Re: Selling Out?

[Guest guest]

I think the diet culture is so ingrained in our psyches it's hard not to

automatically go back to diet mode talk. I do it too. I think it's just good to

observe non judgmentally and maybe not indulge in the diet talk anymore. I'm

finding it annoying how I go onto the running forum I sued to post on and find

lots and lots of diet talk, wanting to lose weight, calories, exercising to lose

weight...I think to myself, maybe their bodies don't want to lose any more

weight and that's why exercising isn't and dieting isn't working and that they

should just run for fun, because it feels good. It makes so much sense to me

now. Maybe when you hear diet talk you can mention positive things about eating?

Anyway, I hope your week is going well so far!

J

>

> Regularly I find myself getting very angry or annoyed when I read or witness

> typical " diet " rhetoric in the world, e.g. women joking about being " bad "

> when eating a food considered unhealthy, people using the describer " fat, "

> etc. But, recently I've noticed myself buying in to this when speaking with

> other people. For example, today I was joking with a girl in our office's

> fitness room, which is usually doesn't get much use but was especially busy

> today, about how everyone must have had a very " indulgent " weekend. I will

> sometimes say similar things that I find objectionable, and wonder why I do

> this. I can only imagine it's a way to " fit in, " to buy in to the methods we

> all use to communicate with one another. But I can't help but feel like a

> sell out whenever I catch myself doing this. Have any of you noticed

> yourselves doing things like thisr?

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Joy, that's a really good perspective for me to try and think about! 

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jenna, I appreciated both those posts very much. I especially your response to a comment about this cultural food study. It helped remind me that deriving PLEASURE and SATISFACTION from food is so key for me in being successful with IE, and also how just b/c something is common in our culture doesn't make it right. I'll re-post it here for everybody:

A few years ago, Rozin, a University of Pennsylvania psychologist, and Claude Fischler, a French sociologist, began collaborating on a series of cross-cultural surveys of food attitudes. They found that of the four populations surveyed (the U.S., France, Flemish Belgium and Japan), Americans associated food with health the most and pleasure the least. Asked what comes to mind upon hearing the phrase “chocolate cake,” Americans were more apt to say “guilt,” while the French said “celebration”; “heavy cream” elicited “unhealthy” from Americans, “whipped” from the French. The researchers found that Americans worry more about food and derive less pleasure from eating than people in any other nation they surveyed.

There is even more interesting bits about this study here:

http://michaelpollan.com/artic...

 

oh... and this one... I think is pretty relevant too http://www.axisoffat.com/2011/01/friends-and-sundry.html

To: IntuitiveEating_Support

Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 2:29:20 PMSubject: Re: Selling Out?

Casey, Yes, I think this is a very typical reaction once you have gotten off the diet treadmill, it feels like you have taken the " blue pill " and everyone is still asleep. Its crazy making for sure. I blogged about this on  my blog, feel free to catch up on my experience and the comments I think you will find them relevant.

http://www.axisoffat.com/2010/10/note-to-women-please-think-about-something-other-than-dieting-to-talk-about.html

To: Intuitive Eating Group <IntuitiveEating_Support >

Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 12:32:11 PMSubject: Selling Out?

 

Regularly I find myself getting very angry or annoyed when I read or witness typical " diet " rhetoric in the world, e.g. women joking about being " bad " when eating a food considered unhealthy, people using the describer " fat, " etc. But, recently I've noticed myself buying in to this when speaking with other people. For example, today I was joking with a girl in our office's fitness room, which is usually doesn't get much use but was especially busy today, about how everyone must have had a very " indulgent " weekend. I will sometimes say similar things that I find objectionable, and wonder why I do this. I can only imagine it's a way to " fit in, " to buy in to the methods we all use to communicate with one another. But I can't help but feel like a sell out whenever I catch myself doing this. Have any of you noticed yourselves doing things like thisr?

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jenna, I appreciated both those posts very much. I especially your response to a comment about this cultural food study. It helped remind me that deriving PLEASURE and SATISFACTION from food is so key for me in being successful with IE, and also how just b/c something is common in our culture doesn't make it right. I'll re-post it here for everybody:

A few years ago, Rozin, a University of Pennsylvania psychologist, and Claude Fischler, a French sociologist, began collaborating on a series of cross-cultural surveys of food attitudes. They found that of the four populations surveyed (the U.S., France, Flemish Belgium and Japan), Americans associated food with health the most and pleasure the least. Asked what comes to mind upon hearing the phrase “chocolate cake,” Americans were more apt to say “guilt,” while the French said “celebration”; “heavy cream” elicited “unhealthy” from Americans, “whipped” from the French. The researchers found that Americans worry more about food and derive less pleasure from eating than people in any other nation they surveyed.

There is even more interesting bits about this study here:

http://michaelpollan.com/artic...

 

oh... and this one... I think is pretty relevant too http://www.axisoffat.com/2011/01/friends-and-sundry.html

To: IntuitiveEating_Support

Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 2:29:20 PMSubject: Re: Selling Out?

Casey, Yes, I think this is a very typical reaction once you have gotten off the diet treadmill, it feels like you have taken the " blue pill " and everyone is still asleep. Its crazy making for sure. I blogged about this on  my blog, feel free to catch up on my experience and the comments I think you will find them relevant.

http://www.axisoffat.com/2010/10/note-to-women-please-think-about-something-other-than-dieting-to-talk-about.html

To: Intuitive Eating Group <IntuitiveEating_Support >

Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 12:32:11 PMSubject: Selling Out?

 

Regularly I find myself getting very angry or annoyed when I read or witness typical " diet " rhetoric in the world, e.g. women joking about being " bad " when eating a food considered unhealthy, people using the describer " fat, " etc. But, recently I've noticed myself buying in to this when speaking with other people. For example, today I was joking with a girl in our office's fitness room, which is usually doesn't get much use but was especially busy today, about how everyone must have had a very " indulgent " weekend. I will sometimes say similar things that I find objectionable, and wonder why I do this. I can only imagine it's a way to " fit in, " to buy in to the methods we all use to communicate with one another. But I can't help but feel like a sell out whenever I catch myself doing this. Have any of you noticed yourselves doing things like thisr?

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jenna, I appreciated both those posts very much. I especially your response to a comment about this cultural food study. It helped remind me that deriving PLEASURE and SATISFACTION from food is so key for me in being successful with IE, and also how just b/c something is common in our culture doesn't make it right. I'll re-post it here for everybody:

A few years ago, Rozin, a University of Pennsylvania psychologist, and Claude Fischler, a French sociologist, began collaborating on a series of cross-cultural surveys of food attitudes. They found that of the four populations surveyed (the U.S., France, Flemish Belgium and Japan), Americans associated food with health the most and pleasure the least. Asked what comes to mind upon hearing the phrase “chocolate cake,” Americans were more apt to say “guilt,” while the French said “celebration”; “heavy cream” elicited “unhealthy” from Americans, “whipped” from the French. The researchers found that Americans worry more about food and derive less pleasure from eating than people in any other nation they surveyed.

There is even more interesting bits about this study here:

http://michaelpollan.com/artic...

 

oh... and this one... I think is pretty relevant too http://www.axisoffat.com/2011/01/friends-and-sundry.html

To: IntuitiveEating_Support

Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 2:29:20 PMSubject: Re: Selling Out?

Casey, Yes, I think this is a very typical reaction once you have gotten off the diet treadmill, it feels like you have taken the " blue pill " and everyone is still asleep. Its crazy making for sure. I blogged about this on  my blog, feel free to catch up on my experience and the comments I think you will find them relevant.

http://www.axisoffat.com/2010/10/note-to-women-please-think-about-something-other-than-dieting-to-talk-about.html

To: Intuitive Eating Group <IntuitiveEating_Support >

Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 12:32:11 PMSubject: Selling Out?

 

Regularly I find myself getting very angry or annoyed when I read or witness typical " diet " rhetoric in the world, e.g. women joking about being " bad " when eating a food considered unhealthy, people using the describer " fat, " etc. But, recently I've noticed myself buying in to this when speaking with other people. For example, today I was joking with a girl in our office's fitness room, which is usually doesn't get much use but was especially busy today, about how everyone must have had a very " indulgent " weekend. I will sometimes say similar things that I find objectionable, and wonder why I do this. I can only imagine it's a way to " fit in, " to buy in to the methods we all use to communicate with one another. But I can't help but feel like a sell out whenever I catch myself doing this. Have any of you noticed yourselves doing things like thisr?