Guest guest Posted August 30, 2010 Report Share Posted August 30, 2010 really appreciate you sharing > > > > > > Of course, for us KO s, it s ingrained that it certainly IS our fault, > > > impossible or not. Nada and FOG did that for us. So perhaps the > > > direction we need to move is toward grace, unmerited favor. Maybe it is > > > our fault, but we are still accepted. > > > > > > Interesting. > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as > > > sin. > > > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with > > > me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I > > > guess I needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, > > > sometimes, a basic and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never > > > been able to enjoy it? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Karla > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2010 Report Share Posted August 30, 2010 really appreciate you sharing > > > > > > Of course, for us KO s, it s ingrained that it certainly IS our fault, > > > impossible or not. Nada and FOG did that for us. So perhaps the > > > direction we need to move is toward grace, unmerited favor. Maybe it is > > > our fault, but we are still accepted. > > > > > > Interesting. > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as > > > sin. > > > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with > > > me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I > > > guess I needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, > > > sometimes, a basic and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never > > > been able to enjoy it? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Karla > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2010 Report Share Posted August 30, 2010 Karla Conrad's on your first term you must be so proud! I'm not religious per se, but that is a very good point you shared, thank you. I have found myself to be so hurt by my mother and her use of God and the bible as a tool of manipulation against me and others I love that now it is hard for me to believe anything at all sometimes I find myself feeling hopeless. I feel like I keep things just stuffed down because most of the people I love, love God and I don't want to let them down, does this make sense? I still find small comfort in short lessons like the one you shared because I feel they are not with manipulative intentions. You will be a great leader and know how to neutralize all the BPD witches out before they destroy anybody else's faith! I know you will do great things! Thank you. LB > > I just finished my first term in school! Yay!!! > > I wanted to share something that got me thinking. Quick disclosure first, though: I am always respectful of people's faith practices. The intent of this isn't to start a discussion about sin or original sin or religious ideals. If I may ask for grace here, please overlook those details because they aren't the point of my story. (Phew). > > The professor was talking about sin and guilt. It was a theology course, so that's required. He was talking about the origin, nature, etc. of sin as Christians understand sin within their faith practices. Here's what he said as he discussed what is and isn't considered " sin: " > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as sin. For example, if you try to rescue people from a burning building but are overcome by the flames to the degree that you simply can't get to them, that does not count as sin against you. If those people died despite your best efforts, their blood is not on your hands. " i.e. In this professor's understanding, we are not held to impossible standards. > > Again, this isn't a commentary on God or sin or what you think about those. This is simply a new concept for me: > > If the standard is impossible, it doesn't count against you if you can't pull it off. > > How completely opposite to the BP world: no matter how insane the expectations, you will be punished and punished severely if you don't meet them. And, you will often be punished if you do because you were " showing off " or " being arrogant. " > > Imagine . . . living in a world where it's not counted against you if you can't pull off the impossible. > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I guess I needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, sometimes, a basic and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never been able to enjoy it? > > Thanks, > Karla > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2010 Report Share Posted August 30, 2010 Karla Conrad's on your first term you must be so proud! I'm not religious per se, but that is a very good point you shared, thank you. I have found myself to be so hurt by my mother and her use of God and the bible as a tool of manipulation against me and others I love that now it is hard for me to believe anything at all sometimes I find myself feeling hopeless. I feel like I keep things just stuffed down because most of the people I love, love God and I don't want to let them down, does this make sense? I still find small comfort in short lessons like the one you shared because I feel they are not with manipulative intentions. You will be a great leader and know how to neutralize all the BPD witches out before they destroy anybody else's faith! I know you will do great things! Thank you. LB > > I just finished my first term in school! Yay!!! > > I wanted to share something that got me thinking. Quick disclosure first, though: I am always respectful of people's faith practices. The intent of this isn't to start a discussion about sin or original sin or religious ideals. If I may ask for grace here, please overlook those details because they aren't the point of my story. (Phew). > > The professor was talking about sin and guilt. It was a theology course, so that's required. He was talking about the origin, nature, etc. of sin as Christians understand sin within their faith practices. Here's what he said as he discussed what is and isn't considered " sin: " > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as sin. For example, if you try to rescue people from a burning building but are overcome by the flames to the degree that you simply can't get to them, that does not count as sin against you. If those people died despite your best efforts, their blood is not on your hands. " i.e. In this professor's understanding, we are not held to impossible standards. > > Again, this isn't a commentary on God or sin or what you think about those. This is simply a new concept for me: > > If the standard is impossible, it doesn't count against you if you can't pull it off. > > How completely opposite to the BP world: no matter how insane the expectations, you will be punished and punished severely if you don't meet them. And, you will often be punished if you do because you were " showing off " or " being arrogant. " > > Imagine . . . living in a world where it's not counted against you if you can't pull off the impossible. > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I guess I needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, sometimes, a basic and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never been able to enjoy it? > > Thanks, > Karla > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2010 Report Share Posted August 30, 2010 Karla Conrad's on your first term you must be so proud! I'm not religious per se, but that is a very good point you shared, thank you. I have found myself to be so hurt by my mother and her use of God and the bible as a tool of manipulation against me and others I love that now it is hard for me to believe anything at all sometimes I find myself feeling hopeless. I feel like I keep things just stuffed down because most of the people I love, love God and I don't want to let them down, does this make sense? I still find small comfort in short lessons like the one you shared because I feel they are not with manipulative intentions. You will be a great leader and know how to neutralize all the BPD witches out before they destroy anybody else's faith! I know you will do great things! Thank you. LB > > I just finished my first term in school! Yay!!! > > I wanted to share something that got me thinking. Quick disclosure first, though: I am always respectful of people's faith practices. The intent of this isn't to start a discussion about sin or original sin or religious ideals. If I may ask for grace here, please overlook those details because they aren't the point of my story. (Phew). > > The professor was talking about sin and guilt. It was a theology course, so that's required. He was talking about the origin, nature, etc. of sin as Christians understand sin within their faith practices. Here's what he said as he discussed what is and isn't considered " sin: " > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as sin. For example, if you try to rescue people from a burning building but are overcome by the flames to the degree that you simply can't get to them, that does not count as sin against you. If those people died despite your best efforts, their blood is not on your hands. " i.e. In this professor's understanding, we are not held to impossible standards. > > Again, this isn't a commentary on God or sin or what you think about those. This is simply a new concept for me: > > If the standard is impossible, it doesn't count against you if you can't pull it off. > > How completely opposite to the BP world: no matter how insane the expectations, you will be punished and punished severely if you don't meet them. And, you will often be punished if you do because you were " showing off " or " being arrogant. " > > Imagine . . . living in a world where it's not counted against you if you can't pull off the impossible. > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I guess I needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, sometimes, a basic and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never been able to enjoy it? > > Thanks, > Karla > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 Wanted to share a related thought... " For whatever it's worth . . . my parents also did the " God as a weapon " thing. There is even a name for it now--spiritual abuse. " -- The spiritual abusers in the bible, the Pharisees, were people that Jesus loathed to such a degree that he called them " whited sepulchres. " (matthew 23:27 in case you would like to verify that for yourself.) Jesus was not one to mince words for those who mistreated others. Meaning, on the outside they look clean and presentable but on the inside they are full of death and decay. What an accurate description of what spiritual abuse does to a perpetrator, you know? When faith ceases to be about loving one's neighbor, but becomes some dark twisted method of control, it ceases to be faith and becomes a maggot-infested deception. Woe to them, indeed. Both my cents, Tina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 Wanted to share a related thought... " For whatever it's worth . . . my parents also did the " God as a weapon " thing. There is even a name for it now--spiritual abuse. " -- The spiritual abusers in the bible, the Pharisees, were people that Jesus loathed to such a degree that he called them " whited sepulchres. " (matthew 23:27 in case you would like to verify that for yourself.) Jesus was not one to mince words for those who mistreated others. Meaning, on the outside they look clean and presentable but on the inside they are full of death and decay. What an accurate description of what spiritual abuse does to a perpetrator, you know? When faith ceases to be about loving one's neighbor, but becomes some dark twisted method of control, it ceases to be faith and becomes a maggot-infested deception. Woe to them, indeed. Both my cents, Tina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 Wanted to share a related thought... " For whatever it's worth . . . my parents also did the " God as a weapon " thing. There is even a name for it now--spiritual abuse. " -- The spiritual abusers in the bible, the Pharisees, were people that Jesus loathed to such a degree that he called them " whited sepulchres. " (matthew 23:27 in case you would like to verify that for yourself.) Jesus was not one to mince words for those who mistreated others. Meaning, on the outside they look clean and presentable but on the inside they are full of death and decay. What an accurate description of what spiritual abuse does to a perpetrator, you know? When faith ceases to be about loving one's neighbor, but becomes some dark twisted method of control, it ceases to be faith and becomes a maggot-infested deception. Woe to them, indeed. Both my cents, Tina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 Charlie-- Girl, I HEAR YOU!!! I was struck by something recently. Again, this is in no way trying to disrespect others' faith or speak out of turn. It just helped me make sense of the whole thing. Jesus once visited his place of origin. " He could do no miracle there . . . " That helped me tremendously. If JESUS couldn't work effectively back home, I guess I shouldn't be expected to, either!! I'm so proud of you for having the courage to go NC and stick with it. You, your writing, and your life are all far too important to waste on them. They won't be served by it, anyway. Thanks for the encouragement. Blessings, Karla > > > > > > > > I just finished my first term in school! Yay!!! > > > > > > > > I wanted to share something that got me thinking. Quick disclosure first, though: I am always respectful of people's faith practices. The intent of this isn't to start a discussion about sin or original sin or religious ideals. If I may ask for grace here, please overlook those details because they aren't the point of my story. (Phew). > > > > > > > > The professor was talking about sin and guilt. It was a theology course, so that's required. He was talking about the origin, nature, etc. of sin as Christians understand sin within their faith practices. Here's what he said as he discussed what is and isn't considered " sin: " > > > > > > > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as sin. For example, if you try to rescue people from a burning building but are overcome by the flames to the degree that you simply can't get to them, that does not count as sin against you. If those people died despite your best efforts, their blood is not on your hands. " i.e. In this professor's understanding, we are not held to impossible standards. > > > > > > > > Again, this isn't a commentary on God or sin or what you think about those. This is simply a new concept for me: > > > > > > > > If the standard is impossible, it doesn't count against you if you can't pull it off. > > > > > > > > How completely opposite to the BP world: no matter how insane the expectations, you will be punished and punished severely if you don't meet them. And, you will often be punished if you do because you were " showing off " or " being arrogant. " > > > > > > > > Imagine . . . living in a world where it's not counted against you if you can't pull off the impossible. > > > > > > > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I guess I needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, sometimes, a basic and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never been able to enjoy it? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Karla > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 Charlie-- Girl, I HEAR YOU!!! I was struck by something recently. Again, this is in no way trying to disrespect others' faith or speak out of turn. It just helped me make sense of the whole thing. Jesus once visited his place of origin. " He could do no miracle there . . . " That helped me tremendously. If JESUS couldn't work effectively back home, I guess I shouldn't be expected to, either!! I'm so proud of you for having the courage to go NC and stick with it. You, your writing, and your life are all far too important to waste on them. They won't be served by it, anyway. Thanks for the encouragement. Blessings, Karla > > > > > > > > I just finished my first term in school! Yay!!! > > > > > > > > I wanted to share something that got me thinking. Quick disclosure first, though: I am always respectful of people's faith practices. The intent of this isn't to start a discussion about sin or original sin or religious ideals. If I may ask for grace here, please overlook those details because they aren't the point of my story. (Phew). > > > > > > > > The professor was talking about sin and guilt. It was a theology course, so that's required. He was talking about the origin, nature, etc. of sin as Christians understand sin within their faith practices. Here's what he said as he discussed what is and isn't considered " sin: " > > > > > > > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as sin. For example, if you try to rescue people from a burning building but are overcome by the flames to the degree that you simply can't get to them, that does not count as sin against you. If those people died despite your best efforts, their blood is not on your hands. " i.e. In this professor's understanding, we are not held to impossible standards. > > > > > > > > Again, this isn't a commentary on God or sin or what you think about those. This is simply a new concept for me: > > > > > > > > If the standard is impossible, it doesn't count against you if you can't pull it off. > > > > > > > > How completely opposite to the BP world: no matter how insane the expectations, you will be punished and punished severely if you don't meet them. And, you will often be punished if you do because you were " showing off " or " being arrogant. " > > > > > > > > Imagine . . . living in a world where it's not counted against you if you can't pull off the impossible. > > > > > > > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I guess I needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, sometimes, a basic and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never been able to enjoy it? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Karla > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 Ooooh, Girlscout. I've been wrestling all day with my true purpose vs. the purpose I was " born " to. My purpose in my family was to be stepped on and ground down. As I rise up more in life (well, actually, in myself) I'm having to really really work to reject my mother's definition of me. Wow. Thanks for reinforcing this in such an articulate manner. I really needed that today. > > > > > > > > > > I just finished my first term in school! Yay!!! > > > > > > > > > > I wanted to share something that got me thinking. Quick disclosure > > first, though: I am always respectful of people's faith practices. The > > intent of this isn't to start a discussion about sin or original sin or > > religious ideals. If I may ask for grace here, please overlook those details > > because they aren't the point of my story. (Phew). > > > > > > > > > > The professor was talking about sin and guilt. It was a theology > > course, so that's required. He was talking about the origin, nature, etc. of > > sin as Christians understand sin within their faith practices. Here's what > > he said as he discussed what is and isn't considered " sin: " > > > > > > > > > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted > > as sin. For example, if you try to rescue people from a burning building but > > are overcome by the flames to the degree that you simply can't get to them, > > that does not count as sin against you. If those people died despite your > > best efforts, their blood is not on your hands. " i.e. In this professor's > > understanding, we are not held to impossible standards. > > > > > > > > > > Again, this isn't a commentary on God or sin or what you think about > > those. This is simply a new concept for me: > > > > > > > > > > If the standard is impossible, it doesn't count against you if you > > can't pull it off. > > > > > > > > > > How completely opposite to the BP world: no matter how insane the > > expectations, you will be punished and punished severely if you don't meet > > them. And, you will often be punished if you do because you were " showing > > off " or " being arrogant. " > > > > > > > > > > Imagine . . . living in a world where it's not counted against you if > > you can't pull off the impossible. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with > > me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I guess I > > needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, sometimes, a basic > > and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never been able to enjoy it? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Karla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 Thanks Karla and Girlscout. It's about a year's anniversary since I went fully NC with both parents, and the doubt-monsters have been creeping in a bit. I'm convinced that with KOs, almost the whole battle is just convincing yourself that your Truth is True! --Charlie > > > > > > > > > > I just finished my first term in school! Yay!!! > > > > > > > > > > I wanted to share something that got me thinking. Quick disclosure first, though: I am always respectful of people's faith practices. The intent of this isn't to start a discussion about sin or original sin or religious ideals. If I may ask for grace here, please overlook those details because they aren't the point of my story. (Phew). > > > > > > > > > > The professor was talking about sin and guilt. It was a theology course, so that's required. He was talking about the origin, nature, etc. of sin as Christians understand sin within their faith practices. Here's what he said as he discussed what is and isn't considered " sin: " > > > > > > > > > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as sin. For example, if you try to rescue people from a burning building but are overcome by the flames to the degree that you simply can't get to them, that does not count as sin against you. If those people died despite your best efforts, their blood is not on your hands. " i.e. In this professor's understanding, we are not held to impossible standards. > > > > > > > > > > Again, this isn't a commentary on God or sin or what you think about those. This is simply a new concept for me: > > > > > > > > > > If the standard is impossible, it doesn't count against you if you can't pull it off. > > > > > > > > > > How completely opposite to the BP world: no matter how insane the expectations, you will be punished and punished severely if you don't meet them. And, you will often be punished if you do because you were " showing off " or " being arrogant. " > > > > > > > > > > Imagine . . . living in a world where it's not counted against you if you can't pull off the impossible. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I guess I needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, sometimes, a basic and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never been able to enjoy it? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Karla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 Thanks Karla and Girlscout. It's about a year's anniversary since I went fully NC with both parents, and the doubt-monsters have been creeping in a bit. I'm convinced that with KOs, almost the whole battle is just convincing yourself that your Truth is True! --Charlie > > > > > > > > > > I just finished my first term in school! Yay!!! > > > > > > > > > > I wanted to share something that got me thinking. Quick disclosure first, though: I am always respectful of people's faith practices. The intent of this isn't to start a discussion about sin or original sin or religious ideals. If I may ask for grace here, please overlook those details because they aren't the point of my story. (Phew). > > > > > > > > > > The professor was talking about sin and guilt. It was a theology course, so that's required. He was talking about the origin, nature, etc. of sin as Christians understand sin within their faith practices. Here's what he said as he discussed what is and isn't considered " sin: " > > > > > > > > > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as sin. For example, if you try to rescue people from a burning building but are overcome by the flames to the degree that you simply can't get to them, that does not count as sin against you. If those people died despite your best efforts, their blood is not on your hands. " i.e. In this professor's understanding, we are not held to impossible standards. > > > > > > > > > > Again, this isn't a commentary on God or sin or what you think about those. This is simply a new concept for me: > > > > > > > > > > If the standard is impossible, it doesn't count against you if you can't pull it off. > > > > > > > > > > How completely opposite to the BP world: no matter how insane the expectations, you will be punished and punished severely if you don't meet them. And, you will often be punished if you do because you were " showing off " or " being arrogant. " > > > > > > > > > > Imagine . . . living in a world where it's not counted against you if you can't pull off the impossible. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I guess I needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, sometimes, a basic and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never been able to enjoy it? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Karla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 Fairydancing-- Thank you so much. With every fiber of my late-in-life Pentacostal self, I scream: DON'T LET THAT WOMAN BAPTIZE YOUR CHILDREN!!!! Phew. Thanks for letting me scream that. And, if I may offer my Seminary-trained translation of " god told her what I was supposed to name him and I did not pass the septor " Going back to the original Greek on that one . . . The literal translation of that phrase is: Your mama's crazy! Run away!! Blessings, Karla > > > > > > > > I just finished my first term in school! Yay!!! > > > > > > > > I wanted to share something that got me thinking. Quick disclosure first, though: I am always respectful of people's faith practices. The intent of this isn't to start a discussion about sin or original sin or religious ideals. If I may ask for grace here, please overlook those details because they aren't the point of my story. (Phew). > > > > > > > > The professor was talking about sin and guilt. It was a theology course, so that's required. He was talking about the origin, nature, etc. of sin as Christians understand sin within their faith practices. Here's what he said as he discussed what is and isn't considered " sin: " > > > > > > > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as sin. For example, if you try to rescue people from a burning building but are overcome by the flames to the degree that you simply can't get to them, that does not count as sin against you. If those people died despite your best efforts, their blood is not on your hands. " i.e. In this professor's understanding, we are not held to impossible standards. > > > > > > > > Again, this isn't a commentary on God or sin or what you think about those. This is simply a new concept for me: > > > > > > > > If the standard is impossible, it doesn't count against you if you can't pull it off. > > > > > > > > How completely opposite to the BP world: no matter how insane the expectations, you will be punished and punished severely if you don't meet them. And, you will often be punished if you do because you were " showing off " or " being arrogant. " > > > > > > > > Imagine . . . living in a world where it's not counted against you if you can't pull off the impossible. > > > > > > > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I guess I needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, sometimes, a basic and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never been able to enjoy it? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Karla > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 Fairydancing-- Thank you so much. With every fiber of my late-in-life Pentacostal self, I scream: DON'T LET THAT WOMAN BAPTIZE YOUR CHILDREN!!!! Phew. Thanks for letting me scream that. And, if I may offer my Seminary-trained translation of " god told her what I was supposed to name him and I did not pass the septor " Going back to the original Greek on that one . . . The literal translation of that phrase is: Your mama's crazy! Run away!! Blessings, Karla > > > > > > > > I just finished my first term in school! Yay!!! > > > > > > > > I wanted to share something that got me thinking. Quick disclosure first, though: I am always respectful of people's faith practices. The intent of this isn't to start a discussion about sin or original sin or religious ideals. If I may ask for grace here, please overlook those details because they aren't the point of my story. (Phew). > > > > > > > > The professor was talking about sin and guilt. It was a theology course, so that's required. He was talking about the origin, nature, etc. of sin as Christians understand sin within their faith practices. Here's what he said as he discussed what is and isn't considered " sin: " > > > > > > > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as sin. For example, if you try to rescue people from a burning building but are overcome by the flames to the degree that you simply can't get to them, that does not count as sin against you. If those people died despite your best efforts, their blood is not on your hands. " i.e. In this professor's understanding, we are not held to impossible standards. > > > > > > > > Again, this isn't a commentary on God or sin or what you think about those. This is simply a new concept for me: > > > > > > > > If the standard is impossible, it doesn't count against you if you can't pull it off. > > > > > > > > How completely opposite to the BP world: no matter how insane the expectations, you will be punished and punished severely if you don't meet them. And, you will often be punished if you do because you were " showing off " or " being arrogant. " > > > > > > > > Imagine . . . living in a world where it's not counted against you if you can't pull off the impossible. > > > > > > > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I guess I needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, sometimes, a basic and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never been able to enjoy it? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Karla > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 Fairydancing-- Thank you so much. With every fiber of my late-in-life Pentacostal self, I scream: DON'T LET THAT WOMAN BAPTIZE YOUR CHILDREN!!!! Phew. Thanks for letting me scream that. And, if I may offer my Seminary-trained translation of " god told her what I was supposed to name him and I did not pass the septor " Going back to the original Greek on that one . . . The literal translation of that phrase is: Your mama's crazy! Run away!! Blessings, Karla > > > > > > > > I just finished my first term in school! Yay!!! > > > > > > > > I wanted to share something that got me thinking. Quick disclosure first, though: I am always respectful of people's faith practices. The intent of this isn't to start a discussion about sin or original sin or religious ideals. If I may ask for grace here, please overlook those details because they aren't the point of my story. (Phew). > > > > > > > > The professor was talking about sin and guilt. It was a theology course, so that's required. He was talking about the origin, nature, etc. of sin as Christians understand sin within their faith practices. Here's what he said as he discussed what is and isn't considered " sin: " > > > > > > > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as sin. For example, if you try to rescue people from a burning building but are overcome by the flames to the degree that you simply can't get to them, that does not count as sin against you. If those people died despite your best efforts, their blood is not on your hands. " i.e. In this professor's understanding, we are not held to impossible standards. > > > > > > > > Again, this isn't a commentary on God or sin or what you think about those. This is simply a new concept for me: > > > > > > > > If the standard is impossible, it doesn't count against you if you can't pull it off. > > > > > > > > How completely opposite to the BP world: no matter how insane the expectations, you will be punished and punished severely if you don't meet them. And, you will often be punished if you do because you were " showing off " or " being arrogant. " > > > > > > > > Imagine . . . living in a world where it's not counted against you if you can't pull off the impossible. > > > > > > > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I guess I needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, sometimes, a basic and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never been able to enjoy it? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Karla > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 Excellent cents, Tina. Thanks so much. Go figure. We weren't the problem, after all. Blessings, Karla > > Wanted to share a related thought... > > " For whatever it's worth . . . my parents also did the " God as a weapon " thing. There is even a name for it now--spiritual abuse. " -- <kyjohnson40days@> > > The spiritual abusers in the bible, the Pharisees, were people that Jesus loathed to such a degree that he called them " whited sepulchres. " (matthew 23:27 in case you would like to verify that for yourself.) Jesus was not one to mince words for those who mistreated others. > > Meaning, on the outside they look clean and presentable but on the inside they are full of death and decay. > > What an accurate description of what spiritual abuse does to a perpetrator, you know? When faith ceases to be about loving one's neighbor, but becomes some dark twisted method of control, it ceases to be faith and becomes a maggot-infested deception. Woe to them, indeed. > > Both my cents, > Tina. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 Excellent cents, Tina. Thanks so much. Go figure. We weren't the problem, after all. Blessings, Karla > > Wanted to share a related thought... > > " For whatever it's worth . . . my parents also did the " God as a weapon " thing. There is even a name for it now--spiritual abuse. " -- <kyjohnson40days@> > > The spiritual abusers in the bible, the Pharisees, were people that Jesus loathed to such a degree that he called them " whited sepulchres. " (matthew 23:27 in case you would like to verify that for yourself.) Jesus was not one to mince words for those who mistreated others. > > Meaning, on the outside they look clean and presentable but on the inside they are full of death and decay. > > What an accurate description of what spiritual abuse does to a perpetrator, you know? When faith ceases to be about loving one's neighbor, but becomes some dark twisted method of control, it ceases to be faith and becomes a maggot-infested deception. Woe to them, indeed. > > Both my cents, > Tina. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 haha,I thought my original Greek translation was correct thanks for clarifying;) > > > > > > > > > > I just finished my first term in school! Yay!!! > > > > > > > > > > I wanted to share something that got me thinking. Quick disclosure first, though: I am always respectful of people's faith practices. The intent of this isn't to start a discussion about sin or original sin or religious ideals. If I may ask for grace here, please overlook those details because they aren't the point of my story. (Phew). > > > > > > > > > > The professor was talking about sin and guilt. It was a theology course, so that's required. He was talking about the origin, nature, etc. of sin as Christians understand sin within their faith practices. Here's what he said as he discussed what is and isn't considered " sin: " > > > > > > > > > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as sin. For example, if you try to rescue people from a burning building but are overcome by the flames to the degree that you simply can't get to them, that does not count as sin against you. If those people died despite your best efforts, their blood is not on your hands. " i.e. In this professor's understanding, we are not held to impossible standards. > > > > > > > > > > Again, this isn't a commentary on God or sin or what you think about those. This is simply a new concept for me: > > > > > > > > > > If the standard is impossible, it doesn't count against you if you can't pull it off. > > > > > > > > > > How completely opposite to the BP world: no matter how insane the expectations, you will be punished and punished severely if you don't meet them. And, you will often be punished if you do because you were " showing off " or " being arrogant. " > > > > > > > > > > Imagine . . . living in a world where it's not counted against you if you can't pull off the impossible. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I guess I needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, sometimes, a basic and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never been able to enjoy it? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Karla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 haha,I thought my original Greek translation was correct thanks for clarifying;) > > > > > > > > > > I just finished my first term in school! Yay!!! > > > > > > > > > > I wanted to share something that got me thinking. Quick disclosure first, though: I am always respectful of people's faith practices. The intent of this isn't to start a discussion about sin or original sin or religious ideals. If I may ask for grace here, please overlook those details because they aren't the point of my story. (Phew). > > > > > > > > > > The professor was talking about sin and guilt. It was a theology course, so that's required. He was talking about the origin, nature, etc. of sin as Christians understand sin within their faith practices. Here's what he said as he discussed what is and isn't considered " sin: " > > > > > > > > > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as sin. For example, if you try to rescue people from a burning building but are overcome by the flames to the degree that you simply can't get to them, that does not count as sin against you. If those people died despite your best efforts, their blood is not on your hands. " i.e. In this professor's understanding, we are not held to impossible standards. > > > > > > > > > > Again, this isn't a commentary on God or sin or what you think about those. This is simply a new concept for me: > > > > > > > > > > If the standard is impossible, it doesn't count against you if you can't pull it off. > > > > > > > > > > How completely opposite to the BP world: no matter how insane the expectations, you will be punished and punished severely if you don't meet them. And, you will often be punished if you do because you were " showing off " or " being arrogant. " > > > > > > > > > > Imagine . . . living in a world where it's not counted against you if you can't pull off the impossible. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I guess I needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, sometimes, a basic and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never been able to enjoy it? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Karla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 haha,I thought my original Greek translation was correct thanks for clarifying;) > > > > > > > > > > I just finished my first term in school! Yay!!! > > > > > > > > > > I wanted to share something that got me thinking. Quick disclosure first, though: I am always respectful of people's faith practices. The intent of this isn't to start a discussion about sin or original sin or religious ideals. If I may ask for grace here, please overlook those details because they aren't the point of my story. (Phew). > > > > > > > > > > The professor was talking about sin and guilt. It was a theology course, so that's required. He was talking about the origin, nature, etc. of sin as Christians understand sin within their faith practices. Here's what he said as he discussed what is and isn't considered " sin: " > > > > > > > > > > " If you are genuinely not able to do something, that is not counted as sin. For example, if you try to rescue people from a burning building but are overcome by the flames to the degree that you simply can't get to them, that does not count as sin against you. If those people died despite your best efforts, their blood is not on your hands. " i.e. In this professor's understanding, we are not held to impossible standards. > > > > > > > > > > Again, this isn't a commentary on God or sin or what you think about those. This is simply a new concept for me: > > > > > > > > > > If the standard is impossible, it doesn't count against you if you can't pull it off. > > > > > > > > > > How completely opposite to the BP world: no matter how insane the expectations, you will be punished and punished severely if you don't meet them. And, you will often be punished if you do because you were " showing off " or " being arrogant. " > > > > > > > > > > Imagine . . . living in a world where it's not counted against you if you can't pull off the impossible. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your grace on this one--the thought has really stuck with me, and I needed to " speak " it out to the friends who understand. I guess I needed support and an understanding ear. You know how, sometimes, a basic and easy truth hurts your feelings when you've never been able to enjoy it? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Karla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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