Re: Diets can be useful - an interesting paradox

[Guest guest]

Can you clarify what you mean, Deb? It sounds as though you're

referring to diets as tools to lose weight, and I'm not sure I see

where that is a different approach. The whole point of IE is not to

have the goal of losing weight, but to normalize the relationship with

food and eating. I can give the word "diet" a different label, but in

my mind it's still the same thing.

I don't think diets per se are inherently evil. I've known people who

said "Hmmm, I'm getting a little pudgy around the waist. Think I'll

cut out snacking" and have been fine. On the other hand, if you know

you have an eating disorder, or you've gained/lost the same lbs. so

many times you've lost count, the likelihood is that dieting just isn't

the path you should take.

I'd really be interested in knowing more about what you think about all

this.

Sohni

paquiller wrote:

Yes, I said it. I'm changing the way I'm thinking and it was after

seeing a commercial for Chantix - a quit smoking pill.

I watched the woman on the Chantix commercial. She said something that

stayed with me - "I loved to smoke."

And for some reason I thought about how hard it is for someone to quit

smoking. Dont we always hear of how so many who try to quit do so and

then pick it right back up again? How humiliated they must feel - how

powerless. So this pill - is really only a TOOL I thought to myself.

And when the person is really ready in their mind, they will quit

smoking. The pill is only a TOOL.

So then I started thinking about diets. I've come to think of diets as

TOOLS as well. Craig didnt really NOT WORK for me. I just wasnt

ready - it's only a tool.

So I no longer think of diets as evil. They serve a purpose like

Chantix does for smokers. The problem with having an eating disorder is

that I was using a TOOL as the FIX when the answer and change had to

come from within me. I also needed professional help. Yeah, and I'm

worth every penny.

Now that I've made up my mind that I no longer need to diet, I can use

any TOOL I wish to use and the result will be different.

Deb

[Guest guest]

Can you clarify what you mean, Deb? It sounds as though you're

referring to diets as tools to lose weight, and I'm not sure I see

where that is a different approach. The whole point of IE is not to

have the goal of losing weight, but to normalize the relationship with

food and eating. I can give the word "diet" a different label, but in

my mind it's still the same thing.

I don't think diets per se are inherently evil. I've known people who

said "Hmmm, I'm getting a little pudgy around the waist. Think I'll

cut out snacking" and have been fine. On the other hand, if you know

you have an eating disorder, or you've gained/lost the same lbs. so

many times you've lost count, the likelihood is that dieting just isn't

the path you should take.

I'd really be interested in knowing more about what you think about all

this.

Sohni

paquiller wrote:

Yes, I said it. I'm changing the way I'm thinking and it was after

seeing a commercial for Chantix - a quit smoking pill.

I watched the woman on the Chantix commercial. She said something that

stayed with me - "I loved to smoke."

And for some reason I thought about how hard it is for someone to quit

smoking. Dont we always hear of how so many who try to quit do so and

then pick it right back up again? How humiliated they must feel - how

powerless. So this pill - is really only a TOOL I thought to myself.

And when the person is really ready in their mind, they will quit

smoking. The pill is only a TOOL.

So then I started thinking about diets. I've come to think of diets as

TOOLS as well. Craig didnt really NOT WORK for me. I just wasnt

ready - it's only a tool.

So I no longer think of diets as evil. They serve a purpose like

Chantix does for smokers. The problem with having an eating disorder is

that I was using a TOOL as the FIX when the answer and change had to

come from within me. I also needed professional help. Yeah, and I'm

worth every penny.

Now that I've made up my mind that I no longer need to diet, I can use

any TOOL I wish to use and the result will be different.

Deb

[Guest guest]

Can you clarify what you mean, Deb? It sounds as though you're

referring to diets as tools to lose weight, and I'm not sure I see

where that is a different approach. The whole point of IE is not to

have the goal of losing weight, but to normalize the relationship with

food and eating. I can give the word "diet" a different label, but in

my mind it's still the same thing.

I don't think diets per se are inherently evil. I've known people who

said "Hmmm, I'm getting a little pudgy around the waist. Think I'll

cut out snacking" and have been fine. On the other hand, if you know

you have an eating disorder, or you've gained/lost the same lbs. so

many times you've lost count, the likelihood is that dieting just isn't

the path you should take.

I'd really be interested in knowing more about what you think about all

this.

Sohni

paquiller wrote:

Yes, I said it. I'm changing the way I'm thinking and it was after

seeing a commercial for Chantix - a quit smoking pill.

I watched the woman on the Chantix commercial. She said something that

stayed with me - "I loved to smoke."

And for some reason I thought about how hard it is for someone to quit

smoking. Dont we always hear of how so many who try to quit do so and

then pick it right back up again? How humiliated they must feel - how

powerless. So this pill - is really only a TOOL I thought to myself.

And when the person is really ready in their mind, they will quit

smoking. The pill is only a TOOL.

So then I started thinking about diets. I've come to think of diets as

TOOLS as well. Craig didnt really NOT WORK for me. I just wasnt

ready - it's only a tool.

So I no longer think of diets as evil. They serve a purpose like

Chantix does for smokers. The problem with having an eating disorder is

that I was using a TOOL as the FIX when the answer and change had to

come from within me. I also needed professional help. Yeah, and I'm

worth every penny.

Now that I've made up my mind that I no longer need to diet, I can use

any TOOL I wish to use and the result will be different.

Deb

[Guest guest]

I'm glad this has come up, because it's something that I have been wondering

about myself. Because I am so nutritioon focused, I choose not to eat foods that

have a lot of non-natural ingredients, preservatives, chemicals, or are

processed. But, of course, I crave things that include these ingredients.

So, this is has been a struggle. Do I allow myself to eat these things, even

though I they contain things that I don't want in my body? If I don't eat them,

is this restricting? I struggle with ED, so I don't want to use that as a method

of restriction...but I truly don't want to eat those ingredients. Perhaps if I

make things like cookies at home, from scratch, using whole, natural

ingredients, and allow myself to eat these, that it is still following the

principles of IE?

Any advice?

Thanks!

> >

> >

> > Yes, I said it. I'm changing the way I'm thinking and it was after

> > seeing a commercial for Chantix - a quit smoking pill.

> >

> > I watched the woman on the Chantix commercial. She said something that

> > stayed with me - " I loved to smoke. "

> >

> > And for some reason I thought about how hard it is for someone to quit

> > smoking. Dont we always hear of how so many who try to quit do so and

> > then pick it right back up again? How humiliated they must feel - how

> > powerless. So this pill - is really only a TOOL I thought to myself.

> > And when the person is really ready in their mind, they will quit

> > smoking. The pill is only a TOOL.

> >

> > So then I started thinking about diets. I've come to think of diets as

> > TOOLS as well. Craig didnt really NOT WORK for me. I just wasnt

> > ready - it's only a tool.

> >

> > So I no longer think of diets as evil. They serve a purpose like

> > Chantix does for smokers. The problem with having an eating disorder

> > is that I was using a TOOL as the FIX when the answer and change had

> > to come from within me. I also needed professional help. Yeah, and I'm

> > worth every penny.

> >

> > Now that I've made up my mind that I no longer need to diet, I can use

> > any TOOL I wish to use and the result will be different.

> >

> > Deb

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm glad this has come up, because it's something that I have been wondering

about myself. Because I am so nutritioon focused, I choose not to eat foods that

have a lot of non-natural ingredients, preservatives, chemicals, or are

processed. But, of course, I crave things that include these ingredients.

So, this is has been a struggle. Do I allow myself to eat these things, even

though I they contain things that I don't want in my body? If I don't eat them,

is this restricting? I struggle with ED, so I don't want to use that as a method

of restriction...but I truly don't want to eat those ingredients. Perhaps if I

make things like cookies at home, from scratch, using whole, natural

ingredients, and allow myself to eat these, that it is still following the

principles of IE?

Any advice?

Thanks!

> >

> >

> > Yes, I said it. I'm changing the way I'm thinking and it was after

> > seeing a commercial for Chantix - a quit smoking pill.

> >

> > I watched the woman on the Chantix commercial. She said something that

> > stayed with me - " I loved to smoke. "

> >

> > And for some reason I thought about how hard it is for someone to quit

> > smoking. Dont we always hear of how so many who try to quit do so and

> > then pick it right back up again? How humiliated they must feel - how

> > powerless. So this pill - is really only a TOOL I thought to myself.

> > And when the person is really ready in their mind, they will quit

> > smoking. The pill is only a TOOL.

> >

> > So then I started thinking about diets. I've come to think of diets as

> > TOOLS as well. Craig didnt really NOT WORK for me. I just wasnt

> > ready - it's only a tool.

> >

> > So I no longer think of diets as evil. They serve a purpose like

> > Chantix does for smokers. The problem with having an eating disorder

> > is that I was using a TOOL as the FIX when the answer and change had

> > to come from within me. I also needed professional help. Yeah, and I'm

> > worth every penny.

> >

> > Now that I've made up my mind that I no longer need to diet, I can use

> > any TOOL I wish to use and the result will be different.

> >

> > Deb

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm glad this has come up, because it's something that I have been wondering

about myself. Because I am so nutritioon focused, I choose not to eat foods that

have a lot of non-natural ingredients, preservatives, chemicals, or are

processed. But, of course, I crave things that include these ingredients.

So, this is has been a struggle. Do I allow myself to eat these things, even

though I they contain things that I don't want in my body? If I don't eat them,

is this restricting? I struggle with ED, so I don't want to use that as a method

of restriction...but I truly don't want to eat those ingredients. Perhaps if I

make things like cookies at home, from scratch, using whole, natural

ingredients, and allow myself to eat these, that it is still following the

principles of IE?

Any advice?

Thanks!

> >

> >

> > Yes, I said it. I'm changing the way I'm thinking and it was after

> > seeing a commercial for Chantix - a quit smoking pill.

> >

> > I watched the woman on the Chantix commercial. She said something that

> > stayed with me - " I loved to smoke. "

> >

> > And for some reason I thought about how hard it is for someone to quit

> > smoking. Dont we always hear of how so many who try to quit do so and

> > then pick it right back up again? How humiliated they must feel - how

> > powerless. So this pill - is really only a TOOL I thought to myself.

> > And when the person is really ready in their mind, they will quit

> > smoking. The pill is only a TOOL.

> >

> > So then I started thinking about diets. I've come to think of diets as

> > TOOLS as well. Craig didnt really NOT WORK for me. I just wasnt

> > ready - it's only a tool.

> >

> > So I no longer think of diets as evil. They serve a purpose like

> > Chantix does for smokers. The problem with having an eating disorder

> > is that I was using a TOOL as the FIX when the answer and change had

> > to come from within me. I also needed professional help. Yeah, and I'm

> > worth every penny.

> >

> > Now that I've made up my mind that I no longer need to diet, I can use

> > any TOOL I wish to use and the result will be different.

> >

> > Deb

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I (my body) would also prefer to eat healthy foods, but my brain won't

always cooperate (lol). I'm still working on it, but I do eat whatever

it is that I'm currently yearning for, healthy or not. What I try to

do is really pay attention to when I'm either full or (in the case of

cravings) when it doesn't taste good anymore. That's my signal that

the craving has been satisfied and I should stop.

For instance, this morning I went out to breakfast with my youngest son

and ordered an omelet with toast and hash browns. I was pretty hungry

and ate all the toast and about half the hash browns before I started

on the omelet. I have an iffy relationship with eggs, but that omelet

tasted so good! I ate about half of it, and then realized it was

starting to not taste very good anymore. So I boxed it up and brought

it home--just had it for a late lunch and it tasted good again. So not

"healthy" eating today, but within the parameters of IE, and I feel

pretty good about it.

I think if you're going to be satisfied eating those home-baked

cookies, that's what you should do. But if what you really want is

some gooey store-bought concoction and you want to substitute your

healthier home-baked ones, you're more likely to overeat because you're

not getting what you really want. Does that make sense?

Sohni

rachel.gary wrote:

I'm glad this has come up, because it's something that I have been

wondering about myself. Because I am so nutritioon focused, I choose

not to eat foods that have a lot of non-natural ingredients,

preservatives, chemicals, or are processed. But, of course, I crave

things that include these ingredients.

So, this is has been a struggle. Do I allow myself to eat these things,

even though I they contain things that I don't want in my body? If I

don't eat them, is this restricting? I struggle with ED, so I don't

want to use that as a method of restriction...but I truly don't

want to eat those ingredients. Perhaps if I make things like cookies at

home, from scratch, using whole, natural ingredients, and allow myself

to eat these, that it is still following the principles of IE?

Any advice?

Thanks!

> >

> >

> > Yes, I said it. I'm changing the way I'm thinking and it was

after

> > seeing a commercial for Chantix - a quit smoking pill.

> >

> > I watched the woman on the Chantix commercial. She said

something that

> > stayed with me - "I loved to smoke."

> >

> > And for some reason I thought about how hard it is for

someone to quit

> > smoking. Dont we always hear of how so many who try to quit

do so and

> > then pick it right back up again? How humiliated they must

feel - how

> > powerless. So this pill - is really only a TOOL I thought to

myself.

> > And when the person is really ready in their mind, they will

quit

> > smoking. The pill is only a TOOL.

> >

> > So then I started thinking about diets. I've come to think of

diets as

> > TOOLS as well. Craig didnt really NOT WORK for me. I

just wasnt

> > ready - it's only a tool.

> >

> > So I no longer think of diets as evil. They serve a purpose

like

> > Chantix does for smokers. The problem with having an eating

disorder

> > is that I was using a TOOL as the FIX when the answer and

change had

> > to come from within me. I also needed professional help.

Yeah, and I'm

> > worth every penny.

> >

> > Now that I've made up my mind that I no longer need to diet,

I can use

> > any TOOL I wish to use and the result will be different.

> >

> > Deb

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I (my body) would also prefer to eat healthy foods, but my brain won't

always cooperate (lol). I'm still working on it, but I do eat whatever

it is that I'm currently yearning for, healthy or not. What I try to

do is really pay attention to when I'm either full or (in the case of

cravings) when it doesn't taste good anymore. That's my signal that

the craving has been satisfied and I should stop.

For instance, this morning I went out to breakfast with my youngest son

and ordered an omelet with toast and hash browns. I was pretty hungry

and ate all the toast and about half the hash browns before I started

on the omelet. I have an iffy relationship with eggs, but that omelet

tasted so good! I ate about half of it, and then realized it was

starting to not taste very good anymore. So I boxed it up and brought

it home--just had it for a late lunch and it tasted good again. So not

"healthy" eating today, but within the parameters of IE, and I feel

pretty good about it.

I think if you're going to be satisfied eating those home-baked

cookies, that's what you should do. But if what you really want is

some gooey store-bought concoction and you want to substitute your

healthier home-baked ones, you're more likely to overeat because you're

not getting what you really want. Does that make sense?

Sohni

rachel.gary wrote:

I'm glad this has come up, because it's something that I have been

wondering about myself. Because I am so nutritioon focused, I choose

not to eat foods that have a lot of non-natural ingredients,

preservatives, chemicals, or are processed. But, of course, I crave

things that include these ingredients.

So, this is has been a struggle. Do I allow myself to eat these things,

even though I they contain things that I don't want in my body? If I

don't eat them, is this restricting? I struggle with ED, so I don't

want to use that as a method of restriction...but I truly don't

want to eat those ingredients. Perhaps if I make things like cookies at

home, from scratch, using whole, natural ingredients, and allow myself

to eat these, that it is still following the principles of IE?

Any advice?

Thanks!

> >

> >

> > Yes, I said it. I'm changing the way I'm thinking and it was

after

> > seeing a commercial for Chantix - a quit smoking pill.

> >

> > I watched the woman on the Chantix commercial. She said

something that

> > stayed with me - "I loved to smoke."

> >

> > And for some reason I thought about how hard it is for

someone to quit

> > smoking. Dont we always hear of how so many who try to quit

do so and

> > then pick it right back up again? How humiliated they must

feel - how

> > powerless. So this pill - is really only a TOOL I thought to

myself.

> > And when the person is really ready in their mind, they will

quit

> > smoking. The pill is only a TOOL.

> >

> > So then I started thinking about diets. I've come to think of

diets as

> > TOOLS as well. Craig didnt really NOT WORK for me. I

just wasnt

> > ready - it's only a tool.

> >

> > So I no longer think of diets as evil. They serve a purpose

like

> > Chantix does for smokers. The problem with having an eating

disorder

> > is that I was using a TOOL as the FIX when the answer and

change had

> > to come from within me. I also needed professional help.

Yeah, and I'm

> > worth every penny.

> >

> > Now that I've made up my mind that I no longer need to diet,

I can use

> > any TOOL I wish to use and the result will be different.

> >

> > Deb

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I (my body) would also prefer to eat healthy foods, but my brain won't

always cooperate (lol). I'm still working on it, but I do eat whatever

it is that I'm currently yearning for, healthy or not. What I try to

do is really pay attention to when I'm either full or (in the case of

cravings) when it doesn't taste good anymore. That's my signal that

the craving has been satisfied and I should stop.

For instance, this morning I went out to breakfast with my youngest son

and ordered an omelet with toast and hash browns. I was pretty hungry

and ate all the toast and about half the hash browns before I started

on the omelet. I have an iffy relationship with eggs, but that omelet

tasted so good! I ate about half of it, and then realized it was

starting to not taste very good anymore. So I boxed it up and brought

it home--just had it for a late lunch and it tasted good again. So not

"healthy" eating today, but within the parameters of IE, and I feel

pretty good about it.

I think if you're going to be satisfied eating those home-baked

cookies, that's what you should do. But if what you really want is

some gooey store-bought concoction and you want to substitute your

healthier home-baked ones, you're more likely to overeat because you're

not getting what you really want. Does that make sense?

Sohni

rachel.gary wrote:

I'm glad this has come up, because it's something that I have been

wondering about myself. Because I am so nutritioon focused, I choose

not to eat foods that have a lot of non-natural ingredients,

preservatives, chemicals, or are processed. But, of course, I crave

things that include these ingredients.

So, this is has been a struggle. Do I allow myself to eat these things,

even though I they contain things that I don't want in my body? If I

don't eat them, is this restricting? I struggle with ED, so I don't

want to use that as a method of restriction...but I truly don't

want to eat those ingredients. Perhaps if I make things like cookies at

home, from scratch, using whole, natural ingredients, and allow myself

to eat these, that it is still following the principles of IE?

Any advice?

Thanks!

> >

> >

> > Yes, I said it. I'm changing the way I'm thinking and it was

after

> > seeing a commercial for Chantix - a quit smoking pill.

> >

> > I watched the woman on the Chantix commercial. She said

something that

> > stayed with me - "I loved to smoke."

> >

> > And for some reason I thought about how hard it is for

someone to quit

> > smoking. Dont we always hear of how so many who try to quit

do so and

> > then pick it right back up again? How humiliated they must

feel - how

> > powerless. So this pill - is really only a TOOL I thought to

myself.

> > And when the person is really ready in their mind, they will

quit

> > smoking. The pill is only a TOOL.

> >

> > So then I started thinking about diets. I've come to think of

diets as

> > TOOLS as well. Craig didnt really NOT WORK for me. I

just wasnt

> > ready - it's only a tool.

> >

> > So I no longer think of diets as evil. They serve a purpose

like

> > Chantix does for smokers. The problem with having an eating

disorder

> > is that I was using a TOOL as the FIX when the answer and

change had

> > to come from within me. I also needed professional help.

Yeah, and I'm

> > worth every penny.

> >

> > Now that I've made up my mind that I no longer need to diet,

I can use

> > any TOOL I wish to use and the result will be different.

> >

> > Deb

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,I agree with Sohni - if you're craving Oreos or Milanos, your homemade stuff won't ease the craving. So, yes - per IE principles you can allow yourself to eat these things. Sometimes if you just eat one, the craving will go away and then you'll eat the healthy, nutritious stuff without obsessing on the junk. I know from my experience that when I allowed myself to eat these things and I wasn't just stuffing them in my face desperately during a binge, I slowed down to actually taste them and experience them and you know what? They don't really do it for me. I used to eat frightening amounts of ice cream when coming off of a diet and now I rarely touch the stuff because I discovered I don't really like it. AJ

I'm glad this has come up, because it's something that I have been

wondering about myself. Because I am so nutritioon focused, I choose

not to eat foods that have a lot of non-natural ingredients,

preservatives, chemicals, or are processed. But, of course, I crave

things that include these ingredients.

So, this is has been a struggle. Do I allow myself to eat these things,

even though I they contain things that I don't want in my body? If I

don't eat them, is this restricting? I struggle with ED, so I don't

want to use that as a method of restriction. ..but I truly don't

want to eat those ingredients. Perhaps if I make things like cookies at

home, from scratch, using whole, natural ingredients, and allow myself

to eat these, that it is still following the principles of IE?

Any advice?

Thanks!

> >

> >

> > Yes, I said it. I'm changing the way I'm thinking and it was

after

> > seeing a commercial for Chantix - a quit smoking pill.

> >

> > I watched the woman on the Chantix commercial. She said

something that

> > stayed with me - "I loved to smoke."

> >

> > And for some reason I thought about how hard it is for

someone to quit

> > smoking. Dont we always hear of how so many who try to quit

do so and

> > then pick it right back up again? How humiliated they must

feel - how

> > powerless. So this pill - is really only a TOOL I thought to

myself.

> > And when the person is really ready in their mind, they will

quit

> > smoking. The pill is only a TOOL.

> >

> > So then I started thinking about diets. I've come to think of

diets as

> > TOOLS as well. Craig didnt really NOT WORK for me. I

just wasnt

> > ready - it's only a tool.

> >

> > So I no longer think of diets as evil. They serve a purpose

like

> > Chantix does for smokers. The problem with having an eating

disorder

> > is that I was using a TOOL as the FIX when the answer and

change had

> > to come from within me. I also needed professional help.

Yeah, and I'm

> > worth every penny.

> >

> > Now that I've made up my mind that I no longer need to diet,

I can use

> > any TOOL I wish to use and the result will be different.

> >

> > Deb

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,I agree with Sohni - if you're craving Oreos or Milanos, your homemade stuff won't ease the craving. So, yes - per IE principles you can allow yourself to eat these things. Sometimes if you just eat one, the craving will go away and then you'll eat the healthy, nutritious stuff without obsessing on the junk. I know from my experience that when I allowed myself to eat these things and I wasn't just stuffing them in my face desperately during a binge, I slowed down to actually taste them and experience them and you know what? They don't really do it for me. I used to eat frightening amounts of ice cream when coming off of a diet and now I rarely touch the stuff because I discovered I don't really like it. AJ

I'm glad this has come up, because it's something that I have been

wondering about myself. Because I am so nutritioon focused, I choose

not to eat foods that have a lot of non-natural ingredients,

preservatives, chemicals, or are processed. But, of course, I crave

things that include these ingredients.

So, this is has been a struggle. Do I allow myself to eat these things,

even though I they contain things that I don't want in my body? If I

don't eat them, is this restricting? I struggle with ED, so I don't

want to use that as a method of restriction. ..but I truly don't

want to eat those ingredients. Perhaps if I make things like cookies at

home, from scratch, using whole, natural ingredients, and allow myself

to eat these, that it is still following the principles of IE?

Any advice?

Thanks!

> >

> >

> > Yes, I said it. I'm changing the way I'm thinking and it was

after

> > seeing a commercial for Chantix - a quit smoking pill.

> >

> > I watched the woman on the Chantix commercial. She said

something that

> > stayed with me - "I loved to smoke."

> >

> > And for some reason I thought about how hard it is for

someone to quit

> > smoking. Dont we always hear of how so many who try to quit

do so and

> > then pick it right back up again? How humiliated they must

feel - how

> > powerless. So this pill - is really only a TOOL I thought to

myself.

> > And when the person is really ready in their mind, they will

quit

> > smoking. The pill is only a TOOL.

> >

> > So then I started thinking about diets. I've come to think of

diets as

> > TOOLS as well. Craig didnt really NOT WORK for me. I

just wasnt

> > ready - it's only a tool.

> >

> > So I no longer think of diets as evil. They serve a purpose

like

> > Chantix does for smokers. The problem with having an eating

disorder

> > is that I was using a TOOL as the FIX when the answer and

change had

> > to come from within me. I also needed professional help.

Yeah, and I'm

> > worth every penny.

> >

> > Now that I've made up my mind that I no longer need to diet,

I can use

> > any TOOL I wish to use and the result will be different.

> >

> > Deb

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,I agree with Sohni - if you're craving Oreos or Milanos, your homemade stuff won't ease the craving. So, yes - per IE principles you can allow yourself to eat these things. Sometimes if you just eat one, the craving will go away and then you'll eat the healthy, nutritious stuff without obsessing on the junk. I know from my experience that when I allowed myself to eat these things and I wasn't just stuffing them in my face desperately during a binge, I slowed down to actually taste them and experience them and you know what? They don't really do it for me. I used to eat frightening amounts of ice cream when coming off of a diet and now I rarely touch the stuff because I discovered I don't really like it. AJ

I'm glad this has come up, because it's something that I have been

wondering about myself. Because I am so nutritioon focused, I choose

not to eat foods that have a lot of non-natural ingredients,

preservatives, chemicals, or are processed. But, of course, I crave

things that include these ingredients.

So, this is has been a struggle. Do I allow myself to eat these things,

even though I they contain things that I don't want in my body? If I

don't eat them, is this restricting? I struggle with ED, so I don't

want to use that as a method of restriction. ..but I truly don't

want to eat those ingredients. Perhaps if I make things like cookies at

home, from scratch, using whole, natural ingredients, and allow myself

to eat these, that it is still following the principles of IE?

Any advice?

Thanks!

> >

> >

> > Yes, I said it. I'm changing the way I'm thinking and it was

after

> > seeing a commercial for Chantix - a quit smoking pill.

> >

> > I watched the woman on the Chantix commercial. She said

something that

> > stayed with me - "I loved to smoke."

> >

> > And for some reason I thought about how hard it is for

someone to quit

> > smoking. Dont we always hear of how so many who try to quit

do so and

> > then pick it right back up again? How humiliated they must

feel - how

> > powerless. So this pill - is really only a TOOL I thought to

myself.

> > And when the person is really ready in their mind, they will

quit

> > smoking. The pill is only a TOOL.

> >

> > So then I started thinking about diets. I've come to think of

diets as

> > TOOLS as well. Craig didnt really NOT WORK for me. I

just wasnt

> > ready - it's only a tool.

> >

> > So I no longer think of diets as evil. They serve a purpose

like

> > Chantix does for smokers. The problem with having an eating

disorder

> > is that I was using a TOOL as the FIX when the answer and

change had

> > to come from within me. I also needed professional help.

Yeah, and I'm

> > worth every penny.

> >

> > Now that I've made up my mind that I no longer need to diet,

I can use

> > any TOOL I wish to use and the result will be different.

> >

> > Deb

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sohni and AJ.

YEs, I had the same experience with a strawberry frosted donut the other day...I

used to crave them like crazy, but when I finally bought some and sat down to

eat it and really tasted it, my body could taste the fake flavoring and articial

ingredients and all of the sugar...and it just wasn't very good. I think you're

both right, if I legalize those " fake " foods, I'm trusting that my body will be

satified after a while and want healthy stuff too.

It's all still a bit scary for me! But everyday is progress!

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > Yes, I said it. I'm changing the way I'm thinking and it was

> after

>

> > > seeing a commercial for Chantix - a quit smoking pill.

>

> > >

>

> > > I watched the woman on the Chantix commercial. She said

> something that

>

> > > stayed with me - " I loved to smoke. "

>

> > >

>

> > > And for some reason I thought about how hard it is for

> someone to quit

>

> > > smoking. Dont we always hear of how so many who try to quit

> do so and

>

> > > then pick it right back up again? How humiliated they must

> feel - how

>

> > > powerless. So this pill - is really only a TOOL I thought to

> myself.

>

> > > And when the person is really ready in their mind, they will

> quit

>

> > > smoking. The pill is only a TOOL.

>

> > >

>

> > > So then I started thinking about diets. I've come to think of

> diets as

>

> > > TOOLS as well. Craig didnt really NOT WORK for me. I

> just wasnt

>

> > > ready - it's only a tool.

>

> > >

>

> > > So I no longer think of diets as evil. They serve a purpose

> like

>

> > > Chantix does for smokers. The problem with having an eating

> disorder

>

> > > is that I was using a TOOL as the FIX when the answer and

> change had

>

> > > to come from within me. I also needed professional help.

> Yeah, and I'm

>

> > > worth every penny.

>

> > >

>

> > > Now that I've made up my mind that I no longer need to diet,

> I can use

>

> > > any TOOL I wish to use and the result will be different.

>

> > >

>

> > > Deb

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> >

>