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[Guest guest]

Hi Sue,

Please keep me posted on this...I know it gets scary! I can see why

you would be worried. When it comes to the heart, it is always scary.

I talked to my step daughter recently and she mentioned that the

doctors put her on a baby aspirin a day after she had heart issues

after implants. I found it surprising that a baby aspirin is all it took.

How did your doctor appointment go today?

Patty

--- In , " Sue Gibbens " <suegibbens21@...>

wrote:

>

> Hi Dede,

>

> had another episode this morning, a bit later this time though 7am

but still

> sound asleep.

> My first reading and after a couple of Min's of being awake 153/91

pulse 152

> then 134/90 pulse 127 .....; 127/78 pulse 106 ...... last won

so far

> 118/72 pulse 96.

>

> This is getting scary I have never had them this close together, the

funny

> thing was though I kind of had the feeling all day that things

weren't right

> but couldn't put my finger on it.

> I must admit I am worrying all the time about it, its permanently on my

> mind.

> Got Dr's today so Will take my readings with me but I have a feeling

nothing

> will be done....

> Sue.

>

[Guest guest]

I am getting really fed up with this, another fast heart rate episode today 2.10 am!!!!!!!!

It settles down after I get up but its getting really annoying now.

My first bp test was 181/90 pulse 153, its got to the point I am not happy going to sleep and want to stay up all night.

Grrrrrrh what can I do to stop this?

Sue.

[Guest guest]

Sweetheart, you really worry me, because you are having symptoms in the night. I never have symptoms like this at night; however, I do have severe GI problems that wake me up many times.

Honey, I hope that you will get some answers soon. Would you mind if I take your emails that describe your strange symptoms to the doctors who I am working with each week? They are new to Canada; however, I now have some 1st year students who come to meet with me too. My doctor from Cross Cancer is always close by, and he might be able to figure out what could be causing your severe problems. Please let me know, and you will always be anonymous.

Sending love and hope....always...Lea and

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another episode

I am getting really fed up with this, another fast heart rate episode today 2.10 am!!!!!!!!

It settles down after I get up but its getting really annoying now.

My first bp test was 181/90 pulse 153, its got to the point I am not happy going to sleep and want to stay up all night.

Grrrrrrh what can I do to stop this?

Sue.

[Guest guest]

Dear Lea,

I have no problem with you telling your Dr's, in fact I would like to hear what they have to say.

I am getting pretty fed up with all this to be honest, my Dr is useless and I have to wait to get the monitor.

Thank you for thinking of me,

Love Sue.

On 12/28/08, Lea <devans@...> wrote:

Sweetheart, you really worry me, because you are having symptoms in the night. I never have symptoms like this at night; however, I do have severe GI problems that wake me up many times.

Honey, I hope that you will get some answers soon. Would you mind if I take your emails that describe your strange symptoms to the doctors who I am working with each week? They are new to Canada; however, I now have some 1st year students who come to meet with me too. My doctor from Cross Cancer is always close by, and he might be able to figure out what could be causing your severe problems. Please let me know, and you will always be anonymous.

Sending love and hope....always...Lea and

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another episode

I am getting really fed up with this, another fast heart rate episode today 2.10 am!!!!!!!!

It settles down after I get up but its getting really annoying now.

My first bp test was 181/90 pulse 153, its got to the point I am not happy going to sleep and want to stay up all night.

Grrrrrrh what can I do to stop this?

Sue.

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue,

I hope you read the link I sent you on Facebook regarding the

calcium/magnesium ratios. I thought it was a very good article. In

fact, I will share it with our group, just in case anyone else has any

issues with heart palpitations or heart racing.

http://www.ithyroid.com/ca_and_mg.htm

CALCIUM AND MAGNESIUM

Calcium and magnesium are extremely important minerals that are often

out of balance in persons with thyroid disease. Imbalances of these

minerals can result in very rapid heart rate, low heart rate, and

irregular heart rate. Thyroid function itself is most likely

controlled by the ratio of these minerals.

Most people with thyroid disease find that they have to supplement

calcium and magnesium. Supplementing these minerals in the correct

ratio can make a huge improvement in the symptoms. However,

supplementing them in the wrong ratio can make symptoms worse. To

further complicate the situation, the correct ratio of cal/mag changes

as you recover from thyroid disease.

I have struggled a very long time with finding the right cal/mag ratio

for myself. Well after recovering from hyperthyroidism, swinging back

hypo, and then getting normal again, I had many months of fast,

irregular heart rate that was often initiated by strenuous exercise.

Because magnesium had been an important factor in reducing my heart

rate when I was hyper, I would take a cal/mag supplement in a 1:1

ratio or take 400-800 mgs of magnesium only to correct this problem.

Usually I would have this irregular heart rate throughout the night

but would be recovered by morning.

I experimented with potassium and found that taking 800-1200 mgs of

potassium before my night time basketball often prevented the

irregular heart rate and began thinking that I was potassium

deficient. One time I grabbed an unlabeled baggie that I thought was

potassium and took 6 capsules before playing. I had extreme irregular

heart rate that lasted all night. I later discovered that I had

mistakenly taken magnesium.

This was very strange to me because magnesium had been my savior for

such a long time. Whenever I had high heart rate when I was hyper,

magnesium would slow my heart, usually within 20-30 minutes. So I was

wondering, " Why doesn't it work now? " I began to think that the

manufacturer had made a mistake and there was a problem with the product.

Eventually the answer came in a sudden insight. I was lying awake at

night with my heart beating very irregular and fast. Paying close

attention to my heart, I realized that my heart was not just irregular

and fast, it was beating very weakly. I noted that this was in stark

contrast to the time when I was hyper. Then my heart was beating fast

and irregular, but very strong.

The insight was that it was the strength of my heart beat and not the

speed and irregularity that was the key. I thought back on how calcium

is the mineral that is responsible for the heart contracting and

magnesium is responsible for the heart relaxing.

During hyperthyroidism, magnesium is low and calcium is high. This

imbalance is the result of other mineral imbalances (copper, zinc,

iron, etc.), but the effects on the heart rate are direct effects of a

calcium/magnesium imbalance. This can be demonstrated by taking a

magnesium supplement or a cal/mag supplement with much higher

magnesium than the usual 2:1 cal/mag ratio when your heart rate is

high. This intake of more magnesium will slow the heart rate

temporarily. However, as we have seen, the body can't maintain normal

magnesium levels in the blood if copper is low. So until copper is

replenished, extra magnesium is needed on a constant basis to control

the rapid heart rate.

The key to understanding the effects of calcium and magnesium on the

heart is this: Calcium is needed for muscles to contract and magnesium

is needed for muscles to relax. The heart muscles are like all

muscles. Calcium causes heart contraction; magnesium causes heart

relaxation.

If magnesium is low, as during hyperthyroidism, and calcium is

adequate, the heart contracts normally but the relaxation phase is

shortened and incomplete. If the normal heart contracts for .5 seconds

and relaxes for .5 seconds, we have a 1.0 second cycle which

translates into a 60 beats per minute heart rate. If magnesium is low

and the relaxation phase is shortened to .25 seconds, then the

complete cycle is .75 seconds, which translates to a 80 beats per

minute heart rate (60 seconds divided by .75 seconds). As you can see,

as magnesium gets more depleted, the relaxation phase shortens and the

heart rate increases.

When I was experiencing the irregular heart rate, what was happening

was that it was calcium that was low and not magnesium. When calcium

is low, the contraction phase is shortened while the relaxation phase

remains normal. If the contraction phase shortens to .25 seconds and

the relaxation phase stays at .5 seconds, the heart rate also

increases to 80 beats per minute. If you just looked at the increase

in rate, you might, as I did, think that magnesium was deficient.

The key to the insight that it was calcium that was deficient was the

observation that the heart rate was weak. A weak heart rate means that

calcium is deficient and the contraction phase is weak and short. This

results in an increase in heart rate and also an irregular heart rate

because some contractions are missed entirely. Contrast this to a

magnesium deficiency where the heart rate is irregular because some of

the relaxations are missed.

Once I reached this insight, it all became so simple. I was amazed

that I had continued to make the same mistake over and over again. The

key mental block for me was that I thought that magnesium always

slowed and regulated the heart rate. Once I thought through the whole

process of how calcium and magnesium affect the heart, I realized that

a calcium deficiency can also lead to a fast and irregular heart rate.

With this new insight, I switched my cal/mag ratio to 2:1. I had been

mixing a 1:1 ratio supplement with a 2:1 supplement which resulted in

a ratio of about 3:2. However with the addition of extra magnesium or

extra 1:1 cal/mag after basketball, I probably had about a 1:1 overall

ratio.

Once I switched to a 2:1 ratio, the heart irregularity completely

disappeared and hasn't occurred in months. I found that the cal/mag

ratio is the key. However along the way to this discovery I ran across

some other interesting information.

As I was struggling through this irregular heart rate problem, I found

that two things often helped the situation: potassium and vitamin B-5.

Potassium often helped and I think the reason for this is that

potassium and magnesium are antagonistic minerals. Since I was

essentially suffering from too much magnesium (or too little calcium),

the potassium helped because it reduced the metabolic effect of the

magnesium (or assisted the metabolism of calcium). I think this is

important, particularly for persons with hypothyroidism, because they

need a higher calcium to magnesium ratio. A potassium deficiency could

prevent the cells from getting enough calcium which is an activator in

the cellular response to thyroid hormone.

The other discovery was that vitamin B-5 is important in preventing

irregular heart rate. If B-5 gets deficient, it seems to have an

effect on the calcium/magnesium metabolism so that calcium doesn't

work as well. A B-5 deficiency has similar effects to a calcium

deficiency. I don't know why this happens, but I now realize that it's

important when supplementing B complex vitamins to always make sure

that you are taking as much B-5 as any of the other B vitamins. For

example, if you are supplementing with high amounts of niacin (for

headaches or other reasons), be aware that you will need to increase

B-5 to the same amount or a little greater to prevent a disturbance of

the cal/mag ratio which could result in irregular heart rate.

One other discovery in all this was that by not taking enough calcium

and taking too much magnesium, another of my teeth died. I developed

an extreme tooth ache which led to another root canal. For dental and

bone health, don't maintain a high magnesium/calcium ratio past the

point where you need it.

Remember that balancing calcium and magnesium won't correct thyroid

problems. You'll need to correct the other minerals like copper, zinc,

iron, selenium, chromium, manganese, etc. to achieve this. Calcium and

magnesium get out of balance because of these other nutritional

problems. However, getting your calcium/magnesium balance corrected is

essential for normalizing heart rate, preventing dental decay and

osteoporosis, and preventing muscle cramps (too little magnesium).

In summary, to balance calcium and magnesium keep these points in

mind: a normal person need a cal/mag ratio of about 2:1; a hyper needs

more magnesium and a hypo needs more calcium, but these ratios need to

be constantly adjusted as you approach normality; irregular heart rate

can be a sign of either too little calcium or too little magnesium;

the key to knowing whether you need calcium or magnesium is the

strength of the heart beat, not the speed or the irregularity--if it's

too strong, take more magnesium and if it's too weak, take more calcium.

Patty

> >

> > Sweetheart, you really worry me, because you are having

symptoms in the

> > night. I never have symptoms like this at night; however, I do

have severe

> > GI problems that wake me up many times.

> >

> > Honey, I hope that you will get some answers soon. Would you mind

if I take

> > your emails that describe your strange symptoms to the doctors who

I am

> > working with each week? They are new to Canada; however, I now

have some 1st

> > year students who come to meet with me too. My doctor from Cross

Cancer is

> > always close by, and he might be able to figure out what could be

causing

> > your severe problems. Please let me know, and you will always be

anonymous.

> >

> > Sending love and hope....always...Lea and

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~````````

> >

> > * another episode

> >

> >

> >

> > I am getting really fed up with this, another fast heart rate

episode today

> > 2.10 am!!!!!!!!

> >

> > It settles down after I get up but its getting really annoying now.

> > My first bp test was 181/90 pulse 153, its got to the point I am

not happy

> > going to sleep and want to stay up all night.

> >

> > Grrrrrrh what can I do to stop this?

> >

> > Sue.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I have the same thing, but found out my hormones are crazy due to

perimenopause. I have many menopausal symptoms, but the heart racing

is absolutely the worst. Tried for a year to go the " natural route " ,

but have recently started birth control pills and atenolol for the

heart palps. If you are around the age of the " change " , it does not

have to be related to your implants at all. Look into it.

I am getting really fed up with this, another fast heart rate episode

today

> 2.10 am!!!!!!!!

>

> It settles down after I get up but its getting really annoying now.

> My first bp test was 181/90 pulse 153, its got to the point I am

not happy

> going to sleep and want to stay up all night.

>

> Grrrrrrh what can I do to stop this?

>

> Sue.

>

[Guest guest]

Hello, I just wanted to chime in on the hormone thing.....here is another bit of info to ponder......it is off of the FDA site

http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/ost/reports/fy98/IMMUNOTOX.HTM IMMUNOTOXICOLOGY/TOXICOLOGY

below is only part of it......... although I would read the whole thing.

I also have numerous articles about how silicone interacts with the human body.

All breast implants are made of silicone, just filled with different things. All implants degrade and fleck off particles and your body uses its macrophages to carry them off to other places.....its a immune response.......

It is highly common for implanted people to have hormone problems due to the entire endocrin system being disrupted by the chemicals that go into the making of it.

Endocrine Disruption by Medical Device Materials

Key words: estrogen disruption, uterotrophic assay, heat shock proteins, bisphenol A

CDRH is concerned with the potential for certain medical device materials to mimic or interfere with endogenous hormone actions. Because the hormone estrogen is a potent molecule having profound effects at remarkably low doses, assays are needed to assess the potential for harm from materials that may induce unwanted effects due to interference with normal estrogen homeostasis. OST scientists are collaborating with researchers at the Department of Biology, Washington University, on projects focused on improving the use of a key biomarker of exposure to estrogenic compounds and determining the characteristics of the estrogenic activity of bisphenol A, a plasticizer found in some medical devices.

OST scientists are modifying and enhancing the traditional assay for estrogenic effects. The traditional assay utilizes the ability of estrogen to cause a hypertrophy of the uterus in ovariectomized or immature female mice. The purpose of these modifications is to provide mechanistic information that will reduce the number of uncertainties in assessing risk from exposure to estrogenic materials. OST scientists are developing an assay that promises to do just that: obtain mechanistic information while examining estrogenic responses in the whole animal. This is accomplished by a side-by-side comparison of the traditional uterotrophic assay and a specific cellular event, the induction of stress proteins, that occurs when estrogen or estrogen-mimicking materials bind to its specific cellular receptor.

and another paragraph:

The three endpoints (uterine hypertrophy, histology, and stress protein expression, were used to examine the estrogenic response of the plasticizer bisphenol A. Bisphenol A was determined to be less estrogenic that estradiol (by more than 1000-fold), but caused similar effects. Histological changes in the uterine epithelia were observed at doses 40-fold lower than doses that caused uterine swelling. Although responses were variable, heat shock protein induction was also more sensitive than the uterotrophic response.

Silicone used in the manufacture of breast implants have some 40 known neurotoxic chemicals. Two that they use are epoxy and epoxy resin, and both of those are made with Bisphenol A

and further down the article:

Wear and corrosion of implanted medical devices, such as dental and orthopedic prostheses,( and breast implants which they left out, but slipped in silica as one of the chemicals ) may produce particulate debris which may lead to acute and chronic inflammatory responses in the host. In addition, polymeric particles, such as polytetrafluoroethylene (PTFE), may be injected directly into the patients for clinical indications. When particulates are present, the host monocytes/macrophages are activated and they synthesize or secrete mediators of inflammation, and phagocytize particles. In order to understand the mechanisms underlying the host immune response to particulates and device-associated infections, OST scientists have focused their studies on the impact of these particulates on macrophage function. Macrophages play a pivotal role in the body’s response to foreign bodies and they also interact with other cellular components in the immune system. OST developed an in vitro assay using established murine macrophages. This assay system was incorporated into an ASTM standard on the Biological Responses to Particles (F04.16.01). The inflammatory potential of particles prepared from medical device materials, such as PTFE, titanium oxide, hydroxyapatite (HA), polymethylmethacrylate (PMMA), SiO2 and fumed silica, polystyrene (PS), CdCl2, CdO, Al2O3 , and diamond particle was studied.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Jeanne,

When you say you went the " natural route " what did you do?

Bio-identical hormones are on the cutting edge right now....I've used

bio-identical estrogen cream (triple estrogens) and progesterone cream

and it's been a great help! If you do research, you'll find that the

synthetic hormones have lots of problems associated with them.

Heart palps can be related to thyroid issues and low minerals,

especially calcium and magnesium.

I had palps because I ended up with Hashimoto's from my implants. I

take Armour thyroid now and haven't had palps in years!

No drugs for me!

Best wishes to you,

Patty

> >

> > I have the same thing, but found out my hormones are crazy due to

> perimenopause. I have many menopausal symptoms, but the heart racing

> is absolutely the worst. Tried for a year to go the " natural route " ,

> but have recently started birth control pills and atenolol for the

> heart palps. If you are around the age of the " change " , it does not

> have to be related to your implants at all. Look into it.

>

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> I am getting really fed up with this, another fast heart rate episode

> today

> > 2.10 am!!!!!!!!

> >

> > It settles down after I get up but its getting really annoying now.

> > My first bp test was 181/90 pulse 153, its got to the point I am

> not happy

> > going to sleep and want to stay up all night.

> >

> > Grrrrrrh what can I do to stop this?

> >

> > Sue.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > I have the same thing, but found out my hormones are crazy due

to

> > perimenopause. I have many menopausal symptoms, but the heart

racing

> > is absolutely the worst. Tried for a year to go the " natural

route " ,

> > but have recently started birth control pills and atenolol for

the

> > heart palps. If you are around the age of the " change " , it does

not

> > have to be related to your implants at all. Look into it.

> >

> >

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> >

> >

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> >

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> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I am getting really fed up with this, another fast heart rate

episode

> > today

> > > 2.10 am!!!!!!!!

> > >

> > > It settles down after I get up but its getting really annoying

now.

> > > My first bp test was 181/90 pulse 153, its got to the point I

am

> > not happy

> > > going to sleep and want to stay up all night.

> > >

> > > Grrrrrrh what can I do to stop this?

> > >

> > > Sue.

> > >

> >

>