Guest guest Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Welcome Ruth. It's always sad to me when a "newbie" comes on the board but I know you are in such a good place for information and support. There is always someone here to be of help. Usually more than one! I can't help with Helios but there are many here who can. I don't use liquid. I do relate to having a lot of other health problems however. I deal with that stuff every day. I too have little energy. I seldom go out except to Drs. I'm turning 70 next month and was dx (diagnosed) more than 2 years ago. Until recently I have been fairly stable. It is sad news to read your husband has COPD and I imagine it is difficult for you to take care of both of you. Where do you live? I'm in Oregon. Glad to have you with us. We'll get more acquainted as time goes along. MamaSher, age 69. IPF 3-06, OR./ NasturtiumsDon't fret about tomorrow, God is already there! liquid oxygen Hi everyone, I joined the group awhile ago.Just been reading and not shearing much.I am almost 71, married and we are both on oxygen. Hubby has COPD.He had a lung collapse in 1991. He has been almost completely disable sense. I try to take care of the both of us. I was diagnosed with IPF. in 1992 caused from work related chemicals,from old history.I did public work until about 5 years ago.I started using my oxygen to sleep with after a sleep study was done in 2006.During the study my oxygen went down so low they woke me up to see if I was breathing.Said I could have a heart attack from it being so low. My breathing just got real bad the end of 2007 now I am on it all the time set on 3. I started using the liquid the first of this year.Always complaining it does not work right.It only comes out on one side of the nose tube.They tell me this is right.Question is who is right? They are coming out again tomorrow and I hope get it right.When I do go out I feel like I can't hardly breath at all. I stay home now seldom get out. just don't have the energy to do much any more. I also have a lot of other health problems.I would appreciate any advise on the Helios Plus.thanks for taking the time to read this . Ruth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Welcome Ruth. It's always sad to me when a "newbie" comes on the board but I know you are in such a good place for information and support. There is always someone here to be of help. Usually more than one! I can't help with Helios but there are many here who can. I don't use liquid. I do relate to having a lot of other health problems however. I deal with that stuff every day. I too have little energy. I seldom go out except to Drs. I'm turning 70 next month and was dx (diagnosed) more than 2 years ago. Until recently I have been fairly stable. It is sad news to read your husband has COPD and I imagine it is difficult for you to take care of both of you. Where do you live? I'm in Oregon. Glad to have you with us. We'll get more acquainted as time goes along. MamaSher, age 69. IPF 3-06, OR./ NasturtiumsDon't fret about tomorrow, God is already there! liquid oxygen Hi everyone, I joined the group awhile ago.Just been reading and not shearing much.I am almost 71, married and we are both on oxygen. Hubby has COPD.He had a lung collapse in 1991. He has been almost completely disable sense. I try to take care of the both of us. I was diagnosed with IPF. in 1992 caused from work related chemicals,from old history.I did public work until about 5 years ago.I started using my oxygen to sleep with after a sleep study was done in 2006.During the study my oxygen went down so low they woke me up to see if I was breathing.Said I could have a heart attack from it being so low. My breathing just got real bad the end of 2007 now I am on it all the time set on 3. I started using the liquid the first of this year.Always complaining it does not work right.It only comes out on one side of the nose tube.They tell me this is right.Question is who is right? They are coming out again tomorrow and I hope get it right.When I do go out I feel like I can't hardly breath at all. I stay home now seldom get out. just don't have the energy to do much any more. I also have a lot of other health problems.I would appreciate any advise on the Helios Plus.thanks for taking the time to read this . Ruth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Welcome Ruth. It's always sad to me when a "newbie" comes on the board but I know you are in such a good place for information and support. There is always someone here to be of help. Usually more than one! I can't help with Helios but there are many here who can. I don't use liquid. I do relate to having a lot of other health problems however. I deal with that stuff every day. I too have little energy. I seldom go out except to Drs. I'm turning 70 next month and was dx (diagnosed) more than 2 years ago. Until recently I have been fairly stable. It is sad news to read your husband has COPD and I imagine it is difficult for you to take care of both of you. Where do you live? I'm in Oregon. Glad to have you with us. We'll get more acquainted as time goes along. MamaSher, age 69. IPF 3-06, OR./ NasturtiumsDon't fret about tomorrow, God is already there! liquid oxygen Hi everyone, I joined the group awhile ago.Just been reading and not shearing much.I am almost 71, married and we are both on oxygen. Hubby has COPD.He had a lung collapse in 1991. He has been almost completely disable sense. I try to take care of the both of us. I was diagnosed with IPF. in 1992 caused from work related chemicals,from old history.I did public work until about 5 years ago.I started using my oxygen to sleep with after a sleep study was done in 2006.During the study my oxygen went down so low they woke me up to see if I was breathing.Said I could have a heart attack from it being so low. My breathing just got real bad the end of 2007 now I am on it all the time set on 3. I started using the liquid the first of this year.Always complaining it does not work right.It only comes out on one side of the nose tube.They tell me this is right.Question is who is right? They are coming out again tomorrow and I hope get it right.When I do go out I feel like I can't hardly breath at all. I stay home now seldom get out. just don't have the energy to do much any more. I also have a lot of other health problems.I would appreciate any advise on the Helios Plus.thanks for taking the time to read this . Ruth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Ruth, The Helios Plus is a demand delivery system and yes you get the O2 in one side...The other side detects your inhalation. There is nothing wrong with that at all You should be sleeping with the continuous system connected to the large tank, set at 3 lpm.. The Helois is for going out. BTW...Welcome to the group. Z fibriotic NSIP/05 Z 64, fibriotic NSIP/o5/PA And “mild” PH/10/07 and Reynaud’s too!! No, NSIP was not self-inflicted…I never smoked! Potter, reader,carousel lover and MomMom to Darah and Sara “I’m gonna be iron like a lion in Zion” Bob Marley Vinca Minor-periwinkle is my flower Ruth Pierce wrote: Hi everyone, I joined the group awhile ago. Just been reading and not shearing much. I am almost 71, married and we are both on oxygen. Hubby has COPD.He had a lung collapse in 1991. He has been almost completely disable sense. I try to take care of the both of us. I was diagnosed with IPF. in 1992 caused from work related chemicals,from old history. I did public work until about 5 years ago. I started using my oxygen to sleep with after a sleep study was done in 2006.During the study my oxygen went down so low they woke me up to see if I was breathing.Said I could have a heart attack from it being so low. My breathing just got real bad the end of 2007 now I am on it all the time set on 3. I started using the liquid the first of this year. Always complaining it does not work right. It only comes out on one side of the nose tube.They tell me this is right. Question is who is right? They are coming out again tomorrow and I hope get it right.When I do go out I feel like I can't hardly breath at all. I stay home now seldom get out. just don't have the energy to do much any more. I also have a lot of other health problems. I would appreciate any advise on the Helios Plus. thanks for taking the time to read this . Ruth No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.6/1540 - Release Date: 7/8/2008 6:33 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Ruth, The Helios Plus is a demand delivery system and yes you get the O2 in one side...The other side detects your inhalation. There is nothing wrong with that at all You should be sleeping with the continuous system connected to the large tank, set at 3 lpm.. The Helois is for going out. BTW...Welcome to the group. Z fibriotic NSIP/05 Z 64, fibriotic NSIP/o5/PA And “mild” PH/10/07 and Reynaud’s too!! No, NSIP was not self-inflicted…I never smoked! Potter, reader,carousel lover and MomMom to Darah and Sara “I’m gonna be iron like a lion in Zion” Bob Marley Vinca Minor-periwinkle is my flower Ruth Pierce wrote: Hi everyone, I joined the group awhile ago. Just been reading and not shearing much. I am almost 71, married and we are both on oxygen. Hubby has COPD.He had a lung collapse in 1991. He has been almost completely disable sense. I try to take care of the both of us. I was diagnosed with IPF. in 1992 caused from work related chemicals,from old history. I did public work until about 5 years ago. I started using my oxygen to sleep with after a sleep study was done in 2006.During the study my oxygen went down so low they woke me up to see if I was breathing.Said I could have a heart attack from it being so low. My breathing just got real bad the end of 2007 now I am on it all the time set on 3. I started using the liquid the first of this year. Always complaining it does not work right. It only comes out on one side of the nose tube.They tell me this is right. Question is who is right? They are coming out again tomorrow and I hope get it right.When I do go out I feel like I can't hardly breath at all. I stay home now seldom get out. just don't have the energy to do much any more. I also have a lot of other health problems. I would appreciate any advise on the Helios Plus. thanks for taking the time to read this . Ruth No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.6/1540 - Release Date: 7/8/2008 6:33 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Ruth, The Helios Plus is a demand delivery system and yes you get the O2 in one side...The other side detects your inhalation. There is nothing wrong with that at all You should be sleeping with the continuous system connected to the large tank, set at 3 lpm.. The Helois is for going out. BTW...Welcome to the group. Z fibriotic NSIP/05 Z 64, fibriotic NSIP/o5/PA And “mild” PH/10/07 and Reynaud’s too!! No, NSIP was not self-inflicted…I never smoked! Potter, reader,carousel lover and MomMom to Darah and Sara “I’m gonna be iron like a lion in Zion” Bob Marley Vinca Minor-periwinkle is my flower Ruth Pierce wrote: Hi everyone, I joined the group awhile ago. Just been reading and not shearing much. I am almost 71, married and we are both on oxygen. Hubby has COPD.He had a lung collapse in 1991. He has been almost completely disable sense. I try to take care of the both of us. I was diagnosed with IPF. in 1992 caused from work related chemicals,from old history. I did public work until about 5 years ago. I started using my oxygen to sleep with after a sleep study was done in 2006.During the study my oxygen went down so low they woke me up to see if I was breathing.Said I could have a heart attack from it being so low. My breathing just got real bad the end of 2007 now I am on it all the time set on 3. I started using the liquid the first of this year. Always complaining it does not work right. It only comes out on one side of the nose tube.They tell me this is right. Question is who is right? They are coming out again tomorrow and I hope get it right.When I do go out I feel like I can't hardly breath at all. I stay home now seldom get out. just don't have the energy to do much any more. I also have a lot of other health problems. I would appreciate any advise on the Helios Plus. thanks for taking the time to read this . Ruth No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.6/1540 - Release Date: 7/8/2008 6:33 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Hi Ruth, I not on line much and don't know about your 02, but I understand about not going out much I'm on 02 24/7 at 5L. By the time I get ready to go anywhere, I'm beat. What I wanted to offer is this. It took me a while, but I now look at this as a way to do all the things I never thought I'd have time to do. As long as I can sit, I can do it. Right now I'm doing a project for 100 guests at my granddaughter. I designed it never knowing how hard it woulb me to do. Believe me the positive side is, I don't have much time to worry about me. I almost forget I have IPF. So I decided to look at this as a sort of gift. I've done two oil paintings and have a third one started. I'm also writing, just thing I kept putting of. I guess what I'm trying to say is, find something to do that brings a smile to face. I don't know if I've helped, but I hope so. Hugs, TerryTerry Pennisi 11/07 IPF Nevada Subject: liquid oxygenTo: Breathe-Support Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 6:24 PM Hi everyone, I joined the group awhile ago.Just been reading and not shearing much.I am almost 71, married and we are both on oxygen. Hubby has COPD.He had a lung collapse in 1991. He has been almost completely disable sense. I try to take care of the both of us. I was diagnosed with IPF. in 1992 caused from work related chemicals,from old history.I did public work until about 5 years ago.I started using my oxygen to sleep with after a sleep study was done in 2006.During the study my oxygen went down so low they woke me up to see if I was breathing.Said I could have a heart attack from it being so low. My breathing just got real bad the end of 2007 now I am on it all the time set on 3. I started using the liquid the first of this year.Always complaining it does not work right.It only comes out on one side of the nose tube.They tell me this is right.Question is who is right? They are coming out again tomorrow and I hope get it right.When I do go out I feel like I can't hardly breath at all. I stay home now seldom get out. just don't have the energy to do much any more. I also have a lot of other health problems.I would appreciate any advise on the Helios Plus.thanks for taking the time to read this . Ruth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Sher, That is ok. You have a lot of people to try and remember. I think you do very well. I feel so guilty setting here knowing that I should be up doing laundry or changing the bed. But you know I say if any one wants to do it,than go for it.I will set and watch. Ruth > > > > Welcome Ruth. It's always sad to me when a " newbie " comes on the > board but I know you are in such a good place for information and > support. There is always someone here to be of help. Usually more > than one! > > I can't help with Helios but there are many here who can. I don't > use liquid. > > I do relate to having a lot of other health problems however. I > deal with that stuff every day. > > I too have little energy. I seldom go out except to Drs. > > I'm turning 70 next month and was dx (diagnosed) more than 2 years > ago. Until recently I have been fairly stable. > > It is sad news to read your husband has COPD and I imagine it is > difficult for you to take care of both of you. > > Where do you live? I'm in Oregon. > > Glad to have you with us. We'll get more acquainted as time goes > along. > > > > MamaSher, age 69. IPF 3-06, OR./ Nasturtiums > > Don't fret about tomorrow, God is already there! > > > > liquid oxygen > > > > > > Hi everyone, I joined the group awhile ago. > > Just been reading and not shearing much. > > I am almost 71, married and we are both on oxygen. > > Hubby has COPD.He had a lung collapse in 1991. > > He has been almost completely disable sense. > > I try to take care of the both of us. > > I was diagnosed with IPF. in 1992 > > caused from work related chemicals,from old history. > > I did public work until about 5 years ago. > > I started using my oxygen to sleep with after a sleep study was > done > > in 2006.During the study my oxygen went down so low they woke me > up > > to see if I was breathing.Said I could have a heart attack from > it > > being so low. > > My breathing just got real bad the end of 2007 now I am on it all > the > > time set on 3. I started using the liquid the first of this year. > > Always complaining it does not work right. > > It only comes out on one side of the nose tube.They tell me this > is > > right. > > Question is who is right? They are coming out again tomorrow and > I > > hope get it right.When I do go out I feel like I can't hardly > breath > > at all. I stay home now seldom get out. just don't have the > energy to > > do much any more. I also have a lot of other health problems. > > I would appreciate any advise on the Helios Plus. > > thanks for taking the time to read this . > > Ruth > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Sher, That is ok. You have a lot of people to try and remember. I think you do very well. I feel so guilty setting here knowing that I should be up doing laundry or changing the bed. But you know I say if any one wants to do it,than go for it.I will set and watch. Ruth > > > > Welcome Ruth. It's always sad to me when a " newbie " comes on the > board but I know you are in such a good place for information and > support. There is always someone here to be of help. Usually more > than one! > > I can't help with Helios but there are many here who can. I don't > use liquid. > > I do relate to having a lot of other health problems however. I > deal with that stuff every day. > > I too have little energy. I seldom go out except to Drs. > > I'm turning 70 next month and was dx (diagnosed) more than 2 years > ago. Until recently I have been fairly stable. > > It is sad news to read your husband has COPD and I imagine it is > difficult for you to take care of both of you. > > Where do you live? I'm in Oregon. > > Glad to have you with us. We'll get more acquainted as time goes > along. > > > > MamaSher, age 69. IPF 3-06, OR./ Nasturtiums > > Don't fret about tomorrow, God is already there! > > > > liquid oxygen > > > > > > Hi everyone, I joined the group awhile ago. > > Just been reading and not shearing much. > > I am almost 71, married and we are both on oxygen. > > Hubby has COPD.He had a lung collapse in 1991. > > He has been almost completely disable sense. > > I try to take care of the both of us. > > I was diagnosed with IPF. in 1992 > > caused from work related chemicals,from old history. > > I did public work until about 5 years ago. > > I started using my oxygen to sleep with after a sleep study was > done > > in 2006.During the study my oxygen went down so low they woke me > up > > to see if I was breathing.Said I could have a heart attack from > it > > being so low. > > My breathing just got real bad the end of 2007 now I am on it all > the > > time set on 3. I started using the liquid the first of this year. > > Always complaining it does not work right. > > It only comes out on one side of the nose tube.They tell me this > is > > right. > > Question is who is right? They are coming out again tomorrow and > I > > hope get it right.When I do go out I feel like I can't hardly > breath > > at all. I stay home now seldom get out. just don't have the > energy to > > do much any more. I also have a lot of other health problems. > > I would appreciate any advise on the Helios Plus. > > thanks for taking the time to read this . > > Ruth > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Sher, That is ok. You have a lot of people to try and remember. I think you do very well. I feel so guilty setting here knowing that I should be up doing laundry or changing the bed. But you know I say if any one wants to do it,than go for it.I will set and watch. Ruth > > > > Welcome Ruth. It's always sad to me when a " newbie " comes on the > board but I know you are in such a good place for information and > support. There is always someone here to be of help. Usually more > than one! > > I can't help with Helios but there are many here who can. I don't > use liquid. > > I do relate to having a lot of other health problems however. I > deal with that stuff every day. > > I too have little energy. I seldom go out except to Drs. > > I'm turning 70 next month and was dx (diagnosed) more than 2 years > ago. Until recently I have been fairly stable. > > It is sad news to read your husband has COPD and I imagine it is > difficult for you to take care of both of you. > > Where do you live? I'm in Oregon. > > Glad to have you with us. We'll get more acquainted as time goes > along. > > > > MamaSher, age 69. IPF 3-06, OR./ Nasturtiums > > Don't fret about tomorrow, God is already there! > > > > liquid oxygen > > > > > > Hi everyone, I joined the group awhile ago. > > Just been reading and not shearing much. > > I am almost 71, married and we are both on oxygen. > > Hubby has COPD.He had a lung collapse in 1991. > > He has been almost completely disable sense. > > I try to take care of the both of us. > > I was diagnosed with IPF. in 1992 > > caused from work related chemicals,from old history. > > I did public work until about 5 years ago. > > I started using my oxygen to sleep with after a sleep study was > done > > in 2006.During the study my oxygen went down so low they woke me > up > > to see if I was breathing.Said I could have a heart attack from > it > > being so low. > > My breathing just got real bad the end of 2007 now I am on it all > the > > time set on 3. I started using the liquid the first of this year. > > Always complaining it does not work right. > > It only comes out on one side of the nose tube.They tell me this > is > > right. > > Question is who is right? They are coming out again tomorrow and > I > > hope get it right.When I do go out I feel like I can't hardly > breath > > at all. I stay home now seldom get out. just don't have the > energy to > > do much any more. I also have a lot of other health problems. > > I would appreciate any advise on the Helios Plus. > > thanks for taking the time to read this . > > Ruth > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Ruth > > > > > Hi everyone, I joined the group awhile ago. > > > Just been reading and not shearing much. > > > I am almost 71, married and we are both on oxygen. > > > Hubby has COPD.He had a lung collapse in 1991. > > > He has been almost completely disable sense. > > > I try to take care of the both of us. > > > I was diagnosed with IPF. in 1992 > > > caused from work related chemicals,from old history. > > > I did public work until about 5 years ago. > > > I started using my oxygen to sleep with after a sleep study was > done > > > in 2006.During the study my oxygen went down so low they woke me > up > > > to see if I was breathing.Said I could have a heart attack from it > > > being so low. > > > My breathing just got real bad the end of 2007 now I am on it all > the > > > time set on 3. I started using the liquid the first of this year. > > > Always complaining it does not work right. > > > It only comes out on one side of the nose tube.They tell me this > is > > > right. > > > Question is who is right? They are coming out again tomorrow and I > > > hope get it right.When I do go out I feel like I can't hardly > breath > > > at all. I stay home now seldom get out. just don't have the > energy to > > > do much any more. I also have a lot of other health problems. > > > I would appreciate any advise on the Helios Plus. > > > thanks for taking the time to read this . > > > Ruth > > > > > > > > > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. > > >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > >Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.6/1540 - Release Date: > 7/8/2008 6:33 AM > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Ruth > > > > > Hi everyone, I joined the group awhile ago. > > > Just been reading and not shearing much. > > > I am almost 71, married and we are both on oxygen. > > > Hubby has COPD.He had a lung collapse in 1991. > > > He has been almost completely disable sense. > > > I try to take care of the both of us. > > > I was diagnosed with IPF. in 1992 > > > caused from work related chemicals,from old history. > > > I did public work until about 5 years ago. > > > I started using my oxygen to sleep with after a sleep study was > done > > > in 2006.During the study my oxygen went down so low they woke me > up > > > to see if I was breathing.Said I could have a heart attack from it > > > being so low. > > > My breathing just got real bad the end of 2007 now I am on it all > the > > > time set on 3. I started using the liquid the first of this year. > > > Always complaining it does not work right. > > > It only comes out on one side of the nose tube.They tell me this > is > > > right. > > > Question is who is right? They are coming out again tomorrow and I > > > hope get it right.When I do go out I feel like I can't hardly > breath > > > at all. I stay home now seldom get out. just don't have the > energy to > > > do much any more. I also have a lot of other health problems. > > > I would appreciate any advise on the Helios Plus. > > > thanks for taking the time to read this . > > > Ruth > > > > > > > > > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. > > >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > >Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.6/1540 - Release Date: > 7/8/2008 6:33 AM > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Ruth Both exertion and the equipment. If you need 3 sitting you're very likely to need more exerting. If you need 3 on a stationary machine, 3 lpm on the Helios Plus isn't likely to be enough. I'd strongly suggest the Helios Marathon even though it is bigger and heavier. It just has more capability. Now going in only one side isn't a problem, though two sides is available too. If you don't have an oximeter, please get one. > > > > > > > Hi everyone, I joined the group awhile ago. > > > > Just been reading and not shearing much. > > > > I am almost 71, married and we are both on oxygen. > > > > Hubby has COPD.He had a lung collapse in 1991. > > > > He has been almost completely disable sense. > > > > I try to take care of the both of us. > > > > I was diagnosed with IPF. in 1992 > > > > caused from work related chemicals,from old history. > > > > I did public work until about 5 years ago. > > > > I started using my oxygen to sleep with after a sleep study was > > done > > > > in 2006.During the study my oxygen went down so low they woke me > > up > > > > to see if I was breathing.Said I could have a heart attack from it > > > > being so low. > > > > My breathing just got real bad the end of 2007 now I am on it all > > the > > > > time set on 3. I started using the liquid the first of this year. > > > > Always complaining it does not work right. > > > > It only comes out on one side of the nose tube.They tell me this > > is > > > > right. > > > > Question is who is right? They are coming out again tomorrow and I > > > > hope get it right.When I do go out I feel like I can't hardly > > breath > > > > at all. I stay home now seldom get out. just don't have the > > energy to > > > > do much any more. I also have a lot of other health problems. > > > > I would appreciate any advise on the Helios Plus. > > > > thanks for taking the time to read this . > > > > Ruth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. > > > >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > > >Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.6/1540 - Release Date: > > 7/8/2008 6:33 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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