Guest guest Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 Please don’t exhaust other options before chelating. I know I’m going to be blasted by others on this list for saying that, but I can’t in good conscience watch a child possibly have negative consequences from not speaking up especially when there are so many other options to try first.. I was just told by another mom about a kid who was chelated and died as a result. This doctor’s credentials are being looked into and who knows if things were done right. But this can be dangerous. And our doctor says the damage from chelation can be seen on brain neurospects.My son is recovered and in college at 22 as a result of the NIDS protocol. Please know your son can get better with proper medical treatment and then rehabilitation. No parent should accept that their child cannot be helped. We treated with antivirals on the NIDS protocol. Maybe he has the XMRV retrovirus, and it was addressed by using the antivirals and other things we did to help his immune problem. I don’t know the answer to that question. However, is living proof that kids can get better. was diagnosed when he was four years old. A psychiatrist who was the leading authority on autism said my child would never be okay. According to this expert, was going to end up in an institution or group home. Now at 22, the only institution attends is a University where he studies mechanical engineering on a merit scholarship. excels academically and is in the Engineering Honor Society (top 10% GPA). He‘s a member of Sigma Chi Fraternity and was president of the Jewish Student Association. And he just received a NASA paid internship and scholarship. But more importantly, is a typical college student who drinks an occasional beer, goes on dates, stays out too late with friends and then sleeps through eight o’clock classes. I couldn’t be more proud!Unbelievable as it seems, this is the same child who wanted to spend all day, every day, plugging in a portable radio into each outlet in the house. Back then, I wasn’t sure if I had the strength to be more stubborn than my son. There were mornings I didn’t want to get out of bed to face another day filled with autism. The worst times were when I didn’t have a direction or a plan. I was hanging onto my sanity by my fingernails. But, at the end of the day, I was faced with a choice: let drift off forever into his own world, or drag him kicking and screaming into ours.Now it may look like we knew what we were doing back then. But we didn’t. It was trial and error to see what worked to help him. After we helped medically, it was possible for him to learn. Behavioral and educational interventions were used in conjunction with the medical treatment to catch up on everything he missed. Initially, we used Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA) for his rehabilitation and when he was ready we moved towards more natural ways of teaching. It took years to correct ’s deficits in speech and social skills. It was almost like taking a stroke victim and bringing them back. Our story is not about coping with autism, but rather fighting back and not accepting the misconceptions associated with this diagnosis. This process is definitely not for sissies or parents looking for that magic cure. If you would like more info on what we did medically, please email me privately. Hope this helps,Marcia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 Please don’t exhaust other options before chelating. I know I’m going to be blasted by others on this list for saying that, but I can’t in good conscience watch a child possibly have negative consequences from not speaking up especially when there are so many other options to try first.. I was just told by another mom about a kid who was chelated and died as a result. This doctor’s credentials are being looked into and who knows if things were done right. But this can be dangerous. And our doctor says the damage from chelation can be seen on brain neurospects.My son is recovered and in college at 22 as a result of the NIDS protocol. Please know your son can get better with proper medical treatment and then rehabilitation. No parent should accept that their child cannot be helped. We treated with antivirals on the NIDS protocol. Maybe he has the XMRV retrovirus, and it was addressed by using the antivirals and other things we did to help his immune problem. I don’t know the answer to that question. However, is living proof that kids can get better. was diagnosed when he was four years old. A psychiatrist who was the leading authority on autism said my child would never be okay. According to this expert, was going to end up in an institution or group home. Now at 22, the only institution attends is a University where he studies mechanical engineering on a merit scholarship. excels academically and is in the Engineering Honor Society (top 10% GPA). He‘s a member of Sigma Chi Fraternity and was president of the Jewish Student Association. And he just received a NASA paid internship and scholarship. But more importantly, is a typical college student who drinks an occasional beer, goes on dates, stays out too late with friends and then sleeps through eight o’clock classes. I couldn’t be more proud!Unbelievable as it seems, this is the same child who wanted to spend all day, every day, plugging in a portable radio into each outlet in the house. Back then, I wasn’t sure if I had the strength to be more stubborn than my son. There were mornings I didn’t want to get out of bed to face another day filled with autism. The worst times were when I didn’t have a direction or a plan. I was hanging onto my sanity by my fingernails. But, at the end of the day, I was faced with a choice: let drift off forever into his own world, or drag him kicking and screaming into ours.Now it may look like we knew what we were doing back then. But we didn’t. It was trial and error to see what worked to help him. After we helped medically, it was possible for him to learn. Behavioral and educational interventions were used in conjunction with the medical treatment to catch up on everything he missed. Initially, we used Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA) for his rehabilitation and when he was ready we moved towards more natural ways of teaching. It took years to correct ’s deficits in speech and social skills. It was almost like taking a stroke victim and bringing them back. Our story is not about coping with autism, but rather fighting back and not accepting the misconceptions associated with this diagnosis. This process is definitely not for sissies or parents looking for that magic cure. If you would like more info on what we did medically, please email me privately. Hope this helps,Marcia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 > > Please don’t exhaust other options before chelating. I know I’m going to be blasted by others on this list for saying that, No, you're not. Caution is, in my opinion, always warranted in everything you do. That doesn't mean that everyone is going to have your opinion on chelation, though. > but I can’t in good conscience watch a child possibly have negative consequences from not speaking up especially when there are so many other options to try first.. I was just told by another mom about a kid who was chelated and died as a result. This doctor’s credentials are being looked into and who knows if things were done right. But this can be dangerous. I have no intention of arguing with you about the merits of chelation. I really just want to address the very tragic death. This is an old story. He is not currently being investigated for anything related to this because it's over and done. Here is what happened to the doctor. http://www.casewatch.org/board/med/kerry/complaint.shtml (this of course, was posted by someone who is very much anti-biomed since he left out some very important information - meaning what he says is very true, but certain things left out to give a certain impression). You'll notice he says what medication the boy was given, that he has autism and then goes into the theory of metals/autism. But he leaves out one very crucial piece of information. The fact of the matter is, he was given the wrong medication and did die as a result. The boy's name was Abubakar Tariq Nadama and it was tragic. There are lots of stories online that make a lot of claims and assumptions but it wasn't chelation that killed him, it was the wrong drug. This was in 2005, I believe. To my knowledge, he's the only child that has died from chelation with a DAN (I believe Usman was his actual Dr. - he went to Kerry for the IV). There are two types of EDTA and he was given Disodium EDTA instead of Calcium Disodium EDTA. Here is the autopsy report, interpreted by the CDC, from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06018/639721.stm I specifically chose not to send a link from a pro-biomed source so you can see that it's not something just made up by the autism community. You can google his name and you will find a slew of negative things being said. I'm telling you this because the information is readily available and much of it is completely unreliable - but out there. It's easy for people that don't actually know anything about it to sling the mud. It's easy for those that only hear the horror of Tariq's death to sit in judgment. There's more than one way to chelate. And there are alternatives to IV and high dose chelation. But the baby gets thrown out with the bath water because people that don't actually know anything about chelation think it's okay to sit in judgment and yack loudly and proudly about something they don't even understand and leave out certain details in order to make themselves sound more compelling. The story is used to somehow " prove " that chelation is dangerous and terrible and unfounded when the sad fact is the boy died. And died because he was given the wrong medication. It's tragic and the whole ordeal has been used as some kind of pawn in the autism vs. the rest of medicine game. Clearly something went wrong and I would have sued that a$$hole doctor that did something so careless and permanent myself. And I don't doubt he tried to do whatever he could to try to worm his way out of it - it's human nature to want to save yourself. Mistakes happen - unfortunately this one took a life. My husbands former boss's wife also had the wrong lung removed in a transplant surgery. It happens in mainstream medicine, too. t happened 6 years ago and is no less tragic now than it was then. His story keeps getting passed around and somehow, it keeps sounding like this is something that just happened recently and then there's confusion that this is a *new* boy. It's one boy's story being told over and over trying to make people believe it happened yesterday and trying to make people believe that chelation is unwarranted - something that today is still unproven *either way*. Safety and efficacy of the choices anyone makes should always be researched. There's plenty of debate *within* biomed about the different types of chelation therapies and there safety. Personally, I would never IV chelate. Nor would I consider high dose chelation. But that's because I researched and made a choice that was right for us. A family was crushed and will never fully recover. I don't blame the parents for any reaction they have, even if it's to rain down hellfire on any kind of alternative treatments. They have that right, they lost a child in their quest for help. I don't know how I would react in their shoes. He needs to be remembered for being a boy that needed help. A boy that could have had a future and parents that could have had their son for so much longer than they got. A boy that died because of a mistake. Not some poster-child to support an agenda he doesn't even fit. Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 > > Please don’t exhaust other options before chelating. I know I’m going to be blasted by others on this list for saying that, No, you're not. Caution is, in my opinion, always warranted in everything you do. That doesn't mean that everyone is going to have your opinion on chelation, though. > but I can’t in good conscience watch a child possibly have negative consequences from not speaking up especially when there are so many other options to try first.. I was just told by another mom about a kid who was chelated and died as a result. This doctor’s credentials are being looked into and who knows if things were done right. But this can be dangerous. I have no intention of arguing with you about the merits of chelation. I really just want to address the very tragic death. This is an old story. He is not currently being investigated for anything related to this because it's over and done. Here is what happened to the doctor. http://www.casewatch.org/board/med/kerry/complaint.shtml (this of course, was posted by someone who is very much anti-biomed since he left out some very important information - meaning what he says is very true, but certain things left out to give a certain impression). You'll notice he says what medication the boy was given, that he has autism and then goes into the theory of metals/autism. But he leaves out one very crucial piece of information. The fact of the matter is, he was given the wrong medication and did die as a result. The boy's name was Abubakar Tariq Nadama and it was tragic. There are lots of stories online that make a lot of claims and assumptions but it wasn't chelation that killed him, it was the wrong drug. This was in 2005, I believe. To my knowledge, he's the only child that has died from chelation with a DAN (I believe Usman was his actual Dr. - he went to Kerry for the IV). There are two types of EDTA and he was given Disodium EDTA instead of Calcium Disodium EDTA. Here is the autopsy report, interpreted by the CDC, from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06018/639721.stm I specifically chose not to send a link from a pro-biomed source so you can see that it's not something just made up by the autism community. You can google his name and you will find a slew of negative things being said. I'm telling you this because the information is readily available and much of it is completely unreliable - but out there. It's easy for people that don't actually know anything about it to sling the mud. It's easy for those that only hear the horror of Tariq's death to sit in judgment. There's more than one way to chelate. And there are alternatives to IV and high dose chelation. But the baby gets thrown out with the bath water because people that don't actually know anything about chelation think it's okay to sit in judgment and yack loudly and proudly about something they don't even understand and leave out certain details in order to make themselves sound more compelling. The story is used to somehow " prove " that chelation is dangerous and terrible and unfounded when the sad fact is the boy died. And died because he was given the wrong medication. It's tragic and the whole ordeal has been used as some kind of pawn in the autism vs. the rest of medicine game. Clearly something went wrong and I would have sued that a$$hole doctor that did something so careless and permanent myself. And I don't doubt he tried to do whatever he could to try to worm his way out of it - it's human nature to want to save yourself. Mistakes happen - unfortunately this one took a life. My husbands former boss's wife also had the wrong lung removed in a transplant surgery. It happens in mainstream medicine, too. t happened 6 years ago and is no less tragic now than it was then. His story keeps getting passed around and somehow, it keeps sounding like this is something that just happened recently and then there's confusion that this is a *new* boy. It's one boy's story being told over and over trying to make people believe it happened yesterday and trying to make people believe that chelation is unwarranted - something that today is still unproven *either way*. Safety and efficacy of the choices anyone makes should always be researched. There's plenty of debate *within* biomed about the different types of chelation therapies and there safety. Personally, I would never IV chelate. Nor would I consider high dose chelation. But that's because I researched and made a choice that was right for us. A family was crushed and will never fully recover. I don't blame the parents for any reaction they have, even if it's to rain down hellfire on any kind of alternative treatments. They have that right, they lost a child in their quest for help. I don't know how I would react in their shoes. He needs to be remembered for being a boy that needed help. A boy that could have had a future and parents that could have had their son for so much longer than they got. A boy that died because of a mistake. Not some poster-child to support an agenda he doesn't even fit. Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 > > Please don’t exhaust other options before chelating. I know I’m going to be blasted by others on this list for saying that, No, you're not. Caution is, in my opinion, always warranted in everything you do. That doesn't mean that everyone is going to have your opinion on chelation, though. > but I can’t in good conscience watch a child possibly have negative consequences from not speaking up especially when there are so many other options to try first.. I was just told by another mom about a kid who was chelated and died as a result. This doctor’s credentials are being looked into and who knows if things were done right. But this can be dangerous. I have no intention of arguing with you about the merits of chelation. I really just want to address the very tragic death. This is an old story. He is not currently being investigated for anything related to this because it's over and done. Here is what happened to the doctor. http://www.casewatch.org/board/med/kerry/complaint.shtml (this of course, was posted by someone who is very much anti-biomed since he left out some very important information - meaning what he says is very true, but certain things left out to give a certain impression). You'll notice he says what medication the boy was given, that he has autism and then goes into the theory of metals/autism. But he leaves out one very crucial piece of information. The fact of the matter is, he was given the wrong medication and did die as a result. The boy's name was Abubakar Tariq Nadama and it was tragic. There are lots of stories online that make a lot of claims and assumptions but it wasn't chelation that killed him, it was the wrong drug. This was in 2005, I believe. To my knowledge, he's the only child that has died from chelation with a DAN (I believe Usman was his actual Dr. - he went to Kerry for the IV). There are two types of EDTA and he was given Disodium EDTA instead of Calcium Disodium EDTA. Here is the autopsy report, interpreted by the CDC, from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06018/639721.stm I specifically chose not to send a link from a pro-biomed source so you can see that it's not something just made up by the autism community. You can google his name and you will find a slew of negative things being said. I'm telling you this because the information is readily available and much of it is completely unreliable - but out there. It's easy for people that don't actually know anything about it to sling the mud. It's easy for those that only hear the horror of Tariq's death to sit in judgment. There's more than one way to chelate. And there are alternatives to IV and high dose chelation. But the baby gets thrown out with the bath water because people that don't actually know anything about chelation think it's okay to sit in judgment and yack loudly and proudly about something they don't even understand and leave out certain details in order to make themselves sound more compelling. The story is used to somehow " prove " that chelation is dangerous and terrible and unfounded when the sad fact is the boy died. And died because he was given the wrong medication. It's tragic and the whole ordeal has been used as some kind of pawn in the autism vs. the rest of medicine game. Clearly something went wrong and I would have sued that a$$hole doctor that did something so careless and permanent myself. And I don't doubt he tried to do whatever he could to try to worm his way out of it - it's human nature to want to save yourself. Mistakes happen - unfortunately this one took a life. My husbands former boss's wife also had the wrong lung removed in a transplant surgery. It happens in mainstream medicine, too. t happened 6 years ago and is no less tragic now than it was then. His story keeps getting passed around and somehow, it keeps sounding like this is something that just happened recently and then there's confusion that this is a *new* boy. It's one boy's story being told over and over trying to make people believe it happened yesterday and trying to make people believe that chelation is unwarranted - something that today is still unproven *either way*. Safety and efficacy of the choices anyone makes should always be researched. There's plenty of debate *within* biomed about the different types of chelation therapies and there safety. Personally, I would never IV chelate. Nor would I consider high dose chelation. But that's because I researched and made a choice that was right for us. A family was crushed and will never fully recover. I don't blame the parents for any reaction they have, even if it's to rain down hellfire on any kind of alternative treatments. They have that right, they lost a child in their quest for help. I don't know how I would react in their shoes. He needs to be remembered for being a boy that needed help. A boy that could have had a future and parents that could have had their son for so much longer than they got. A boy that died because of a mistake. Not some poster-child to support an agenda he doesn't even fit. Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 You go, girl. ; )To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Mon, January 31, 2011 1:09:08 PMSubject: Re: Re: aba coverage : self funded : federally regulated ..NJ ..Help > > Please don’t exhaust other options before chelating. I know I’m going to be blasted by others on this list for saying that,No, you're not. Caution is, in my opinion, always warranted in everything you do. That doesn't mean that everyone is going to have your opinion on chelation, though. > but I can’t in good conscience watch a child possibly have negative consequences from not speaking up especially when there are so many other options to try first.. I was just told by another mom about a kid who was chelated and died as a result. This doctor’s credentials are being looked into and who knows if things were done right. But this can be dangerous. I have no intention of arguing with you about the merits of chelation. I really just want to address the very tragic death.This is an old story. He is not currently being investigated for anything related to this because it's over and done. Here is what happened to the doctor. http://www.casewatch.org/board/med/kerry/complaint.shtml (this of course, was posted by someone who is very much anti-biomed since he left out some very important information - meaning what he says is very true, but certain things left out to give a certain impression). You'll notice he says what medication the boy was given, that he has autism and then goes into the theory of metals/autism. But he leaves out one very crucial piece of information. The fact of the matter is, he was given the wrong medication and did die as a result. The boy's name was Abubakar Tariq Nadama and it was tragic. There are lots of stories online that make a lot of claims and assumptions but it wasn't chelation that killed him, it was the wrong drug. This was in 2005, I believe. To my knowledge, he's the only child that has died from chelation with a DAN (I believe Usman was his actual Dr. - he went to Kerry for the IV). There are two types of EDTA and he was given Disodium EDTA instead of Calcium Disodium EDTA. Here is the autopsy report, interpreted by the CDC, from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06018/639721.stmI specifically chose not to send a link from a pro-biomed source so you can see that it's not something just made up by the autism community.You can google his name and you will find a slew of negative things being said. I'm telling you this because the information is readily available and much of it is completely unreliable - but out there. It's easy for people that don't actually know anything about it to sling the mud. It's easy for those that only hear the horror of Tariq's death to sit in judgment. There's more than one way to chelate. And there are alternatives to IV and high dose chelation. But the baby gets thrown out with the bath water because people that don't actually know anything about chelation think it's okay to sit in judgment and yack loudly and proudly about something they don't even understand and leave out certain details in order to make themselves sound more compelling. The story is used to somehow "prove" that chelation is dangerous and terrible and unfounded when the sad fact is the boy died. And died because he was given the wrong medication. It's tragic and the whole ordeal has been used as some kind of pawn in the autism vs. the rest of medicine game. Clearly something went wrong and I would have sued that a$$hole doctor that did something so careless and permanent myself. And I don't doubt he tried to do whatever he could to try to worm his way out of it - it's human nature to want to save yourself. Mistakes happen - unfortunately this one took a life. My husbands former boss's wife also had the wrong lung removed in a transplant surgery. It happens in mainstream medicine, too.t happened 6 years ago and is no less tragic now than it was then. His story keeps getting passed around and somehow, it keeps sounding like this is something that just happened recently and then there's confusion that this is a *new* boy. It's one boy's story being told over and over trying to make people believe it happened yesterday and trying to make people believe that chelation is unwarranted - something that today is still unproven *either way*.Safety and efficacy of the choices anyone makes should always be researched. There's plenty of debate *within* biomed about the different types of chelation therapies and there safety. Personally, I would never IV chelate. Nor would I consider high dose chelation. But that's because I researched and made a choice that was right for us.A family was crushed and will never fully recover. I don't blame the parents for any reaction they have, even if it's to rain down hellfire on any kind of alternative treatments. They have that right, they lost a child in their quest for help. I don't know how I would react in their shoes.He needs to be remembered for being a boy that needed help. A boy that could have had a future and parents that could have had their son for so much longer than they got. A boy that died because of a mistake. Not some poster-child to support an agenda he doesn't even fit. Cheryl------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 You go, girl. ; )To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Mon, January 31, 2011 1:09:08 PMSubject: Re: Re: aba coverage : self funded : federally regulated ..NJ ..Help > > Please don’t exhaust other options before chelating. I know I’m going to be blasted by others on this list for saying that,No, you're not. Caution is, in my opinion, always warranted in everything you do. That doesn't mean that everyone is going to have your opinion on chelation, though. > but I can’t in good conscience watch a child possibly have negative consequences from not speaking up especially when there are so many other options to try first.. I was just told by another mom about a kid who was chelated and died as a result. This doctor’s credentials are being looked into and who knows if things were done right. But this can be dangerous. I have no intention of arguing with you about the merits of chelation. I really just want to address the very tragic death.This is an old story. He is not currently being investigated for anything related to this because it's over and done. Here is what happened to the doctor. http://www.casewatch.org/board/med/kerry/complaint.shtml (this of course, was posted by someone who is very much anti-biomed since he left out some very important information - meaning what he says is very true, but certain things left out to give a certain impression). You'll notice he says what medication the boy was given, that he has autism and then goes into the theory of metals/autism. But he leaves out one very crucial piece of information. The fact of the matter is, he was given the wrong medication and did die as a result. The boy's name was Abubakar Tariq Nadama and it was tragic. There are lots of stories online that make a lot of claims and assumptions but it wasn't chelation that killed him, it was the wrong drug. This was in 2005, I believe. To my knowledge, he's the only child that has died from chelation with a DAN (I believe Usman was his actual Dr. - he went to Kerry for the IV). There are two types of EDTA and he was given Disodium EDTA instead of Calcium Disodium EDTA. Here is the autopsy report, interpreted by the CDC, from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06018/639721.stmI specifically chose not to send a link from a pro-biomed source so you can see that it's not something just made up by the autism community.You can google his name and you will find a slew of negative things being said. I'm telling you this because the information is readily available and much of it is completely unreliable - but out there. It's easy for people that don't actually know anything about it to sling the mud. It's easy for those that only hear the horror of Tariq's death to sit in judgment. There's more than one way to chelate. And there are alternatives to IV and high dose chelation. But the baby gets thrown out with the bath water because people that don't actually know anything about chelation think it's okay to sit in judgment and yack loudly and proudly about something they don't even understand and leave out certain details in order to make themselves sound more compelling. The story is used to somehow "prove" that chelation is dangerous and terrible and unfounded when the sad fact is the boy died. And died because he was given the wrong medication. It's tragic and the whole ordeal has been used as some kind of pawn in the autism vs. the rest of medicine game. Clearly something went wrong and I would have sued that a$$hole doctor that did something so careless and permanent myself. And I don't doubt he tried to do whatever he could to try to worm his way out of it - it's human nature to want to save yourself. Mistakes happen - unfortunately this one took a life. My husbands former boss's wife also had the wrong lung removed in a transplant surgery. It happens in mainstream medicine, too.t happened 6 years ago and is no less tragic now than it was then. His story keeps getting passed around and somehow, it keeps sounding like this is something that just happened recently and then there's confusion that this is a *new* boy. It's one boy's story being told over and over trying to make people believe it happened yesterday and trying to make people believe that chelation is unwarranted - something that today is still unproven *either way*.Safety and efficacy of the choices anyone makes should always be researched. There's plenty of debate *within* biomed about the different types of chelation therapies and there safety. Personally, I would never IV chelate. Nor would I consider high dose chelation. But that's because I researched and made a choice that was right for us.A family was crushed and will never fully recover. I don't blame the parents for any reaction they have, even if it's to rain down hellfire on any kind of alternative treatments. They have that right, they lost a child in their quest for help. I don't know how I would react in their shoes.He needs to be remembered for being a boy that needed help. A boy that could have had a future and parents that could have had their son for so much longer than they got. A boy that died because of a mistake. Not some poster-child to support an agenda he doesn't even fit. Cheryl------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 You go, girl. ; )To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Mon, January 31, 2011 1:09:08 PMSubject: Re: Re: aba coverage : self funded : federally regulated ..NJ ..Help > > Please don’t exhaust other options before chelating. I know I’m going to be blasted by others on this list for saying that,No, you're not. Caution is, in my opinion, always warranted in everything you do. That doesn't mean that everyone is going to have your opinion on chelation, though. > but I can’t in good conscience watch a child possibly have negative consequences from not speaking up especially when there are so many other options to try first.. I was just told by another mom about a kid who was chelated and died as a result. This doctor’s credentials are being looked into and who knows if things were done right. But this can be dangerous. I have no intention of arguing with you about the merits of chelation. I really just want to address the very tragic death.This is an old story. He is not currently being investigated for anything related to this because it's over and done. Here is what happened to the doctor. http://www.casewatch.org/board/med/kerry/complaint.shtml (this of course, was posted by someone who is very much anti-biomed since he left out some very important information - meaning what he says is very true, but certain things left out to give a certain impression). You'll notice he says what medication the boy was given, that he has autism and then goes into the theory of metals/autism. But he leaves out one very crucial piece of information. The fact of the matter is, he was given the wrong medication and did die as a result. The boy's name was Abubakar Tariq Nadama and it was tragic. There are lots of stories online that make a lot of claims and assumptions but it wasn't chelation that killed him, it was the wrong drug. This was in 2005, I believe. To my knowledge, he's the only child that has died from chelation with a DAN (I believe Usman was his actual Dr. - he went to Kerry for the IV). There are two types of EDTA and he was given Disodium EDTA instead of Calcium Disodium EDTA. Here is the autopsy report, interpreted by the CDC, from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06018/639721.stmI specifically chose not to send a link from a pro-biomed source so you can see that it's not something just made up by the autism community.You can google his name and you will find a slew of negative things being said. I'm telling you this because the information is readily available and much of it is completely unreliable - but out there. It's easy for people that don't actually know anything about it to sling the mud. It's easy for those that only hear the horror of Tariq's death to sit in judgment. There's more than one way to chelate. And there are alternatives to IV and high dose chelation. But the baby gets thrown out with the bath water because people that don't actually know anything about chelation think it's okay to sit in judgment and yack loudly and proudly about something they don't even understand and leave out certain details in order to make themselves sound more compelling. The story is used to somehow "prove" that chelation is dangerous and terrible and unfounded when the sad fact is the boy died. And died because he was given the wrong medication. It's tragic and the whole ordeal has been used as some kind of pawn in the autism vs. the rest of medicine game. Clearly something went wrong and I would have sued that a$$hole doctor that did something so careless and permanent myself. And I don't doubt he tried to do whatever he could to try to worm his way out of it - it's human nature to want to save yourself. Mistakes happen - unfortunately this one took a life. My husbands former boss's wife also had the wrong lung removed in a transplant surgery. It happens in mainstream medicine, too.t happened 6 years ago and is no less tragic now than it was then. His story keeps getting passed around and somehow, it keeps sounding like this is something that just happened recently and then there's confusion that this is a *new* boy. It's one boy's story being told over and over trying to make people believe it happened yesterday and trying to make people believe that chelation is unwarranted - something that today is still unproven *either way*.Safety and efficacy of the choices anyone makes should always be researched. There's plenty of debate *within* biomed about the different types of chelation therapies and there safety. Personally, I would never IV chelate. Nor would I consider high dose chelation. But that's because I researched and made a choice that was right for us.A family was crushed and will never fully recover. I don't blame the parents for any reaction they have, even if it's to rain down hellfire on any kind of alternative treatments. They have that right, they lost a child in their quest for help. I don't know how I would react in their shoes.He needs to be remembered for being a boy that needed help. A boy that could have had a future and parents that could have had their son for so much longer than they got. A boy that died because of a mistake. Not some poster-child to support an agenda he doesn't even fit. Cheryl------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 Thank you Cheryl.While we are not chelating, and DO intend to exhaust all biomedical and other therapies before considering it, I don't like to see chelation as you said thrown out, baby and bathwater.I always appreciate Marcia's story. :-) I love " the only institution he's in now is... " :-) I didn't write it bash on Marcia - please, Marcia, I wasn't directing anything toward you personally. I'm just frustrated by this story. I wrote this because I want people to know the truth. Words have power. What you say and what you *don't* say is important and vital in the dissemination of information. It's easy to read all the haters out there and think that chelation killed Tariq. And that's because they are telling the truth, not lies - a boy was chelated and he died. But they aren't telling the *whole* truth. And the whole truth paints a very different picture. It wasn't chelation that killed him, it was carelessness and the wrong medication. If anything, this is cautionary tale to make sure you read the label of everything you allow anyone to give your child and make sure you know what the hell it is. Research and know about the medicines and supplements you are giving. Cheryl ~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com~ ~@Gryffins_Tail~ You go, girl. ; ) To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Mon, January 31, 2011 1:09:08 PM Subject: Re: Re: aba coverage : self funded : federally regulated ..NJ ..Help > > Please don’t exhaust other options before chelating. I know I’m going to be blasted by others on this list for saying that,No, you're not. Caution is, in my opinion, always warranted in everything you do. That doesn't mean that everyone is going to have your opinion on chelation, though. > but I can’t in good conscience watch a child possibly have negative consequences from not speaking up especially when there are so many other options to try first.. I was just told by another mom about a kid who was chelated and died as a result. This doctor’s credentials are being looked into and who knows if things were done right. But this can be dangerous. I have no intention of arguing with you about the merits of chelation. I really just want to address the very tragic death.This is an old story. He is not currently being investigated for anything related to this because it's over and done. Here is what happened to the doctor. http://www.casewatch.org/board/med/kerry/complaint.shtml (this of course, was posted by someone who is very much anti-biomed since he left out some very important information - meaning what he says is very true, but certain things left out to give a certain impression). You'll notice he says what medication the boy was given, that he has autism and then goes into the theory of metals/autism. But he leaves out one very crucial piece of information. The fact of the matter is, he was given the wrong medication and did die as a result. The boy's name was Abubakar Tariq Nadama and it was tragic. There are lots of stories online that make a lot of claims and assumptions but it wasn't chelation that killed him, it was the wrong drug. This was in 2005, I believe. To my knowledge, he's the only child that has died from chelation with a DAN (I believe Usman was his actual Dr. - he went to Kerry for the IV). There are two types of EDTA and he was given Disodium EDTA instead of Calcium Disodium EDTA. Here is the autopsy report, interpreted by the CDC, from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06018/639721.stm I specifically chose not to send a link from a pro-biomed source so you can see that it's not something just made up by the autism community.You can google his name and you will find a slew of negative things being said. I'm telling you this because the information is readily available and much of it is completely unreliable - but out there. It's easy for people that don't actually know anything about it to sling the mud. It's easy for those that only hear the horror of Tariq's death to sit in judgment. There's more than one way to chelate. And there are alternatives to IV and high dose chelation. But the baby gets thrown out with the bath water because people that don't actually know anything about chelation think it's okay to sit in judgment and yack loudly and proudly about something they don't even understand and leave out certain details in order to make themselves sound more compelling. The story is used to somehow " prove " that chelation is dangerous and terrible and unfounded when the sad fact is the boy died. And died because he was given the wrong medication. It's tragic and the whole ordeal has been used as some kind of pawn in the autism vs. the rest of medicine game. Clearly something went wrong and I would have sued that a$$hole doctor that did something so careless and permanent myself. And I don't doubt he tried to do whatever he could to try to worm his way out of it - it's human nature to want to save yourself. Mistakes happen - unfortunately this one took a life. My husbands former boss's wife also had the wrong lung removed in a transplant surgery. It happens in mainstream medicine, too. t happened 6 years ago and is no less tragic now than it was then. His story keeps getting passed around and somehow, it keeps sounding like this is something that just happened recently and then there's confusion that this is a *new* boy. It's one boy's story being told over and over trying to make people believe it happened yesterday and trying to make people believe that chelation is unwarranted - something that today is still unproven *either way*. Safety and efficacy of the choices anyone makes should always be researched. There's plenty of debate *within* biomed about the different types of chelation therapies and there safety. Personally, I would never IV chelate. Nor would I consider high dose chelation. But that's because I researched and made a choice that was right for us.A family was crushed and will never fully recover. I don't blame the parents for any reaction they have, even if it's to rain down hellfire on any kind of alternative treatments. They have that right, they lost a child in their quest for help. I don't know how I would react in their shoes. He needs to be remembered for being a boy that needed help. A boy that could have had a future and parents that could have had their son for so much longer than they got. A boy that died because of a mistake. Not some poster-child to support an agenda he doesn't even fit. Cheryl------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 Yep, and if you have the money of Dennis Quaid, you can sue Big Pharma on such a claim. And win. I can't remember if it was the case Cheryl has been talking about or another similar story, but many months ago, I read a story about it and the article had pictures showing how closely the labels resemble one another. All tiny black and white print on small vial labels. Believe me, it's a very easy mistake to make. Especially if a nurse is being rushed or distracted or reaching quickly in a crisis situation. Color-coding bottles is a cheap, easy way to spare a person from dying. Then again, using colored ink might cut down on their profit margin. Just sayin'...... To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Tue, February 1, 2011 12:20:51 AMSubject: Re: aba coverage : self funded : federally regulated ..NJ ..Help And, that child actually died due to a look-alike/sound-alike medication error.My mother in law was given a drug that could have caused brain damage. The nurse thought that she dosed diabetes medicine while MIL was being treated for cancer. I would never advise anyone to not treat either of these conditions. >> there has been ONE child who died from chelation in decades of chelation and tens if not hundreds of thousands of cases of chelation. just to put that into perspective, and it was the nurse who grabbed the wrong vile of stuff to chelate with not the dr. and he has been cleared of all wrong doing. you have greater odds of being hit by a car crossing the road tonight then dieing from chelation.... > > > > From: and Marcia Hinds > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:50 AM> To: lesliemom99@... ; mb12 valtrex > Subject: Re: aba coverage : self funded : federally regulated ..NJ ..Help> > > > > Please don't exhaust other options before chelating. I know I'm going to be blasted by others on this list for saying that, but I can't in good conscience watch a child possibly have negative consequences from not speaking up especially when there are so many other options to try first.. I was just told by another mom about a kid who was chelated and died as a result... -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 I've seen that woman post on a few different sites blasting chelation. I'm pretty sure she's in cahoots w/ Dr. G. I think it's hogwash, my daughter is doing IV chelation and is doing great. It's a safe drug that has been become standard of care for heavy metal poisoning (even in kids). The government uses it in biohazard " accidents " for the people affected. The one child that died got disodium EDTA instead of calcium EDTA I believe. I almost didn't do chelation because of that ladies rants and I would have missed out. She would rather promote SSRI's... > > > > there has been ONE child who died from chelation in decades of chelation and tens if not hundreds of thousands of cases of chelation. just to put that into perspective, and it was the nurse who grabbed the wrong vile of stuff to chelate with not the dr. and he has been cleared of all wrong doing. you have greater odds of being hit by a car crossing the road tonight then dieing from chelation.... > > > > > > > > From: and Marcia Hinds > > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:50 AM > > To: lesliemom99@ ; mb12 valtrex > > Subject: Re: aba coverage : self funded : federally regulated ...NJ ..Help > > > > > > > > > > Please don't exhaust other options before chelating. I know I'm going to be blasted by others on this list for saying that, but I can't in good conscience watch a child possibly have negative consequences from not speaking up especially when there are so many other options to try first.. I was just told by another mom about a kid who was chelated and died as a result... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 I think you are wrong! Everyones poison is different,and you have to be aware of all of them. At least I would like to know. Dr.Usman and Dr.Chandras protocal at True health Medical center made my son extremely sick.It was my sons poison. Now I am with Dr. R and he knew what not to put my son on. I want to know all good and bad and so should everyone else. Tammy F. I've seen that woman post on a few different sites blasting chelation. I'm pretty sure she's in cahoots w/ Dr. G. I think it's hogwash, my daughter is doing IV chelation and is doing great. It's a safe drug that has been become standard of care for heavy metal poisoning (even in kids). The government uses it in biohazard "accidents" for the people affected. The one child that died got disodium EDTA instead of calcium EDTA I believe. I almost didn't do chelation because of that ladies rants and I would have missed out. She would rather promote SSRI's... > > > > there has been ONE child who died from chelation in decades of chelation and tens if not hundreds of thousands of cases of chelation. just to put that into perspective, and it was the nurse who grabbed the wrong vile of stuff to chelate with not the dr. and he has been cleared of all wrong doing. you have greater odds of being hit by a car crossing the road tonight then dieing from chelation.... > > > > > > > > From: and Marcia Hinds > > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:50 AM > > To: lesliemom99@ ; mb12 valtrex > > Subject: Re: aba coverage : self funded : federally regulated ..NJ ..Help > > > > > > > > > > Please don't exhaust other options before chelating. I know I'm going to be blasted by others on this list for saying that, but I can't in good conscience watch a child possibly have negative consequences from not speaking up especially when there are so many other options to try first.. I was just told by another mom about a kid who was chelated and died as a result... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 Easy now. Let's not turn this into a NIDS vs. DAN battle. We have enough of those in the archives. Cheryl ~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com~~@Gryffins_Tail~ I've seen that woman post on a few different sites blasting chelation. I'm pretty sure she's in cahoots w/ Dr. G. I think it's hogwash, my daughter is doing IV chelation and is doing great. It's a safe drug that has been become standard of care for heavy metal poisoning (even in kids). The government uses it in biohazard "accidents" for the people affected. The one child that died got disodium EDTA instead of calcium EDTA I believe. I almost didn't do chelation because of that ladies rants and I would have missed out. She would rather promote SSRI's... > > > > there has been ONE child who died from chelation in decades of chelation and tens if not hundreds of thousands of cases of chelation. just to put that into perspective, and it was the nurse who grabbed the wrong vile of stuff to chelate with not the dr. and he has been cleared of all wrong doing. you have greater odds of being hit by a car crossing the road tonight then dieing from chelation.... > > > > > > > > From: and Marcia Hinds > > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:50 AM > > To: lesliemom99@ ; mb12 valtrex > > Subject: Re: aba coverage : self funded : federally regulated ..NJ ..Help > > > > > > > > > > Please don't exhaust other options before chelating. I know I'm going to be blasted by others on this list for saying that, but I can't in good conscience watch a child possibly have negative consequences from not speaking up especially when there are so many other options to try first.. I was just told by another mom about a kid who was chelated and died as a result... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 ,How old is your kiddo? The reason you haven’t heard of NIDS is because Dr. Goldberg often critical of the DAN doctors who do not follow his protocol and as a result some doctors don’t like him. He was the answer for many ( including my son) who do the behavioral and educational interventions to catch their kids up on what they missed while they were ill. He never trained others in his methods, maybe because it is different for every child and difficult to teach another doctor how to do. And there are some children whose immune issues are more compromised so not everyone recovers, but they all seem to improve medically. If he would have trained doctors many years ago like many of us parents requested, I think it would have been NIDS instead of DAN. He treats every child individually for their medical issues. Dr G is a genius medically. Although he recovered my kid and I will always be grateful, he is sometimes difficult to deal with personally. Dr Bruce also treats children for NIDS. If you are even considering seeing Dr. Goldberg or Dr. , you should call their offices to get on the waiting list. Dr Goldberg is in Tarzana, CA . Dr. has a clinic in Port Arkansas, Texas. . (His own child who is on the spectrum sees Dr. Goldberg) Dr also visits a clinic in New York several times a year. The director of the Northern New York Clinic is Kathy on and she is wonderful. The number of the New York clinic is . Their website is http://www.nnyautismcenter.com All the clinics are great, pick the one that is closest to you. FYI—Dr Goldberg has a book coming out in mid February.  I predict it will be much harder to get in after it comes out. Here is a link to it: http://www.amazon.com/Myth-Autism-Misunderstood-Epidemic-Destroying/dp/1616081716 I will forward two emails to you privately to give you more information to help.Best,Marcia From: Mom Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 8:40 AMTo: and Marcia HindsSubject: Re: aba coverage : self funded : federally regulated ..NJ ..Help Hi and Hinds,Sorry sent it to the whole group with realizing.Your story is very inspiring . Thanks for this great mail.I loved the pains you took to writing this email. All this a few years ago. That must be something. I am so happy for you and your son.I feel my son is intelligent and smart. He has something in him that is stopping him from doing things. I had always suspected worms or something. When I told my ped, she was like are you crazy.What is NIDS? May I know what did you do medically. We just ran a few blood test specified in the scia files(immune). Waiting for the results.Thanks so much.3yrs old ASD ... will start cheltion soonSubject: Re: aba coverage : self funded : federally regulated ..NJ ..HelpTo: lesliemom99@..., mb12 valtrex Date: Monday, 31 January, 2011, 3:50 PMPlease don’t exhaust other options before chelating. I know I’m going to be blasted by others on this list for saying that, but I can’t in good conscience watch a child possibly have negative consequences from not speaking up especially when there are so many other options to try first.. I was just told by another mom about a kid who was chelated and died as a result. This doctor’s credentials are being looked into and who knows if things were done right. But this can be dangerous. And our doctor says the damage from chelation can be seen on brain neurospects.My son is recovered and in college at 22 as a result of the NIDS protocol. Please know your son can get better with proper medical treatment and then rehabilitation. No parent should accept that their child cannot be helped. We treated with antivirals on the NIDS protocol. Maybe he has the XMRV retrovirus, and it was addressed by using the antivirals and other things we did to help his immune problem. I don’t know the answer to that question. However, is living proof that kids can get better. was diagnosed when he was four years old. A psychiatrist who was the leading authority on autism said my child would never be okay. According to this expert, was going to end up in an institution or group home. Now at 22, the only institution attends is a University where he studies mechanical engineering on a merit scholarship. excels academically and is in the Engineering Honor Society (top 10% GPA). He‘s a member of Sigma Chi Fraternity and was president of the Jewish Student Association. And he just received a NASA paid internship and scholarship. But more importantly, is a typical college student who drinks an occasional beer, goes on dates, stays out too late with friends and then sleeps through eight o’clock classes. I couldn’t be more proud!Unbelievable as it seems, this is the same child who wanted to spend all day, every day, plugging in a portable radio into each outlet in the house. Back then, I wasn’t sure if I had the strength to be more stubborn than my son. There were mornings I didn’t want to get out of bed to face another day filled with autism. The worst times were when I didn’t have a direction or a plan. I was hanging onto my sanity by my fingernails. But, at the end of the day, I was faced with a choice: let drift off forever into his own world, or drag him kicking and screaming into ours.Now it may look like we knew what we were doing back then. But we didn’t. It was trial and error to see what worked to help him. After we helped medically, it was possible for him to learn. Behavioral and educational interventions were used in conjunction with the medical treatment to catch up on everything he missed. Initially, we used Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA) for his rehabilitation and when he was ready we moved towards more natural ways of teaching. It took years to correct ’s deficits in speech and social skills. It was almost like taking a stroke victim and bringing them back. Our story is not about coping with autism, but rather fighting back and not accepting the misconceptions associated with this diagnosis. This process is definitely not for sissies or parents looking for that magic cure. If you would like more info on what we did medically, please email me privately. Hope this helps,Marcia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 Yes! I believe that was the story! Very, very sad. To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Tue, February 1, 2011 10:35:21 AMSubject: Re: Re: aba coverage : self funded : federally regulated ..NJ ..Help Yep, and if you have the money of Dennis Quaid, you can sue Big Pharma on such a claim. And win. I can't remember if it was the case Cheryl has been talking about or another similar story, but many months ago, I read a story about it and the article had pictures showing how closely the labels resemble one another. All tiny black and white print on small vial labels. Believe me, it's a very easy mistake to make. Especially if a nurse is being rushed or distracted or reaching quickly in a crisis situation. Color-coding bottles is a cheap, easy way to spare a person from dying. Then again, using colored ink might cut down on their profit margin. Just sayin'...... To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Tue, February 1, 2011 12:20:51 AM Subject: Re: aba coverage : self funded : federally regulated ..NJ ..Help And, that child actually died due to a look-alike/sound-alike medication error.My mother in law was given a drug that could have caused brain damage. The nurse thought that she dosed diabetes medicine while MIL was being treated for cancer. I would never advise anyone to not treat either of these conditions.>> there has been ONE child who died from chelation in decades of chelation and tens if not hundreds of thousands of cases of chelation. just to put that into perspective, and it was the nurse who grabbed the wrong vile of stuff to chelate with not the dr. and he has been cleared of all wrong doing. you have greater odds of being hit by a car crossing the road tonight then dieing from chelation....> > > > From: and Marcia Hinds > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:50 AM> To: lesliemom99@... ; mb12 valtrex > Subject: Re: aba coverage : self funded : federally regulated ..NJ ..Help> > > > > Please don't exhaust other options before chelating. I know I'm going to be blasted by others on this list for saying that, but I can't in good conscience watch a child possibly have negative consequences from not speaking up especially when there are so many other options to try first.. I was just told by another mom about a kid who was chelated and died as a result... -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 whats NIDS Always Call Christie Gravatt We are not human beings having a spiritual experience, we are spiritual beings having a human experience! I've seen that woman post on a few different sites blasting chelation. I'm pretty sure she's in cahoots w/ Dr. G. I think it's hogwash, my daughter is doing IV chelation and is doing great. It's a safe drug that has been become standard of care for heavy metal poisoning (even in kids). The government uses it in biohazard "accidents" for the people affected. The one child that died got disodium EDTA instead of calcium EDTA I believe. I almost didn't do chelation because of that ladies rants and I would have missed out. She would rather promote SSRI's...> >> > there has been ONE child who died from chelation in decades of chelation and tens if not hundreds of thousands of cases of chelation. just to put that into perspective, and it was the nurse who grabbed the wrong vile of stuff to chelate with not the dr. and he has been cleared of all wrong doing. you have greater odds of being hit by a car crossing the road tonight then dieing from chelation....> > > > > > > > From: and Marcia Hinds > > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:50 AM> > To: lesliemom99@ ; mb12 valtrex > > Subject: Re: aba coverage : self funded : federally regulated ..NJ ..Help> > > > > > > > > > Please don't exhaust other options before chelating. I know I'm going to be blasted by others on this list for saying that, but I can't in good conscience watch a child possibly have negative consequences from not speaking up especially when there are so many other options to try first.. I was just told by another mom about a kid who was chelated and died as a result...> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 nids.net whats NIDS Always Call Christie Gravatt We are not human beings having a spiritual experience, we are spiritual beings having a human experience! I've seen that woman post on a few different sites blasting chelation. I'm pretty sure she's in cahoots w/ Dr. G. I think it's hogwash, my daughter is doing IV chelation and is doing great. It's a safe drug that has been become standard of care for heavy metal poisoning (even in kids). The government uses it in biohazard " accidents " for the people affected. The one child that died got disodium EDTA instead of calcium EDTA I believe. I almost didn't do chelation because of that ladies rants and I would have missed out. She would rather promote SSRI's... > >> > there has been ONE child who died from chelation in decades of chelation and tens if not hundreds of thousands of cases of chelation. just to put that into perspective, and it was the nurse who grabbed the wrong vile of stuff to chelate with not the dr. and he has been cleared of all wrong doing. you have greater odds of being hit by a car crossing the road tonight then dieing from chelation.... > > > > > > > > From: and Marcia Hinds > > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:50 AM> > To: lesliemom99@ ; mb12 valtrex > > Subject: Re: aba coverage : self funded : federally regulated ..NJ ..Help> > > > > > > > > > Please don't exhaust other options before chelating. I know I'm going to be blasted by others on this list for saying that, but I can't in good conscience watch a child possibly have negative consequences from not speaking up especially when there are so many other options to try first.. I was just told by another mom about a kid who was chelated and died as a result... > -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 My son is 3 years old. Could you please forward me the files? It was my gut feeling when he was 2years old that he had some parasites/ worms. Couldn't confirm and find any support. Thanks3yrs old ASD ... will start cheltion soon Subject: Re: aba coverage : self funded : federally regulated ..NJ ..HelpTo: lesliemom99@..., mb12 valtrex Date: Monday, 31 January, 2011, 3:50 PM Please don’t exhaust other options before chelating. I know I’m going to be blasted by others on this list for saying that, but I can’t in good conscience watch a child possibly have negative consequences from not speaking up especially when there are so many other options to try first.. I was just told by another mom about a kid who was chelated and died as a result. This doctor’s credentials are being looked into and who knows if things were done right. But this can be dangerous. And our doctor says the damage from chelation can be seen on brain neurospects. My son is recovered and in college at 22 as a result of the NIDS protocol. Please know your son can get better with proper medical treatment and then rehabilitation. No parent should accept that their child cannot be helped. We treated with antivirals on the NIDS protocol. Maybe he has the XMRV retrovirus, and it was addressed by using the antivirals and other things we did to help his immune problem. I don’t know the answer to that question. However, is living proof that kids can get better. was diagnosed when he was four years old. A psychiatrist who was the leading authority on autism said my child would never be okay. According to this expert, was going to end up in an institution or group home. Now at 22, the only institution attends is a University where he studies mechanical engineering on a merit scholarship. excels academically and is in the Engineering Honor Society (top 10% GPA). He‘s a member of Sigma Chi Fraternity and was president of the Jewish Student Association. And he just received a NASA paid internship and scholarship. But more importantly, is a typical college student who drinks an occasional beer, goes on dates, stays out too late with friends and then sleeps through eight o’clock classes. I couldn’t be more proud! Unbelievable as it seems, this is the same child who wanted to spend all day, every day, plugging in a portable radio into each outlet in the house. Back then, I wasn’t sure if I had the strength to be more stubborn than my son. There were mornings I didn’t want to get out of bed to face another day filled with autism. The worst times were when I didn’t have a direction or a plan. I was hanging onto my sanity by my fingernails. But, at the end of the day, I was faced with a choice: let drift off forever into his own world, or drag him kicking and screaming into ours. Now it may look like we knew what we were doing back then. But we didn’t. It was trial and error to see what worked to help him. After we helped medically, it was possible for him to learn. Behavioral and educational interventions were used in conjunction with the medical treatment to catch up on everything he missed. Initially, we used Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA) for his rehabilitation and when he was ready we moved towards more natural ways of teaching. It took years to correct ’s deficits in speech and social skills. It was almost like taking a stroke victim and bringing them back. Our story is not about coping with autism, but rather fighting back and not accepting the misconceptions associated with this diagnosis. This process is definitely not for sissies or parents looking for that magic cure. If you would like more info on what we did medically, please email me privately. Hope this helps, Marcia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 Neuro Immune Dysfunction SyndromeVisit this site for more infohttp://nids.net/whats NIDS Always CallChristie GravattWe are not human beings having a spiritual experience, we are spiritual beings having a human experience! --- On Tue, 2/1/11, cheryl biomed.mom wrote:Subject: Re: Re: aba coverage : self funded : federally regulated ..NJ ..HelpTo: mb12 valtrex Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 11:23 AM Easy now. Let's not turn this into a NIDS vs. DAN battle. We have enough of those in the archives.Cheryl ~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com~~@Gryffins_Tail~On Feb 1, 2011, at 7:40 AM, wrote: I've seen that woman post on a few different sites blasting chelation. I'm pretty sure she's in cahoots w/ Dr. G. I think it's hogwash, my daughter is doing IV chelation and is doing great. It's a safe drug that has been become standard of care for heavy metal poisoning (even in kids). The government uses it in biohazard "accidents" for the people affected. The one child that died got disodium EDTA instead of calcium EDTA I believe. I almost didn't do chelation because of that ladies rants and I would have missed out. She would rather promote SSRI's...> >> > there has been ONE child who died from chelation in decades of chelation and tens if not hundreds of thousands of cases of chelation. just to put that into perspective, and it was the nurse who grabbed the wrong vile of stuff to chelate with not the dr. and he has been cleared of all wrong doing. you have greater odds of being hit by a car crossing the road tonight then dieing from chelation....> > > > > > > > From: and Marcia Hinds > > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:50 AM> > To: lesliemom99@ ; mb12 valtrex > > Subject: Re: aba coverage : self funded : federally regulated ..NJ ..Help> > > > > > > > > > Please don't exhaust other options before chelating. I know I'm going to be blasted by others on this list for saying that, but I can't in good conscience watch a child possibly have negative consequences from not speaking up especially when there are so many other options to try first.. I was just told by another mom about a kid who was chelated and died as a result...> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 not sure where you are finding that, both the links below point to a Roy Kerry, M.D, and the dr that was under investigation years back was Buttar who was just cleared a few years back From: cheryl biomed.mom Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:46 PM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Re: aba coverage : self funded : federally regulated ..NJ ..Help No, I just checked the legal dockett that I linked in the message and it was Usman and it's already all over the internet. The smear is already out there. The fact of the matter is, there shouldn't be a smear campaign against her over this at all. It was the wrong medication, plain and simple. She wasn't even the one administering it. Cheryl ~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com~ ~@Gryffins_Tail~ I believe it was buttar not Usman before her name has a smear campain on it--------------------------------------------------Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:09 PMTo: <mb12 valtrex >Subject: Re: Re: aba coverage : self funded : federally regulated ..NJ ..Help Please don’t exhaust other options before chelating. I know I’m going to be blasted by others on this list for saying that, No, you're not. Caution is, in my opinion, always warranted in everything you do. That doesn't mean that everyone is going to have your opinion on chelation, though. but I can’t in good conscience watch a child possibly have negative consequences from not speaking up especially when there are so many other options to try first.. I was just told by another mom about a kid who was chelated and died as a result. This doctor’s credentials are being looked into and who knows if things were done right. But this can be dangerous. I have no intention of arguing with you about the merits of chelation. I really just want to address the very tragic death. This is an old story. He is not currently being investigated for anything related to this because it's over and done. Here is what happened to the doctor. http://www.casewatch.org/board/med/kerry/complaint.shtml (this of course, was posted by someone who is very much anti-biomed since he left out some very important information - meaning what he says is very true, but certain things left out to give a certain impression). You'll notice he says what medication the boy was given, that he has autism and then goes into the theory of metals/autism. But he leaves out one very crucial piece of information. The fact of the matter is, he was given the wrong medication and did die as a result. The boy's name was Abubakar Tariq Nadama and it was tragic. There are lots of stories online that make a lot of claims and assumptions but it wasn't chelation that killed him, it was the wrong drug. This was in 2005, I believe. To my knowledge, he's the only child that has died from chelation with a DAN (I believe Usman was his actual Dr. - he went to Kerry for the IV). There are two types of EDTA and he was given Disodium EDTA instead of Calcium Disodium EDTA. Here is the autopsy report, interpreted by the CDC, from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06018/639721.stm I specifically chose not to send a link from a pro-biomed source so you can see that it's not something just made up by the autism community. You can google his name and you will find a slew of negative things being said. I'm telling you this because the information is readily available and much of it is completely unreliable - but out there. It's easy for people that don't actually know anything about it to sling the mud. It's easy for those that only hear the horror of Tariq's death to sit in judgment. There's more than one way to chelate. And there are alternatives to IV and high dose chelation. But the baby gets thrown out with the bath water because people that don't actually know anything about chelation think it's okay to sit in judgment and yack loudly and proudly about something they don't even understand and leave out certain details in order to make themselves sound more compelling. The story is used to somehow "prove" that chelation is dangerous and terrible and unfounded when the sad fact is the boy died. And died because he was given the wrong medication. It's tragic and the whole ordeal has been used as some kind of pawn in the autism vs. the rest of medicine game. Clearly something went wrong and I would have sued that a$$hole doctor that did something so careless and permanent myself. And I don't doubt he tried to do whatever he could to try to worm his way out of it - it's human nature to want to save yourself. Mistakes happen - unfortunately this one took a life. My husbands former boss's wife also had the wrong lung removed in a transplant surgery. It happens in mainstream medicine, too. t happened 6 years ago and is no less tragic now than it was then. His story keeps getting passed around and somehow, it keeps sounding like this is something that just happened recently and then there's confusion that this is a *new* boy. It's one boy's story being told over and over trying to make people believe it happened yesterday and trying to make people believe that chelation is unwarranted - something that today is still unproven *either way*. Safety and efficacy of the choices anyone makes should always be researched. There's plenty of debate *within* biomed about the different types of chelation therapies and there safety. Personally, I would never IV chelate. Nor would I consider high dose chelation. But that's because I researched and made a choice that was right for us. A family was crushed and will never fully recover. I don't blame the parents for any reaction they have, even if it's to rain down hellfire on any kind of alternative treatments. They have that right, they lost a child in their quest for help. I don't know how I would react in their shoes. He needs to be remembered for being a boy that needed help. A boy that could have had a future and parents that could have had their son for so much longer than they got. A boy that died because of a mistake. Not some poster-child to support an agenda he doesn't even fit. Cheryl ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 yes if you read this, this isn't about it even harming the child this is a custody battle that biomed got dragged into the mess for a parent to fight for their child. it has nothing to do with harming anyone, infact it notes the child was doing well from their treatment From: Tammy Farmer Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:06 PM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Re: aba coverage : self funded : federally regulated ..NJ ..Help http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2010/03/suing_dan_practitioners_for_malpractice.php I'm not sure what this is? I believe it was buttar not Usman before her name has a smear campain on it -------------------------------------------------- Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:09 PM To: <mb12 valtrex > Subject: Re: Re: aba coverage : self funded : federally regulated ..NJ ..Help Please don’t exhaust other options before chelating. I know I’m going to be blasted by others on this list for saying that, No, you're not. Caution is, in my opinion, always warranted in everything you do. That doesn't mean that everyone is going to have your opinion on chelation, though. but I can’t in good conscience watch a child possibly have negative consequences from not speaking up especially when there are so many other options to try first.. I was just told by another mom about a kid who was chelated and died as a result. This doctor’s credentials are being looked into and who knows if things were done right. But this can be dangerous. I have no intention of arguing with you about the merits of chelation. I really just want to address the very tragic death. This is an old story. He is not currently being investigated for anything related to this because it's over and done. Here is what happened to the doctor. http://www.casewatch.org/board/med/kerry/complaint.shtml (this of course, was posted by someone who is very much anti-biomed since he left out some very important information - meaning what he says is very true, but certain things left out to give a certain impression). You'll notice he says what medication the boy was given, that he has autism and then goes into the theory of metals/autism. But he leaves out one very crucial piece of information. The fact of the matter is, he was given the wrong medication and did die as a result. The boy's name was Abubakar Tariq Nadama and it was tragic. There are lots of stories online that make a lot of claims and assumptions but it wasn't chelation that killed him, it was the wrong drug. This was in 2005, I believe. To my knowledge, he's the only child that has died from chelation with a DAN (I believe Usman was his actual Dr. - he went to Kerry for the IV). There are two types of EDTA and he was given Disodium EDTA instead of Calcium Disodium EDTA. Here is the autopsy report, interpreted by the CDC, from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06018/639721.stm I specifically chose not to send a link from a pro-biomed source so you can see that it's not something just made up by the autism community. You can google his name and you will find a slew of negative things being said. I'm telling you this because the information is readily available and much of it is completely unreliable - but out there. It's easy for people that don't actually know anything about it to sling the mud. It's easy for those that only hear the horror of Tariq's death to sit in judgment. There's more than one way to chelate. And there are alternatives to IV and high dose chelation. But the baby gets thrown out with the bath water because people that don't actually know anything about chelation think it's okay to sit in judgment and yack loudly and proudly about something they don't even understand and leave out certain details in order to make themselves sound more compelling. The story is used to somehow "prove" that chelation is dangerous and terrible and unfounded when the sad fact is the boy died. And died because he was given the wrong medication. It's tragic and the whole ordeal has been used as some kind of pawn in the autism vs. the rest of medicine game. Clearly something went wrong and I would have sued that a$$hole doctor that did something so careless and permanent myself. And I don't doubt he tried to do whatever he could to try to worm his way out of it - it's human nature to want to save yourself. Mistakes happen - unfortunately this one took a life. My husbands former boss's wife also had the wrong lung removed in a transplant surgery. It happens in mainstream medicine, too. t happened 6 years ago and is no less tragic now than it was then. His story keeps getting passed around and somehow, it keeps sounding like this is something that just happened recently and then there's confusion that this is a *new* boy. It's one boy's story being told over and over trying to make people believe it happened yesterday and trying to make people believe that chelation is unwarranted - something that today is still unproven *either way*. Safety and efficacy of the choices anyone makes should always be researched. There's plenty of debate *within* biomed about the different types of chelation therapies and there safety. Personally, I would never IV chelate. Nor would I consider high dose chelation. But that's because I researched and made a choice that was right for us. A family was crushed and will never fully recover. I don't blame the parents for any reaction they have, even if it's to rain down hellfire on any kind of alternative treatments. They have that right, they lost a child in their quest for help. I don't know how I would react in their shoes. He needs to be remembered for being a boy that needed help. A boy that could have had a future and parents that could have had their son for so much longer than they got. A boy that died because of a mistake. Not some poster-child to support an agenda he doesn't even fit. Cheryl ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 Yes, Dr. Kerry was the administering doctor, Usman was the DAN. Christel, I think you are misunderstanding what I've said. I only said she was the DAN that ordered the chelation because she was. Kerry was the doctor that was performing the chelation IVs. Kerry is the one that was sued. Her name is in the links if you read the whole thing. But she was not even a part of the suit. Cheryl ~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com~~@Gryffins_Tail~ not sure where you are finding that, both the links below point to a Roy Kerry, M.D, and the dr that was under investigation years back was Buttar who was just cleared a few years back From: cheryl biomed.mom Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:46 PM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Re: aba coverage : self funded : federally regulated ..NJ ..Help No, I just checked the legal dockett that I linked in the message and it was Usman and it's already all over the internet. The smear is already out there. The fact of the matter is, there shouldn't be a smear campaign against her over this at all. It was the wrong medication, plain and simple. She wasn't even the one administering it. Cheryl ~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com~ ~@Gryffins_Tail~ I believe it was buttar not Usman before her name has a smear campain on it--------------------------------------------------Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:09 PMTo: <mb12 valtrex >Subject: Re: Re: aba coverage : self funded : federally regulated ..NJ ..Help Please don’t exhaust other options before chelating. I know I’m going to be blasted by others on this list for saying that, No, you're not. Caution is, in my opinion, always warranted in everything you do. That doesn't mean that everyone is going to have your opinion on chelation, though. but I can’t in good conscience watch a child possibly have negative consequences from not speaking up especially when there are so many other options to try first.. I was just told by another mom about a kid who was chelated and died as a result. This doctor’s credentials are being looked into and who knows if things were done right. But this can be dangerous. I have no intention of arguing with you about the merits of chelation. I really just want to address the very tragic death. This is an old story. He is not currently being investigated for anything related to this because it's over and done. Here is what happened to the doctor. http://www.casewatch.org/board/med/kerry/complaint.shtml (this of course, was posted by someone who is very much anti-biomed since he left out some very important information - meaning what he says is very true, but certain things left out to give a certain impression). You'll notice he says what medication the boy was given, that he has autism and then goes into the theory of metals/autism. But he leaves out one very crucial piece of information. The fact of the matter is, he was given the wrong medication and did die as a result. The boy's name was Abubakar Tariq Nadama and it was tragic. There are lots of stories online that make a lot of claims and assumptions but it wasn't chelation that killed him, it was the wrong drug. This was in 2005, I believe. To my knowledge, he's the only child that has died from chelation with a DAN (I believe Usman was his actual Dr. - he went to Kerry for the IV). There are two types of EDTA and he was given Disodium EDTA instead of Calcium Disodium EDTA. Here is the autopsy report, interpreted by the CDC, from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06018/639721.stm I specifically chose not to send a link from a pro-biomed source so you can see that it's not something just made up by the autism community. You can google his name and you will find a slew of negative things being said. I'm telling you this because the information is readily available and much of it is completely unreliable - but out there. It's easy for people that don't actually know anything about it to sling the mud. It's easy for those that only hear the horror of Tariq's death to sit in judgment. There's more than one way to chelate. And there are alternatives to IV and high dose chelation. But the baby gets thrown out with the bath water because people that don't actually know anything about chelation think it's okay to sit in judgment and yack loudly and proudly about something they don't even understand and leave out certain details in order to make themselves sound more compelling. The story is used to somehow "prove" that chelation is dangerous and terrible and unfounded when the sad fact is the boy died. And died because he was given the wrong medication. It's tragic and the whole ordeal has been used as some kind of pawn in the autism vs. the rest of medicine game. Clearly something went wrong and I would have sued that a$$hole doctor that did something so careless and permanent myself. And I don't doubt he tried to do whatever he could to try to worm his way out of it - it's human nature to want to save yourself. Mistakes happen - unfortunately this one took a life. My husbands former boss's wife also had the wrong lung removed in a transplant surgery. It happens in mainstream medicine, too. t happened 6 years ago and is no less tragic now than it was then. His story keeps getting passed around and somehow, it keeps sounding like this is something that just happened recently and then there's confusion that this is a *new* boy. It's one boy's story being told over and over trying to make people believe it happened yesterday and trying to make people believe that chelation is unwarranted - something that today is still unproven *either way*. Safety and efficacy of the choices anyone makes should always be researched. There's plenty of debate *within* biomed about the different types of chelation therapies and there safety. Personally, I would never IV chelate. Nor would I consider high dose chelation. But that's because I researched and made a choice that was right for us. A family was crushed and will never fully recover. I don't blame the parents for any reaction they have, even if it's to rain down hellfire on any kind of alternative treatments. They have that right, they lost a child in their quest for help. I don't know how I would react in their shoes. He needs to be remembered for being a boy that needed help. A boy that could have had a future and parents that could have had their son for so much longer than they got. A boy that died because of a mistake. Not some poster-child to support an agenda he doesn't even fit. Cheryl ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 My daughter is a patient of Dr Usman's we went to see her on Thursday. I asked her about this child and she told me that she didn't even know that this child was being seen by another doctor.She said that the mother was using several dans.She said that the mother called her on the phone on the way to the hospital and that's how she found out.She said that after loseing her own daughter this was very hard on her as well.It's really a sad story but not a reason for any parent to feel that helping their child in anyway that they can should be scary and shame on the people who are scary the HELL on parents like myself From: cheryl biomed.mom ; To: <mb12 valtrex >; Subject: Re: Re: aba coverage : self funded : federally regulated ..NJ ..Help Sent: Sat, Feb 5, 2011 7:02:59 AM Yes, Dr. Kerry was the administering doctor, Usman was the DAN. Christel, I think you are misunderstanding what I've said. I only said she was the DAN that ordered the chelation because she was. Kerry was the doctor that was performing the chelation IVs. Kerry is the one that was sued. Her name is in the links if you read the whole thing. But she was not even a part of the suit. Cheryl ~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com~~@Gryffins_Tail~ not sure where you are finding that, both the links below point to a Roy Kerry, M.D, and the dr that was under investigation years back was Buttar who was just cleared a few years back From: cheryl biomed.mom Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:46 PM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Re: aba coverage : self funded : federally regulated ..NJ ..Help No, I just checked the legal dockett that I linked in the message and it was Usman and it's already all over the internet. The smear is already out there. The fact of the matter is, there shouldn't be a smear campaign against her over this at all. It was the wrong medication, plain and simple. She wasn't even the one administering it. Cheryl ~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com~ ~@Gryffins_Tail~ I believe it was buttar not Usman before her name has a smear campain on it--------------------------------------------------Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:09 PMTo: <mb12 valtrex >Subject: Re: Re: aba coverage : self funded : federally regulated ..NJ ..Help Please don’t exhaust other options before chelating. I know I’m going to be blasted by others on this list for saying that, No, you're not. Caution is, in my opinion, always warranted in everything you do. That doesn't mean that everyone is going to have your opinion on chelation, though. but I can’t in good conscience watch a child possibly have negative consequences from not speaking up especially when there are so many other options to try first.. I was just told by another mom about a kid who was chelated and died as a result. This doctor’s credentials are being looked into and who knows if things were done right. But this can be dangerous. I have no intention of arguing with you about the merits of chelation. I really just want to address the very tragic death. This is an old story. He is not currently being investigated for anything related to this because it's over and done. Here is what happened to the doctor. http://www.casewatch.org/board/med/kerry/complaint.shtml (this of course, was posted by someone who is very much anti-biomed since he left out some very important information - meaning what he says is very true, but certain things left out to give a certain impression). You'll notice he says what medication the boy was given, that he has autism and then goes into the theory of metals/autism. But he leaves out one very crucial piece of information. The fact of the matter is, he was given the wrong medication and did die as a result. The boy's name was Abubakar Tariq Nadama and it was tragic. There are lots of stories online that make a lot of claims and assumptions but it wasn't chelation that killed him, it was the wrong drug. This was in 2005, I believe. To my knowledge, he's the only child that has died from chelation with a DAN (I believe Usman was his actual Dr. - he went to Kerry for the IV). There are two types of EDTA and he was given Disodium EDTA instead of Calcium Disodium EDTA. Here is the autopsy report, interpreted by the CDC, from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06018/639721.stm I specifically chose not to send a link from a pro-biomed source so you can see that it's not something just made up by the autism community. You can google his name and you will find a slew of negative things being said. I'm telling you this because the information is readily available and much of it is completely unreliable - but out there. It's easy for people that don't actually know anything about it to sling the mud. It's easy for those that only hear the horror of Tariq's death to sit in judgment. There's more than one way to chelate. And there are alternatives to IV and high dose chelation. But the baby gets thrown out with the bath water because people that don't actually know anything about chelation think it's okay to sit in judgment and yack loudly and proudly about something they don't even understand and leave out certain details in order to make themselves sound more compelling. The story is used to somehow " prove " that chelation is dangerous and terrible and unfounded when the sad fact is the boy died. And died because he was given the wrong medication. It's tragic and the whole ordeal has been used as some kind of pawn in the autism vs. the rest of medicine game. Clearly something went wrong and I would have sued that a$$hole doctor that did something so careless and permanent myself. And I don't doubt he tried to do whatever he could to try to worm his way out of it - it's human nature to want to save yourself. Mistakes happen - unfortunately this one took a life. My husbands former boss's wife also had the wrong lung removed in a transplant surgery. It happens in mainstream medicine, too. t happened 6 years ago and is no less tragic now than it was then. His story keeps getting passed around and somehow, it keeps sounding like this is something that just happened recently and then there's confusion that this is a *new* boy. It's one boy's story being told over and over trying to make people believe it happened yesterday and trying to make people believe that chelation is unwarranted - something that today is still unproven *either way*. Safety and efficacy of the choices anyone makes should always be researched. There's plenty of debate *within* biomed about the different types of chelation therapies and there safety. Personally, I would never IV chelate. Nor would I consider high dose chelation. But that's because I researched and made a choice that was right for us. A family was crushed and will never fully recover. I don't blame the parents for any reaction they have, even if it's to rain down hellfire on any kind of alternative treatments. They have that right, they lost a child in their quest for help. I don't know how I would react in their shoes. He needs to be remembered for being a boy that needed help. A boy that could have had a future and parents that could have had their son for so much longer than they got. A boy that died because of a mistake. Not some poster-child to support an agenda he doesn't even fit. Cheryl ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 No. It really isn't a reason to scare anyone. Tariq is *not* a case for "evidence" that chelation is dangerous - it's just evidence that mistakes happen no matter where you go. Usman was not the doctor that caused his death. My saying she was the DAN was not to implicate her in any way and I think that's where the confusion came in. Cheryl ~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com~~@Gryffins_Tail~ My daughter is a patient of Dr Usman's we went to see her on Thursday. I asked her about this child and she told me that she didn't even know that this child was being seen by another doctor.She said that the mother was using several dans.She said that the mother called her on the phone on the way to the hospital and that's how she found out.She said that after loseing her own daughter this was very hard on her as well.It's really a sad story but not a reason for any parent to feel that helping their child in anyway that they can should be scary and shame on the people who are scary the HELL on parents like myself From: cheryl biomed.mom ; To: <mb12 valtrex >; Subject: Re: Re: aba coverage : self funded : federally regulated ..NJ ..Help Sent: Sat, Feb 5, 2011 7:02:59 AM Yes, Dr. Kerry was the administering doctor, Usman was the DAN. Christel, I think you are misunderstanding what I've said. I only said she was the DAN that ordered the chelation because she was. Kerry was the doctor that was performing the chelation IVs. Kerry is the one that was sued. Her name is in the links if you read the whole thing. But she was not even a part of the suit. Cheryl ~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com~~@Gryffins_Tail~ not sure where you are finding that, both the links below point to a Roy Kerry, M.D, and the dr that was under investigation years back was Buttar who was just cleared a few years back From: cheryl biomed.mom Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:46 PM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Re: aba coverage : self funded : federally regulated ..NJ ..Help No, I just checked the legal dockett that I linked in the message and it was Usman and it's already all over the internet. The smear is already out there. The fact of the matter is, there shouldn't be a smear campaign against her over this at all. It was the wrong medication, plain and simple. She wasn't even the one administering it. Cheryl ~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com~ ~@Gryffins_Tail~ I believe it was buttar not Usman before her name has a smear campain on it--------------------------------------------------Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:09 PMTo: <mb12 valtrex >Subject: Re: Re: aba coverage : self funded : federally regulated ..NJ ..Help Please don’t exhaust other options before chelating. I know I’m going to be blasted by others on this list for saying that, No, you're not. Caution is, in my opinion, always warranted in everything you do. That doesn't mean that everyone is going to have your opinion on chelation, though. but I can’t in good conscience watch a child possibly have negative consequences from not speaking up especially when there are so many other options to try first.. I was just told by another mom about a kid who was chelated and died as a result. This doctor’s credentials are being looked into and who knows if things were done right. But this can be dangerous. I have no intention of arguing with you about the merits of chelation. I really just want to address the very tragic death. This is an old story. He is not currently being investigated for anything related to this because it's over and done. Here is what happened to the doctor. http://www.casewatch.org/board/med/kerry/complaint.shtml (this of course, was posted by someone who is very much anti-biomed since he left out some very important information - meaning what he says is very true, but certain things left out to give a certain impression). You'll notice he says what medication the boy was given, that he has autism and then goes into the theory of metals/autism. But he leaves out one very crucial piece of information. The fact of the matter is, he was given the wrong medication and did die as a result. The boy's name was Abubakar Tariq Nadama and it was tragic. There are lots of stories online that make a lot of claims and assumptions but it wasn't chelation that killed him, it was the wrong drug. This was in 2005, I believe. To my knowledge, he's the only child that has died from chelation with a DAN (I believe Usman was his actual Dr. - he went to Kerry for the IV). There are two types of EDTA and he was given Disodium EDTA instead of Calcium Disodium EDTA. Here is the autopsy report, interpreted by the CDC, from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06018/639721.stm I specifically chose not to send a link from a pro-biomed source so you can see that it's not something just made up by the autism community. You can google his name and you will find a slew of negative things being said. I'm telling you this because the information is readily available and much of it is completely unreliable - but out there. It's easy for people that don't actually know anything about it to sling the mud. It's easy for those that only hear the horror of Tariq's death to sit in judgment. There's more than one way to chelate. And there are alternatives to IV and high dose chelation. But the baby gets thrown out with the bath water because people that don't actually know anything about chelation think it's okay to sit in judgment and yack loudly and proudly about something they don't even understand and leave out certain details in order to make themselves sound more compelling. The story is used to somehow "prove" that chelation is dangerous and terrible and unfounded when the sad fact is the boy died. And died because he was given the wrong medication. It's tragic and the whole ordeal has been used as some kind of pawn in the autism vs. the rest of medicine game. Clearly something went wrong and I would have sued that a$$hole doctor that did something so careless and permanent myself. And I don't doubt he tried to do whatever he could to try to worm his way out of it - it's human nature to want to save yourself. Mistakes happen - unfortunately this one took a life. My husbands former boss's wife also had the wrong lung removed in a transplant surgery. It happens in mainstream medicine, too. t happened 6 years ago and is no less tragic now than it was then. His story keeps getting passed around and somehow, it keeps sounding like this is something that just happened recently and then there's confusion that this is a *new* boy. It's one boy's story being told over and over trying to make people believe it happened yesterday and trying to make people believe that chelation is unwarranted - something that today is still unproven *either way*. Safety and efficacy of the choices anyone makes should always be researched. There's plenty of debate *within* biomed about the different types of chelation therapies and there safety. Personally, I would never IV chelate. Nor would I consider high dose chelation. But that's because I researched and made a choice that was right for us. A family was crushed and will never fully recover. I don't blame the parents for any reaction they have, even if it's to rain down hellfire on any kind of alternative treatments. They have that right, they lost a child in their quest for help. I don't know how I would react in their shoes. He needs to be remembered for being a boy that needed help. A boy that could have had a future and parents that could have had their son for so much longer than they got. A boy that died because of a mistake. Not some poster-child to support an agenda he doesn't even fit. Cheryl ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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