Guest guest Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 , I'm in college right now too. I think what the professor is doing in so unfair. He should have punished the three girls talking by making them leave the class while he taught the ones who wanted to learn, not punished the whole class. And it seems a whole lot elementary for him to do that. I mean, I get aggravated with my son's teacher. He is in 3rd grade and if one kid is talking, she'll cut out their recess. Whatever happened to the person who caused the offense being punished? On the extreme end, what if we all got punished for someone else's crime? I think you're in a really tough spot. I would go to him if he said he'd dole out more punishment. I would either study your butt off and attempt to learn it on your own or withdraw if that's still an option. If this is the beginning of class and this professor is this much of a jerk, he is probably going to do other things to annoy you that might affect your grade later on. I don't know that administration will help to be honest. There is a professor at my college who is notorious for failing nursing students. People have literally gone as far up the chain to complain about this woman as possible and they do nothing. She has the most complaints on ratemyprofesoor.com than anyone I have ever seen. And yet they keep her. Getting a professor in trouble is almost impossible unless they're doing something illegal. Collage class Hello, First, I would like to say sorry for being missing these past few days. The workload for school is heavy and I have been busy. I am reading as many e-mails as I can but have very little time to respond. I need the wisdom of the wonderful people here once again. Something happened in a class today and I am not sure which of my reactions are fleas and which are sound. Here is the story. My sociology professor made it clear on the first day of class that side conversations would not be tolerated and would " effect the grade of everyone in the class " . I assumed he meant the obvious that if he had to stop class to deal with it we would be missing out a little. Today three girls were having a conversation during class. He stopped the class, told them to teach the rest, and we will have an exam on Tuesday on the information he did not cover unless the girls agree to withdraw from the class. He walked out. The girls involved claimed to just be asking for clarification on notes and would go talk to him. When they left a student in front of them said they were talking for 30 minutes. Most students left but 7 of us stayed to see if he came back. He did not. We went to his office to see if there is anything we can do as we are all very concerned with our grades. He claimed to be sorry but said this is how it has to be. Not only do we have to worry about the exam but we are missing vital pieces of information about research methods that we will need throughout the course. I am having the classes paid for through a government program that requires good grades and attendance. I brought this up to him that this could effect my funding and his reaction was an oh well type reaction. I have 4 options on how to handle this. 1) Research the remainder of the information on my own and hopefully learn enough to pass the exam. This would save my grade for now but I am left knowing that he will continue to handle other's misbehavior by punishing all the class which could still effect my grades later on. 2) Confront him directly either through e-mail or in person. He has been very adamant that he will not change his mind and I fear this will cause him to punish me or the class further. 3) Go to the school administration with the complaint. He has been a professor their for a very long time and is a master in his field. He has done things like this many times before so I fear that they support or at least tolerate this behavior. 4) Withdraw from the class and take it later with a different professor. This is dependent that I can later fit the class into my schedule with the other professor and that the school will permit it at this time. I have a very hard time letting go of thing that I strongly feel are unethical and this fits the bill. I work very hard and don't feel that I should be punished with loss of grades for other's behavior. I am trying to decide on the best course of action. I just can't seem to figure out what feelings are fleas and what might be practical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 Wow. I'd be going over his head if he's serious. Bottom line is that you are paying a lot for your education, and the whole class is being unfairly treated because of a few girls. Unless this is some kind of social learning excercise, he can take his superior attitude and shove it. That said....he is a sociology professor. It would be interesting if it was his way of teaching the class in a very profound " real life " example. Maybe his idea is that you write a paper (as the exam) or think about the consequences of a few girls and how it impacts the class. Take a look at it from a real world example...how do the actions of a few impact society as a whole? If he truly is a master in his field and has pulled stunts like this before, maybe it's a learning excercise. The more I think about it, the more I wonder if this is what he is doing. University isn't just about learning what is put in front of you and regurgitating it, it's about thiking critically and applying what you've learned to the real world. > > Hello, > > First, I would like to say sorry for being missing these past few days. The > workload for school is heavy and I have been busy. I am reading as many > e-mails as I can but have very little time to respond. > > I need the wisdom of the wonderful people here once again. Something > happened in a class today and I am not sure which of my reactions are fleas > and which are sound. Here is the story. > > My sociology professor made it clear on the first day of class that side > conversations would not be tolerated and would " effect the grade of everyone > in the class " . I assumed he meant the obvious that if he had to stop class > to deal with it we would be missing out a little. Today three girls were > having a conversation during class. He stopped the class, told them to > teach the rest, and we will have an exam on Tuesday on the information he > did not cover unless the girls agree to withdraw from the class. He walked > out. The girls involved claimed to just be asking for clarification on > notes and would go talk to him. When they left a student in front of them > said they were talking for 30 minutes. Most students left but 7 of us > stayed to see if he came back. He did not. We went to his office to see if > there is anything we can do as we are all very concerned with our grades. > He claimed to be sorry but said this is how it has to be. Not only do we > have to worry about the exam but we are missing vital pieces of information > about research methods that we will need throughout the course. I am having > the classes paid for through a government program that requires good grades > and attendance. I brought this up to him that this could effect my funding > and his reaction was an oh well type reaction. > > I have 4 options on how to handle this. > > 1) Research the remainder of the information on my own and hopefully learn > enough to pass the exam. This would save my grade for now but I am left > knowing that he will continue to handle other's misbehavior by punishing all > the class which could still effect my grades later on. > 2) Confront him directly either through e-mail or in person. He has been > very adamant that he will not change his mind and I fear this will cause him > to punish me or the class further. > 3) Go to the school administration with the complaint. He has been a > professor their for a very long time and is a master in his field. He has > done things like this many times before so I fear that they support or at > least tolerate this behavior. > 4) Withdraw from the class and take it later with a different professor. > This is dependent that I can later fit the class into my schedule with the > other professor and that the school will permit it at this time. > > I have a very hard time letting go of thing that I strongly feel are > unethical and this fits the bill. I work very hard and don't feel that I > should be punished with loss of grades for other's behavior. I am trying to > decide on the best course of action. I just can't seem to figure out what > feelings are fleas and what might be practical. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 Wow. I'd be going over his head if he's serious. Bottom line is that you are paying a lot for your education, and the whole class is being unfairly treated because of a few girls. Unless this is some kind of social learning excercise, he can take his superior attitude and shove it. That said....he is a sociology professor. It would be interesting if it was his way of teaching the class in a very profound " real life " example. Maybe his idea is that you write a paper (as the exam) or think about the consequences of a few girls and how it impacts the class. Take a look at it from a real world example...how do the actions of a few impact society as a whole? If he truly is a master in his field and has pulled stunts like this before, maybe it's a learning excercise. The more I think about it, the more I wonder if this is what he is doing. University isn't just about learning what is put in front of you and regurgitating it, it's about thiking critically and applying what you've learned to the real world. > > Hello, > > First, I would like to say sorry for being missing these past few days. The > workload for school is heavy and I have been busy. I am reading as many > e-mails as I can but have very little time to respond. > > I need the wisdom of the wonderful people here once again. Something > happened in a class today and I am not sure which of my reactions are fleas > and which are sound. Here is the story. > > My sociology professor made it clear on the first day of class that side > conversations would not be tolerated and would " effect the grade of everyone > in the class " . I assumed he meant the obvious that if he had to stop class > to deal with it we would be missing out a little. Today three girls were > having a conversation during class. He stopped the class, told them to > teach the rest, and we will have an exam on Tuesday on the information he > did not cover unless the girls agree to withdraw from the class. He walked > out. The girls involved claimed to just be asking for clarification on > notes and would go talk to him. When they left a student in front of them > said they were talking for 30 minutes. Most students left but 7 of us > stayed to see if he came back. He did not. We went to his office to see if > there is anything we can do as we are all very concerned with our grades. > He claimed to be sorry but said this is how it has to be. Not only do we > have to worry about the exam but we are missing vital pieces of information > about research methods that we will need throughout the course. I am having > the classes paid for through a government program that requires good grades > and attendance. I brought this up to him that this could effect my funding > and his reaction was an oh well type reaction. > > I have 4 options on how to handle this. > > 1) Research the remainder of the information on my own and hopefully learn > enough to pass the exam. This would save my grade for now but I am left > knowing that he will continue to handle other's misbehavior by punishing all > the class which could still effect my grades later on. > 2) Confront him directly either through e-mail or in person. He has been > very adamant that he will not change his mind and I fear this will cause him > to punish me or the class further. > 3) Go to the school administration with the complaint. He has been a > professor their for a very long time and is a master in his field. He has > done things like this many times before so I fear that they support or at > least tolerate this behavior. > 4) Withdraw from the class and take it later with a different professor. > This is dependent that I can later fit the class into my schedule with the > other professor and that the school will permit it at this time. > > I have a very hard time letting go of thing that I strongly feel are > unethical and this fits the bill. I work very hard and don't feel that I > should be punished with loss of grades for other's behavior. I am trying to > decide on the best course of action. I just can't seem to figure out what > feelings are fleas and what might be practical. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 Wow. I'd be going over his head if he's serious. Bottom line is that you are paying a lot for your education, and the whole class is being unfairly treated because of a few girls. Unless this is some kind of social learning excercise, he can take his superior attitude and shove it. That said....he is a sociology professor. It would be interesting if it was his way of teaching the class in a very profound " real life " example. Maybe his idea is that you write a paper (as the exam) or think about the consequences of a few girls and how it impacts the class. Take a look at it from a real world example...how do the actions of a few impact society as a whole? If he truly is a master in his field and has pulled stunts like this before, maybe it's a learning excercise. The more I think about it, the more I wonder if this is what he is doing. University isn't just about learning what is put in front of you and regurgitating it, it's about thiking critically and applying what you've learned to the real world. > > Hello, > > First, I would like to say sorry for being missing these past few days. The > workload for school is heavy and I have been busy. I am reading as many > e-mails as I can but have very little time to respond. > > I need the wisdom of the wonderful people here once again. Something > happened in a class today and I am not sure which of my reactions are fleas > and which are sound. Here is the story. > > My sociology professor made it clear on the first day of class that side > conversations would not be tolerated and would " effect the grade of everyone > in the class " . I assumed he meant the obvious that if he had to stop class > to deal with it we would be missing out a little. Today three girls were > having a conversation during class. He stopped the class, told them to > teach the rest, and we will have an exam on Tuesday on the information he > did not cover unless the girls agree to withdraw from the class. He walked > out. The girls involved claimed to just be asking for clarification on > notes and would go talk to him. When they left a student in front of them > said they were talking for 30 minutes. Most students left but 7 of us > stayed to see if he came back. He did not. We went to his office to see if > there is anything we can do as we are all very concerned with our grades. > He claimed to be sorry but said this is how it has to be. Not only do we > have to worry about the exam but we are missing vital pieces of information > about research methods that we will need throughout the course. I am having > the classes paid for through a government program that requires good grades > and attendance. I brought this up to him that this could effect my funding > and his reaction was an oh well type reaction. > > I have 4 options on how to handle this. > > 1) Research the remainder of the information on my own and hopefully learn > enough to pass the exam. This would save my grade for now but I am left > knowing that he will continue to handle other's misbehavior by punishing all > the class which could still effect my grades later on. > 2) Confront him directly either through e-mail or in person. He has been > very adamant that he will not change his mind and I fear this will cause him > to punish me or the class further. > 3) Go to the school administration with the complaint. He has been a > professor their for a very long time and is a master in his field. He has > done things like this many times before so I fear that they support or at > least tolerate this behavior. > 4) Withdraw from the class and take it later with a different professor. > This is dependent that I can later fit the class into my schedule with the > other professor and that the school will permit it at this time. > > I have a very hard time letting go of thing that I strongly feel are > unethical and this fits the bill. I work very hard and don't feel that I > should be punished with loss of grades for other's behavior. I am trying to > decide on the best course of action. I just can't seem to figure out what > feelings are fleas and what might be practical. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 Wow..I a got half way thru your e-mail and my " nutbag " meeter went sky high..NUTBAG definitely! This man not only sounds controlling but insecure, inconsiderate and definitely unreasonable. What a wacko..like you really needs this right now! I would find his superiores and deal with them. You don't need to be walking on eggshells with this guy too. Can you fond a way to change classes?...maybe take another course now and then take this course when a different professor teaches ? Hope this works out for you and you dont have to put up with that behavior. Stefanie On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:31 PM, Simpson wrote: > > > Hello, > > First, I would like to say sorry for being missing these past few days. The > workload for school is heavy and I have been busy. I am reading as many > e-mails as I can but have very little time to respond. > > I need the wisdom of the wonderful people here once again. Something > happened in a class today and I am not sure which of my reactions are fleas > and which are sound. Here is the story. > > My sociology professor made it clear on the first day of class that side > conversations would not be tolerated and would " effect the grade of > everyone > in the class " . I assumed he meant the obvious that if he had to stop class > to deal with it we would be missing out a little. Today three girls were > having a conversation during class. He stopped the class, told them to > teach the rest, and we will have an exam on Tuesday on the information he > did not cover unless the girls agree to withdraw from the class. He walked > out. The girls involved claimed to just be asking for clarification on > notes and would go talk to him. When they left a student in front of them > said they were talking for 30 minutes. Most students left but 7 of us > stayed to see if he came back. He did not. We went to his office to see if > there is anything we can do as we are all very concerned with our grades. > He claimed to be sorry but said this is how it has to be. Not only do we > have to worry about the exam but we are missing vital pieces of information > about research methods that we will need throughout the course. I am having > the classes paid for through a government program that requires good grades > and attendance. I brought this up to him that this could effect my funding > and his reaction was an oh well type reaction. > > I have 4 options on how to handle this. > > 1) Research the remainder of the information on my own and hopefully learn > enough to pass the exam. This would save my grade for now but I am left > knowing that he will continue to handle other's misbehavior by punishing > all > the class which could still effect my grades later on. > 2) Confront him directly either through e-mail or in person. He has been > very adamant that he will not change his mind and I fear this will cause > him > to punish me or the class further. > 3) Go to the school administration with the complaint. He has been a > professor their for a very long time and is a master in his field. He has > done things like this many times before so I fear that they support or at > least tolerate this behavior. > 4) Withdraw from the class and take it later with a different professor. > This is dependent that I can later fit the class into my schedule with the > other professor and that the school will permit it at this time. > > I have a very hard time letting go of thing that I strongly feel are > unethical and this fits the bill. I work very hard and don't feel that I > should be punished with loss of grades for other's behavior. I am trying to > decide on the best course of action. I just can't seem to figure out what > feelings are fleas and what might be practical. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 Maybe, but I took a sociology class at university and my professor didn't do that. Your professor could demonstrate whatever point it is he's trying to make without endangering his student's ability to pass the class, in my opinion. Perhaps you could try to find some students who have taken this guy's class before and ask if this is something he does all the time as an object lesson, or if its a weird personality quirk he has and if they experienced it, how did the students in their class resolve the issue. As a student I used to interview older students and ask them who they recommended for certain classes and that way I was able to avoid the known nut-jobs. (Unlike in grade school and high school where there was no choice, and boy, did I have some whack job elementary school and high school teachers!) -Annie > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > First, I would like to say sorry for being missing these past few days. The > > > workload for school is heavy and I have been busy. I am reading as many > > > e-mails as I can but have very little time to respond. > > > > > > I need the wisdom of the wonderful people here once again. Something > > > happened in a class today and I am not sure which of my reactions are fleas > > > and which are sound. Here is the story. > > > > > > My sociology professor made it clear on the first day of class that side > > > conversations would not be tolerated and would " effect the grade of everyone > > > in the class " . I assumed he meant the obvious that if he had to stop class > > > to deal with it we would be missing out a little. Today three girls were > > > having a conversation during class. He stopped the class, told them to > > > teach the rest, and we will have an exam on Tuesday on the information he > > > did not cover unless the girls agree to withdraw from the class. He walked > > > out. The girls involved claimed to just be asking for clarification on > > > notes and would go talk to him. When they left a student in front of them > > > said they were talking for 30 minutes. Most students left but 7 of us > > > stayed to see if he came back. He did not. We went to his office to see if > > > there is anything we can do as we are all very concerned with our grades. > > > He claimed to be sorry but said this is how it has to be. Not only do we > > > have to worry about the exam but we are missing vital pieces of information > > > about research methods that we will need throughout the course. I am having > > > the classes paid for through a government program that requires good grades > > > and attendance. I brought this up to him that this could effect my funding > > > and his reaction was an oh well type reaction. > > > > > > I have 4 options on how to handle this. > > > > > > 1) Research the remainder of the information on my own and hopefully learn > > > enough to pass the exam. This would save my grade for now but I am left > > > knowing that he will continue to handle other's misbehavior by punishing all > > > the class which could still effect my grades later on. > > > 2) Confront him directly either through e-mail or in person. He has been > > > very adamant that he will not change his mind and I fear this will cause him > > > to punish me or the class further. > > > 3) Go to the school administration with the complaint. He has been a > > > professor their for a very long time and is a master in his field. He has > > > done things like this many times before so I fear that they support or at > > > least tolerate this behavior. > > > 4) Withdraw from the class and take it later with a different professor. > > > This is dependent that I can later fit the class into my schedule with the > > > other professor and that the school will permit it at this time. > > > > > > I have a very hard time letting go of thing that I strongly feel are > > > unethical and this fits the bill. I work very hard and don't feel that I > > > should be punished with loss of grades for other's behavior. I am trying to > > > decide on the best course of action. I just can't seem to figure out what > > > feelings are fleas and what might be practical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 Maybe, but I took a sociology class at university and my professor didn't do that. Your professor could demonstrate whatever point it is he's trying to make without endangering his student's ability to pass the class, in my opinion. Perhaps you could try to find some students who have taken this guy's class before and ask if this is something he does all the time as an object lesson, or if its a weird personality quirk he has and if they experienced it, how did the students in their class resolve the issue. As a student I used to interview older students and ask them who they recommended for certain classes and that way I was able to avoid the known nut-jobs. (Unlike in grade school and high school where there was no choice, and boy, did I have some whack job elementary school and high school teachers!) -Annie > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > First, I would like to say sorry for being missing these past few days. The > > > workload for school is heavy and I have been busy. I am reading as many > > > e-mails as I can but have very little time to respond. > > > > > > I need the wisdom of the wonderful people here once again. Something > > > happened in a class today and I am not sure which of my reactions are fleas > > > and which are sound. Here is the story. > > > > > > My sociology professor made it clear on the first day of class that side > > > conversations would not be tolerated and would " effect the grade of everyone > > > in the class " . I assumed he meant the obvious that if he had to stop class > > > to deal with it we would be missing out a little. Today three girls were > > > having a conversation during class. He stopped the class, told them to > > > teach the rest, and we will have an exam on Tuesday on the information he > > > did not cover unless the girls agree to withdraw from the class. He walked > > > out. The girls involved claimed to just be asking for clarification on > > > notes and would go talk to him. When they left a student in front of them > > > said they were talking for 30 minutes. Most students left but 7 of us > > > stayed to see if he came back. He did not. We went to his office to see if > > > there is anything we can do as we are all very concerned with our grades. > > > He claimed to be sorry but said this is how it has to be. Not only do we > > > have to worry about the exam but we are missing vital pieces of information > > > about research methods that we will need throughout the course. I am having > > > the classes paid for through a government program that requires good grades > > > and attendance. I brought this up to him that this could effect my funding > > > and his reaction was an oh well type reaction. > > > > > > I have 4 options on how to handle this. > > > > > > 1) Research the remainder of the information on my own and hopefully learn > > > enough to pass the exam. This would save my grade for now but I am left > > > knowing that he will continue to handle other's misbehavior by punishing all > > > the class which could still effect my grades later on. > > > 2) Confront him directly either through e-mail or in person. He has been > > > very adamant that he will not change his mind and I fear this will cause him > > > to punish me or the class further. > > > 3) Go to the school administration with the complaint. He has been a > > > professor their for a very long time and is a master in his field. He has > > > done things like this many times before so I fear that they support or at > > > least tolerate this behavior. > > > 4) Withdraw from the class and take it later with a different professor. > > > This is dependent that I can later fit the class into my schedule with the > > > other professor and that the school will permit it at this time. > > > > > > I have a very hard time letting go of thing that I strongly feel are > > > unethical and this fits the bill. I work very hard and don't feel that I > > > should be punished with loss of grades for other's behavior. I am trying to > > > decide on the best course of action. I just can't seem to figure out what > > > feelings are fleas and what might be practical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 Maybe, but I took a sociology class at university and my professor didn't do that. Your professor could demonstrate whatever point it is he's trying to make without endangering his student's ability to pass the class, in my opinion. Perhaps you could try to find some students who have taken this guy's class before and ask if this is something he does all the time as an object lesson, or if its a weird personality quirk he has and if they experienced it, how did the students in their class resolve the issue. As a student I used to interview older students and ask them who they recommended for certain classes and that way I was able to avoid the known nut-jobs. (Unlike in grade school and high school where there was no choice, and boy, did I have some whack job elementary school and high school teachers!) -Annie > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > First, I would like to say sorry for being missing these past few days. The > > > workload for school is heavy and I have been busy. I am reading as many > > > e-mails as I can but have very little time to respond. > > > > > > I need the wisdom of the wonderful people here once again. Something > > > happened in a class today and I am not sure which of my reactions are fleas > > > and which are sound. Here is the story. > > > > > > My sociology professor made it clear on the first day of class that side > > > conversations would not be tolerated and would " effect the grade of everyone > > > in the class " . I assumed he meant the obvious that if he had to stop class > > > to deal with it we would be missing out a little. Today three girls were > > > having a conversation during class. He stopped the class, told them to > > > teach the rest, and we will have an exam on Tuesday on the information he > > > did not cover unless the girls agree to withdraw from the class. He walked > > > out. The girls involved claimed to just be asking for clarification on > > > notes and would go talk to him. When they left a student in front of them > > > said they were talking for 30 minutes. Most students left but 7 of us > > > stayed to see if he came back. He did not. We went to his office to see if > > > there is anything we can do as we are all very concerned with our grades. > > > He claimed to be sorry but said this is how it has to be. Not only do we > > > have to worry about the exam but we are missing vital pieces of information > > > about research methods that we will need throughout the course. I am having > > > the classes paid for through a government program that requires good grades > > > and attendance. I brought this up to him that this could effect my funding > > > and his reaction was an oh well type reaction. > > > > > > I have 4 options on how to handle this. > > > > > > 1) Research the remainder of the information on my own and hopefully learn > > > enough to pass the exam. This would save my grade for now but I am left > > > knowing that he will continue to handle other's misbehavior by punishing all > > > the class which could still effect my grades later on. > > > 2) Confront him directly either through e-mail or in person. He has been > > > very adamant that he will not change his mind and I fear this will cause him > > > to punish me or the class further. > > > 3) Go to the school administration with the complaint. He has been a > > > professor their for a very long time and is a master in his field. He has > > > done things like this many times before so I fear that they support or at > > > least tolerate this behavior. > > > 4) Withdraw from the class and take it later with a different professor. > > > This is dependent that I can later fit the class into my schedule with the > > > other professor and that the school will permit it at this time. > > > > > > I have a very hard time letting go of thing that I strongly feel are > > > unethical and this fits the bill. I work very hard and don't feel that I > > > should be punished with loss of grades for other's behavior. I am trying to > > > decide on the best course of action. I just can't seem to figure out what > > > feelings are fleas and what might be practical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 From what I understand this is a first for him. In 2 other classes when students were talking he threw them out and demanded them to withdraw from the class. He used some inappropriate language but did not go so far to punish the other classmates. When the 7 of us went to his office he kept referring to the class as a single entity. I can't describe it but the tone and body language led one to beleive that he truly saw us all as one. He said thing like " it's sad, you were shaping up to be a good class " . I got the feeling that he was unable to distinguish good student/bad student in the same class. It sounded as if these girls decide to remain that will make the whole class " bad " OMG...I just finished typing that and realized how that seems like splitting. That is the most black and white description I can imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 From what I understand this is a first for him. In 2 other classes when students were talking he threw them out and demanded them to withdraw from the class. He used some inappropriate language but did not go so far to punish the other classmates. When the 7 of us went to his office he kept referring to the class as a single entity. I can't describe it but the tone and body language led one to beleive that he truly saw us all as one. He said thing like " it's sad, you were shaping up to be a good class " . I got the feeling that he was unable to distinguish good student/bad student in the same class. It sounded as if these girls decide to remain that will make the whole class " bad " OMG...I just finished typing that and realized how that seems like splitting. That is the most black and white description I can imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 From what I understand this is a first for him. In 2 other classes when students were talking he threw them out and demanded them to withdraw from the class. He used some inappropriate language but did not go so far to punish the other classmates. When the 7 of us went to his office he kept referring to the class as a single entity. I can't describe it but the tone and body language led one to beleive that he truly saw us all as one. He said thing like " it's sad, you were shaping up to be a good class " . I got the feeling that he was unable to distinguish good student/bad student in the same class. It sounded as if these girls decide to remain that will make the whole class " bad " OMG...I just finished typing that and realized how that seems like splitting. That is the most black and white description I can imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 If you did send him a letter I would send it certified so that you can prove that he actually got the letter. It might help you later. b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 If you did send him a letter I would send it certified so that you can prove that he actually got the letter. It might help you later. b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 If you did send him a letter I would send it certified so that you can prove that he actually got the letter. It might help you later. b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2010 Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 My two cents: That professor is an idiot. You are paying good money to get an education, and he's wasting your time and your money to throw a 2-year-old tantrum. I'm afraid, if one of my professors did that, the administration would be looking at the business end of a hissy fit. Seriously. If he can't do the job you are paying good money for, you have every right to scream and scream loudly. One thought: this professor is nuts and mean. I would avoid any conversations or communications that address him directly. The more you engage him, the meaner he will be. And, the more he will dig in his heels and make your life miserable. Also, he has set you up to fail. If he doesn't succeed with this, going forward and working extra hard will just (potentially) make him up the stakes. My thoughts? Go to the higher ups and complain, complain, complain. I believe they owe it to you to withdraw the class with no financial penalties. If that doesn't feel right, withdraw anyway. Run away, my friend. This is not healthy nor is it sane. You deserve far better. And if you have to, pay for the withdrawal. It will be the best money you ever spent!! This sucks. That professor should be fired, regardless of his previous successes. Blessings, Karla > > Hello, > > First, I would like to say sorry for being missing these past few days. The > workload for school is heavy and I have been busy. I am reading as many > e-mails as I can but have very little time to respond. > > I need the wisdom of the wonderful people here once again. Something > happened in a class today and I am not sure which of my reactions are fleas > and which are sound. Here is the story. > > My sociology professor made it clear on the first day of class that side > conversations would not be tolerated and would " effect the grade of everyone > in the class " . I assumed he meant the obvious that if he had to stop class > to deal with it we would be missing out a little. Today three girls were > having a conversation during class. He stopped the class, told them to > teach the rest, and we will have an exam on Tuesday on the information he > did not cover unless the girls agree to withdraw from the class. He walked > out. The girls involved claimed to just be asking for clarification on > notes and would go talk to him. When they left a student in front of them > said they were talking for 30 minutes. Most students left but 7 of us > stayed to see if he came back. He did not. We went to his office to see if > there is anything we can do as we are all very concerned with our grades. > He claimed to be sorry but said this is how it has to be. Not only do we > have to worry about the exam but we are missing vital pieces of information > about research methods that we will need throughout the course. I am having > the classes paid for through a government program that requires good grades > and attendance. I brought this up to him that this could effect my funding > and his reaction was an oh well type reaction. > > I have 4 options on how to handle this. > > 1) Research the remainder of the information on my own and hopefully learn > enough to pass the exam. This would save my grade for now but I am left > knowing that he will continue to handle other's misbehavior by punishing all > the class which could still effect my grades later on. > 2) Confront him directly either through e-mail or in person. He has been > very adamant that he will not change his mind and I fear this will cause him > to punish me or the class further. > 3) Go to the school administration with the complaint. He has been a > professor their for a very long time and is a master in his field. He has > done things like this many times before so I fear that they support or at > least tolerate this behavior. > 4) Withdraw from the class and take it later with a different professor. > This is dependent that I can later fit the class into my schedule with the > other professor and that the school will permit it at this time. > > I have a very hard time letting go of thing that I strongly feel are > unethical and this fits the bill. I work very hard and don't feel that I > should be punished with loss of grades for other's behavior. I am trying to > decide on the best course of action. I just can't seem to figure out what > feelings are fleas and what might be practical. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2010 Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 My two cents: That professor is an idiot. You are paying good money to get an education, and he's wasting your time and your money to throw a 2-year-old tantrum. I'm afraid, if one of my professors did that, the administration would be looking at the business end of a hissy fit. Seriously. If he can't do the job you are paying good money for, you have every right to scream and scream loudly. One thought: this professor is nuts and mean. I would avoid any conversations or communications that address him directly. The more you engage him, the meaner he will be. And, the more he will dig in his heels and make your life miserable. Also, he has set you up to fail. If he doesn't succeed with this, going forward and working extra hard will just (potentially) make him up the stakes. My thoughts? Go to the higher ups and complain, complain, complain. I believe they owe it to you to withdraw the class with no financial penalties. If that doesn't feel right, withdraw anyway. Run away, my friend. This is not healthy nor is it sane. You deserve far better. And if you have to, pay for the withdrawal. It will be the best money you ever spent!! This sucks. That professor should be fired, regardless of his previous successes. Blessings, Karla > > Hello, > > First, I would like to say sorry for being missing these past few days. The > workload for school is heavy and I have been busy. I am reading as many > e-mails as I can but have very little time to respond. > > I need the wisdom of the wonderful people here once again. Something > happened in a class today and I am not sure which of my reactions are fleas > and which are sound. Here is the story. > > My sociology professor made it clear on the first day of class that side > conversations would not be tolerated and would " effect the grade of everyone > in the class " . I assumed he meant the obvious that if he had to stop class > to deal with it we would be missing out a little. Today three girls were > having a conversation during class. He stopped the class, told them to > teach the rest, and we will have an exam on Tuesday on the information he > did not cover unless the girls agree to withdraw from the class. He walked > out. The girls involved claimed to just be asking for clarification on > notes and would go talk to him. When they left a student in front of them > said they were talking for 30 minutes. Most students left but 7 of us > stayed to see if he came back. He did not. We went to his office to see if > there is anything we can do as we are all very concerned with our grades. > He claimed to be sorry but said this is how it has to be. Not only do we > have to worry about the exam but we are missing vital pieces of information > about research methods that we will need throughout the course. I am having > the classes paid for through a government program that requires good grades > and attendance. I brought this up to him that this could effect my funding > and his reaction was an oh well type reaction. > > I have 4 options on how to handle this. > > 1) Research the remainder of the information on my own and hopefully learn > enough to pass the exam. This would save my grade for now but I am left > knowing that he will continue to handle other's misbehavior by punishing all > the class which could still effect my grades later on. > 2) Confront him directly either through e-mail or in person. He has been > very adamant that he will not change his mind and I fear this will cause him > to punish me or the class further. > 3) Go to the school administration with the complaint. He has been a > professor their for a very long time and is a master in his field. He has > done things like this many times before so I fear that they support or at > least tolerate this behavior. > 4) Withdraw from the class and take it later with a different professor. > This is dependent that I can later fit the class into my schedule with the > other professor and that the school will permit it at this time. > > I have a very hard time letting go of thing that I strongly feel are > unethical and this fits the bill. I work very hard and don't feel that I > should be punished with loss of grades for other's behavior. I am trying to > decide on the best course of action. I just can't seem to figure out what > feelings are fleas and what might be practical. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2010 Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 My two cents: That professor is an idiot. You are paying good money to get an education, and he's wasting your time and your money to throw a 2-year-old tantrum. I'm afraid, if one of my professors did that, the administration would be looking at the business end of a hissy fit. Seriously. If he can't do the job you are paying good money for, you have every right to scream and scream loudly. One thought: this professor is nuts and mean. I would avoid any conversations or communications that address him directly. The more you engage him, the meaner he will be. And, the more he will dig in his heels and make your life miserable. Also, he has set you up to fail. If he doesn't succeed with this, going forward and working extra hard will just (potentially) make him up the stakes. My thoughts? Go to the higher ups and complain, complain, complain. I believe they owe it to you to withdraw the class with no financial penalties. If that doesn't feel right, withdraw anyway. Run away, my friend. This is not healthy nor is it sane. You deserve far better. And if you have to, pay for the withdrawal. It will be the best money you ever spent!! This sucks. That professor should be fired, regardless of his previous successes. Blessings, Karla > > Hello, > > First, I would like to say sorry for being missing these past few days. The > workload for school is heavy and I have been busy. I am reading as many > e-mails as I can but have very little time to respond. > > I need the wisdom of the wonderful people here once again. Something > happened in a class today and I am not sure which of my reactions are fleas > and which are sound. Here is the story. > > My sociology professor made it clear on the first day of class that side > conversations would not be tolerated and would " effect the grade of everyone > in the class " . I assumed he meant the obvious that if he had to stop class > to deal with it we would be missing out a little. Today three girls were > having a conversation during class. He stopped the class, told them to > teach the rest, and we will have an exam on Tuesday on the information he > did not cover unless the girls agree to withdraw from the class. He walked > out. The girls involved claimed to just be asking for clarification on > notes and would go talk to him. When they left a student in front of them > said they were talking for 30 minutes. Most students left but 7 of us > stayed to see if he came back. He did not. We went to his office to see if > there is anything we can do as we are all very concerned with our grades. > He claimed to be sorry but said this is how it has to be. Not only do we > have to worry about the exam but we are missing vital pieces of information > about research methods that we will need throughout the course. I am having > the classes paid for through a government program that requires good grades > and attendance. I brought this up to him that this could effect my funding > and his reaction was an oh well type reaction. > > I have 4 options on how to handle this. > > 1) Research the remainder of the information on my own and hopefully learn > enough to pass the exam. This would save my grade for now but I am left > knowing that he will continue to handle other's misbehavior by punishing all > the class which could still effect my grades later on. > 2) Confront him directly either through e-mail or in person. He has been > very adamant that he will not change his mind and I fear this will cause him > to punish me or the class further. > 3) Go to the school administration with the complaint. He has been a > professor their for a very long time and is a master in his field. He has > done things like this many times before so I fear that they support or at > least tolerate this behavior. > 4) Withdraw from the class and take it later with a different professor. > This is dependent that I can later fit the class into my schedule with the > other professor and that the school will permit it at this time. > > I have a very hard time letting go of thing that I strongly feel are > unethical and this fits the bill. I work very hard and don't feel that I > should be punished with loss of grades for other's behavior. I am trying to > decide on the best course of action. I just can't seem to figure out what > feelings are fleas and what might be practical. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2010 Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 if there is an academic counselor maybe talk to them first. they might be able to give you a feeling for what recourse you might be able to get. i am not sure e-mail is the best way to go, it's too casual for something as important as this, I think face to face or a hard copy is the best way to deal with it. > > Hello, > > First, I would like to say sorry for being missing these past few days. The > workload for school is heavy and I have been busy. I am reading as many > e-mails as I can but have very little time to respond. > > I need the wisdom of the wonderful people here once again. Something > happened in a class today and I am not sure which of my reactions are fleas > and which are sound. Here is the story. > > My sociology professor made it clear on the first day of class that side > conversations would not be tolerated and would " effect the grade of everyone > in the class " . I assumed he meant the obvious that if he had to stop class > to deal with it we would be missing out a little. Today three girls were > having a conversation during class. He stopped the class, told them to > teach the rest, and we will have an exam on Tuesday on the information he > did not cover unless the girls agree to withdraw from the class. He walked > out. The girls involved claimed to just be asking for clarification on > notes and would go talk to him. When they left a student in front of them > said they were talking for 30 minutes. Most students left but 7 of us > stayed to see if he came back. He did not. We went to his office to see if > there is anything we can do as we are all very concerned with our grades. > He claimed to be sorry but said this is how it has to be. Not only do we > have to worry about the exam but we are missing vital pieces of information > about research methods that we will need throughout the course. I am having > the classes paid for through a government program that requires good grades > and attendance. I brought this up to him that this could effect my funding > and his reaction was an oh well type reaction. > > I have 4 options on how to handle this. > > 1) Research the remainder of the information on my own and hopefully learn > enough to pass the exam. This would save my grade for now but I am left > knowing that he will continue to handle other's misbehavior by punishing all > the class which could still effect my grades later on. > 2) Confront him directly either through e-mail or in person. He has been > very adamant that he will not change his mind and I fear this will cause him > to punish me or the class further. > 3) Go to the school administration with the complaint. He has been a > professor their for a very long time and is a master in his field. He has > done things like this many times before so I fear that they support or at > least tolerate this behavior. > 4) Withdraw from the class and take it later with a different professor. > This is dependent that I can later fit the class into my schedule with the > other professor and that the school will permit it at this time. > > I have a very hard time letting go of thing that I strongly feel are > unethical and this fits the bill. I work very hard and don't feel that I > should be punished with loss of grades for other's behavior. I am trying to > decide on the best course of action. I just can't seem to figure out what > feelings are fleas and what might be practical. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2010 Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 if there is an academic counselor maybe talk to them first. they might be able to give you a feeling for what recourse you might be able to get. i am not sure e-mail is the best way to go, it's too casual for something as important as this, I think face to face or a hard copy is the best way to deal with it. > > Hello, > > First, I would like to say sorry for being missing these past few days. The > workload for school is heavy and I have been busy. I am reading as many > e-mails as I can but have very little time to respond. > > I need the wisdom of the wonderful people here once again. Something > happened in a class today and I am not sure which of my reactions are fleas > and which are sound. Here is the story. > > My sociology professor made it clear on the first day of class that side > conversations would not be tolerated and would " effect the grade of everyone > in the class " . I assumed he meant the obvious that if he had to stop class > to deal with it we would be missing out a little. Today three girls were > having a conversation during class. He stopped the class, told them to > teach the rest, and we will have an exam on Tuesday on the information he > did not cover unless the girls agree to withdraw from the class. He walked > out. The girls involved claimed to just be asking for clarification on > notes and would go talk to him. When they left a student in front of them > said they were talking for 30 minutes. Most students left but 7 of us > stayed to see if he came back. He did not. We went to his office to see if > there is anything we can do as we are all very concerned with our grades. > He claimed to be sorry but said this is how it has to be. Not only do we > have to worry about the exam but we are missing vital pieces of information > about research methods that we will need throughout the course. I am having > the classes paid for through a government program that requires good grades > and attendance. I brought this up to him that this could effect my funding > and his reaction was an oh well type reaction. > > I have 4 options on how to handle this. > > 1) Research the remainder of the information on my own and hopefully learn > enough to pass the exam. This would save my grade for now but I am left > knowing that he will continue to handle other's misbehavior by punishing all > the class which could still effect my grades later on. > 2) Confront him directly either through e-mail or in person. He has been > very adamant that he will not change his mind and I fear this will cause him > to punish me or the class further. > 3) Go to the school administration with the complaint. He has been a > professor their for a very long time and is a master in his field. He has > done things like this many times before so I fear that they support or at > least tolerate this behavior. > 4) Withdraw from the class and take it later with a different professor. > This is dependent that I can later fit the class into my schedule with the > other professor and that the school will permit it at this time. > > I have a very hard time letting go of thing that I strongly feel are > unethical and this fits the bill. I work very hard and don't feel that I > should be punished with loss of grades for other's behavior. I am trying to > decide on the best course of action. I just can't seem to figure out what > feelings are fleas and what might be practical. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2010 Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 if there is an academic counselor maybe talk to them first. they might be able to give you a feeling for what recourse you might be able to get. i am not sure e-mail is the best way to go, it's too casual for something as important as this, I think face to face or a hard copy is the best way to deal with it. > > Hello, > > First, I would like to say sorry for being missing these past few days. The > workload for school is heavy and I have been busy. I am reading as many > e-mails as I can but have very little time to respond. > > I need the wisdom of the wonderful people here once again. Something > happened in a class today and I am not sure which of my reactions are fleas > and which are sound. Here is the story. > > My sociology professor made it clear on the first day of class that side > conversations would not be tolerated and would " effect the grade of everyone > in the class " . I assumed he meant the obvious that if he had to stop class > to deal with it we would be missing out a little. Today three girls were > having a conversation during class. He stopped the class, told them to > teach the rest, and we will have an exam on Tuesday on the information he > did not cover unless the girls agree to withdraw from the class. He walked > out. The girls involved claimed to just be asking for clarification on > notes and would go talk to him. When they left a student in front of them > said they were talking for 30 minutes. Most students left but 7 of us > stayed to see if he came back. He did not. We went to his office to see if > there is anything we can do as we are all very concerned with our grades. > He claimed to be sorry but said this is how it has to be. Not only do we > have to worry about the exam but we are missing vital pieces of information > about research methods that we will need throughout the course. I am having > the classes paid for through a government program that requires good grades > and attendance. I brought this up to him that this could effect my funding > and his reaction was an oh well type reaction. > > I have 4 options on how to handle this. > > 1) Research the remainder of the information on my own and hopefully learn > enough to pass the exam. This would save my grade for now but I am left > knowing that he will continue to handle other's misbehavior by punishing all > the class which could still effect my grades later on. > 2) Confront him directly either through e-mail or in person. He has been > very adamant that he will not change his mind and I fear this will cause him > to punish me or the class further. > 3) Go to the school administration with the complaint. He has been a > professor their for a very long time and is a master in his field. He has > done things like this many times before so I fear that they support or at > least tolerate this behavior. > 4) Withdraw from the class and take it later with a different professor. > This is dependent that I can later fit the class into my schedule with the > other professor and that the school will permit it at this time. > > I have a very hard time letting go of thing that I strongly feel are > unethical and this fits the bill. I work very hard and don't feel that I > should be punished with loss of grades for other's behavior. I am trying to > decide on the best course of action. I just can't seem to figure out what > feelings are fleas and what might be practical. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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