Re: Valtex or Chelation..what would you do first?

February 12, 2011

Welll, you'll find alot of people on both sides of the fence. Some take the approach "Don't wait. Chelate."

Others go straight ahead go for the Valtrex. It's my personal belief that metals do cause viruses to linger. As does a weakened immune system : ) If a person's immune system was not compromised, they would not require Valtrex. Metals testing is not 100% and testing procedures have been well debated. So most people find themselves treating their children by signs and symptoms as opposed to test results. (We've heard some awesome stories here lately about that very thing)

Do you have easy access to your dan? Perhaps you can email her and ask why and share your concerns with her. She might have a good explanation. I've emailed my dan when in doubt and his explainations have made good sense. It's always good to ask - Both here and with the doc. The best thing we can do is look at a situation with many different eyes. She might be seeing good results with the approach she suggested. Don't be afraid to ask. That's why she's there.

Most importantly, if you get a nagging feeling in your heart, don't ignore it. Both are long-term committments so you want to feel good about your decision. In the mean time, nutrition! nutrition! nutrition! man oh man, am I learning that more and more everyday!

-Tammy

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 5:18:39 AMSubject: Valtex or Chelation..what would you do first?

Our Dan gave us a three month supply of Valtrex/Difulcan to start for our daughter who is 2.5 while we test for metals(Porphyrins,urine test) but I am hearing that it's better to do some chelation first and that I should wait to start the Valtrex until after I know if heavy metals is a problem.Now I don't know what to think if that's the case and it's better to wait why wouldn't my dan say so she is a good dan... Dr Usman.I was told that the metals "house" the virus's so that as long as the metal are in her body they are supressing her immune system and using valtrex on a week immune system is a bad idea.So I am confused..I think it may be just a difference in option but my question is who to trust? I don't want to sit on starting Valtrex if it's going to help my daughter but also I don't want to cause her body any harm.any advise?Thanks,mom toArianna 11 NTSavanna 3 NTSieanna 2.5-dx

global developmental delays-my feeling is PDD-NOS Jr-14 months-so far so good

February 12, 2011

Dr USman is an excellent DAN and you can trust her. It is fine to start w/ valtrex.....the metals, viruses, bacteria and yeast are all bound together. You can add in chelation when she gets settled on the valtrex. Since the valtrex may loosen some metals consider adding citrus pectin and/or EDTA to mop up ad get the loosened metals out of her body.

Subject: Valtex or Chelation..what would you do first?To: mb12 valtrex Date: Saturday, February 12, 2011, 5:18 AM

Our Dan gave us a three month supply of Valtrex/Difulcan to start for our daughter who is 2.5 while we test for metals(Porphyrins,urine test) but I am hearing that it's better to do some chelation first and that I should wait to start the Valtrex until after I know if heavy metals is a problem.Now I don't know what to think if that's the case and it's better to wait why wouldn't my dan say so she is a good dan... Dr Usman.I was told that the metals "house" the virus's so that as long as the metal are in her body they are supressing her immune system and using valtrex on a week immune system is a bad idea.So I am confused..I think it may be just a difference in option but my question is who to trust? I don't want to sit on starting Valtrex if it's going to help my daughter but also I don't want to cause her body any harm.any advise?Thanks,mom toArianna 11 NTSavanna 3 NTSieanna 2.5-dx

global developmental delays-my feeling is PDD-NOS Jr-14 months-so far so good

February 12, 2011

Hi there,

We did valtrex then after a few months started chelation. We were with Dr. Bock. For us I think it was the right thing to do. I believe the decision was based on our titers. We contiued on with valtrex while chelating. Removing the metals and cleaning up the viruses at the same time.

Casandra

> To: mb12 valtrex > Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 10:18:39 +0000> Subject: Valtex or Chelation..what would you do first?> > Our Dan gave us a three month supply of Valtrex/Difulcan to start for our daughter who is 2.5 while we test for metals(Porphyrins,urine test) but I am hearing that it's better to do some chelation first and that I should wait to start the Valtrex until after I know if heavy metals is a problem.> > > > Now I don't know what to think if that's the case and it's better to wait why wouldn't my dan say so she is a good dan... Dr Usman.> > > I was told that the metals "house" the virus's so that as long as the metal are in her body they are supressing her immune system and using valtrex on a week immune system is a bad idea.> > > So I am confused..I think it may be just a difference in option but my question is who to trust? I don't want to sit on starting Valtrex if it's going to help my daughter but also I don't want to cause her body any harm.> > > any advise?> > Thanks,> > mom to> Arianna 11 NT> Savanna 3 NT> Sieanna 2.5-dx global developmental delays-my feeling is PDD-NOS> Jr-14 months-so far so good> > > > > > ------------------------------------> >

February 12, 2011

I would do neither first. First I would start iodine. Iodine deficiency creates

a body unable to kill virus or excrete metals. A body unable to process the

nutrients it's given. Weakens the immune system. Clogs the liver.

Fix that and the body gets healthy. A healthy body can eliminate the virus,

eliminate the metals.

I agree with the signs and symptoms approach. And the do everything possible to

heal the body so it works properly approach. Some of the things recommended by

docs and others do not go that route.

The goal is iodine sufficiency which will let the immune system (and all the

other systems) work how it's suppose to. It wont happen overnight. The body

takes several months at a fairly high dosage to become iodine sufficient. Longer

at a lower dosage. Then still has to repair the damage from lifelong deficiency

(be it 3 or 80 years old). The extent of that damage will determine what

additional supplements are needed.

Things that support the immune system, iodine and other nutritional supplements,

work to provide the immune system with what it needs. Thats first. When that is

accomplished there is no yeast or bugs or fungus. There still is the damage from

the deficiency. So things that correct that damage are good.

If a person is MB12 deficient when iodine is began they will still need the MB12

until healed. They will probably need gradualy less in time but it could take

alot of time. No one knows yet, or at least i havent read they did.

If a person has been unable to eliminate virus their entire lives, they will be

harboring lots of virus.With iodine supplementation some are eliminated quickly,

some require months and months of adequate nutrition and supplements to remove.

If a person is doing well with Valtrex (or titers indicate a need or about to

try) adding iodine doesnt mean stopping the Valtrex. Getting the virus and

antibodies gone takes time, anything that helps accomplish this without

destroying the bodys balance, as Valtrex does, means a faster recovery. With or

without will accomplish the same thing, it's a matter of time. Can be very

important in a child, not as detrimental in an adult (imo). Many adults see

titers go down once on iodine for a few months, some have seen antibodies gone

in a year or so. Thyroid and virus antibodies.

The above 2 examples can be said for most anything for what you are using now

that is working. Except antibiotics. Most Rx for that matter(my bias is showing

again).

Antibiotics abuse the immune system, actually several systems. You will never

need another antibiotic if you have iodine. And you wont wipe out your entire

body ecosystem taking it. Some of the things I see people giving others, even

given myself in the past, makes me cringe. I do get the desperation to try

anything. Everything. Been there done that more than once.

If it builds and supports the immune system, the digestive system, the endocrine

system, it's probably good. If it's giving the body what it naturally requires,

it's probably good. If it wipes out the immune system, it's bad. If it strains

an already overworked liver, it's bad.

The supplements like Iodine, Mag, Vit C and Se , the B's, D3 and Natural Salt

will most likely be needed for a lifetime. (We just dont have the food supply to

sustain even a healthy human) Some may need Tyrosine, Thyroid hormone,

Biodentical Hormones, Enzymes or Probiotics, to help fix the damage caused by

the deficiency. We all need a healthy balanced diet. We all need exercise.

Give the body its most basic needs, nutrients, Iodine being the most neglected

and you will see the elimination of bugs and metals. You will see healthy begin

to emerge.

Cheryl

>

> Our Dan gave us a three month supply of Valtrex/Difulcan to start for our

daughter who is 2.5 while we test for metals(Porphyrins,urine test) but I am

hearing that it's better to do some chelation first and that I should wait to

start the Valtrex until after I know if heavy metals is a problem.

>

> Now I don't know what to think if that's the case and it's better to wait why

wouldn't my dan say so she is a good dan... Dr Usman.

>

> I was told that the metals " house " the virus's so that as long as the metal

are in her body they are supressing her immune system and using valtrex on a

week immune system is a bad idea.

>

> So I am confused..I think it may be just a difference in option but my

question is who to trust? I don't want to sit on starting Valtrex if it's going

to help my daughter but also I don't want to cause her body any harm.

>

> any advise?

>

> Thanks,

>

> mom to

> Arianna 11 NT

> Savanna 3 NT

> Sieanna 2.5-dx global developmental delays-my feeling is PDD-NOS

> Jr-14 months-so far so good

>

February 12, 2011

About chelation. I did digress from just valtrex or chelation in my first post.

I think, like with the Valtrex and virus levels the same goes for chelation and

metal levels. If the metals are really high then chelation might be necessary to

effect quicker recovery. had previously gone thru AC Cutler chelation

with some progress. Not alot of progress. And it was ruff on him. (And me) Would

i do it again if i knew or felt his metals were high. Absolutely. I could smell

the metal come out of him each cycle. In him, not good. I think i would want to

do mineral testing too while chelating (if money were no object) cause its hard

getting the right balance.

After being on Iodine for 3 to 4 months had several days of metal

dumping. I could smell it. It was weird. Only occasionaly is there enough now to

smell it. I think the metal comes out like most people now, all the time,

rather than in one big dump. I dont really know for sure, he hasnt been tested.

Just my guess.

I think the ALA used in Cutlers method helps the liver decongest, besides being

a slow chelator and why it seems to be a good way to chelate. Other methods I

might have tried if money were not an issue and some i wouldnt have ever tried.

Depends on the metal levels, resources, age and how fast recovery is needed.

Think of iodine as the natural way to make metal leave the body (deficiency

causing the inablity to excrete) and chelation when you need it out fast.

Cheryl

February 12, 2011

You rock, Cheryl!

About chelation. I did digress from just valtrex or chelation in my first post. I think, like with the Valtrex and virus levels the same goes for chelation and metal levels. If the metals are really high then chelation might be necessary to effect quicker recovery. had previously gone thru AC Cutler chelation with some progress. Not alot of progress. And it was ruff on him. (And me) Would i do it again if i knew or felt his metals were high. Absolutely. I could smell the metal come out of him each cycle. In him, not good. I think i would want to do mineral testing too while chelating (if money were no object) cause its hard getting the right balance.

After being on Iodine for 3 to 4 months had several days of metal dumping. I could smell it. It was weird. Only occasionaly is there enough now to smell it. I think the metal comes out like most people now, all the time, rather than in one big dump. I dont really know for sure, he hasnt been tested. Just my guess.

I think the ALA used in Cutlers method helps the liver decongest, besides being a slow chelator and why it seems to be a good way to chelate. Other methods I might have tried if money were not an issue and some i wouldnt have ever tried.

Depends on the metal levels, resources, age and how fast recovery is needed. Think of iodine as the natural way to make metal leave the body (deficiency causing the inablity to excrete) and chelation when you need it out fast.

Cheryl

February 12, 2011

I would chelate first using the andy cutler (AC) protocol. Maggied.

>

> Our Dan gave us a three month supply of Valtrex/Difulcan to start for our

daughter who is 2.5 while we test for metals(Porphyrins,urine test) but I am

hearing that it's better to do some chelation first and that I should wait to

start the Valtrex until after I know if heavy metals is a problem.

>

> Now I don't know what to think if that's the case and it's better to wait why

wouldn't my dan say so she is a good dan... Dr Usman.

>

> I was told that the metals " house " the virus's so that as long as the metal

are in her body they are supressing her immune system and using valtrex on a

week immune system is a bad idea.

>

> So I am confused..I think it may be just a difference in option but my

question is who to trust? I don't want to sit on starting Valtrex if it's going

to help my daughter but also I don't want to cause her body any harm.

>

> any advise?

>

> Thanks,

>

> mom to

> Arianna 11 NT

> Savanna 3 NT

> Sieanna 2.5-dx global developmental delays-my feeling is PDD-NOS

> Jr-14 months-so far so good

>

February 12, 2011

Thanks everyone for your throughts. Still not sure what route I am going to take

but hearing everyone's point of view is always helpful to me.

Thank you so much,

> >

> > Our Dan gave us a three month supply of Valtrex/Difulcan to start for our

daughter who is 2.5 while we test for metals(Porphyrins,urine test) but I am

hearing that it's better to do some chelation first and that I should wait to

start the Valtrex until after I know if heavy metals is a problem.

> >

> > Now I don't know what to think if that's the case and it's better to wait

why wouldn't my dan say so she is a good dan... Dr Usman.

> >

> > I was told that the metals " house " the virus's so that as long as the metal

are in her body they are supressing her immune system and using valtrex on a

week immune system is a bad idea.

> >

> > So I am confused..I think it may be just a difference in option but my

question is who to trust? I don't want to sit on starting Valtrex if it's going

to help my daughter but also I don't want to cause her body any harm.

> >

> > any advise?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > mom to

> > Arianna 11 NT

> > Savanna 3 NT

> > Sieanna 2.5-dx global developmental delays-my feeling is PDD-NOS

> > Jr-14 months-so far so good

> >

>

February 12, 2011

If you reduce the metals, let's say some oral EDTA then yeast won't grow back if you stop the Dyflucan. That's what my DAN doc says, basically support the methylation cycle with suppliments and then get rid of yeast and metals, then see if you even need the anti virals.

Subject: Re: Valtex or Chelation..what would you do first?To: mb12 valtrex Date: Saturday, February 12, 2011, 6:14 PM

Thanks everyone for your throughts. Still not sure what route I am going to take but hearing everyone's point of view is always helpful to me.Thank you so much,> >> > Our Dan gave us a three month supply of Valtrex/Difulcan to start for our daughter who is 2.5 while we test for metals(Porphyrins,urine test) but I am hearing that it's better

to do some chelation first and that I should wait to start the Valtrex until after I know if heavy metals is a problem.> > > > > > > > Now I don't know what to think if that's the case and it's better to wait why wouldn't my dan say so she is a good dan... Dr Usman.> > > > > > I was told that the metals "house" the virus's so that as long as the metal are in her body they are supressing her immune system and using valtrex on a week immune system is a bad idea.> > > > > > So I am confused..I think it may be just a difference in option but my question is who to trust? I don't want to sit on starting Valtrex if it's going to help my daughter but also I don't want to cause her body any harm.> > > > > > any advise?> > > > Thanks,> > > > mom to> > Arianna 11 NT> >

Savanna 3 NT> > Sieanna 2.5-dx global developmental delays-my feeling is PDD-NOS> > Jr-14 months-so far so good> >>

February 12, 2011

How do you test for iodine deficiency... would it show up in a normal blood work up?

February 12, 2011

I have posted before about how I can smell metal coming off my son when he

chelates, but I haven't heard of anyone else experiencing that. I can smell it

when he takes DMSA. We started iodine over three months ago and I noticed that

he also smelled like metal after starting it. The one night he didn't smell was

the day I had forgotten to give him his iodine.

I did some research after that and found that iodine does chelate metal -

including mercury.

It sounds crazy, but his metallic smell recently changed from a " heavier,

richer " metallic scent to a " lighter " one. I swear he is dumping a different

metal now. (I have a very keen sense of smell.) My husband describes it more

generically by saying he smells like a battery when he is dumping. It is always

at the back of his skull at the top of his neck and is stronger after he sweats

(obviously.)

We just finished round 6 of DMSA and this time around it was oral rather than

suppository. It was rougher because it did cause a yeast flare and he has had

to be on Diflucan. Even on the Diflucan, he flares with each round and it takes

a few days after the DMSA for him to settle back down. I told my husband that I

think from here on out if we continue to chelate, I may want to go Cutler

protocol. But I am tempted to just let the iodine do the job at this point.

Chelation has been very good for him and I don't feel comfortable leaving the

metal in his body, but I don't want him too uncomfortable with it coming out

either. I am amazed that he can be dumping so much metal. He has dumped in the

past with chelation, but he has been dumping non-stop since the beginning of

November. Crazy. I was just thinking today about how much he SWEAT as a baby

(symptom of mercury poisoning.) If I had only known then what I know now (well,

before any of my children were born would be best, but...)

It's late...I'm rambling...time for bed...

> On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Cheryl wrote:

>

> >

> > had previously gone

> > thru AC Cutler chelation with some progress. Not alot of progress. And it

> > was ruff on him. (And me) Would i do it again if i knew or felt his metals

> > were high. Absolutely. I could smell the metal come out of him each cycle.

> > In him, not good. I think i would want to do mineral testing too while

> > chelating (if money were no object) cause its hard getting the right

> > balance.

> >

> > After being on Iodine for 3 to 4 months had several days of metal

> > dumping. I could smell it. It was weird. Only occasionaly is there enough

> > now to smell it. I think the metal comes out like most people now, all the

> > time, rather than in one big dump. I dont really know for sure, he hasnt

> > been tested. Just my guess.

> >

>

February 12, 2011

So when you give iodine, do you need to give anything else to prevent redistribution of the metals?

I have posted before about how I can smell metal coming off my son when he chelates, but I haven't heard of anyone else experiencing that. I can smell it when he takes DMSA. We started iodine over three months ago and I noticed that he also smelled like metal after starting it. The one night he didn't smell was the day I had forgotten to give him his iodine.

I did some research after that and found that iodine does chelate metal - including mercury.

It sounds crazy, but his metallic smell recently changed from a " heavier, richer " metallic scent to a " lighter " one. I swear he is dumping a different metal now. (I have a very keen sense of smell.) My husband describes it more generically by saying he smells like a battery when he is dumping. It is always at the back of his skull at the top of his neck and is stronger after he sweats (obviously.)

We just finished round 6 of DMSA and this time around it was oral rather than suppository. It was rougher because it did cause a yeast flare and he has had to be on Diflucan. Even on the Diflucan, he flares with each round and it takes a few days after the DMSA for him to settle back down. I told my husband that I think from here on out if we continue to chelate, I may want to go Cutler protocol. But I am tempted to just let the iodine do the job at this point.

Chelation has been very good for him and I don't feel comfortable leaving the metal in his body, but I don't want him too uncomfortable with it coming out either. I am amazed that he can be dumping so much metal. He has dumped in the past with chelation, but he has been dumping non-stop since the beginning of November. Crazy. I was just thinking today about how much he SWEAT as a baby (symptom of mercury poisoning.) If I had only known then what I know now (well, before any of my children were born would be best, but...)

It's late...I'm rambling...time for bed...

> On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Cheryl wrote:

>

> >

> > had previously gone

> > thru AC Cutler chelation with some progress. Not alot of progress. And it

> > was ruff on him. (And me) Would i do it again if i knew or felt his metals

> > were high. Absolutely. I could smell the metal come out of him each cycle.

> > In him, not good. I think i would want to do mineral testing too while

> > chelating (if money were no object) cause its hard getting the right

> > balance.

> >

> > After being on Iodine for 3 to 4 months had several days of metal

> > dumping. I could smell it. It was weird. Only occasionaly is there enough

> > now to smell it. I think the metal comes out like most people now, all the

> > time, rather than in one big dump. I dont really know for sure, he hasnt

> > been tested. Just my guess.

> >

>

February 13, 2011

Hi ,

I know exactly what you mean about changing scents. I think i can detect the

tiniest of change in the smells around me. I am always the one smelling

something that no one else does.

What iodine dosage are you giving your child? So few children are on iodine i

like to learn what is being used.

Iodine is involved in every process that help our bodies excrete metals. Iodine

isnt actually a cheltor by definition. The iodine doesnt bind with the metal and

remove it (thats the defination of a chelator).

Iodine is required by all body parts and cells whose functions are to remove

metals. When there isnt enough iodine, mercury is able to take over. Literally.

Then the mercury effects the functions of the thyroid which effect the

functions of the brain, endocrine, digestive systems and effecting the uptake of

all minerals to some extent. Mercury effects thyroid function and the

nutritional status of magnesium, folate, vitamin B12, methionine, zinc and

protein utilization. Mercury disrupts every place it is able to land or bind.

If the body is iodine rich, sufficient, the mercury is unable to displace the

iodine from the cells. It is unable to " land " . If there is not iodine, the

mercury becomes the controller of the cell. Enough iodine, body parts function

how they are suppose to, mercury is excreted.

Cheryl

>

> I have posted before about how I can smell metal coming off my son when he

chelates, but I haven't heard of anyone else experiencing that. I can smell it

when he takes DMSA. We started iodine over three months ago and I noticed that

he also smelled like metal after starting it. The one night he didn't smell was

the day I had forgotten to give him his iodine.

>

> I did some research after that and found that iodine does chelate metal -

including mercury.

>

> It sounds crazy, but his metallic smell recently changed from a " heavier,

richer " metallic scent to a " lighter " one. I swear he is dumping a different

metal now. (I have a very keen sense of smell.) My husband describes it more

generically by saying he smells like a battery when he is dumping. It is always

at the back of his skull at the top of his neck and is stronger after he sweats

(obviously.)

>

> We just finished round 6 of DMSA and this time around it was oral rather than

suppository. It was rougher because it did cause a yeast flare and he has had

to be on Diflucan. Even on the Diflucan, he flares with each round and it takes

a few days after the DMSA for him to settle back down. I told my husband that I

think from here on out if we continue to chelate, I may want to go Cutler

protocol. But I am tempted to just let the iodine do the job at this point.

>

> Chelation has been very good for him and I don't feel comfortable leaving the

metal in his body, but I don't want him too uncomfortable with it coming out

either. I am amazed that he can be dumping so much metal. He has dumped in the

past with chelation, but he has been dumping non-stop since the beginning of

November. Crazy. I was just thinking today about how much he SWEAT as a baby

(symptom of mercury poisoning.) If I had only known then what I know now (well,

before any of my children were born would be best, but...)

>

> It's late...I'm rambling...time for bed...

>

February 13, 2011

Thanks Casandra

Well that does make sense about the titers..I have talk to many people who say

that they never tested for titers or that their kids didn't have all or any

shots but in our case my daughter was tested for titers and 6 were high with

Rubella being very very high so maybe that was her thinking behind having me

start Valtrex first. My daughter had most all her shots I believe there was

another DPT she was due for that I declinded. Did you see any gains using

Valtrex?

Thanks,

>

> Hi there,

>

> We did valtrex then after a few months started chelation. We were with Dr.

Bock. For us I think it was the right thing to do. I believe the decision was

based on our titers. We contiued on with valtrex while chelating. Removing the

metals and cleaning up the viruses at the same time.

>

> Casandra

>

> > To: mb12 valtrex

> > From: ginger82099@...

> > Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 10:18:39 +0000

> > Subject: Valtex or Chelation..what would you do first?

> >

> > Our Dan gave us a three month supply of Valtrex/Difulcan to start for our

daughter who is 2.5 while we test for metals(Porphyrins,urine test) but I am

hearing that it's better to do some chelation first and that I should wait to

start the Valtrex until after I know if heavy metals is a problem.

> >

> > Now I don't know what to think if that's the case and it's better to wait

why wouldn't my dan say so she is a good dan... Dr Usman.

> >

> > I was told that the metals " house " the virus's so that as long as the metal

are in her body they are supressing her immune system and using valtrex on a

week immune system is a bad idea.

> >

> > So I am confused..I think it may be just a difference in option but my

question is who to trust? I don't want to sit on starting Valtrex if it's going

to help my daughter but also I don't want to cause her body any harm.

> >

> > any advise?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > mom to

> > Arianna 11 NT

> > Savanna 3 NT

> > Sieanna 2.5-dx global developmental delays-my feeling is PDD-NOS

> > Jr-14 months-so far so good

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

February 13, 2011

Hi there,

We had the best gains yet with valtrex. He went from one word answers to putting words together. His rubella was extremely high too. We also used Monolaurin. My other son didn't have a notable reaction but he never got the MMR. He regressed after polio.

Casandra

> To: mb12 valtrex > Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 01:03:03 +0000> Subject: Re: Valtex or Chelation..what would you do first?> > > Thanks Casandra> > > > Well that does make sense about the titers..I have talk to many people who say that they never tested for titers or that their kids didn't have all or any shots but in our case my daughter was tested for titers and 6 were high with Rubella being very very high so maybe that was her thinking behind having me start Valtrex first. My daughter had most all her shots I believe there was another DPT she was due for that I declinded. Did you see any gains using Valtrex?> > > > Thanks,> > > > > > >> > > > Hi there,> > > > We did valtrex then after a few months started chelation. We were with Dr. Bock. For us I think it was the right thing to do. I believe the decision was based on our titers. We contiued on with valtrex while chelating. Removing the metals and cleaning up the viruses at the same time.> > > > Casandra> > > > > To: mb12 valtrex > > > > > Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 10:18:39 +0000> > > Subject: Valtex or Chelation..what would you do first?> > > > > > Our Dan gave us a three month supply of Valtrex/Difulcan to start for our daughter who is 2.5 while we test for metals(Porphyrins,urine test) but I am hearing that it's better to do some chelation first and that I should wait to start the Valtrex until after I know if heavy metals is a problem.> > > > > > > > > > > > Now I don't know what to think if that's the case and it's better to wait why wouldn't my dan say so she is a good dan... Dr Usman.> > > > > > > > > I was told that the metals "house" the virus's so that as long as the metal are in her body they are supressing her immune system and using valtrex on a week immune system is a bad idea.> > > > > > > > > So I am confused..I think it may be just a difference in option but my question is who to trust? I don't want to sit on starting Valtrex if it's going to help my daughter but also I don't want to cause her body any harm.> > > > > > > > > any advise?> > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > mom to> > > Arianna 11 NT> > > Savanna 3 NT> > > Sieanna 2.5-dx global developmental delays-my feeling is PDD-NOS> > > Jr-14 months-so far so good> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------> > > > > >

February 13, 2011

Cheryl I am so excited to read this! We took our son to a Amish Guy in Indiana

(we also see Phil DeMio in Columbus OH as our DAN! doc) who practices muscle

testing/applied kinesiology and he said Malachi's THYROID is the cause of his

PDD. Malachi has NOT ever had one vaccine.

He said Malachi needs a teaspoon of Kelp everyday. So he's been getting it

everyday (and I rub it on his feet at bed) for 2.5 months so far. SO

INTERESTING!!

> >

> > Our Dan gave us a three month supply of Valtrex/Difulcan to start for our

daughter who is 2.5 while we test for metals(Porphyrins,urine test) but I am

hearing that it's better to do some chelation first and that I should wait to

start the Valtrex until after I know if heavy metals is a problem.

> >

> > Now I don't know what to think if that's the case and it's better to wait

why wouldn't my dan say so she is a good dan... Dr Usman.

> >

> > I was told that the metals " house " the virus's so that as long as the metal

are in her body they are supressing her immune system and using valtrex on a

week immune system is a bad idea.

> >

> > So I am confused..I think it may be just a difference in option but my

question is who to trust? I don't want to sit on starting Valtrex if it's going

to help my daughter but also I don't want to cause her body any harm.

> >

> > any advise?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > mom to

> > Arianna 11 NT

> > Savanna 3 NT

> > Sieanna 2.5-dx global developmental delays-my feeling is PDD-NOS

> > Jr-14 months-so far so good

> >

>

February 13, 2011

, are you rubbing kelp on his feet or iodine?Man, this iodine discussion IS fascinating. The more I look at it, the more I realize how many levels of damage need to be undone and addressed. I never even thought about iodine before coming to this group, but what Cheryl says is making SO much sense.

Cheryl I am so excited to read this! We took our son to a Amish Guy in Indiana (we also see Phil DeMio in Columbus OH as our DAN! doc) who practices muscle testing/applied kinesiology and he said Malachi's THYROID is the cause of his PDD. Malachi has NOT ever had one vaccine.

He said Malachi needs a teaspoon of Kelp everyday. So he's been getting it everyday (and I rub it on his feet at bed) for 2.5 months so far. SO INTERESTING!!

> >

> > Our Dan gave us a three month supply of Valtrex/Difulcan to start for our daughter who is 2.5 while we test for metals(Porphyrins,urine test) but I am hearing that it's better to do some chelation first and that I should wait to start the Valtrex until after I know if heavy metals is a problem.

> >

> > Now I don't know what to think if that's the case and it's better to wait why wouldn't my dan say so she is a good dan... Dr Usman.

> >

> > I was told that the metals " house " the virus's so that as long as the metal are in her body they are supressing her immune system and using valtrex on a week immune system is a bad idea.

> >

> > So I am confused..I think it may be just a difference in option but my question is who to trust? I don't want to sit on starting Valtrex if it's going to help my daughter but also I don't want to cause her body any harm.

> >

> > any advise?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > mom to

> > Arianna 11 NT

> > Savanna 3 NT

> > Sieanna 2.5-dx global developmental delays-my feeling is PDD-NOS

> > Jr-14 months-so far so good

> >

>

February 14, 2011

Alberta

The Amish Herbalist guy told me I can give Kelp orally as well as rubbing it on

his feet and drops in his belly button--CRAZY! He said malachi needs it

desperately for 5 months min.

When he said that the thyroid is the root of my son's problems, I came home and

was fascinated to find out how Iodine deficiency (or thyroid problems) will

first display itself in the digestive process and weight gain/loss. My son had

SEVERE reflux and didn't gain weight (failure to thrive at 3 months---still @

birth weight).

Then I read about Iodine's ability to cleanse the blood of heavy metals and how

it controls candida and I continually was amazed at how everything I read seemed

to explain my son and HOW this happened (since he's not been vaccinated). It's

CRAZY!!

> > > >

> > > > Our Dan gave us a three month supply of Valtrex/Difulcan to start for

> > our daughter who is 2.5 while we test for metals(Porphyrins,urine test) but

> > I am hearing that it's better to do some chelation first and that I should

> > wait to start the Valtrex until after I know if heavy metals is a problem.

> > > >

> > > > Now I don't know what to think if that's the case and it's better to

> > wait why wouldn't my dan say so she is a good dan... Dr Usman.

> > > >

> > > > I was told that the metals " house " the virus's so that as long as the

> > metal are in her body they are supressing her immune system and using

> > valtrex on a week immune system is a bad idea.

> > > >

> > > > So I am confused..I think it may be just a difference in option but my

> > question is who to trust? I don't want to sit on starting Valtrex if it's

> > going to help my daughter but also I don't want to cause her body any harm.

> > > >

> > > > any advise?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > mom to

> > > > Arianna 11 NT

> > > > Savanna 3 NT

> > > > Sieanna 2.5-dx global developmental delays-my feeling is PDD-NOS

> > > > Jr-14 months-so far so good

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 14, 2011

Valtrex removed metals from our son we sent of a few base line urine

samples when he was on valtrex and was amazed at the amount of metals

coming out and that was every day. Metals must be bound to the virus .

> Alberta

> The Amish Herbalist guy told me I can give Kelp orally as well as rubbing it

> on his feet and drops in his belly button--CRAZY! He said malachi needs it

> desperately for 5 months min.

>

> When he said that the thyroid is the root of my son's problems, I came home

> and was fascinated to find out how Iodine deficiency (or thyroid problems)

> will first display itself in the digestive process and weight gain/loss. My

> son had SEVERE reflux and didn't gain weight (failure to thrive at 3

> months---still @ birth weight).

>

> Then I read about Iodine's ability to cleanse the blood of heavy metals and

> how it controls candida and I continually was amazed at how everything I

> read seemed to explain my son and HOW this happened (since he's not been

> vaccinated). It's CRAZY!!

>

>> > > >

>> > > > Our Dan gave us a three month supply of Valtrex/Difulcan to start

>> > > > for

>> > our daughter who is 2.5 while we test for metals(Porphyrins,urine test)

>> > but

>> > I am hearing that it's better to do some chelation first and that I

>> > should

>> > wait to start the Valtrex until after I know if heavy metals is a

>> > problem.

>> > > >

>> > > > Now I don't know what to think if that's the case and it's better to

>> > wait why wouldn't my dan say so she is a good dan... Dr Usman.

>> > > >

>> > > > I was told that the metals " house " the virus's so that as long as

>> > > > the

>> > metal are in her body they are supressing her immune system and using

>> > valtrex on a week immune system is a bad idea.

>> > > >

>> > > > So I am confused..I think it may be just a difference in option but

>> > > > my

>> > question is who to trust? I don't want to sit on starting Valtrex if

>> > it's

>> > going to help my daughter but also I don't want to cause her body any

>> > harm.

>> > > >

>> > > > any advise?

>> > > >

>> > > > Thanks,

>> > > >

>> > > > mom to

>> > > > Arianna 11 NT

>> > > > Savanna 3 NT

>> > > > Sieanna 2.5-dx global developmental delays-my feeling is PDD-NOS

>> > > > Jr-14 months-so far so good

>> > > >

>> > >

>> >

>>

>

--

Cotter

4 Pollerton Manor

Carlow

059 9134964

087 2637921

February 14, 2011

>> Very good just started our son on supplement last week had him energy tested and he lacking normal thyroid labs dont mean that there is not a deficency of iodine., sorry if I'm asking an obvious question (I'm running on about 2 hours sleep/night right now for about a week straight so my brain's not the sharpest right now) -- but what does this mean? What is " energy tested " ? And when you said that he's " lacking normal thyroid labs " -- do you mean that his thyroid levels were off but his iodine levels were ok? And when you say that you started your son on supplement last week, do you mean iodine? If his iodine levels were ok, do you still supplement iodine if thyroid levels aren't where they should be?

This thyroid/iodine discussion just blows me away. I really want to understand as much about it as possible.

Was that solomon wickey.just read book by david brownstein iodine why

you need it and cant live without it. Very good just started our son

on supplement last week had him energy tested and he lacking normal

thyroid labs dont mean that there is not a deficency of iodine

> Alberta

> The Amish Herbalist guy told me I can give Kelp orally as well as rubbing it

> on his feet and drops in his belly button--CRAZY! He said malachi needs it

> desperately for 5 months min.

>

> When he said that the thyroid is the root of my son's problems, I came home

> and was fascinated to find out how Iodine deficiency (or thyroid problems)

> will first display itself in the digestive process and weight gain/loss. My

> son had SEVERE reflux and didn't gain weight (failure to thrive at 3

> months---still @ birth weight).

>

> Then I read about Iodine's ability to cleanse the blood of heavy metals and

> how it controls candida and I continually was amazed at how everything I

> read seemed to explain my son and HOW this happened (since he's not been

> vaccinated). It's CRAZY!!

>

>> > > >

>> > > > Our Dan gave us a three month supply of Valtrex/Difulcan to start

>> > > > for

>> > our daughter who is 2.5 while we test for metals(Porphyrins,urine test)

>> > but

>> > I am hearing that it's better to do some chelation first and that I

>> > should

>> > wait to start the Valtrex until after I know if heavy metals is a

>> > problem.

>> > > >

>> > > > Now I don't know what to think if that's the case and it's better to

>> > wait why wouldn't my dan say so she is a good dan... Dr Usman.

>> > > >

>> > > > I was told that the metals " house " the virus's so that as long as

>> > > > the

>> > metal are in her body they are supressing her immune system and using

>> > valtrex on a week immune system is a bad idea.

>> > > >

>> > > > So I am confused..I think it may be just a difference in option but

>> > > > my

>> > question is who to trust? I don't want to sit on starting Valtrex if

>> > it's

>> > going to help my daughter but also I don't want to cause her body any

>> > harm.

>> > > >

>> > > > any advise?

>> > > >

>> > > > Thanks,

>> > > >

>> > > > mom to

>> > > > Arianna 11 NT

>> > > > Savanna 3 NT

>> > > > Sieanna 2.5-dx global developmental delays-my feeling is PDD-NOS

>> > > > Jr-14 months-so far so good

>> > > >

>> > >

>> >

>>

>

--

Cotter

4 Pollerton Manor

Carlow

059 9134964

087 2637921

February 14, 2011

hi ,sons labs were normal for thyroid fuction,but after reading david brownsteins book,iodin why you need it and cant live without it available from amazon,i came to understand that iodine is a major player,that if we are deficent we cant detox,we have tried so many protocols with our son and have had to stop ,as his body couldnt handle it even with ll the supports in place,now i am thinking iodine or lack of it could be major cause of this.

bio energy is what i am talking about when i say energy tested, we are in ireland and have practitioners for bio energy,not sure where you are located but i am sure if you google bio energy practitioners in your area you will find one

normal thyroid function tests do not mean you are not deficent in iodine,wish i knew all this years ago,but its never to late

>> Very good just started our son on supplement last week had him energy tested and he lacking normal thyroid labs dont mean that there is not a deficency of iodine., sorry if I'm asking an obvious question (I'm running on about 2 hours sleep/night right now for about a week straight so my brain's not the sharpest right now) -- but what does this mean? What is " energy tested " ? And when you said that he's " lacking normal thyroid labs " -- do you mean that his thyroid levels were off but his iodine levels were ok? And when you say that you started your son on supplement last week, do you mean iodine? If his iodine levels were ok, do you still supplement iodine if thyroid levels aren't where they should be?

This thyroid/iodine discussion just blows me away. I really want to understand as much about it as possible.

Was that solomon wickey.just read book by david brownstein iodine whyyou need it and cant live without it. Very good just started our sonon supplement last week had him energy tested and he lacking normalthyroid labs dont mean that there is not a deficency of iodine

> Alberta> The Amish Herbalist guy told me I can give Kelp orally as well as rubbing it

> on his feet and drops in his belly button--CRAZY! He said malachi needs it> desperately for 5 months min.>> When he said that the thyroid is the root of my son's problems, I came home> and was fascinated to find out how Iodine deficiency (or thyroid problems)

> will first display itself in the digestive process and weight gain/loss. My> son had SEVERE reflux and didn't gain weight (failure to thrive at 3> months---still @ birth weight).>> Then I read about Iodine's ability to cleanse the blood of heavy metals and

> how it controls candida and I continually was amazed at how everything I> read seemed to explain my son and HOW this happened (since he's not been> vaccinated). It's CRAZY!!>>> >> > > >

>> > > > Our Dan gave us a three month supply of Valtrex/Difulcan to start>> > > > for>> > our daughter who is 2.5 while we test for metals(Porphyrins,urine test)>> > but

>> > I am hearing that it's better to do some chelation first and that I>> > should>> > wait to start the Valtrex until after I know if heavy metals is a>> > problem.

>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > Now I don't know what to think if that's the case and it's better to>> > wait why wouldn't my dan say so she is a good dan... Dr Usman.

>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > I was told that the metals " house " the virus's so that as long as>> > > > the>> > metal are in her body they are supressing her immune system and using

>> > valtrex on a week immune system is a bad idea.>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > So I am confused..I think it may be just a difference in option but>> > > > my

>> > question is who to trust? I don't want to sit on starting Valtrex if>> > it's>> > going to help my daughter but also I don't want to cause her body any>> > harm.

>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > any advise?>> > > >>> > > > Thanks,>> > > > >> > > > mom to

>> > > > Arianna 11 NT>> > > > Savanna 3 NT>> > > > Sieanna 2.5-dx global developmental delays-my feeling is PDD-NOS>> > > > Jr-14 months-so far so good

>> > > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>

-- Cotter4 Pollerton ManorCarlow059 9134964087 2637921

February 14, 2011

Great information. Thanks, !