Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 Wow, Katcha! I love your warrior spirit! I will go to those links - thank you - but your aggressive stance on this was totally heartwarming! Soap box all you want, girl! April I have found that the bulk of the medical profession is definitely stuck in DIET MENTALITY. Even a couple of nurse practioners who I've seen listen to what I've said about IE, but I can tell by the look on their faces (one actually smirked!) that they won't 'believe it until they see 'results'. I am of my own opinion that the push towards THIN THIN THIN is WRONG WRONG WRONG. It seems obvious to me that a 'thin' body has NO RESERVES with which to fight any challenge to it. Yes, that 'reserve' need not be so overwhelming that it becomes a source of 'challenge' (extra pressure, unbalanced body chemistry etc.) itself. However I do believe that if one could look beneath any 'weight' related studies you would find funding from a diet related industry. I recently heard a respected doctor who practices out of a teaching hospital say that older patients with HIGH cholesterol live longer than those with low numbers. I can well believe that - we knew a woman in her mid 90s who was thin as a whip but had high cholesterol numbers - she live to 102. My own grandmothers always had 'matronly' figures and to 89 and 102. My mother fought her weight all her life and died at 54. Go figure.Sorry to have soap boxed on ya'll, but doctor visits & weight grind my teeth! If you haven't already read these, go to the FILES link at this group site and look in the IE and doctor visits section. There you will find - Health at every size (give me Queen Latifha over Angelina Jolie anyday!), Letter to Doctor.doc, & Questions to ask when looking for an IE friendly doctor.doc . You need and deserve medical professionals that support YOU. Medicine is a SERVICE, not a religion ;-)BEST to you, KatchaIEing since March 2007 >> Hi, all. > I just got chewed out this afternoon by my doctor about being fat. She's > an oncologist - I had breast cancer two years ago - and she went on about > how I have to go on a diet because if I don't I will get cancer again and > die. She's well intentioned, if emotionally insensitive, and I tried not to > let it get to me, but I came home and felt awful. I didn't want to explain > to her all my eating issues and what I'm trying to do with IE because I'm > certain she wouldn't understand. > Anyone want to share how they deal with doctors?> April>------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 Wow, Katcha! I love your warrior spirit! I will go to those links - thank you - but your aggressive stance on this was totally heartwarming! Soap box all you want, girl! April I have found that the bulk of the medical profession is definitely stuck in DIET MENTALITY. Even a couple of nurse practioners who I've seen listen to what I've said about IE, but I can tell by the look on their faces (one actually smirked!) that they won't 'believe it until they see 'results'. I am of my own opinion that the push towards THIN THIN THIN is WRONG WRONG WRONG. It seems obvious to me that a 'thin' body has NO RESERVES with which to fight any challenge to it. Yes, that 'reserve' need not be so overwhelming that it becomes a source of 'challenge' (extra pressure, unbalanced body chemistry etc.) itself. However I do believe that if one could look beneath any 'weight' related studies you would find funding from a diet related industry. I recently heard a respected doctor who practices out of a teaching hospital say that older patients with HIGH cholesterol live longer than those with low numbers. I can well believe that - we knew a woman in her mid 90s who was thin as a whip but had high cholesterol numbers - she live to 102. My own grandmothers always had 'matronly' figures and to 89 and 102. My mother fought her weight all her life and died at 54. Go figure.Sorry to have soap boxed on ya'll, but doctor visits & weight grind my teeth! If you haven't already read these, go to the FILES link at this group site and look in the IE and doctor visits section. There you will find - Health at every size (give me Queen Latifha over Angelina Jolie anyday!), Letter to Doctor.doc, & Questions to ask when looking for an IE friendly doctor.doc . You need and deserve medical professionals that support YOU. Medicine is a SERVICE, not a religion ;-)BEST to you, KatchaIEing since March 2007 >> Hi, all. > I just got chewed out this afternoon by my doctor about being fat. She's > an oncologist - I had breast cancer two years ago - and she went on about > how I have to go on a diet because if I don't I will get cancer again and > die. She's well intentioned, if emotionally insensitive, and I tried not to > let it get to me, but I came home and felt awful. I didn't want to explain > to her all my eating issues and what I'm trying to do with IE because I'm > certain she wouldn't understand. > Anyone want to share how they deal with doctors?> April>------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 Thanks, . You're a great role model. It's new for me to imagine that I'm okay at this weight, and still hard for me to stand up to a doctor about it. I'm going to work on following the examples of the brave women in this community. I'd love to get to the point where I can say: "I understand your concerns and appreciate your giving me the best advice you have to offer, but ultimately what I eat and what I weigh will have to be my business since nothing in the diet industry has ever been shown to work." April My endocrinologist asked me what I eat. I said, "Well, my husband's Korean, so we eat a blend of American and Korean food. We go through phases where we eat mostly Korean, then mostly American, then back to Korean."She didn't ask for amounts. She didn't ask what kind of rice we eat, nothing like that. She said, "You need to quit eating rice."And she was also Korean, which amused me to no end. (A meal is NOT a meal without rice in Korea.)I looked straight at her and laughed. I said, "I'll TELL you I'm going to quit eating rice, but I'm lying. I like my brown rice, and I'm going to continue to eat it."She did some backtracking about how brown rice was OK, she guessed.I guess my way of dealing with doctors is being a pain in the butt. Subject: doctorsTo: intuitiveeating_support Date: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 6:29 PM Hi, all. I just got chewed out this afternoon by my doctor about being fat. She's an oncologist - I had breast cancer two years ago - and she went on about how I have to go on a diet because if I don't I will get cancer again and die. She's well intentioned, if emotionally insensitive, and I tried not to let it get to me, but I came home and felt awful. I didn't want to explain to her all my eating issues and what I'm trying to do with IE because I'm certain she wouldn't understand. Anyone want to share how they deal with doctors? April Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 Thanks, . You're a great role model. It's new for me to imagine that I'm okay at this weight, and still hard for me to stand up to a doctor about it. I'm going to work on following the examples of the brave women in this community. I'd love to get to the point where I can say: "I understand your concerns and appreciate your giving me the best advice you have to offer, but ultimately what I eat and what I weigh will have to be my business since nothing in the diet industry has ever been shown to work." April My endocrinologist asked me what I eat. I said, "Well, my husband's Korean, so we eat a blend of American and Korean food. We go through phases where we eat mostly Korean, then mostly American, then back to Korean."She didn't ask for amounts. She didn't ask what kind of rice we eat, nothing like that. She said, "You need to quit eating rice."And she was also Korean, which amused me to no end. (A meal is NOT a meal without rice in Korea.)I looked straight at her and laughed. I said, "I'll TELL you I'm going to quit eating rice, but I'm lying. I like my brown rice, and I'm going to continue to eat it."She did some backtracking about how brown rice was OK, she guessed.I guess my way of dealing with doctors is being a pain in the butt. Subject: doctorsTo: intuitiveeating_support Date: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 6:29 PM Hi, all. I just got chewed out this afternoon by my doctor about being fat. She's an oncologist - I had breast cancer two years ago - and she went on about how I have to go on a diet because if I don't I will get cancer again and die. She's well intentioned, if emotionally insensitive, and I tried not to let it get to me, but I came home and felt awful. I didn't want to explain to her all my eating issues and what I'm trying to do with IE because I'm certain she wouldn't understand. Anyone want to share how they deal with doctors? April Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 , I think you are being totally up front and honest. I am currently eating less wheat (may be sensitive to it) so if it weren't for rice (brown preferred too) and potatoes, I'd too soon be carb craving for sure! Again, we need to remind ourselves that the medical profession is a SERVICE one. They are there to help us, not dictate to us. Standing one's ground is hardly being a pain in the rear. Good for you. Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > I looked straight at her and laughed. I said, " I'll TELL you I'm going to quit eating rice, but I'm lying. I like my brown rice, and I'm going to continue to eat it. " > I guess my way of dealing with doctors is being a pain in the butt. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 The only thing I understand about an 'all white rice diet' is a danger of Beriberi which is a thiamine deficiency. But seeing how green veggies contain some B1, my guess is that wouldn't be a problem for the Chinese! I enjoy some white rice when we eat at a favorite Japanese restaurant, but overall we prefer brown rice at home. Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > > > > >Subject: doctors > >To: intuitiveeating_support > >Date: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 6:29 PM > > > > > > > >Hi, all. > > I just got chewed out this afternoon by my doctor about being fat. She's an > >oncologist - I had breast cancer two years ago - and she went on about how I > >have to go on a diet because if I don't I will get cancer again and die. She's > >well intentioned, if emotionally insensitive, and I tried not to let it get to > >me, but I came home and felt awful. I didn't want to explain to her all my > >eating issues and what I'm trying to do with IE because I'm certain she > >wouldn't understand. > > > > Anyone want to share how they deal with doctors? > >April > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 The only thing I understand about an 'all white rice diet' is a danger of Beriberi which is a thiamine deficiency. But seeing how green veggies contain some B1, my guess is that wouldn't be a problem for the Chinese! I enjoy some white rice when we eat at a favorite Japanese restaurant, but overall we prefer brown rice at home. Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > > > > >Subject: doctors > >To: intuitiveeating_support > >Date: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 6:29 PM > > > > > > > >Hi, all. > > I just got chewed out this afternoon by my doctor about being fat. She's an > >oncologist - I had breast cancer two years ago - and she went on about how I > >have to go on a diet because if I don't I will get cancer again and die. She's > >well intentioned, if emotionally insensitive, and I tried not to let it get to > >me, but I came home and felt awful. I didn't want to explain to her all my > >eating issues and what I'm trying to do with IE because I'm certain she > >wouldn't understand. > > > > Anyone want to share how they deal with doctors? > >April > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 The only thing I understand about an 'all white rice diet' is a danger of Beriberi which is a thiamine deficiency. But seeing how green veggies contain some B1, my guess is that wouldn't be a problem for the Chinese! I enjoy some white rice when we eat at a favorite Japanese restaurant, but overall we prefer brown rice at home. Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > > > > >Subject: doctors > >To: intuitiveeating_support > >Date: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 6:29 PM > > > > > > > >Hi, all. > > I just got chewed out this afternoon by my doctor about being fat. She's an > >oncologist - I had breast cancer two years ago - and she went on about how I > >have to go on a diet because if I don't I will get cancer again and die. She's > >well intentioned, if emotionally insensitive, and I tried not to let it get to > >me, but I came home and felt awful. I didn't want to explain to her all my > >eating issues and what I'm trying to do with IE because I'm certain she > >wouldn't understand. > > > > Anyone want to share how they deal with doctors? > >April > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 (responses below) - Katcha >We all have to remember that the people making the recommendations > that create " standards of practice " for health professionals are the > people making money off the very lucrative dieting industry and the > very lucrative cholesterol-lowering drug industry. That's my understanding too. Too many 'studies' are bought and paid for before any research is started. >And I can tell you, as a healthcare professional myself, that you get > judged very harshly when you step outside these " standards of > practice. " I became an RN but chose not to work in the medical field. I don't feel that health can be 'delivered' by an institution, one has to do the healthy living part themselves. Good information is helpful, but the suggestions are choices one makes for themselves. > I would highly recommend as part of the IE journey, focusing good > effort on accepting and loving yourself as you are now. If ya don't know 'what and where' ya are, how can ya make any improvements?!? > I like to tell my doctors that I don't diet, pure and simple. BRAVO for you! Time to get that cart back behind the horse - for everyone :-) Cheers Sara - Katcha IEing since March 2007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 PS - Sara, like you I am about the same weight now as when I began IE. I initially gained some weight in the legalizing process (chocolate was my target food), but even though I haven't looked at a scale in years (turn back on doctor's scale and tell nurse to NOT say the #), I am wearing the same clothes now that I did 4 years ago. To me that is happy making enough and should be happy for any doctor too, especially as I'm 60 and definitely in the 'heavier' part of my life. I also had GREAT lab results last annual exam and my NP agreed to let me give 1/2 dose of cholesterol meds a try for 3 months. Labs came back A okay then too which I credit to IE. ehugs, Katcha IEing since March 2007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 Yea April!!! > I'd love to get to the point where I can say: > > " I understand your concerns and appreciate your giving me the best advice > you have to offer, but ultimately what I eat and what I weigh will have to > be my business since nothing in the diet industry has ever been shown to > work. " > April Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 Yea April!!! > I'd love to get to the point where I can say: > > " I understand your concerns and appreciate your giving me the best advice > you have to offer, but ultimately what I eat and what I weigh will have to > be my business since nothing in the diet industry has ever been shown to > work. " > April Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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