Re: Valtex or Chelation..what would you do first?

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Cheryl,

Do you use transdermal magnesium chloride? I have been thinking about using it.

>

> Enough Iodine with Magnesium, Selenium, Natural Salt, Vit C all help the body

remove the toxins, metals, dead bugs. Transdermal magnesium chloride is suppose

to be one of the best things to help remove the displaced mercury from the body.

>

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Its a common misconception (that iodine is a chelator) and why i wanted to make

sure. Half is a good easy dosage to start. If you cut it in half it will

dissolve in the stomach not intestines.There is a coating that lets it pass into

the intestines in tact. Some have a problem with too much iodine in the stomach

at one time, so if there is upset might need to eat more food with it or space

it out over 2 meals. like 1/4 a tablet at breakfast, the other at lunch.

I am glad to see your Dan recommending it. The word is spreading!

Cheryl

>

> Hi Cheryl,

>

> Oops, my bad. Yes, I know iodine is not by definition a chelator...I was very

tired. Haha.

>

> Our DAN! ped. recommended half of an Iodoral per day. This particular son is

46 lbs. We also put our other son on Iodoral at the same dose and he is 50 lbs.

The older son also chelated on DMSA and that was very good for him too, but he

never smelled like metal and he also doesn't while on Iodoral. Maybe he is less

metal toxic or maybe he just doesn't excrete as much through his pores/sweat as

my younger son does. It does make me wonder if my younger son would benefit

from some sort of therapy that makes him sweat a lot (in addition to normal

exercise.)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes.

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/NCL018/ItemDetail

I put it in a spray bottle.

There is also Magnesium Oil that is used as another name for Magnesium Chloride.

They both contain the Magnesium Chloride but they are different. There is a

very expensive brand (Ancient Minerals i think its called) and Swansons Mag Oil.

The Mag Oil makes me itch. Some like it and say you have to get use to the itch,

but it never stopped making me itch. So i use Nutricology. Some on the iodine

list make their own but i am not that brave. There is a recipe there.

Cheryl

>

> Cheryl,

>

> Do you use transdermal magnesium chloride? I have been thinking about using

it.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, viruses hold on to metals.

Cheryl ~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com~~@Gryffins_Tail~

Valtrex removed metals from our son we sent of a few base line urine

samples when he was on valtrex and was amazed at the amount of metals

coming out and that was every day. Metals must be bound to the virus .

> Alberta

> The Amish Herbalist guy told me I can give Kelp orally as well as rubbing it

> on his feet and drops in his belly button--CRAZY! He said malachi needs it

> desperately for 5 months min.

>

> When he said that the thyroid is the root of my son's problems, I came home

> and was fascinated to find out how Iodine deficiency (or thyroid problems)

> will first display itself in the digestive process and weight gain/loss. My

> son had SEVERE reflux and didn't gain weight (failure to thrive at 3

> months---still @ birth weight).

>

> Then I read about Iodine's ability to cleanse the blood of heavy metals and

> how it controls candida and I continually was amazed at how everything I

> read seemed to explain my son and HOW this happened (since he's not been

> vaccinated). It's CRAZY!!

>

>

>

>> > > >

>> > > > Our Dan gave us a three month supply of Valtrex/Difulcan to start

>> > > > for

>> > our daughter who is 2.5 while we test for metals(Porphyrins,urine test)

>> > but

>> > I am hearing that it's better to do some chelation first and that I

>> > should

>> > wait to start the Valtrex until after I know if heavy metals is a

>> > problem.

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > > Now I don't know what to think if that's the case and it's better to

>> > wait why wouldn't my dan say so she is a good dan... Dr Usman.

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > > I was told that the metals "house" the virus's so that as long as

>> > > > the

>> > metal are in her body they are supressing her immune system and using

>> > valtrex on a week immune system is a bad idea.

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > > So I am confused..I think it may be just a difference in option but

>> > > > my

>> > question is who to trust? I don't want to sit on starting Valtrex if

>> > it's

>> > going to help my daughter but also I don't want to cause her body any

>> > harm.

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > > any advise?

>> > > >

>> > > > Thanks,

>> > > >

>> > > > mom to

>> > > > Arianna 11 NT

>> > > > Savanna 3 NT

>> > > > Sieanna 2.5-dx global developmental delays-my feeling is PDD-NOS

>> > > > Jr-14 months-so far so good

>> > > >

>> > >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>>

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>

>

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Cheryl,

Sorry for all of my questions but I started my three-year-old twins on lugols this week (today is day 3). I've been giving one drop in the morning. My question is, if I don't see any changes (altough I swear they are in better moods), should I just continue the one drop indefinitely, or should I gradually increase until I notice some sort of die off-type behaviors? I just want to know that I'm giving them enough to make a difference. I know I need to give it some time since it's only day three. I just want to know what my game plan should be from here. I thought maybe after this week, I would increase to two drops. Thanks for any advice.

- Kirk-

To: mb12 valtrex From: mossyforrest@...Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 02:41:50 +0000Subject: Re: Valtex or Chelation..what would you do first?

Its a common misconception (that iodine is a chelator) and why i wanted to make sure. Half is a good easy dosage to start. If you cut it in half it will dissolve in the stomach not intestines.There is a coating that lets it pass into the intestines in tact. Some have a problem with too much iodine in the stomach at one time, so if there is upset might need to eat more food with it or space it out over 2 meals. like 1/4 a tablet at breakfast, the other at lunch. I am glad to see your Dan recommending it. The word is spreading! Cheryl >> Hi Cheryl,> > Oops, my bad. Yes, I know iodine is not by definition a chelator...I was very tired. Haha.> > Our DAN! ped. recommended half of an Iodoral per day. This particular son is 46 lbs. We also put our other son on Iodoral at the same dose and he is 50 lbs. The older son also chelated on DMSA and that was very good for him too, but he never smelled like metal and he also doesn't while on Iodoral. Maybe he is less metal toxic or maybe he just doesn't excrete as much through his pores/sweat as my younger son does. It does make me wonder if my younger son would benefit from some sort of therapy that makes him sweat a lot (in addition to normal exercise.)> >

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Hi ,

I would increase to 2 drops after a week or 2. Then either stay at 2 for a

while or go to 3 a week or so after using 2, with 1 to 2 drops max ingested,

the rest transdermal. I think both ingested and the slow steady absorbtion of

transdermal is better.

Whether a person feels die off depends on how much and what is in their body

and how good their liver and kidneys are at removing the toxins/dead stuff. It

takes very little iodine to make a difference. Think of it as 2 sponges. On

one, you drop one drop a day and it takes a year before the sponge is completely

soaked. The other sponge you drop 5 drops a day and it takes 6 months to

completely soak. It's a matter of time.

The more iodine you take the more the body soaks and gets to saturation so that

every cell in the body has enough. The balance of using enough to soak the

" sponge " (body) but not enough to cause misery or too fast detox is the goal.

Iodine is definetly a mood effector :-)

Cheryl

>

>

> Cheryl,

>

> Sorry for all of my questions but I started my three-year-old twins on lugols

this week (today is day 3). I've been giving one drop in the morning. My

question is, if I don't see any changes (altough I swear they are in better

moods), should I just continue the one drop indefinitely, or should I gradually

increase until I notice some sort of die off-type behaviors? I just want to know

that I'm giving them enough to make a difference. I know I need to give it some

time since it's only day three. I just want to know what my game plan should be

from here. I thought maybe after this week, I would increase to two drops.

Thanks for any advice.

>

>

> - Kirk-

[Guest guest]

You should see the morning I am having. I actually managed to drink an entire cup of coffee and sit on the computer for an hour with no interruptions or fights. They woke up in awesome moods and have been playing nicely all morning. If this is from the iodine, I wish I had started earlier! Can you give me a link or the name of a transdermal product, and also tll me when I should apply, where (on the body), and how often? Thanks! You have been extremely helpful!

- Kirk-

To: mb12 valtrex From: mossyforrest@...Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:06:04 +0000Subject: Re: Valtex or Chelation..what would you do first?

Hi , I would increase to 2 drops after a week or 2. Then either stay at 2 for a while or go to 3 a week or so after using 2, with 1 to 2 drops max ingested, the rest transdermal. I think both ingested and the slow steady absorbtion of transdermal is better. Whether a person feels die off depends on how much and what is in their body and how good their liver and kidneys are at removing the toxins/dead stuff. It takes very little iodine to make a difference. Think of it as 2 sponges. On one, you drop one drop a day and it takes a year before the sponge is completely soaked. The other sponge you drop 5 drops a day and it takes 6 months to completely soak. It's a matter of time.The more iodine you take the more the body soaks and gets to saturation so that every cell in the body has enough. The balance of using enough to soak the "sponge" (body) but not enough to cause misery or too fast detox is the goal. Iodine is definetly a mood effector :-) Cheryl >> > Cheryl,> > Sorry for all of my questions but I started my three-year-old twins on lugols this week (today is day 3). I've been giving one drop in the morning. My question is, if I don't see any changes (altough I swear they are in better moods), should I just continue the one drop indefinitely, or should I gradually increase until I notice some sort of die off-type behaviors? I just want to know that I'm giving them enough to make a difference. I know I need to give it some time since it's only day three. I just want to know what my game plan should be from here. I thought maybe after this week, I would increase to two drops. Thanks for any advice. > > > - Kirk-

[Guest guest]

The Lugols can be used Transdermally. It works out more expensively than

ingesting because the uptake is only about 3/4mg per drop. So if you load a qtip

with iodine and paint areas of the body you would be getting about 4mg per qtip.

(My fuzzy math, definetly not 100% accurate, but dont really feel exact is

necessary, close enough is good).

Povidone, which you can get at most pharmacys can be used transdermally.

Povidone is 1% iodine. Tinctures can be used transdermally but they are more

drying cause of the alcohol. Povidone and tinctures should never be ingested.

Cheryl

>

>

> You should see the morning I am having. I actually managed to drink an entire

cup of coffee and sit on the computer for an hour with no interruptions or

fights. They woke up in awesome moods and have been playing nicely all morning.

If this is from the iodine, I wish I had started earlier! Can you give me a

link or the name of a transdermal product, and also tll me when I should apply,

where (on the body), and how often? Thanks! You have been extremely helpful!

>

>

> - Kirk-

>

>

[Guest guest]

Cheryl,I had just picked up a lugol's solution from Medisca.  It was the only one available from the store I was at.  However, when I got home, I just noticed that it says it's for compounding.  Is all lugol's solution 2%.  This one doesn't state it on the bottle and I just did a quick google and I wasn't able to make heads or tails of the information given on their site.  It just says it's a " strong iodine solution " . 

Did I buy the wrong one?  Or does this mean that there's higher than 2% iodine in there? 

 

The Lugols can be used Transdermally. It works out more expensively than ingesting because the uptake is only about 3/4mg per drop. So if you load a qtip with iodine and paint areas of the body you would be getting about 4mg per qtip. (My fuzzy math, definetly not 100% accurate, but dont really feel exact is necessary, close enough is good).

Povidone, which you can get at most pharmacys can be used transdermally. Povidone is 1% iodine. Tinctures can be used transdermally but they are more drying cause of the alcohol. Povidone and tinctures should never be ingested.

Cheryl

>

>

> You should see the morning I am having. I actually managed to drink an entire cup of coffee and sit on the computer for an hour with no interruptions or fights. They woke up in awesome moods and have been playing nicely all morning. If this is from the iodine, I wish I had started earlier! Can you give me a link or the name of a transdermal product, and also tll me when I should apply, where (on the body), and how often? Thanks! You have been extremely helpful!

>

>

> - Kirk-

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes some are 5%Sent from my iPhone

Cheryl,I had just picked up a lugol's solution from Medisca. It was the only one available from the store I was at. However, when I got home, I just noticed that it says it's for compounding. Is all lugol's solution 2%. This one doesn't state it on the bottle and I just did a quick google and I wasn't able to make heads or tails of the information given on their site. It just says it's a "strong iodine solution".

Did I buy the wrong one? Or does this mean that there's higher than 2% iodine in there?

The Lugols can be used Transdermally. It works out more expensively than ingesting because the uptake is only about 3/4mg per drop. So if you load a qtip with iodine and paint areas of the body you would be getting about 4mg per qtip. (My fuzzy math, definetly not 100% accurate, but dont really feel exact is necessary, close enough is good).

Povidone, which you can get at most pharmacys can be used transdermally. Povidone is 1% iodine. Tinctures can be used transdermally but they are more drying cause of the alcohol. Povidone and tinctures should never be ingested.

Cheryl

>

>

> You should see the morning I am having. I actually managed to drink an entire cup of coffee and sit on the computer for an hour with no interruptions or fights. They woke up in awesome moods and have been playing nicely all morning. If this is from the iodine, I wish I had started earlier! Can you give me a link or the name of a transdermal product, and also tll me when I should apply, where (on the body), and how often? Thanks! You have been extremely helpful!

>

>

> - Kirk-

>

>

[Guest guest]

this iodine info is exciting and scary. Cheryl, do you have a good reference

with all that info I could share with my DAN and others? No one has every

suggested iodine or thyroid issues to us. Sure does make sense. Can I just start

iodine on my own and see what happens, or is it really important to test first?

We use Enhansa as our antiviral and are seeing great success, but as with all

treatments, we see success but not cure. Wouldn't it be wonderful to find a

quick fix that balanced everything out???

Also, I read online that it's important to take ionized iodine, not iodide that

is in Lugol's. I hope I read that correctly. Is this true? What brands do

people here use?

Thanks!

Hope is a powerful thing!

> > >

> > > Our Dan gave us a three month supply of Valtrex/Difulcan to start for our

daughter who is 2.5 while we test for metals(Porphyrins,urine test) but I am

hearing that it's better to do some chelation first and that I should wait to

start the Valtrex until after I know if heavy metals is a problem.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Now I don't know what to think if that's the case and it's better to wait

why wouldn't my dan say so she is a good dan... Dr Usman.

> > >

> > >

> > > I was told that the metals " house " the virus's so that as long as the

metal are in her body they are supressing her immune system and using valtrex on

a week immune system is a bad idea.

> > >

> > >

> > > So I am confused..I think it may be just a difference in option but my

question is who to trust? I don't want to sit on starting Valtrex if it's going

to help my daughter but also I don't want to cause her body any harm.

> > >

> > >

> > > any advise?

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > mom to

> > > Arianna 11 NT

> > > Savanna 3 NT

> > > Sieanna 2.5-dx global developmental delays-my feeling is PDD-NOS

> > > Jr-14 months-so far so good

> > >

> >

>

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I am treating a very suspicious skin spot and I started with the 2% tincture you

can get at Walgreens. It definitely was working on the spot. It was also

giving me a killer headache by the end of each day. So I ordered Lugol's

solution and it works the same (better?) on the skin spot, but without the

headache. I don't know why.

The tincture is Iodine, alcohol, deionized water, and sodium iodine. The

Lugol's is distilled water, potassium iodide, and iodine.

I have read that people can get headaches using iodine, possibly from the

displacement of bromide. I find it interesting that the Lugol's and Iodoral do

not give me a headache, but the tincture does.

I am not saying the Povidone would cause a headache. I have no idea. I guess I

am just saying that different formulations may have different results, so if you

try a transdermal type and seem to have less than favorable results you could

always try a different one.

It has been interesting to watch this skin lesion go through changes. I have

been slow at treating it because it is on my back, near the center, under my

brastrap. It is a bit difficult to reach by myself and my husband has been

traveling a lot lately. Consequently I am only treating once a day when I

should be treating it more often. I have been taking pictures of the process.

> >

> >

> > You should see the morning I am having. I actually managed to drink an

entire cup of coffee and sit on the computer for an hour with no interruptions

or fights. They woke up in awesome moods and have been playing nicely all

morning. If this is from the iodine, I wish I had started earlier! Can you

give me a link or the name of a transdermal product, and also tll me when I

should apply, where (on the body), and how often? Thanks! You have been

extremely helpful!

> >

> >

> > - Kirk-

> >

> >

>

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woohoo!

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 9:25:20 AMSubject: RE: Re: Valtex or Chelation..what would you do first?

You should see the morning I am having. I actually managed to drink an entire cup of coffee and sit on the computer for an hour with no interruptions or fights. They woke up in awesome moods and have been playing nicely all morning. If this is from the iodine, I wish I had started earlier! Can you give me a link or the name of a transdermal product, and also tll me when I should apply, where (on the body), and how often? Thanks! You have been extremely helpful!

- Kirk-

To: mb12 valtrex From: mossyforrest@...Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:06:04 +0000Subject: Re: Valtex or Chelation..what would you do first?

Hi , I would increase to 2 drops after a week or 2. Then either stay at 2 for a while or go to 3 a week or so after using 2, with 1 to 2 drops max ingested, the rest transdermal. I think both ingested and the slow steady absorbtion of transdermal is better. Whether a person feels die off depends on how much and what is in their body and how good their liver and kidneys are at removing the toxins/dead stuff. It takes very little iodine to make a difference. Think of it as 2 sponges. On one, you drop one drop a day and it takes a year before the sponge is completely soaked. The other sponge you drop 5 drops a day and it takes 6 months to completely soak. It's a matter of time.The more iodine you take the more the body soaks and gets to saturation so that every cell in the body has enough. The balance of using enough to soak the "sponge" (body) but not enough to cause misery or too fast detox is the goal.

Iodine is definetly a mood effector :-) Cheryl >> > Cheryl,> > Sorry for all of my questions but I started my three-year-old twins on lugols this week (today is day 3). I've been giving one drop in the morning. My question is, if I don't see any changes (altough I swear they are in better moods), should I just continue the one drop indefinitely, or should I gradually increase until I notice some sort of die off-type behaviors? I just want to know that I'm giving them enough to make a difference. I know I need to give it some time since it's only day three. I just want to know what my game plan should be from here. I thought maybe after this week, I would increase to two drops. Thanks for any advice.

> > > - Kirk-

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what strength is your lugols iodine . I ve got a bottle 7%,is this one too

strong to give kids

claire

> >

> >

> > Cheryl,

> >

> > Sorry for all of my questions but I started my three-year-old twins on

lugols

> >this week (today is day 3). I've been giving one drop in the morning. My

> >question is, if I don't see any changes (altough I swear they are in better

> >moods), should I just continue the one drop indefinitely, or should I

gradually

> >increase until I notice some sort of die off-type behaviors? I just want to

know

> >that I'm giving them enough to make a difference. I know I need to give it

some

> >time since it's only day three. I just want to know what my game plan should

be

> >from here. I thought maybe after this week, I would increase to two drops.

> >Thanks for any advice.

> >

> >

> >

> > - Kirk-

>

[Guest guest]

Mine is 2%.

- Kirk-

To: mb12 valtrex From: cccrous@...Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:41:23 +0000Subject: Re: Valtex or Chelation..what would you do first?

what strength is your lugols iodine . I ve got a bottle 7%,is this one too strong to give kidsclaire> >> > > > Cheryl,> > > > Sorry for all of my questions but I started my three-year-old twins on lugols > >this week (today is day 3). I've been giving one drop in the morning. My > >question is, if I don't see any changes (altough I swear they are in better > >moods), should I just continue the one drop indefinitely, or should I gradually > >increase until I notice some sort of die off-type behaviors? I just want to know > >that I'm giving them enough to make a difference. I know I need to give it some > >time since it's only day three. I just want to know what my game plan should be > >from here. I thought maybe after this week, I would increase to two drops. > >Thanks for any advice. > >> > > > > > - Kirk->

[Guest guest]

7% is really strong. It can hurt the skin if applied at that strength. You can

add distilled water to it for drinking or clean water for painting. If you put

the iodine in a larger bottle then add that same amount in the iodine bottle of

distilled water you would then have 3.5%, still a little strong for skin use but

not too bad. Are you sure its Lugols ? Did you get it in the US ? Curious cause

i didnt think 7% was available anymore.

Cheryl