Guest guest Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 Karla! Congrats!!! Yes, I love this thought. I'm not religious but I can still extract meaning. How cool to study theology!!! Way to go, lady! This Girlscout is proud of you! On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:03 AM, kyjohnson40days <kyjohnson40days@... > wrote: > > > I just finished my first term in school! Yay!!! > > I wanted to share something that got me thinking. Quick disclosure first, > though: I am always respectful of people's faith practices. The intent of > this isn't to start a discussion about sin or original sin or religious > ideals. If I may ask for grace here, please overlook those details because > they aren't the point of my story. (Phew). > > The professor was talking about sin and guilt. It was a theology course, so > that's required. He was talking about the origin, nature, etc. of sin as > Christians understand sin within their faith practices. Here's what he said > as he discussed what is and isn't considered " sin: " > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as sin. > For example, if you try to rescue people from a burning building but are > overcome by the flames to the degree that you simply can't get to them, that > does not count as sin against you. If those people died despite your best > efforts, their blood is not on your hands. " i.e. In this professor's > understanding, we are not held to impossible standards. > > Again, this isn't a commentary on God or sin or what you think about those. > This is simply a new concept for me: > > If the standard is impossible, it doesn't count against you if you can't > pull it off. > > How completely opposite to the BP world: no matter how insane the > expectations, you will be punished and punished severely if you don't meet > them. And, you will often be punished if you do because you were " showing > off " or " being arrogant. " > > Imagine . . . living in a world where it's not counted against you if you > can't pull off the impossible. > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with me, > and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I guess I > needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, sometimes, a basic > and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never been able to enjoy it? > > Thanks, > Karla > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 Karla! Congrats!!! Yes, I love this thought. I'm not religious but I can still extract meaning. How cool to study theology!!! Way to go, lady! This Girlscout is proud of you! On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:03 AM, kyjohnson40days <kyjohnson40days@... > wrote: > > > I just finished my first term in school! Yay!!! > > I wanted to share something that got me thinking. Quick disclosure first, > though: I am always respectful of people's faith practices. The intent of > this isn't to start a discussion about sin or original sin or religious > ideals. If I may ask for grace here, please overlook those details because > they aren't the point of my story. (Phew). > > The professor was talking about sin and guilt. It was a theology course, so > that's required. He was talking about the origin, nature, etc. of sin as > Christians understand sin within their faith practices. Here's what he said > as he discussed what is and isn't considered " sin: " > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as sin. > For example, if you try to rescue people from a burning building but are > overcome by the flames to the degree that you simply can't get to them, that > does not count as sin against you. If those people died despite your best > efforts, their blood is not on your hands. " i.e. In this professor's > understanding, we are not held to impossible standards. > > Again, this isn't a commentary on God or sin or what you think about those. > This is simply a new concept for me: > > If the standard is impossible, it doesn't count against you if you can't > pull it off. > > How completely opposite to the BP world: no matter how insane the > expectations, you will be punished and punished severely if you don't meet > them. And, you will often be punished if you do because you were " showing > off " or " being arrogant. " > > Imagine . . . living in a world where it's not counted against you if you > can't pull off the impossible. > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with me, > and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I guess I > needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, sometimes, a basic > and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never been able to enjoy it? > > Thanks, > Karla > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 Karla! Congrats!!! Yes, I love this thought. I'm not religious but I can still extract meaning. How cool to study theology!!! Way to go, lady! This Girlscout is proud of you! On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:03 AM, kyjohnson40days <kyjohnson40days@... > wrote: > > > I just finished my first term in school! Yay!!! > > I wanted to share something that got me thinking. Quick disclosure first, > though: I am always respectful of people's faith practices. The intent of > this isn't to start a discussion about sin or original sin or religious > ideals. If I may ask for grace here, please overlook those details because > they aren't the point of my story. (Phew). > > The professor was talking about sin and guilt. It was a theology course, so > that's required. He was talking about the origin, nature, etc. of sin as > Christians understand sin within their faith practices. Here's what he said > as he discussed what is and isn't considered " sin: " > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as sin. > For example, if you try to rescue people from a burning building but are > overcome by the flames to the degree that you simply can't get to them, that > does not count as sin against you. If those people died despite your best > efforts, their blood is not on your hands. " i.e. In this professor's > understanding, we are not held to impossible standards. > > Again, this isn't a commentary on God or sin or what you think about those. > This is simply a new concept for me: > > If the standard is impossible, it doesn't count against you if you can't > pull it off. > > How completely opposite to the BP world: no matter how insane the > expectations, you will be punished and punished severely if you don't meet > them. And, you will often be punished if you do because you were " showing > off " or " being arrogant. " > > Imagine . . . living in a world where it's not counted against you if you > can't pull off the impossible. > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with me, > and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I guess I > needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, sometimes, a basic > and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never been able to enjoy it? > > Thanks, > Karla > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 yep, the blackness inside them never goes away and can never be healed from the outside, it must be healed from the inside. whomever figures out how to access this stuff that is sometimes preverbal and unconscious should really win a nobel prize for freeing not only them but their families from misery. > > I just finished my first term in school! Yay!!! > > I wanted to share something that got me thinking. Quick disclosure first, though: I am always respectful of people's faith practices. The intent of this isn't to start a discussion about sin or original sin or religious ideals. If I may ask for grace here, please overlook those details because they aren't the point of my story. (Phew). > > The professor was talking about sin and guilt. It was a theology course, so that's required. He was talking about the origin, nature, etc. of sin as Christians understand sin within their faith practices. Here's what he said as he discussed what is and isn't considered " sin: " > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as sin. For example, if you try to rescue people from a burning building but are overcome by the flames to the degree that you simply can't get to them, that does not count as sin against you. If those people died despite your best efforts, their blood is not on your hands. " i.e. In this professor's understanding, we are not held to impossible standards. > > Again, this isn't a commentary on God or sin or what you think about those. This is simply a new concept for me: > > If the standard is impossible, it doesn't count against you if you can't pull it off. > > How completely opposite to the BP world: no matter how insane the expectations, you will be punished and punished severely if you don't meet them. And, you will often be punished if you do because you were " showing off " or " being arrogant. " > > Imagine . . . living in a world where it's not counted against you if you can't pull off the impossible. > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I guess I needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, sometimes, a basic and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never been able to enjoy it? > > Thanks, > Karla > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 yep, the blackness inside them never goes away and can never be healed from the outside, it must be healed from the inside. whomever figures out how to access this stuff that is sometimes preverbal and unconscious should really win a nobel prize for freeing not only them but their families from misery. > > I just finished my first term in school! Yay!!! > > I wanted to share something that got me thinking. Quick disclosure first, though: I am always respectful of people's faith practices. The intent of this isn't to start a discussion about sin or original sin or religious ideals. If I may ask for grace here, please overlook those details because they aren't the point of my story. (Phew). > > The professor was talking about sin and guilt. It was a theology course, so that's required. He was talking about the origin, nature, etc. of sin as Christians understand sin within their faith practices. Here's what he said as he discussed what is and isn't considered " sin: " > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as sin. For example, if you try to rescue people from a burning building but are overcome by the flames to the degree that you simply can't get to them, that does not count as sin against you. If those people died despite your best efforts, their blood is not on your hands. " i.e. In this professor's understanding, we are not held to impossible standards. > > Again, this isn't a commentary on God or sin or what you think about those. This is simply a new concept for me: > > If the standard is impossible, it doesn't count against you if you can't pull it off. > > How completely opposite to the BP world: no matter how insane the expectations, you will be punished and punished severely if you don't meet them. And, you will often be punished if you do because you were " showing off " or " being arrogant. " > > Imagine . . . living in a world where it's not counted against you if you can't pull off the impossible. > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I guess I needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, sometimes, a basic and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never been able to enjoy it? > > Thanks, > Karla > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 yep, the blackness inside them never goes away and can never be healed from the outside, it must be healed from the inside. whomever figures out how to access this stuff that is sometimes preverbal and unconscious should really win a nobel prize for freeing not only them but their families from misery. > > I just finished my first term in school! Yay!!! > > I wanted to share something that got me thinking. Quick disclosure first, though: I am always respectful of people's faith practices. The intent of this isn't to start a discussion about sin or original sin or religious ideals. If I may ask for grace here, please overlook those details because they aren't the point of my story. (Phew). > > The professor was talking about sin and guilt. It was a theology course, so that's required. He was talking about the origin, nature, etc. of sin as Christians understand sin within their faith practices. Here's what he said as he discussed what is and isn't considered " sin: " > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as sin. For example, if you try to rescue people from a burning building but are overcome by the flames to the degree that you simply can't get to them, that does not count as sin against you. If those people died despite your best efforts, their blood is not on your hands. " i.e. In this professor's understanding, we are not held to impossible standards. > > Again, this isn't a commentary on God or sin or what you think about those. This is simply a new concept for me: > > If the standard is impossible, it doesn't count against you if you can't pull it off. > > How completely opposite to the BP world: no matter how insane the expectations, you will be punished and punished severely if you don't meet them. And, you will often be punished if you do because you were " showing off " or " being arrogant. " > > Imagine . . . living in a world where it's not counted against you if you can't pull off the impossible. > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I guess I needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, sometimes, a basic and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never been able to enjoy it? > > Thanks, > Karla > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2010 Report Share Posted August 29, 2010 Karla, I really enjoyed your post! Thanks! It really hit home when you talked about the part where we may be punished for " showing off " or for failing... This is so true... I have always said that my relationship with my NADA is a " lose/lose situation. " Particularly when was going through college she was certainly not proud of me, but always told others how I thought I was " better " than them cause I was in college... (So not true!) I just wanted a better life than what I had experienced growing up... I enjoy hearing what you learn in your theology course... You are very appropriate (in my opinion) of sharing the thought process that you have come to with others... Thanks for your post! Jen > > > > I just finished my first term in school! Yay!!! > > > > I wanted to share something that got me thinking. Quick disclosure first, though: I am always respectful of people's faith practices. The intent of this isn't to start a discussion about sin or original sin or religious ideals. If I may ask for grace here, please overlook those details because they aren't the point of my story. (Phew). > > > > The professor was talking about sin and guilt. It was a theology course, so that's required. He was talking about the origin, nature, etc. of sin as Christians understand sin within their faith practices. Here's what he said as he discussed what is and isn't considered " sin: " > > > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as sin. For example, if you try to rescue people from a burning building but are overcome by the flames to the degree that you simply can't get to them, that does not count as sin against you. If those people died despite your best efforts, their blood is not on your hands. " i.e. In this professor's understanding, we are not held to impossible standards. > > > > Again, this isn't a commentary on God or sin or what you think about those. This is simply a new concept for me: > > > > If the standard is impossible, it doesn't count against you if you can't pull it off. > > > > How completely opposite to the BP world: no matter how insane the expectations, you will be punished and punished severely if you don't meet them. And, you will often be punished if you do because you were " showing off " or " being arrogant. " > > > > Imagine . . . living in a world where it's not counted against you if you can't pull off the impossible. > > > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I guess I needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, sometimes, a basic and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never been able to enjoy it? > > > > Thanks, > > Karla > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2010 Report Share Posted August 29, 2010 That is a great insight, to me. It is very much like the concept I was able to perceive in my life pretty early on RE my relationship with my nada: " the no-win scenario. " Damned if you do, damned if you don't. If I screwed up something, it was my fault, but if I did well, nada took the credit. Thanks for sharing that philosophical point, it puts the " no win " concept very clearly RE having a mentally ill parent who can never be pleased. -Annie > > I just finished my first term in school! Yay!!! > > I wanted to share something that got me thinking. Quick disclosure first, though: I am always respectful of people's faith practices. The intent of this isn't to start a discussion about sin or original sin or religious ideals. If I may ask for grace here, please overlook those details because they aren't the point of my story. (Phew). > > The professor was talking about sin and guilt. It was a theology course, so that's required. He was talking about the origin, nature, etc. of sin as Christians understand sin within their faith practices. Here's what he said as he discussed what is and isn't considered " sin: " > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as sin. For example, if you try to rescue people from a burning building but are overcome by the flames to the degree that you simply can't get to them, that does not count as sin against you. If those people died despite your best efforts, their blood is not on your hands. " i.e. In this professor's understanding, we are not held to impossible standards. > > Again, this isn't a commentary on God or sin or what you think about those. This is simply a new concept for me: > > If the standard is impossible, it doesn't count against you if you can't pull it off. > > How completely opposite to the BP world: no matter how insane the expectations, you will be punished and punished severely if you don't meet them. And, you will often be punished if you do because you were " showing off " or " being arrogant. " > > Imagine . . . living in a world where it's not counted against you if you can't pull off the impossible. > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I guess I needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, sometimes, a basic and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never been able to enjoy it? > > Thanks, > Karla > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2010 Report Share Posted August 29, 2010 Thanks so much, everybody. It's still sinking in: If the task put before me is impossible, I shouldn't be punished if I don't succeed. Wow. That is still leaving my dumbfounded. Blessings, Karla > > I just finished my first term in school! Yay!!! > > I wanted to share something that got me thinking. Quick disclosure first, though: I am always respectful of people's faith practices. The intent of this isn't to start a discussion about sin or original sin or religious ideals. If I may ask for grace here, please overlook those details because they aren't the point of my story. (Phew). > > The professor was talking about sin and guilt. It was a theology course, so that's required. He was talking about the origin, nature, etc. of sin as Christians understand sin within their faith practices. Here's what he said as he discussed what is and isn't considered " sin: " > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as sin. For example, if you try to rescue people from a burning building but are overcome by the flames to the degree that you simply can't get to them, that does not count as sin against you. If those people died despite your best efforts, their blood is not on your hands. " i.e. In this professor's understanding, we are not held to impossible standards. > > Again, this isn't a commentary on God or sin or what you think about those. This is simply a new concept for me: > > If the standard is impossible, it doesn't count against you if you can't pull it off. > > How completely opposite to the BP world: no matter how insane the expectations, you will be punished and punished severely if you don't meet them. And, you will often be punished if you do because you were " showing off " or " being arrogant. " > > Imagine . . . living in a world where it's not counted against you if you can't pull off the impossible. > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I guess I needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, sometimes, a basic and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never been able to enjoy it? > > Thanks, > Karla > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2010 Report Share Posted August 29, 2010 Of course, for us KO s, it s ingrained that it certainly IS our fault, impossible or not. Nada and FOG did that for us. So perhaps the direction we need to move is toward grace, unmerited favor. Maybe it is our fault, but we are still accepted. Interesting. Doug > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as sin. > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I guess I needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, sometimes, a basic and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never been able to enjoy it? > > Thanks, > Karla > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2010 Report Share Posted August 29, 2010 Of course, for us KO s, it s ingrained that it certainly IS our fault, impossible or not. Nada and FOG did that for us. So perhaps the direction we need to move is toward grace, unmerited favor. Maybe it is our fault, but we are still accepted. Interesting. Doug > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as sin. > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I guess I needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, sometimes, a basic and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never been able to enjoy it? > > Thanks, > Karla > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2010 Report Share Posted August 29, 2010 Of course, for us KO s, it s ingrained that it certainly IS our fault, impossible or not. Nada and FOG did that for us. So perhaps the direction we need to move is toward grace, unmerited favor. Maybe it is our fault, but we are still accepted. Interesting. Doug > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as sin. > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I guess I needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, sometimes, a basic and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never been able to enjoy it? > > Thanks, > Karla > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2010 Report Share Posted August 29, 2010 Yes, Doug! I wonder . . . dare I be so bold as to suggest . . . If the task was impossible, we need no grace. The favor is, actually, merited. Maybe . . . we were not the issue, but the task was the problem? The expectation and twisted punishment system was in the wrong. Not us. Hmmmm . . .. Don't get me wrong. I think we all, especially as KOs, move to acceptance. It is the highest form of peace. I'm just still trying to absorb: if the task was impossible, we are not responsible for " failing " at the task. This is brand new stuff for me. Hmmm . . . Blessings, Karla > > Of course, for us KO s, it s ingrained that it certainly IS our fault, > impossible or not. Nada and FOG did that for us. So perhaps the > direction we need to move is toward grace, unmerited favor. Maybe it is > our fault, but we are still accepted. > > Interesting. > > Doug > > > > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as > sin. > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with > me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I > guess I needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, > sometimes, a basic and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never > been able to enjoy it? > > > > Thanks, > > Karla > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2010 Report Share Posted August 29, 2010 Yes, Doug! I wonder . . . dare I be so bold as to suggest . . . If the task was impossible, we need no grace. The favor is, actually, merited. Maybe . . . we were not the issue, but the task was the problem? The expectation and twisted punishment system was in the wrong. Not us. Hmmmm . . .. Don't get me wrong. I think we all, especially as KOs, move to acceptance. It is the highest form of peace. I'm just still trying to absorb: if the task was impossible, we are not responsible for " failing " at the task. This is brand new stuff for me. Hmmm . . . Blessings, Karla > > Of course, for us KO s, it s ingrained that it certainly IS our fault, > impossible or not. Nada and FOG did that for us. So perhaps the > direction we need to move is toward grace, unmerited favor. Maybe it is > our fault, but we are still accepted. > > Interesting. > > Doug > > > > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as > sin. > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with > me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I > guess I needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, > sometimes, a basic and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never > been able to enjoy it? > > > > Thanks, > > Karla > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2010 Report Share Posted August 29, 2010 Yes, Doug! I wonder . . . dare I be so bold as to suggest . . . If the task was impossible, we need no grace. The favor is, actually, merited. Maybe . . . we were not the issue, but the task was the problem? The expectation and twisted punishment system was in the wrong. Not us. Hmmmm . . .. Don't get me wrong. I think we all, especially as KOs, move to acceptance. It is the highest form of peace. I'm just still trying to absorb: if the task was impossible, we are not responsible for " failing " at the task. This is brand new stuff for me. Hmmm . . . Blessings, Karla > > Of course, for us KO s, it s ingrained that it certainly IS our fault, > impossible or not. Nada and FOG did that for us. So perhaps the > direction we need to move is toward grace, unmerited favor. Maybe it is > our fault, but we are still accepted. > > Interesting. > > Doug > > > > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as > sin. > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with > me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I > guess I needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, > sometimes, a basic and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never > been able to enjoy it? > > > > Thanks, > > Karla > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2010 Report Share Posted August 29, 2010 This is reminding me a bit of a concept I learned recently doing Buddhist meditation: " attach yourself to the effort, not the result " . Meaning, for example, that you can and should focus on being kind, rational, and truthful, but how others respond is not your responsibility. I also like the idea in Buddhism of " idiot compassion " . That is, don't be an idiot and keep wasting your compassion on those unable to benefit from it. Part of the path towards enlightenment is apparently choosing your friends wisely, by choosing those who can help and uplift you. Apologies to any expert Buddhist out there if my paraphrasing is clumsy. Letty > > > > Of course, for us KO s, it s ingrained that it certainly IS our fault, > > impossible or not. Nada and FOG did that for us. So perhaps the > > direction we need to move is toward grace, unmerited favor. Maybe it is > > our fault, but we are still accepted. > > > > Interesting. > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as > > sin. > > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with > > me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I > > guess I needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, > > sometimes, a basic and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never > > been able to enjoy it? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Karla > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2010 Report Share Posted August 29, 2010 This is reminding me a bit of a concept I learned recently doing Buddhist meditation: " attach yourself to the effort, not the result " . Meaning, for example, that you can and should focus on being kind, rational, and truthful, but how others respond is not your responsibility. I also like the idea in Buddhism of " idiot compassion " . That is, don't be an idiot and keep wasting your compassion on those unable to benefit from it. Part of the path towards enlightenment is apparently choosing your friends wisely, by choosing those who can help and uplift you. Apologies to any expert Buddhist out there if my paraphrasing is clumsy. Letty > > > > Of course, for us KO s, it s ingrained that it certainly IS our fault, > > impossible or not. Nada and FOG did that for us. So perhaps the > > direction we need to move is toward grace, unmerited favor. Maybe it is > > our fault, but we are still accepted. > > > > Interesting. > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as > > sin. > > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with > > me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I > > guess I needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, > > sometimes, a basic and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never > > been able to enjoy it? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Karla > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2010 Report Share Posted August 29, 2010 This is reminding me a bit of a concept I learned recently doing Buddhist meditation: " attach yourself to the effort, not the result " . Meaning, for example, that you can and should focus on being kind, rational, and truthful, but how others respond is not your responsibility. I also like the idea in Buddhism of " idiot compassion " . That is, don't be an idiot and keep wasting your compassion on those unable to benefit from it. Part of the path towards enlightenment is apparently choosing your friends wisely, by choosing those who can help and uplift you. Apologies to any expert Buddhist out there if my paraphrasing is clumsy. Letty > > > > Of course, for us KO s, it s ingrained that it certainly IS our fault, > > impossible or not. Nada and FOG did that for us. So perhaps the > > direction we need to move is toward grace, unmerited favor. Maybe it is > > our fault, but we are still accepted. > > > > Interesting. > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as > > sin. > > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with > > me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I > > guess I needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, > > sometimes, a basic and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never > > been able to enjoy it? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Karla > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2010 Report Share Posted August 29, 2010 that's brilliant, thanks for sharing it. > > > > > > Of course, for us KO s, it s ingrained that it certainly IS our fault, > > > impossible or not. Nada and FOG did that for us. So perhaps the > > > direction we need to move is toward grace, unmerited favor. Maybe it is > > > our fault, but we are still accepted. > > > > > > Interesting. > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as > > > sin. > > > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with > > > me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I > > > guess I needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, > > > sometimes, a basic and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never > > > been able to enjoy it? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Karla > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2010 Report Share Posted August 29, 2010 that's brilliant, thanks for sharing it. > > > > > > Of course, for us KO s, it s ingrained that it certainly IS our fault, > > > impossible or not. Nada and FOG did that for us. So perhaps the > > > direction we need to move is toward grace, unmerited favor. Maybe it is > > > our fault, but we are still accepted. > > > > > > Interesting. > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as > > > sin. > > > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with > > > me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I > > > guess I needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, > > > sometimes, a basic and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never > > > been able to enjoy it? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Karla > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2010 Report Share Posted August 29, 2010 that's brilliant, thanks for sharing it. > > > > > > Of course, for us KO s, it s ingrained that it certainly IS our fault, > > > impossible or not. Nada and FOG did that for us. So perhaps the > > > direction we need to move is toward grace, unmerited favor. Maybe it is > > > our fault, but we are still accepted. > > > > > > Interesting. > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as > > > sin. > > > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with > > > me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I > > > guess I needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, > > > sometimes, a basic and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never > > > been able to enjoy it? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Karla > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2010 Report Share Posted August 29, 2010 To me, the idea boils down to the fact that no matter how much we try, we will never be good enough for them. For the rest of the world though, we are. > > I just finished my first term in school! Yay!!! > > I wanted to share something that got me thinking. Quick disclosure first, though: I am always respectful of people's faith practices. The intent of this isn't to start a discussion about sin or original sin or religious ideals. If I may ask for grace here, please overlook those details because they aren't the point of my story. (Phew). > > The professor was talking about sin and guilt. It was a theology course, so that's required. He was talking about the origin, nature, etc. of sin as Christians understand sin within their faith practices. Here's what he said as he discussed what is and isn't considered " sin: " > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as sin. For example, if you try to rescue people from a burning building but are overcome by the flames to the degree that you simply can't get to them, that does not count as sin against you. If those people died despite your best efforts, their blood is not on your hands. " i.e. In this professor's understanding, we are not held to impossible standards. > > Again, this isn't a commentary on God or sin or what you think about those. This is simply a new concept for me: > > If the standard is impossible, it doesn't count against you if you can't pull it off. > > How completely opposite to the BP world: no matter how insane the expectations, you will be punished and punished severely if you don't meet them. And, you will often be punished if you do because you were " showing off " or " being arrogant. " > > Imagine . . . living in a world where it's not counted against you if you can't pull off the impossible. > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I guess I needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, sometimes, a basic and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never been able to enjoy it? > > Thanks, > Karla > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2010 Report Share Posted August 29, 2010 To me, the idea boils down to the fact that no matter how much we try, we will never be good enough for them. For the rest of the world though, we are. > > I just finished my first term in school! Yay!!! > > I wanted to share something that got me thinking. Quick disclosure first, though: I am always respectful of people's faith practices. The intent of this isn't to start a discussion about sin or original sin or religious ideals. If I may ask for grace here, please overlook those details because they aren't the point of my story. (Phew). > > The professor was talking about sin and guilt. It was a theology course, so that's required. He was talking about the origin, nature, etc. of sin as Christians understand sin within their faith practices. Here's what he said as he discussed what is and isn't considered " sin: " > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as sin. For example, if you try to rescue people from a burning building but are overcome by the flames to the degree that you simply can't get to them, that does not count as sin against you. If those people died despite your best efforts, their blood is not on your hands. " i.e. In this professor's understanding, we are not held to impossible standards. > > Again, this isn't a commentary on God or sin or what you think about those. This is simply a new concept for me: > > If the standard is impossible, it doesn't count against you if you can't pull it off. > > How completely opposite to the BP world: no matter how insane the expectations, you will be punished and punished severely if you don't meet them. And, you will often be punished if you do because you were " showing off " or " being arrogant. " > > Imagine . . . living in a world where it's not counted against you if you can't pull off the impossible. > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I guess I needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, sometimes, a basic and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never been able to enjoy it? > > Thanks, > Karla > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2010 Report Share Posted August 29, 2010 To me, the idea boils down to the fact that no matter how much we try, we will never be good enough for them. For the rest of the world though, we are. > > I just finished my first term in school! Yay!!! > > I wanted to share something that got me thinking. Quick disclosure first, though: I am always respectful of people's faith practices. The intent of this isn't to start a discussion about sin or original sin or religious ideals. If I may ask for grace here, please overlook those details because they aren't the point of my story. (Phew). > > The professor was talking about sin and guilt. It was a theology course, so that's required. He was talking about the origin, nature, etc. of sin as Christians understand sin within their faith practices. Here's what he said as he discussed what is and isn't considered " sin: " > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as sin. For example, if you try to rescue people from a burning building but are overcome by the flames to the degree that you simply can't get to them, that does not count as sin against you. If those people died despite your best efforts, their blood is not on your hands. " i.e. In this professor's understanding, we are not held to impossible standards. > > Again, this isn't a commentary on God or sin or what you think about those. This is simply a new concept for me: > > If the standard is impossible, it doesn't count against you if you can't pull it off. > > How completely opposite to the BP world: no matter how insane the expectations, you will be punished and punished severely if you don't meet them. And, you will often be punished if you do because you were " showing off " or " being arrogant. " > > Imagine . . . living in a world where it's not counted against you if you can't pull off the impossible. > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I guess I needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, sometimes, a basic and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never been able to enjoy it? > > Thanks, > Karla > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2010 Report Share Posted August 30, 2010 really appreciate you sharing > > > > > > Of course, for us KO s, it s ingrained that it certainly IS our fault, > > > impossible or not. Nada and FOG did that for us. So perhaps the > > > direction we need to move is toward grace, unmerited favor. Maybe it is > > > our fault, but we are still accepted. > > > > > > Interesting. > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as > > > sin. > > > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with > > > me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I > > > guess I needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, > > > sometimes, a basic and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never > > > been able to enjoy it? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Karla > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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