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Josie,

How I identify with you! Since I am new to IE I don't have any answers for you.

But it is comforting to know that there are others going through what I am and

that I am not crazy, or alone. I trust that if we continue, day by day, to do

the best we can, we WILL get to the other side.

Be kind to yourself,

Virginia

>

> So here is something I'm struggling with tonight.

>

> I know that discipline is something we criticize ourselves for not being when

we cannot stick to diets, but it seems to me that it also takes discipline to do

IE. For example, it takes discipline to stop and figure out if you're hungry,

rather than just snarfing down whatever is in front of you. It takes discipline

to try to figure out what emotion you're stuffing down by eating. It takes

discipline to pause and push the plate away when you've had enough.

>

> I feel, this week, like I am having a resistance to really working the IE

steps. I came home from work today (and it was a busy day, but not a

particularly frustrating day) and found myself eating way more than I should

have when I was not at all hungry. Starting with pita chips, then chocolate

chip cookies and soda, then some leftover goulash from last night's dinner. Now

I am uncomfortably full. And alll the while, I knew I wasn't hungry, that I

needed to stop and figure out what it was all about. That if I was just needing

a break after a busy day, I should sit down and relax instead of heading

straight for the food. But I had zero desire to actually do those things I know

I should have done. Today I am feeling just as undisciplined at IE as I've

always been on diets. If I can't get myself to work the steps, how will I ever

get to where I want to be? How do you make yourself take that pause and figure

stuff out when you just don't want to?

>

> Josie

> New post up @ www.artofintuitiveliving.blogspot.com

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I'm glad you mentioned that panicky feeling when clothes are too tight. Sometimes I will avoid trying on a pair of pants I haven't worn for a while (even if it's only been a couple of weeks) because I can't face the feelings I'll experience if they're too tight.

Rhonda

From: Oceanlady65

Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 1:28 AM

To: IntuitiveEating_Support

Subject: Re: Discipline and IE

Hi Josie,I struggle with feeling like IE is another diet also at times, but then I remember that I've been a compulsive eater for a long time and IE is actually re-training myself to eat normally and help with my bad habits. It is also about learning to listen to what my body is saying. I think after a while all this should come automatically and it won't feel like steps in a diet anymore but because I've abused food and developed habits, I have to break them somehow and I guess it's gonna feel a little diety for a bit. All in all, I feel IE is a pleasant experience, especially compared to tracking and restricting everything I eat. Today was not so good though. I put on a pair of my jeans and they were considerably tighter than usual. I haven't weighed myself for a couple months so I'm a little panicky about how much weight I've packed on and now questioning if I've really been stopping when I'm full. It's scary not knowing how much I weigh, but at the same time those numbers really play with my mind. But so do tight jeans! Ugh. I keep telling myself things will even out eventually as long as I eat when hungry, stop when full... but then I wonder now if I'm cheating somehow, like on a diet... since my jeans are getting tighter! lol Boy, I must really be messed up! This too shall pass (I hope)

From: josiesjunkmail <josiesjunkmail>To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 9:08:00 PMSubject: Discipline and IE

So here is something I'm struggling with tonight.I know that discipline is something we criticize ourselves for not being when we cannot stick to diets, but it seems to me that it also takes discipline to do IE. For example, it takes discipline to stop and figure out if you're hungry, rather than just snarfing down whatever is in front of you. It takes discipline to try to figure out what emotion you're stuffing down by eating. It takes discipline to pause and push the plate away when you've had enough.I feel, this week, like I am having a resistance to really working the IE steps. I came home from work today (and it was a busy day, but not a particularly frustrating day) and found myself eating way more than I should have when I was not at all hungry. Starting with pita chips, then chocolate chip cookies and soda, then some leftover goulash from last night's dinner. Now I am uncomfortably full. And alll the while, I knew I wasn't hungry, that I needed to stop and figure out what it was all about. That if I was just needing a break after a busy day, I should sit down and relax instead of heading straight for the food. But I had zero desire to actually do those things I know I should have done. Today I am feeling just as undisciplined at IE as I've always been on diets. If I can't get myself to work the steps, how will I ever get to where I want to be? How do you make yourself take that pause and figure stuff out when you just don't want to?JosieNew post up @ www.artofintuitiveliving.blogspot.com

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I'm glad you mentioned that panicky feeling when clothes are too tight. Sometimes I will avoid trying on a pair of pants I haven't worn for a while (even if it's only been a couple of weeks) because I can't face the feelings I'll experience if they're too tight.

Rhonda

From: Oceanlady65

Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 1:28 AM

To: IntuitiveEating_Support

Subject: Re: Discipline and IE

Hi Josie,I struggle with feeling like IE is another diet also at times, but then I remember that I've been a compulsive eater for a long time and IE is actually re-training myself to eat normally and help with my bad habits. It is also about learning to listen to what my body is saying. I think after a while all this should come automatically and it won't feel like steps in a diet anymore but because I've abused food and developed habits, I have to break them somehow and I guess it's gonna feel a little diety for a bit. All in all, I feel IE is a pleasant experience, especially compared to tracking and restricting everything I eat. Today was not so good though. I put on a pair of my jeans and they were considerably tighter than usual. I haven't weighed myself for a couple months so I'm a little panicky about how much weight I've packed on and now questioning if I've really been stopping when I'm full. It's scary not knowing how much I weigh, but at the same time those numbers really play with my mind. But so do tight jeans! Ugh. I keep telling myself things will even out eventually as long as I eat when hungry, stop when full... but then I wonder now if I'm cheating somehow, like on a diet... since my jeans are getting tighter! lol Boy, I must really be messed up! This too shall pass (I hope)

From: josiesjunkmail <josiesjunkmail>To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 9:08:00 PMSubject: Discipline and IE

So here is something I'm struggling with tonight.I know that discipline is something we criticize ourselves for not being when we cannot stick to diets, but it seems to me that it also takes discipline to do IE. For example, it takes discipline to stop and figure out if you're hungry, rather than just snarfing down whatever is in front of you. It takes discipline to try to figure out what emotion you're stuffing down by eating. It takes discipline to pause and push the plate away when you've had enough.I feel, this week, like I am having a resistance to really working the IE steps. I came home from work today (and it was a busy day, but not a particularly frustrating day) and found myself eating way more than I should have when I was not at all hungry. Starting with pita chips, then chocolate chip cookies and soda, then some leftover goulash from last night's dinner. Now I am uncomfortably full. And alll the while, I knew I wasn't hungry, that I needed to stop and figure out what it was all about. That if I was just needing a break after a busy day, I should sit down and relax instead of heading straight for the food. But I had zero desire to actually do those things I know I should have done. Today I am feeling just as undisciplined at IE as I've always been on diets. If I can't get myself to work the steps, how will I ever get to where I want to be? How do you make yourself take that pause and figure stuff out when you just don't want to?JosieNew post up @ www.artofintuitiveliving.blogspot.com

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Hey Josie,

I was actually thinking about this yesterday myself, so I thought I'd just put

in my two cents.

First of all, from my experience with IE so far, it is important to remember

that IE expects you to have ups and downs. I've been working on all of this

since October, and I can honestly say that I have had big binges as well as

times when I've felt disinterested in overeating. I've also had periods where I

hardly thought about the IE process and just needed a break from it. I really

have spent much of the time concentrating more on not dieting/not feeling

guilty/not restricting than being an intuitive eater. Lately I've been moving

more into concentrating on the intuitive eating aspect of the process (ie eating

when hungry, stopping when full) but it took me a while to be comfortable being

where I am right now.

I think that the best attitude that you can take towards binging or towards

feeling out of control or distracted from the process is to forgive yourself for

it. Learning to do this has been very powerful for me and is allowing me to

focus on some issues I have besides my weight. When I'm busy beating myself up,

I don't have time to think about what's really wrong. As well, I think one of

the things that I like the most about IE is that even if you binge you are still

" on " it, still participating in the process. With dieting, the second you binge

the tendency is to feel like you've failed and almost might as well give up. So

since you're not on a diet try to relax. And it's okay to feel out of control or

unfocused. It doesn't mean you will fail at IE.

Finally, I don't think that being disciplined necessarily means being rigid or

never giving yourself a break. I think that it means taking a positive view

towards a task, and then figuring out how much you can push yourself and when

you need to relax about getting it done. For example, I have a pretty good

attitude towards exercise and do it regularly. However, I used to have a very

hard time getting myself to exercise. It wasn't until I started focusing on the

positive - how good it made me feel - that I was able to do it more

consistently. And at the beginning I made a distinct effort not to push myself

too hard. I think there is a tendency to view discipline as the ability to force

yourself to do things you don't like, but I think it's actually more learning to

set reasonable goals and work towards them to the best of your ability without

giving up.

Hope that is helpful. Sorry for the novel-length response. I seem to be into

those lately.

Meg

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Hey Josie,

I was actually thinking about this yesterday myself, so I thought I'd just put

in my two cents.

First of all, from my experience with IE so far, it is important to remember

that IE expects you to have ups and downs. I've been working on all of this

since October, and I can honestly say that I have had big binges as well as

times when I've felt disinterested in overeating. I've also had periods where I

hardly thought about the IE process and just needed a break from it. I really

have spent much of the time concentrating more on not dieting/not feeling

guilty/not restricting than being an intuitive eater. Lately I've been moving

more into concentrating on the intuitive eating aspect of the process (ie eating

when hungry, stopping when full) but it took me a while to be comfortable being

where I am right now.

I think that the best attitude that you can take towards binging or towards

feeling out of control or distracted from the process is to forgive yourself for

it. Learning to do this has been very powerful for me and is allowing me to

focus on some issues I have besides my weight. When I'm busy beating myself up,

I don't have time to think about what's really wrong. As well, I think one of

the things that I like the most about IE is that even if you binge you are still

" on " it, still participating in the process. With dieting, the second you binge

the tendency is to feel like you've failed and almost might as well give up. So

since you're not on a diet try to relax. And it's okay to feel out of control or

unfocused. It doesn't mean you will fail at IE.

Finally, I don't think that being disciplined necessarily means being rigid or

never giving yourself a break. I think that it means taking a positive view

towards a task, and then figuring out how much you can push yourself and when

you need to relax about getting it done. For example, I have a pretty good

attitude towards exercise and do it regularly. However, I used to have a very

hard time getting myself to exercise. It wasn't until I started focusing on the

positive - how good it made me feel - that I was able to do it more

consistently. And at the beginning I made a distinct effort not to push myself

too hard. I think there is a tendency to view discipline as the ability to force

yourself to do things you don't like, but I think it's actually more learning to

set reasonable goals and work towards them to the best of your ability without

giving up.

Hope that is helpful. Sorry for the novel-length response. I seem to be into

those lately.

Meg

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Hi Rhonda... It is very hard to deal with. I've been doing really well with IE for 2 months now, except another time in the beginning when I weighed myself and I was up 5 pounds... that is when I quit weighing myself because I hate the ups and downs associated with 'the number'. My clothes have fit about the same or maybe even a little looser up until now and with how tight those jeans were, I'm doubting it was all water retention or bloating from my period. I initially lost 80 pounds doing WW and was 20 pounds away from my goal about 2 years ago. I never could lose the 20 pounds, then put 20 back on, then went to IE because WW was not working anymore... they keep cutting points to where it seems like you get nothing to eat!! lol. It took a lot of hard work to drop

that weight and I am so afraid of putting the rest of it back on and not being able to lose it again. So I have all these feelings I'm trying to sort out and figure out what to do next. Am I using IE as an excuse to overeat (since my jeans are tight, I've probably gained and that means I've been overeating). Maybe because I've been an overeater all my life, I need to discipline myself with a diet because that is the only way to control myself. If I keep accepting myself even when I'm gaining... how big will I get??? Am I out of control? I also worry because when I tried IE before the WW, I packed on weight. I believe the reason is because I really wasn't IE'ing, but I am really not sure... so it is really scary for me.But hopefully this is just a bump in the road that I'll get over without putting all my weight back on.Sorry for all the negative rambling... I'm working on it..

just not there yet.To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wed, August 11, 2010 3:02:10 AMSubject: Re: Discipline and IE

,

I'm glad you mentioned that panicky feeling when clothes are too tight. Sometimes I will avoid trying on a pair of pants I haven't worn for a while (even if it's only been a couple of weeks) because I can't face the feelings I'll experience if they're too tight.

Rhonda

From: Oceanlady65

Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 1:28 AM

To: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.com

Subject: Re: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Discipline and IE

Hi Josie,I struggle with feeling like IE is another diet also at times, but then I remember that I've been a compulsive eater for a long time and IE is actually re-training myself to eat normally and help with my bad habits. It is also about learning to listen to what my body is saying. I think after a while all this should come automatically and it won't feel like steps in a diet anymore but because I've abused food and developed habits, I have to break them somehow and I guess it's gonna feel a little diety for a bit. All in all, I feel IE is a pleasant experience, especially compared to tracking and restricting everything I eat. Today was not so good though. I put on a pair of my jeans and they were considerably tighter than usual. I haven't weighed myself for a couple months so I'm a little panicky about how much weight I've packed on and now questioning if I've really been stopping when I'm full. It's scary not knowing how much I weigh, but at the same time those numbers really play with my mind. But so do tight jeans! Ugh. I keep telling myself things will even out eventually as long as I eat when hungry, stop when full... but then I wonder now if I'm cheating somehow, like on a diet... since my jeans are getting tighter! lol Boy, I must really be messed up! This too shall pass (I hope)

From: josiesjunkmail <josiesjunkmail@ yahoo.com>To: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.comSent: Tue, August 10, 2010 9:08:00 PMSubject: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Discipline and IE

So here is something I'm struggling with tonight.I know that discipline is something we criticize ourselves for not being when we cannot stick to diets, but it seems to me that it also takes discipline to do IE. For example, it takes discipline to stop and figure out if you're hungry, rather than just snarfing down whatever is in front of you. It takes discipline to try to figure out what emotion you're stuffing down by eating. It takes discipline to pause and push the plate away when you've had enough.I feel, this week, like I am having a resistance to really working the IE steps. I came home from work today (and it was a busy day, but not a particularly frustrating day) and found myself eating way more than I should have when I was not at all hungry. Starting with pita chips, then chocolate chip cookies and soda, then some leftover goulash from last night's dinner. Now I am uncomfortably full. And alll the while, I knew I wasn't hungry, that I needed to stop and figure out what it was all about. That if I was just needing a break after a busy day, I should sit down and relax instead of heading straight for the food. But I had zero desire to actually do those things I know I should have done. Today I am feeling just as undisciplined at IE as I've always been on diets. If I can't get myself to work the steps, how will I ever get to where I want to be? How do you make yourself take that pause and figure stuff out when you just don't want to?JosieNew post up @ www.artofintuitivel iving.blogspot. com

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Hi Rhonda... It is very hard to deal with. I've been doing really well with IE for 2 months now, except another time in the beginning when I weighed myself and I was up 5 pounds... that is when I quit weighing myself because I hate the ups and downs associated with 'the number'. My clothes have fit about the same or maybe even a little looser up until now and with how tight those jeans were, I'm doubting it was all water retention or bloating from my period. I initially lost 80 pounds doing WW and was 20 pounds away from my goal about 2 years ago. I never could lose the 20 pounds, then put 20 back on, then went to IE because WW was not working anymore... they keep cutting points to where it seems like you get nothing to eat!! lol. It took a lot of hard work to drop

that weight and I am so afraid of putting the rest of it back on and not being able to lose it again. So I have all these feelings I'm trying to sort out and figure out what to do next. Am I using IE as an excuse to overeat (since my jeans are tight, I've probably gained and that means I've been overeating). Maybe because I've been an overeater all my life, I need to discipline myself with a diet because that is the only way to control myself. If I keep accepting myself even when I'm gaining... how big will I get??? Am I out of control? I also worry because when I tried IE before the WW, I packed on weight. I believe the reason is because I really wasn't IE'ing, but I am really not sure... so it is really scary for me.But hopefully this is just a bump in the road that I'll get over without putting all my weight back on.Sorry for all the negative rambling... I'm working on it..

just not there yet.To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wed, August 11, 2010 3:02:10 AMSubject: Re: Discipline and IE

,

I'm glad you mentioned that panicky feeling when clothes are too tight. Sometimes I will avoid trying on a pair of pants I haven't worn for a while (even if it's only been a couple of weeks) because I can't face the feelings I'll experience if they're too tight.

Rhonda

From: Oceanlady65

Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 1:28 AM

To: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.com

Subject: Re: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Discipline and IE

Hi Josie,I struggle with feeling like IE is another diet also at times, but then I remember that I've been a compulsive eater for a long time and IE is actually re-training myself to eat normally and help with my bad habits. It is also about learning to listen to what my body is saying. I think after a while all this should come automatically and it won't feel like steps in a diet anymore but because I've abused food and developed habits, I have to break them somehow and I guess it's gonna feel a little diety for a bit. All in all, I feel IE is a pleasant experience, especially compared to tracking and restricting everything I eat. Today was not so good though. I put on a pair of my jeans and they were considerably tighter than usual. I haven't weighed myself for a couple months so I'm a little panicky about how much weight I've packed on and now questioning if I've really been stopping when I'm full. It's scary not knowing how much I weigh, but at the same time those numbers really play with my mind. But so do tight jeans! Ugh. I keep telling myself things will even out eventually as long as I eat when hungry, stop when full... but then I wonder now if I'm cheating somehow, like on a diet... since my jeans are getting tighter! lol Boy, I must really be messed up! This too shall pass (I hope)

From: josiesjunkmail <josiesjunkmail@ yahoo.com>To: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.comSent: Tue, August 10, 2010 9:08:00 PMSubject: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Discipline and IE

So here is something I'm struggling with tonight.I know that discipline is something we criticize ourselves for not being when we cannot stick to diets, but it seems to me that it also takes discipline to do IE. For example, it takes discipline to stop and figure out if you're hungry, rather than just snarfing down whatever is in front of you. It takes discipline to try to figure out what emotion you're stuffing down by eating. It takes discipline to pause and push the plate away when you've had enough.I feel, this week, like I am having a resistance to really working the IE steps. I came home from work today (and it was a busy day, but not a particularly frustrating day) and found myself eating way more than I should have when I was not at all hungry. Starting with pita chips, then chocolate chip cookies and soda, then some leftover goulash from last night's dinner. Now I am uncomfortably full. And alll the while, I knew I wasn't hungry, that I needed to stop and figure out what it was all about. That if I was just needing a break after a busy day, I should sit down and relax instead of heading straight for the food. But I had zero desire to actually do those things I know I should have done. Today I am feeling just as undisciplined at IE as I've always been on diets. If I can't get myself to work the steps, how will I ever get to where I want to be? How do you make yourself take that pause and figure stuff out when you just don't want to?JosieNew post up @ www.artofintuitivel iving.blogspot. com

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Hi Rhonda... It is very hard to deal with. I've been doing really well with IE for 2 months now, except another time in the beginning when I weighed myself and I was up 5 pounds... that is when I quit weighing myself because I hate the ups and downs associated with 'the number'. My clothes have fit about the same or maybe even a little looser up until now and with how tight those jeans were, I'm doubting it was all water retention or bloating from my period. I initially lost 80 pounds doing WW and was 20 pounds away from my goal about 2 years ago. I never could lose the 20 pounds, then put 20 back on, then went to IE because WW was not working anymore... they keep cutting points to where it seems like you get nothing to eat!! lol. It took a lot of hard work to drop

that weight and I am so afraid of putting the rest of it back on and not being able to lose it again. So I have all these feelings I'm trying to sort out and figure out what to do next. Am I using IE as an excuse to overeat (since my jeans are tight, I've probably gained and that means I've been overeating). Maybe because I've been an overeater all my life, I need to discipline myself with a diet because that is the only way to control myself. If I keep accepting myself even when I'm gaining... how big will I get??? Am I out of control? I also worry because when I tried IE before the WW, I packed on weight. I believe the reason is because I really wasn't IE'ing, but I am really not sure... so it is really scary for me.But hopefully this is just a bump in the road that I'll get over without putting all my weight back on.Sorry for all the negative rambling... I'm working on it..

just not there yet.To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wed, August 11, 2010 3:02:10 AMSubject: Re: Discipline and IE

,

I'm glad you mentioned that panicky feeling when clothes are too tight. Sometimes I will avoid trying on a pair of pants I haven't worn for a while (even if it's only been a couple of weeks) because I can't face the feelings I'll experience if they're too tight.

Rhonda

From: Oceanlady65

Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 1:28 AM

To: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.com

Subject: Re: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Discipline and IE

Hi Josie,I struggle with feeling like IE is another diet also at times, but then I remember that I've been a compulsive eater for a long time and IE is actually re-training myself to eat normally and help with my bad habits. It is also about learning to listen to what my body is saying. I think after a while all this should come automatically and it won't feel like steps in a diet anymore but because I've abused food and developed habits, I have to break them somehow and I guess it's gonna feel a little diety for a bit. All in all, I feel IE is a pleasant experience, especially compared to tracking and restricting everything I eat. Today was not so good though. I put on a pair of my jeans and they were considerably tighter than usual. I haven't weighed myself for a couple months so I'm a little panicky about how much weight I've packed on and now questioning if I've really been stopping when I'm full. It's scary not knowing how much I weigh, but at the same time those numbers really play with my mind. But so do tight jeans! Ugh. I keep telling myself things will even out eventually as long as I eat when hungry, stop when full... but then I wonder now if I'm cheating somehow, like on a diet... since my jeans are getting tighter! lol Boy, I must really be messed up! This too shall pass (I hope)

From: josiesjunkmail <josiesjunkmail@ yahoo.com>To: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.comSent: Tue, August 10, 2010 9:08:00 PMSubject: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Discipline and IE

So here is something I'm struggling with tonight.I know that discipline is something we criticize ourselves for not being when we cannot stick to diets, but it seems to me that it also takes discipline to do IE. For example, it takes discipline to stop and figure out if you're hungry, rather than just snarfing down whatever is in front of you. It takes discipline to try to figure out what emotion you're stuffing down by eating. It takes discipline to pause and push the plate away when you've had enough.I feel, this week, like I am having a resistance to really working the IE steps. I came home from work today (and it was a busy day, but not a particularly frustrating day) and found myself eating way more than I should have when I was not at all hungry. Starting with pita chips, then chocolate chip cookies and soda, then some leftover goulash from last night's dinner. Now I am uncomfortably full. And alll the while, I knew I wasn't hungry, that I needed to stop and figure out what it was all about. That if I was just needing a break after a busy day, I should sit down and relax instead of heading straight for the food. But I had zero desire to actually do those things I know I should have done. Today I am feeling just as undisciplined at IE as I've always been on diets. If I can't get myself to work the steps, how will I ever get to where I want to be? How do you make yourself take that pause and figure stuff out when you just don't want to?JosieNew post up @ www.artofintuitivel iving.blogspot. com

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Thank-you Alana... that really helps. I am so glad your clothes are getting looser! Regarding WW... I used to think that was it... the only way to lose weight because it was the only way I lost a good amount of weight. But I now see that it works a little better than other diets only because of all the support. In the end, it's just like every other diet restricting what is eaten and at some point fails because it's impossible to keep depriving yourself.It was a rough couple of days, but today I am in a more positive state of mind. My jeans being uncomfortably tight made me become more aware that maybe I was slipping back into compulsive eating so now I'm looking at it as a fresh start and being more conscious of my eating... savoring and being sure I am eating only when

hungry and stopping when satisfied. Also, I'm trying to be less hard on myself and more accepting. This group really helps with that and many other aspects of IE... thanks to all... love this group!To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Thu, August 12, 2010 12:02:35 PMSubject: Re: Discipline and IE

I too never got to my goal weight with WW. Each time I joined I would lose about 30 pounds but then stop and never get to my goal. And I have heard it from others here. I wonder what percentage of all their members really do achieve their goal weight? The great thing about IE is that WE, OUR BODIES, get to set our own goal weight, not an outside influence telling us what we should weigh.

Just take things one step at a time and stick with IE. It really is great freedom and if it helps to know, I've been doing IE for about 3 years and finally my clothes are getting looser. Went shopping this weekeend at an outlet mall and when I tried on new jeans I kept having to go to a lessor size (yippee). I thought, but wasn't sure if something was happening. I thought my clothes were getting baggier and looser, but I don't step on the scale so I wasn't sure what was happening. IE does work if you stick with it long enough until it becomes second nature and you don't even think about it anymore.

Alana

> I initially lost 80 pounds doing WW and was 20 pounds away from my goal

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Thank-you Alana... that really helps. I am so glad your clothes are getting looser! Regarding WW... I used to think that was it... the only way to lose weight because it was the only way I lost a good amount of weight. But I now see that it works a little better than other diets only because of all the support. In the end, it's just like every other diet restricting what is eaten and at some point fails because it's impossible to keep depriving yourself.It was a rough couple of days, but today I am in a more positive state of mind. My jeans being uncomfortably tight made me become more aware that maybe I was slipping back into compulsive eating so now I'm looking at it as a fresh start and being more conscious of my eating... savoring and being sure I am eating only when

hungry and stopping when satisfied. Also, I'm trying to be less hard on myself and more accepting. This group really helps with that and many other aspects of IE... thanks to all... love this group!To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Thu, August 12, 2010 12:02:35 PMSubject: Re: Discipline and IE

I too never got to my goal weight with WW. Each time I joined I would lose about 30 pounds but then stop and never get to my goal. And I have heard it from others here. I wonder what percentage of all their members really do achieve their goal weight? The great thing about IE is that WE, OUR BODIES, get to set our own goal weight, not an outside influence telling us what we should weigh.

Just take things one step at a time and stick with IE. It really is great freedom and if it helps to know, I've been doing IE for about 3 years and finally my clothes are getting looser. Went shopping this weekeend at an outlet mall and when I tried on new jeans I kept having to go to a lessor size (yippee). I thought, but wasn't sure if something was happening. I thought my clothes were getting baggier and looser, but I don't step on the scale so I wasn't sure what was happening. IE does work if you stick with it long enough until it becomes second nature and you don't even think about it anymore.

Alana

> I initially lost 80 pounds doing WW and was 20 pounds away from my goal

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Thank-you Alana... that really helps. I am so glad your clothes are getting looser! Regarding WW... I used to think that was it... the only way to lose weight because it was the only way I lost a good amount of weight. But I now see that it works a little better than other diets only because of all the support. In the end, it's just like every other diet restricting what is eaten and at some point fails because it's impossible to keep depriving yourself.It was a rough couple of days, but today I am in a more positive state of mind. My jeans being uncomfortably tight made me become more aware that maybe I was slipping back into compulsive eating so now I'm looking at it as a fresh start and being more conscious of my eating... savoring and being sure I am eating only when

hungry and stopping when satisfied. Also, I'm trying to be less hard on myself and more accepting. This group really helps with that and many other aspects of IE... thanks to all... love this group!To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Thu, August 12, 2010 12:02:35 PMSubject: Re: Discipline and IE

I too never got to my goal weight with WW. Each time I joined I would lose about 30 pounds but then stop and never get to my goal. And I have heard it from others here. I wonder what percentage of all their members really do achieve their goal weight? The great thing about IE is that WE, OUR BODIES, get to set our own goal weight, not an outside influence telling us what we should weigh.

Just take things one step at a time and stick with IE. It really is great freedom and if it helps to know, I've been doing IE for about 3 years and finally my clothes are getting looser. Went shopping this weekeend at an outlet mall and when I tried on new jeans I kept having to go to a lessor size (yippee). I thought, but wasn't sure if something was happening. I thought my clothes were getting baggier and looser, but I don't step on the scale so I wasn't sure what was happening. IE does work if you stick with it long enough until it becomes second nature and you don't even think about it anymore.

Alana

> I initially lost 80 pounds doing WW and was 20 pounds away from my goal

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I'm so chuckling right now.

I did WW *9* separate times over about an 18 year period and NEVER lost more

than 30 pounds, either! I'd start out all gung ho and by the third month, I'd

be at around 25 pounds and it would start to get harder and harder. Then I'd

start beating myself up and blaming myself for not following the program the way

I had been in the beginning. Then, I'd start skipping meetings because I

couldn't bear to face the scale lady and have another week of being unchanged or

gaining. And maybe I'd stick around for about another month or so and try to

get things back on track. And finally I'd decide that I was wasting my money if

I wasn't going to commit to the program and I'd stop going.

And then a year or two later (after trying a bunch of fad diets on my own), I'd

go back to WW and start the cycle all over again.

Funny.

Josie

>

> I too never got to my goal weight with WW. Each time I joined I would lose

about 30 pounds but then stop and never get to my goal. And I have heard it from

others here. I wonder what percentage of all their members really do achieve

their goal weight?

>

> Alana

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I'm so chuckling right now.

I did WW *9* separate times over about an 18 year period and NEVER lost more

than 30 pounds, either! I'd start out all gung ho and by the third month, I'd

be at around 25 pounds and it would start to get harder and harder. Then I'd

start beating myself up and blaming myself for not following the program the way

I had been in the beginning. Then, I'd start skipping meetings because I

couldn't bear to face the scale lady and have another week of being unchanged or

gaining. And maybe I'd stick around for about another month or so and try to

get things back on track. And finally I'd decide that I was wasting my money if

I wasn't going to commit to the program and I'd stop going.

And then a year or two later (after trying a bunch of fad diets on my own), I'd

go back to WW and start the cycle all over again.

Funny.

Josie

>

> I too never got to my goal weight with WW. Each time I joined I would lose

about 30 pounds but then stop and never get to my goal. And I have heard it from

others here. I wonder what percentage of all their members really do achieve

their goal weight?

>

> Alana

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As a former WW employee, I can tell you that we got a LOT of Lifetime members back that were not at goal anymore and that I only saw 2 members actually make goal in the year and a half that I worked.

Rhonda

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Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 3:02 PM

To: IntuitiveEating_Support

Subject: Re: Discipline and IE

I too never got to my goal weight with WW. Each time I joined I would lose about 30 pounds but then stop and never get to my goal. And I have heard it from others here. I wonder what percentage of all their members really do achieve their goal weight? The great thing about IE is that WE, OUR BODIES, get to set our own goal weight, not an outside influence telling us what we should weigh.Just take things one step at a time and stick with IE. It really is great freedom and if it helps to know, I've been doing IE for about 3 years and finally my clothes are getting looser. Went shopping this weekeend at an outlet mall and when I tried on new jeans I kept having to go to a lessor size (yippee). I thought, but wasn't sure if something was happening. I thought my clothes were getting baggier and looser, but I don't step on the scale so I wasn't sure what was happening. IE does work if you stick with it long enough until it becomes second nature and you don't even think about it anymore.Alana> I initially lost 80 pounds doing WW and was 20 pounds away from my goal

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As a former WW employee, I can tell you that we got a LOT of Lifetime members back that were not at goal anymore and that I only saw 2 members actually make goal in the year and a half that I worked.

Rhonda

From: Alana

Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 3:02 PM

To: IntuitiveEating_Support

Subject: Re: Discipline and IE

I too never got to my goal weight with WW. Each time I joined I would lose about 30 pounds but then stop and never get to my goal. And I have heard it from others here. I wonder what percentage of all their members really do achieve their goal weight? The great thing about IE is that WE, OUR BODIES, get to set our own goal weight, not an outside influence telling us what we should weigh.Just take things one step at a time and stick with IE. It really is great freedom and if it helps to know, I've been doing IE for about 3 years and finally my clothes are getting looser. Went shopping this weekeend at an outlet mall and when I tried on new jeans I kept having to go to a lessor size (yippee). I thought, but wasn't sure if something was happening. I thought my clothes were getting baggier and looser, but I don't step on the scale so I wasn't sure what was happening. IE does work if you stick with it long enough until it becomes second nature and you don't even think about it anymore.Alana> I initially lost 80 pounds doing WW and was 20 pounds away from my goal

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