Re: Re: Lugols

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much for all the info! That's awesome. Here's what I need to know:

1. What dose would you recommend for a 3-year-old? Both have digestive issues (leaky gut, deficiencies, food sensitivities), and low tone. One of them has stimming and articulation issues (PDD).

2. The only part that you talked about that would concern me is the liver issue. Are you saying by detoxing so fast, it put stress on your liver? I would worry about a 3-year-old's ability to handle this. Is this something I should be worried about?

3. The other supps - is there a list somewhere that goes over dosing? Are all of these supps necessary? If so, is the amount in a multi-vitamin enough or do I have to get all of them separately?

4. Last but not least, is it ok to just try a very low dose of lugols and see what happens before investing in all these other supps, or do you always have to give all this stuff with the iodine?

Thanks again for everything!

- Kirk-

To: mb12 valtrex From: mossyforrest@...Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 03:50:24 +0000Subject: Re: Lugols

Well, that would depend. It can be a short term treatment for specific illness. Or, long term supplementation until iodine sufficiency is reached, everything is repaired and then it is a maintenance dosage. Not sure if anyone can maintain sufficiency without supplementing, even if eating a ton of seafood or iodine rich foods.Some do use Iodine with the apple cider vinegar. No way i could, that stuff is just too gross to me. The only real initial thing is flu like symptoms. For a week or 2. Then it's mostly just feeling good. No more colds. No more flu. No more IBS. No more hair loss. The edges of my eyebrows grew back. I have lost about 40 pounds. Without trying or changing my diet. No more depression. I had some adrenal issues that was corrected with increased salt. I have had some liver issues from time to time, mostly with high fat meals, corrected with apple juice and milk thistle. Tho the liver issues didnt really happen i think till i began dumping more junk, which happens once you achieve sufficiency. I went thru a few months of sporadic liver issues then it was gone and havent had it since. Before Iodine i had an eye tic. Gone now. I also had one eye larger than the other (only noticable to ME probably!) which is now corrected. I use to have alot of bronchitis (i smoke) and i dont have it anymore. Same with sinus infections. I use to have several suspicious spots on various parts of my body that are gone except one fairly persistent one. I have been arthritic for several years before this, mostly ankles and right hip and knee. They dont ever hurt anymore. Most importantly i feel GOOD all the time now! My son had the same flu like symptoms the first few weeks. He also has no more colds (had one a month foreverrr previously), his constipation is gone. His bms are now normal. He no longer has the yeasty giggles. Ever. He no longer bites his hands. Stimming is fairly gone. Cognitively he went from 10 words(the same 10 words for 10 years) on his Voice output device to 75 within 6 months. After a year & 1/2 now, seeing him manipulate from page to page on his ipad is amazing! The last few months have seen an increase in his vocal attempt at words. He says mom regulary now rather than the once a year shocker. There are other improvements, Keep in mind i have never given him more than 25mg even tho he is adult size. He is 17, 6' and about 170 lbs (from 185, very lean now less fat). I want to increase but paranoid for no good reason except that he cant tell me if something hurts so i have been cautious. I have to observe him to know if anything is bothering him most the time so i have just taken it slow and steady with a mid level dosage (12.5 being regular/maintenance adult dosage and 50mg beign high dosage protocol). He hasnt had any issues that I can see. All that said(way more than you asked about!), I think it depends on the individual and how much damage they have to determine how long the higher dosage would be needed. The companion supplements(Mag, Se, C, B2, Niacin, Natural Salt) are necessary fairly eliminate any problems. It all works together. I use transdermal magnesium chloride and coconut oil daily so those probably help. I personally think, even tho it's not part of the protocol that tyrosine may be needed by most with higher dosages. Nothing to point to, just my own belief. My son and I's complete list of supps is:Iodine, Mag Chloride transdermally, Mag Malate internally, Vit C (2000mg), which also has calcium carbonate and mag carbonate), Niacin (100mg) And Flush Free Niacin (500mg), B2, D3 (winter months only,prefer 20 min a day of sun when its out), Tyrosine and Enzymes. I also take NutriMeds Porcine Thyroid (less concentrated Armour). I did experiment recently to see what would happened if i stopped iodine. After 3 days depression hit me. Something i use to feel daily and hadnt in a long time. So i took some iodine and it went away. I expect this is one supplement you will never regret buying! Cheryl >> Cheryl,> > Would you continue this long term or is this a short term treatment? I have read that it is good to mix it with apple cider vinegar and honey. Is this something you have ever done, or is just plain water more effective? Also, should I expect any die-off kinds of behaviors, and if so, is there anything that can be given to help with this? Sorry for all the questions. I've been wanting to try this for months now, and your post finally made me order it. Thanks!> >>

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much for all the info! That's awesome. Here's what I need to know:

1. What dose would you recommend for a 3-year-old? Both have digestive issues (leaky gut, deficiencies, food sensitivities), and low tone. One of them has stimming and articulation issues (PDD).

2. The only part that you talked about that would concern me is the liver issue. Are you saying by detoxing so fast, it put stress on your liver? I would worry about a 3-year-old's ability to handle this. Is this something I should be worried about?

3. The other supps - is there a list somewhere that goes over dosing? Are all of these supps necessary? If so, is the amount in a multi-vitamin enough or do I have to get all of them separately?

4. Last but not least, is it ok to just try a very low dose of lugols and see what happens before investing in all these other supps, or do you always have to give all this stuff with the iodine?

Thanks again for everything!

- Kirk-

To: mb12 valtrex From: mossyforrest@...Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 03:50:24 +0000Subject: Re: Lugols

Well, that would depend. It can be a short term treatment for specific illness. Or, long term supplementation until iodine sufficiency is reached, everything is repaired and then it is a maintenance dosage. Not sure if anyone can maintain sufficiency without supplementing, even if eating a ton of seafood or iodine rich foods.Some do use Iodine with the apple cider vinegar. No way i could, that stuff is just too gross to me. The only real initial thing is flu like symptoms. For a week or 2. Then it's mostly just feeling good. No more colds. No more flu. No more IBS. No more hair loss. The edges of my eyebrows grew back. I have lost about 40 pounds. Without trying or changing my diet. No more depression. I had some adrenal issues that was corrected with increased salt. I have had some liver issues from time to time, mostly with high fat meals, corrected with apple juice and milk thistle. Tho the liver issues didnt really happen i think till i began dumping more junk, which happens once you achieve sufficiency. I went thru a few months of sporadic liver issues then it was gone and havent had it since. Before Iodine i had an eye tic. Gone now. I also had one eye larger than the other (only noticable to ME probably!) which is now corrected. I use to have alot of bronchitis (i smoke) and i dont have it anymore. Same with sinus infections. I use to have several suspicious spots on various parts of my body that are gone except one fairly persistent one. I have been arthritic for several years before this, mostly ankles and right hip and knee. They dont ever hurt anymore. Most importantly i feel GOOD all the time now! My son had the same flu like symptoms the first few weeks. He also has no more colds (had one a month foreverrr previously), his constipation is gone. His bms are now normal. He no longer has the yeasty giggles. Ever. He no longer bites his hands. Stimming is fairly gone. Cognitively he went from 10 words(the same 10 words for 10 years) on his Voice output device to 75 within 6 months. After a year & 1/2 now, seeing him manipulate from page to page on his ipad is amazing! The last few months have seen an increase in his vocal attempt at words. He says mom regulary now rather than the once a year shocker. There are other improvements, Keep in mind i have never given him more than 25mg even tho he is adult size. He is 17, 6' and about 170 lbs (from 185, very lean now less fat). I want to increase but paranoid for no good reason except that he cant tell me if something hurts so i have been cautious. I have to observe him to know if anything is bothering him most the time so i have just taken it slow and steady with a mid level dosage (12.5 being regular/maintenance adult dosage and 50mg beign high dosage protocol). He hasnt had any issues that I can see. All that said(way more than you asked about!), I think it depends on the individual and how much damage they have to determine how long the higher dosage would be needed. The companion supplements(Mag, Se, C, B2, Niacin, Natural Salt) are necessary fairly eliminate any problems. It all works together. I use transdermal magnesium chloride and coconut oil daily so those probably help. I personally think, even tho it's not part of the protocol that tyrosine may be needed by most with higher dosages. Nothing to point to, just my own belief. My son and I's complete list of supps is:Iodine, Mag Chloride transdermally, Mag Malate internally, Vit C (2000mg), which also has calcium carbonate and mag carbonate), Niacin (100mg) And Flush Free Niacin (500mg), B2, D3 (winter months only,prefer 20 min a day of sun when its out), Tyrosine and Enzymes. I also take NutriMeds Porcine Thyroid (less concentrated Armour). I did experiment recently to see what would happened if i stopped iodine. After 3 days depression hit me. Something i use to feel daily and hadnt in a long time. So i took some iodine and it went away. I expect this is one supplement you will never regret buying! Cheryl >> Cheryl,> > Would you continue this long term or is this a short term treatment? I have read that it is good to mix it with apple cider vinegar and honey. Is this something you have ever done, or is just plain water more effective? Also, should I expect any die-off kinds of behaviors, and if so, is there anything that can be given to help with this? Sorry for all the questions. I've been wanting to try this for months now, and your post finally made me order it. Thanks!> >>

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much for all the info! That's awesome. Here's what I need to know:

1. What dose would you recommend for a 3-year-old? Both have digestive issues (leaky gut, deficiencies, food sensitivities), and low tone. One of them has stimming and articulation issues (PDD).

2. The only part that you talked about that would concern me is the liver issue. Are you saying by detoxing so fast, it put stress on your liver? I would worry about a 3-year-old's ability to handle this. Is this something I should be worried about?

3. The other supps - is there a list somewhere that goes over dosing? Are all of these supps necessary? If so, is the amount in a multi-vitamin enough or do I have to get all of them separately?

4. Last but not least, is it ok to just try a very low dose of lugols and see what happens before investing in all these other supps, or do you always have to give all this stuff with the iodine?

Thanks again for everything!

- Kirk-

To: mb12 valtrex From: mossyforrest@...Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 03:50:24 +0000Subject: Re: Lugols

Well, that would depend. It can be a short term treatment for specific illness. Or, long term supplementation until iodine sufficiency is reached, everything is repaired and then it is a maintenance dosage. Not sure if anyone can maintain sufficiency without supplementing, even if eating a ton of seafood or iodine rich foods.Some do use Iodine with the apple cider vinegar. No way i could, that stuff is just too gross to me. The only real initial thing is flu like symptoms. For a week or 2. Then it's mostly just feeling good. No more colds. No more flu. No more IBS. No more hair loss. The edges of my eyebrows grew back. I have lost about 40 pounds. Without trying or changing my diet. No more depression. I had some adrenal issues that was corrected with increased salt. I have had some liver issues from time to time, mostly with high fat meals, corrected with apple juice and milk thistle. Tho the liver issues didnt really happen i think till i began dumping more junk, which happens once you achieve sufficiency. I went thru a few months of sporadic liver issues then it was gone and havent had it since. Before Iodine i had an eye tic. Gone now. I also had one eye larger than the other (only noticable to ME probably!) which is now corrected. I use to have alot of bronchitis (i smoke) and i dont have it anymore. Same with sinus infections. I use to have several suspicious spots on various parts of my body that are gone except one fairly persistent one. I have been arthritic for several years before this, mostly ankles and right hip and knee. They dont ever hurt anymore. Most importantly i feel GOOD all the time now! My son had the same flu like symptoms the first few weeks. He also has no more colds (had one a month foreverrr previously), his constipation is gone. His bms are now normal. He no longer has the yeasty giggles. Ever. He no longer bites his hands. Stimming is fairly gone. Cognitively he went from 10 words(the same 10 words for 10 years) on his Voice output device to 75 within 6 months. After a year & 1/2 now, seeing him manipulate from page to page on his ipad is amazing! The last few months have seen an increase in his vocal attempt at words. He says mom regulary now rather than the once a year shocker. There are other improvements, Keep in mind i have never given him more than 25mg even tho he is adult size. He is 17, 6' and about 170 lbs (from 185, very lean now less fat). I want to increase but paranoid for no good reason except that he cant tell me if something hurts so i have been cautious. I have to observe him to know if anything is bothering him most the time so i have just taken it slow and steady with a mid level dosage (12.5 being regular/maintenance adult dosage and 50mg beign high dosage protocol). He hasnt had any issues that I can see. All that said(way more than you asked about!), I think it depends on the individual and how much damage they have to determine how long the higher dosage would be needed. The companion supplements(Mag, Se, C, B2, Niacin, Natural Salt) are necessary fairly eliminate any problems. It all works together. I use transdermal magnesium chloride and coconut oil daily so those probably help. I personally think, even tho it's not part of the protocol that tyrosine may be needed by most with higher dosages. Nothing to point to, just my own belief. My son and I's complete list of supps is:Iodine, Mag Chloride transdermally, Mag Malate internally, Vit C (2000mg), which also has calcium carbonate and mag carbonate), Niacin (100mg) And Flush Free Niacin (500mg), B2, D3 (winter months only,prefer 20 min a day of sun when its out), Tyrosine and Enzymes. I also take NutriMeds Porcine Thyroid (less concentrated Armour). I did experiment recently to see what would happened if i stopped iodine. After 3 days depression hit me. Something i use to feel daily and hadnt in a long time. So i took some iodine and it went away. I expect this is one supplement you will never regret buying! Cheryl >> Cheryl,> > Would you continue this long term or is this a short term treatment? I have read that it is good to mix it with apple cider vinegar and honey. Is this something you have ever done, or is just plain water more effective? Also, should I expect any die-off kinds of behaviors, and if so, is there anything that can be given to help with this? Sorry for all the questions. I've been wanting to try this for months now, and your post finally made me order it. Thanks!> >>

[Guest guest]

Can you use charcoal to help with the detoxing?

- Kirk-

To: mb12 valtrex From: mossyforrest@...Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 03:54:32 +0000Subject: Re: Lugols

Yes Sally it can, especially if the companion nutrients arent used. The more damaged a person is, the more virus they harbor, the more fungus and bacteria colonies, all contribute to that effect. If your body cant eliminate all the pathogens the Iodine kills a person can feel ill. Salt loading is utilized if this happens. I havent experienced this at all, and I think i was pretty damaged. Cheryl >> It can also create a substantial Herxheimer effect so be careful.> > sally

[Guest guest]

Can you use charcoal to help with the detoxing?

- Kirk-

To: mb12 valtrex From: mossyforrest@...Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 03:54:32 +0000Subject: Re: Lugols

Yes Sally it can, especially if the companion nutrients arent used. The more damaged a person is, the more virus they harbor, the more fungus and bacteria colonies, all contribute to that effect. If your body cant eliminate all the pathogens the Iodine kills a person can feel ill. Salt loading is utilized if this happens. I havent experienced this at all, and I think i was pretty damaged. Cheryl >> It can also create a substantial Herxheimer effect so be careful.> > sally

[Guest guest]

Cheryl, when you say " natural salts " , do you mean salts that you give with meals (like the pink sea salts)?Also, what's the difference between Niacin and Flush Free Niacin?  I would have guessed I'd be ok with one Niacin supp -- why both forms of Niacin?

 

Dont see why not. I have never used it.

Salt, More Mag and C with Apple Juice seemed to help me most.

Cheryl

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> - Kirk-