your

discovery is a very interesting one and I'm going to advise a few

people to try that and let's see what happens with them. I can't say

that I've had experience to that extent with anybody.

Lee: I would say that you'd want to get the plaque and

everything else scraped off your teeth and give yourself a head

start. Don't do it instead of.

Dr. Meinig: That's right. Absolutely it's important that you get all

of the deposits removed, otherwise.... Incidentally those infections

from periodontal pockets are as serious as root canal filled teeth

are, so it's very important that you know that.

: Well, just recently I had had a relapse where one of my front

teeth has been pressed back partly out of the jawbone as far as

support is concerned and developed a pretty serious periodontal

pocket because I used an infected dental floss, well I hadn't used a

brand new one, I used one I used a couple of days previous and

apparently the food had become contaminated and it infected the lower

gum, down the root line below the gum. And I developed a pretty

serious pus pocket down there which it took about three days to clean

out physically, but then I merely started taking high doses of

vitamin C and within about 2 weeks the gums are completely cleared up

and developed a more reddish color and the tooth was much firmer in

the gum than it had been before. Also, ginkgo can have some of the

same effect as far as helping a person of middle age or older to

develop much stronger teeth, you know as far as being rooted in the

jawbone and help their gums .

Lee: Thanks for that story, we appreciate that . Also,

let's go back to the research that Dr. Westin Price had done you were

saying you were going to explain another aspect of it.

Dr. Meinig: Well, we were talking about the fact that he didn't know

about double-blind studies and what he did instead. He knew that he

could introduce his own thinking into what he was doing and so he

repeated a lot of things. For instance he had a patient who had

kidney trouble and had a root filled tooth. He removed that tooth,

put it under the skin of a rabbit, the rabbit got kidney trouble and

died within a few days. He took the tooth out of that rabbit,

surgically of course, and washed it in soap and water, disinfected it

with a disinfectant and put it under the skin of another rabbit and

that rabbit got kidney trouble and passed away. He then took that

tooth out of that rabbit and put it in another rabbit and he repeated

that 30 times.

Lee: The same tooth?

Dr. Meinig: That's right. The same root filled tooth. Now the reason

he did that was that he had to prove to himself and to the world that

this infection was able to be transferred and the only way he knew it

was to do more animals and it wasn't that he disliked rabbits, in

fact he took very good care of his rabbits, but this was one way he

could do something about it. Now one of the things that happens with

these root filled teeth is that when they are removed it is very

often that periodontal membrane that is infected and the surrounding

bony socket remains in the jaw and sometimes healing gets rid of that

but many times it doesn't. And what happens then is an infection that

occurs in the jawbone and I think we should turn this over to Dr.

LaMarche because he's going to be telling you something about that

phase of things.

Lee: And the term cavitation. Dr. LaMarche...

Dr. LaMarche: Well cavitation actually is a cavity within the bone

which was formerly occupied by a tooth. I think it's important that

our listeners know that our office is one of 30 in the United States,

Canada and Europe that have been selected to participate in a

research group called the North American NICO Research Group. NICO is

an acronym - Neuralgia Inducing Cavitational Osteonecrosis. Which is

another word for dead bone, actually it literally means a cavity

within the jaw that is lined with dead bone that causes pain. Our

research group was formed by Dr. Jerry Eboco who is an oral

pathologist in West Virginia, and he began researching this

extensively in I believe early '90s. Papers have been written on it

since the '80s, and more recently he's been pursuing this and he

gathered together a group of dentists so that we could make the

connection between trigeminal neuralgia, atypical facial pain,

chronic migraine headaches and cavitations. And what we have found in

addition to this is when cavitations are removed, not only do we find

that these trigeminal neuralgia's or this pain is relieved, but we

find that patients also realize other improvements within their

systemic health.

Lee: How do you remove a cavitation, what do you mean by that?

Remove the dead bone?

Dr. LaMarche: Well, cavitations do not show up extremely well on X-

ray, but when they are located and maybe a little bit later we can

describe how we locate them, but a cavitation is...an incision is

made in the gum tissue over where a tooth was formerly located, a

large enough area or flap is laid so that the gum is removed from the

bone and we are allowed to penetrate the cortical plate or the bone

overlying the cavitation. The dental instrument, in this case a

drill, will actually fall through the bone and into this cavity.

Before we clean it out, however, we go in with an instrument called a

curette and scrape it very thoroughly and we submit this sample to

the pathologist.

Lee: What kind of lab results do you often get?

Dr. LaMarche: Well, I would say that probably 98% and even larger

than 98% what we find is what's called ischemic osteonecrosis, it's

bone death due to poor perfusion of oxygen or blood supply to a local

area. The cavitations are lined with dead bone, the body's response

to that is to...

Lee: Seal it off!

Dr. LaMarche: Seal it off, it does that with fat, we will find fat in

there. Ultimately the fat becomes calcified so we see what's called

calcific fat necrosis. We will sometimes see chronic inflammatory

cells, however that is not the hallmark of this disease, as a matter

of fact we see few inflammatory cells - many times we'll see bacteria

colonies, toxide filaments, within these specimens. I think another

very interesting thing that we have learned from this through our

biopsying is that the pathologist will identify what he terms fibrin

sludging. That is the fibrin will actually start pooling.

Lee: What is fibrin?

Dr. LaMarche: It is the part of the clotting factor and there is some

proteins - C proteins, S proteins...

Lee: From blood that was in there when the tooth was pulled?

Dr. LaMarche: Exactly. What happens is the blood initially comes into

the site but because of the body's inability to break down the clot

or because of the body's ability to make a very tenacious clot - one

has either what's called thrombopheha or hypofibrinolysis. Lee:

Whichever it is, it doesn't sound nice.

Dr. LaMarche: Either one of them, one of them is a very tenacious

clot or an inability to break the clot down, consequently nothing

gets in, nothing gets out, we have bone death.

Lee: Why does it happen in the jaw bone 98% of the time? If

someone breaks their leg bone, that bone heals up nicely in most

instances. Why does the body have more trouble with the jaw bone

tooth extractions than say other parts of the body?

Dr. LaMarche: That's a very good question. I believe that when a bone

is broken and two pieces are put together that's a different kind

of...

Lee: There's no space left.

Dr. LaMarche: Exactly, however what has been done in the Jewish

Hospital in Cincinatti, a Dr. Glick, MD has made a direct correlation

between the head of the femur, people fracturing the head of the

femur, that osteonecrosis or bone death is identical to that which we

find in the jaws.

Lee: Because that's a more solid part of the bone, a denser

part of the bone? What is it about that site?

Dr. LaMarche: I would say that probably it has more to do

with the circulation to the area.

Lee: Okay.

Dr. LaMarche: Again, osteonecrosis as we see it is defined as

ischemic osteonecrosis and ischemic implies that it is a lack of

perfusion of blood to the site.

Lee: In both cases it's a lack of oxygen that leads to the

mutation of the bacteria, they go from being aerobic to being

anaerobic bacteria in root canal instances. And here you find a lack

of oxygen to the site so there is a common factor. How often do you

find where you take out an infected tooth, say a root canal tooth,

either it's infected and you say I don't want to put a root canal in,

let's pull it and do other options, or it's a root canal infected

tooth that you pull - probably you're going to have necrotic tissue

arising because it's so full of bacteria, or that compared to say a

wisdom tooth that needs to be pulled for other reasons, it's not

infected or impacted - it just needs to get taken out.

Dr. LaMarche: That's what we're now recommending no matter why you

have to take a tooth out - even if it isn't infected, then a protocol

needs to be followed and that protocol means that the dentist after

he removes the tooth he also removes the periodontal ligament or

membrane which is a fibrous tissue that holds the tooth in the

socket, that's what keeps the tooth from failing out. That becomes

infected and it's still attached very securely to the surrounding

bony socket and so what we recommend is that the dentist go in with a

slow moving drill and remove that periodontal membrane and about 1 mm

of the bony socket in order to prevent these infections from

occurring. And strangely enough we find in many areas for instance,

wisdom teeth when they're removed, even though they were healthy

teeth - for some reason or another they very often develop a

cavitation around them. Some 400/0 of all wisdom teeth extractions

develop cavitations and the thing that should be done and what we're

thinking is better to be done, is to remove that periodontal membrane

at the time you remove the tooth and some of the surrounding bone in

order to prevent this from happening.

Lee: Well, that's great when you're getting a tooth extracted

by a dentist that knows this research and knows the procedure, but

what about all those people who have wisdom teeth? I mean most of us

have had our wisdom teeth extracted and they've grown over and the

dentist didn't know and so then you have a situation where you

probably have to go in again and clean that out as you were

describing. We'll take a break and take some phone calls when we come

back and what we're going to do is have information only about the

topic - cavitations, root canals, nutrition.

Root Canals & Cavitations

These are the topics, and please don't get too personal and ask for a

diagnosis. That's not what these two doctors are here for, but to

give out information on some of this new research. We'll be right

back.

Lee: And we are back, hi, Lee here and we are talking

with Dr. LaMarche, dentist in Lake s, Washington area

and Dr. Meinig. He's the author of Root Canal Cover-up, and

you were in Ojai, California. We have some calls for you gentlemen,

we have Call calling in next. Hi, Call, thanks for joining us.

Gail: Thank you. A couple years ago I had a root canal done and as

soon as it was done it didn't feel very good and I kept telling them

I thought something was wrong and they told me it was a great root

canal and there was absolutely nothing wrong with it. And I've had a

lot of pain in my right ear, and the jaw as a result and I can't find

a dentist that's willing to take that tooth out. I've been to three

endodontists and five dentists and no one will pull that tooth,

because they look at it and say it's a great root canal. So my

question is - where can I find a dentist in my area that will

actually look at this and possibly extract that root canal tooth,

it's a bicuspid.

Dr. LaMarche: Can I ask what area she's in?

Lee: You're in Tacoma, Washington, Gail?

Gail: Yeah.

Lee: , you mentioned that there were 30 dentists

involved in the cavitation research, what about the root canal

research? How many dentists are there out there that are up on this

and familiar with the work?

Dr. LaMarche: Well currently, right now, in the research group there

are 30 of us, and I'm sure that there will be more.

Lee: Can dentists anywhere say " I want to get involved, I want

to find out? " They're looking for more dentists?

Dr. LaMarche: Yes, if they would contact you perhaps you might

connect them up with me and we could make arrangements for them to

communicate with Dr. Bocho so that they could learn more about this

because certainly we need more involved....

Lee: Is there a list available so that someone could

send...I'11 be happy to distribute the information, but if there's a

list then our listeners in San Francisco to Minneapolis could also

write in and get a list of dentists.

Dr. LaMarche: Exactly. Dr. Bocho did ask those of us participating in

this research if we would have any objections to him giving the names

out and I cannot recall that anyone raised their hand and objected,

so I'm sure that he would provide you with that list.

Lee: And Dr. Meinig do you have any sort of list of dentists

who are up on this?

Dr. Meinig: I have a list of dentists that I refer. This is such a

new subject many dentists are in disagreement with it of course,

because they haven't heard or seen the research.

Lee: They may disagree until they see the research...

Dr. Meinig: We do have a scattering of them around the country and

the only thing is that when we give you a name, the first thing you

ask is whether they follow the root canal extraction protocol. Now

that may sound like a lot of things to say, but if you just ask if

they follow the extraction protocol and they say " yes, " then fine. If

they say " no, " then you keep looking, because what you want is

somebody that does follow that protocol.

Dr. LaMarche: I would like to add too to this, if I may, that it's

very important that you have that biopsy. I think to take the tooth

out, to say we've taken care of your problem, or to remove a

cavitation and to say that we've taken care of the problem is

incorrect without substantiating the clinical diagnosis with a

pathologist's report.

Lee: So what do you find out? If you had any bacteria colonies,

then what? Then what do you do?

Dr. LaMarche: Well, let me say that for example root canal teeth

radiographically on X-ray - they look beautiful, and there are those

people that don't believe that they cause a problem and probably they

don't cause a problem when one is healthy and in a healthy state. I

think when root canal teeth become a problem is when one becomes

older and there are more immunological challenges. Each root canal

tooth that we have removed we have documented on the last 150 - 147

of those have had ischemic osteonecrosis around the tooth.

Dr. Meinig: Is it in the bone around there?

Dr. LaMarche: That is in the bone surrounding the tissue. Lee:

Not to mention the tooth itself, right?

Dr. LaMarche: By the way, the trichologist (fungal scientist) also

decalcifies the tooth and examines if there is any necrotic or dead

tissue within the tooth and some ofthese have been extremely well

filled, well done technically.

Lee: Okay, we have Mike calling from a car phone before he gets

out of range. Hi, Mike.

Mike: This has been a very interesting topic. My wife is suffering

from a probable root canal, but my question is: the research that

they did with the animals where they implanted a tooth - how it had

affected the kidneys which was the thing of the original patient or

whatever - I wanted to know if the original human patient got better

or saw improvement after that and after the infected root canal tooth

was pulled out.

Dr. Meinig: Sorry I didn't answer that right away. We get so involved

in telling what's wrong we forget about telling you what happens.

Most of these people recover quite quickly, a little of it depends on

how long they've had the infection. Obviously if they've had it for

five or ten years it may be pretty well entrenched and take a while

to get rid of it and may not get rid of it completely. Most of them

however, go away completely and so many of them in one or two days,

it's really very startling. Some of us are beginning to think that

it's a little more than the transfer of infection and it may be

electrical in some way, electrical transference through the

acupuncture meridians and through other systems in the body. There

are a number of things we don't know about this, other than we do

know that it happens and very many people by the next day - their

arthritis is gone. I've had them call and tell me that they can now

do their mile jogging and walking that they couldn't do yesterday

when they had that tooth in their mouth.

Lee: To me it seems like " hedge your bets. " If there's this

kind of research on line, take advantage of it and this information.

Hi, Lee here for a second hour to spend with Dr. Meinig

and Dr. LaMarche talking about cavitations, that space left

in the jawbone when a tooth is extracted can lead to having necrotic

dead bone tissue there, can lead to jaw pain, neck pain, other

problems. And also root canals, the theory being that, in fact this

is pretty much confirmed, it's not really a theory, it's confirmed

science, is it not, Dr. Meinig?

Dr. Meinig: Well, Dr. Price used 5,000 animals to help with all of

this confirming.

Lee: And he ran through those rabbits. The research indicating

that microtubules in the tooth can harbor bacteria that mutate and

that can get out into the bloodstream and cause problems and

compromise the immune system and lead to degenerative diseases. So,

we're going to find out what to do, how to prevent problems and the

first place is - nutrition can play a role. I know that you also did

some extensive research with Dr. Price's theory that nutrition

impacts the development of the jaw and the person, the personality.

An extraordinary amount of research done that is being confirmed

today. By the way, someone wanted to know about getting a list of

dentists in your area that is upon this research and can perform some

ofthese techniques. There is a list from Dr. Bocho who is heading up

the NICO research of which Dr. LaMarche is a member, one of those 30

dentists nationwide who is conducting research into cavitations. And

that's one reason why you're doing the biopsies and sending it to the

lab, because that's part of the research. You want to know...

Dr. LaMarche: May I add something here - that Dr. Bocho and our group

has applied for a grant and we are waiting to hear from NIH, the

National Institutes of Health, regarding acceptance of this grant.

And it looks as though they're very excited in supporting us in our

research.

Lee: So this is very mainstream then?

Dr. LaMarche: Yes, it is.

Lee: It's not alternative research when we have the National

Institutes of Health involved.

Dr. LaMarche: No. This makes very good sense, what's happening, and

you can't lie with microscopic slides.

Lee: There are two lists - the Dr. Bocho list of dentists,

those 30 dentists in the area, and also the Price-Pottenger list of

those who specialize in root canal removal problems.

Dr. LaMarche: Right.

Lee: Okay, we have two lists available and if you write to me

at P.O. Box 3010, Bellevue, Washington 98009 we'll be happy to send

you those two lists. Let's take a call next from calling from

Salt Lake City, KCNR, hi .

http://www.tldp.com

info@...

360-385-6021

360-385-0699 (fax)

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>

> Help :-)

>

> Someone posted about root canals and antibiotics recently and I

lost the

> article. Could the person repost the article or the link?

>

> Thank you in advance.

>

> Cooky

>

August 16, 2007

http://www.tldp.com/issue/157-8/157rootc.htm

this it the website for info

rheumatic root canals

Help :-)

Someone posted about root canals and antibiotics recently and I lost the

article. Could the person repost the article or the link?

Thank you in advance.

Cooky

March 2, 2008

You only need a root canal if the root and nerve of the tooth are

infected.

For a broken tooth, you can have it 'built up " . Building it up is the

easiest, looks fine and lasts just as long. Dentists don't like it,

it's time consuming and doesn't pay them as much as a root canal.

You have the same material/colour options as with a filling, I chose to

have it done in white, matching the colour of my teeth.

You might want to consider having them prescribe a strong course of

antibiotic, just in case, since he thoght it was worth a root canal.

>

> I just broke a tooth and the dentist wants to do a root canal. He says

> he needs to do it to save the tooth. I have never had one before. What

> alternatives are there to having one done? Any information would be

> appreciated.

>

> Dee

>

August 26, 2008

Hi Patty,

I enjoyed your story about the root canal and the connection to your

knees. Interesting. I have one root canal and 3 crowns that have metal

in them. I have no health insurance right now. Would health insurance

cover a holistic dentist anyway or do you have to pay cash? Would it

be expensive and how would I find a holistic dentist in the San Diego

area?

Thanks,

Joanne

August 26, 2008

Hi Joanne,My holistic dentist takes my dental insurance, and I just pay the difference. Hopefully you could find the same situation, and maybe you could find a cheap dental policy that may work for you.

I find that my holistic dentist is not much more expensive that a regular dentist. He just chooses not to use mercury in his practice, but he does everything else the same, and he does alot of cosmetic dentistry, which is a huge market right now.

You can find a holistic dentist through several websites that provide references for these guys. Here are the ones I know about (these links are in our links section too):

http://www.talkinternational.com/directories/dentists-global.html

http://www.healthy.net/asp/Associations/assocsearch.asp?AssocId=18

http://dentalwellness4u.com/freeservices/find_dentists.html

Patty

>> Hi Patty,> > I enjoyed your story about the root canal and the connection to your> knees. Interesting. I have one root canal and 3 crowns that have metal> in them. I have no health insurance right now. Would health insurance> cover a holistic dentist anyway or do you have to pay cash? Would it> be expensive and how would I find a holistic dentist in the San Diego> area?> Thanks,> Joanne>

October 5, 2010

Thank you, Ethel.

On Oct 5, 2010, at 10:21 AM, Ethel Snooks wrote:

> In order to reach full remission for these inflammatory rheumatic

> diseases, it is necessary when using Dr. Brown's protocol to look

> for infection in the body other than just in the joints, and treat

> it at the same time. Root canals are just one place where infection

> can be found.

>

> For years we've cautioned this group not to have root canals, and if

> you already have them to consider the fact they may be the cause of

> your problem. I have several emails in my files from people who had

> marked improvement in their rheumatic disease after having their

> teeth with root canals removed. A friend of mine who is a dental

> surgeon told me of a case where he pulled a man's tooth with a root

> canal and his rheumatoid arthritis disappeared almost immediately!

> Be aware, many times you can have an infection from bacteria in a

> root canal and NOT be aware of it because it has gone systemic.

>

> http://www.tldp.com/issue/157-8/157rootc.htm

>

> Ethel

>

October 5, 2010

Does this group offer a list of smart dentists who make this

connection with teeth and RA?