Re: a PBS documentary on abusive fathers

[Guest guest]

google owns youtube now actually, I didn't even realize there was still google

video around, that is probably from when they were separate sites,

thanks for sharing that, I can imagine this happens alot, it reminds me of pre

1896 Freud where he believed his patients stories about being sexually abused

and his clients were the upper class, very well to do and socially connected

folks in society, and they were implicating their parents, who were paying him,

in some horrific behaviors including all kind of child abuse. that's when he

switched his story around and suddenly said his patients were relating fantasy

due to the electra complex and oedipus complex, which were his fantasy, but

became some of his most famous theories post 1897, so that he was able to keep

his career afloat and not get run out of town on a rail.

the stuff in the video probably happens a whole lot more than people think. it's

sickening.

> > >

> > > Here is a PBS documentary about the bewildering, unreal situation in which

the children of very high-functioning but abusive, mentally ill fathers *are not

believed* by the court when they finally disclose the emotional, physical and

sexual abuse they've endured.

> > >

> > > The documentary includes a lot of interviews with teenaged children who

have been forced to live with or spend time with fathers who continue to

sexually exploit or physically batter them after a divorce! Some kids are

permanently separated from the non-abusive parent and virtually isolated with

the parent who molests and beats them.

> > >

> > > Its just incomprehensible to me, but it apparently happens often enough

that a documentary could be made about it.

> > >

> > > Warning, this documentary is highly triggering. And it apparently caused

such an uproar when it was aired that it is no longer available at the PBS site

for viewing. Its on YouTube, though.

> > >

> > > The documentary is called " Breaking the Silence: Children's Stories "

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -Annie

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

google owns youtube now actually, I didn't even realize there was still google

video around, that is probably from when they were separate sites,

thanks for sharing that, I can imagine this happens alot, it reminds me of pre

1896 Freud where he believed his patients stories about being sexually abused

and his clients were the upper class, very well to do and socially connected

folks in society, and they were implicating their parents, who were paying him,

in some horrific behaviors including all kind of child abuse. that's when he

switched his story around and suddenly said his patients were relating fantasy

due to the electra complex and oedipus complex, which were his fantasy, but

became some of his most famous theories post 1897, so that he was able to keep

his career afloat and not get run out of town on a rail.

the stuff in the video probably happens a whole lot more than people think. it's

sickening.

> > >

> > > Here is a PBS documentary about the bewildering, unreal situation in which

the children of very high-functioning but abusive, mentally ill fathers *are not

believed* by the court when they finally disclose the emotional, physical and

sexual abuse they've endured.

> > >

> > > The documentary includes a lot of interviews with teenaged children who

have been forced to live with or spend time with fathers who continue to

sexually exploit or physically batter them after a divorce! Some kids are

permanently separated from the non-abusive parent and virtually isolated with

the parent who molests and beats them.

> > >

> > > Its just incomprehensible to me, but it apparently happens often enough

that a documentary could be made about it.

> > >

> > > Warning, this documentary is highly triggering. And it apparently caused

such an uproar when it was aired that it is no longer available at the PBS site

for viewing. Its on YouTube, though.

> > >

> > > The documentary is called " Breaking the Silence: Children's Stories "

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -Annie

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

google owns youtube now actually, I didn't even realize there was still google

video around, that is probably from when they were separate sites,

thanks for sharing that, I can imagine this happens alot, it reminds me of pre

1896 Freud where he believed his patients stories about being sexually abused

and his clients were the upper class, very well to do and socially connected

folks in society, and they were implicating their parents, who were paying him,

in some horrific behaviors including all kind of child abuse. that's when he

switched his story around and suddenly said his patients were relating fantasy

due to the electra complex and oedipus complex, which were his fantasy, but

became some of his most famous theories post 1897, so that he was able to keep

his career afloat and not get run out of town on a rail.

the stuff in the video probably happens a whole lot more than people think. it's

sickening.

> > >

> > > Here is a PBS documentary about the bewildering, unreal situation in which

the children of very high-functioning but abusive, mentally ill fathers *are not

believed* by the court when they finally disclose the emotional, physical and

sexual abuse they've endured.

> > >

> > > The documentary includes a lot of interviews with teenaged children who

have been forced to live with or spend time with fathers who continue to

sexually exploit or physically batter them after a divorce! Some kids are

permanently separated from the non-abusive parent and virtually isolated with

the parent who molests and beats them.

> > >

> > > Its just incomprehensible to me, but it apparently happens often enough

that a documentary could be made about it.

> > >

> > > Warning, this documentary is highly triggering. And it apparently caused

such an uproar when it was aired that it is no longer available at the PBS site

for viewing. Its on YouTube, though.

> > >

> > > The documentary is called " Breaking the Silence: Children's Stories "

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -Annie

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I think your analogy is very apt.

I myself remember being quite surprised when I first read about that little

nugget of information about the history of psychiatry!

I was amazed to learn that Freud's original theory was that neurosis and

hysteria and other psychological injuries in his patients were often being

caused by the patient repressing his or her childhood memories of sexual and

physical and emotional abuse *by their own parents*! The guy was brilliant: he

hit the ball out of the park on the first swing!

But as you pointed out the truth was just too shocking and dangerous for the

wealthy, cultured n society he lived in and who supported his work.

Outing his own patrons for shocking abuse of their children would indeed have

gotten him professionally " lynched " so to speak.

So instead of bravely sticking with the truth he was uncovering, he switched his

theory to blame the child(ren) for having sexual fantasies about their parents

(ie, the Oedipus and Electra complexes.) Truly that was a mind-blowing

revelation about Freud's ethics, for me.

-Annie

> > > >

> > > > Here is a PBS documentary about the bewildering, unreal situation in

which the children of very high-functioning but abusive, mentally ill fathers

*are not believed* by the court when they finally disclose the emotional,

physical and sexual abuse they've endured.

> > > >

> > > > The documentary includes a lot of interviews with teenaged children who

have been forced to live with or spend time with fathers who continue to

sexually exploit or physically batter them after a divorce! Some kids are

permanently separated from the non-abusive parent and virtually isolated with

the parent who molests and beats them.

> > > >

> > > > Its just incomprehensible to me, but it apparently happens often enough

that a documentary could be made about it.

> > > >

> > > > Warning, this documentary is highly triggering. And it apparently

caused such an uproar when it was aired that it is no longer available at the

PBS site for viewing. Its on YouTube, though.

> > > >

> > > > The documentary is called " Breaking the Silence: Children's Stories "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -Annie

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I think your analogy is very apt.

I myself remember being quite surprised when I first read about that little

nugget of information about the history of psychiatry!

I was amazed to learn that Freud's original theory was that neurosis and

hysteria and other psychological injuries in his patients were often being

caused by the patient repressing his or her childhood memories of sexual and

physical and emotional abuse *by their own parents*! The guy was brilliant: he

hit the ball out of the park on the first swing!

But as you pointed out the truth was just too shocking and dangerous for the

wealthy, cultured n society he lived in and who supported his work.

Outing his own patrons for shocking abuse of their children would indeed have

gotten him professionally " lynched " so to speak.

So instead of bravely sticking with the truth he was uncovering, he switched his

theory to blame the child(ren) for having sexual fantasies about their parents

(ie, the Oedipus and Electra complexes.) Truly that was a mind-blowing

revelation about Freud's ethics, for me.

-Annie

> > > >

> > > > Here is a PBS documentary about the bewildering, unreal situation in

which the children of very high-functioning but abusive, mentally ill fathers

*are not believed* by the court when they finally disclose the emotional,

physical and sexual abuse they've endured.

> > > >

> > > > The documentary includes a lot of interviews with teenaged children who

have been forced to live with or spend time with fathers who continue to

sexually exploit or physically batter them after a divorce! Some kids are

permanently separated from the non-abusive parent and virtually isolated with

the parent who molests and beats them.

> > > >

> > > > Its just incomprehensible to me, but it apparently happens often enough

that a documentary could be made about it.

> > > >

> > > > Warning, this documentary is highly triggering. And it apparently

caused such an uproar when it was aired that it is no longer available at the

PBS site for viewing. Its on YouTube, though.

> > > >

> > > > The documentary is called " Breaking the Silence: Children's Stories "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -Annie

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I think your analogy is very apt.

I myself remember being quite surprised when I first read about that little

nugget of information about the history of psychiatry!

I was amazed to learn that Freud's original theory was that neurosis and

hysteria and other psychological injuries in his patients were often being

caused by the patient repressing his or her childhood memories of sexual and

physical and emotional abuse *by their own parents*! The guy was brilliant: he

hit the ball out of the park on the first swing!

But as you pointed out the truth was just too shocking and dangerous for the

wealthy, cultured n society he lived in and who supported his work.

Outing his own patrons for shocking abuse of their children would indeed have

gotten him professionally " lynched " so to speak.

So instead of bravely sticking with the truth he was uncovering, he switched his

theory to blame the child(ren) for having sexual fantasies about their parents

(ie, the Oedipus and Electra complexes.) Truly that was a mind-blowing

revelation about Freud's ethics, for me.

-Annie

> > > >

> > > > Here is a PBS documentary about the bewildering, unreal situation in

which the children of very high-functioning but abusive, mentally ill fathers

*are not believed* by the court when they finally disclose the emotional,

physical and sexual abuse they've endured.

> > > >

> > > > The documentary includes a lot of interviews with teenaged children who

have been forced to live with or spend time with fathers who continue to

sexually exploit or physically batter them after a divorce! Some kids are

permanently separated from the non-abusive parent and virtually isolated with

the parent who molests and beats them.

> > > >

> > > > Its just incomprehensible to me, but it apparently happens often enough

that a documentary could be made about it.

> > > >

> > > > Warning, this documentary is highly triggering. And it apparently

caused such an uproar when it was aired that it is no longer available at the

PBS site for viewing. Its on YouTube, though.

> > > >

> > > > The documentary is called " Breaking the Silence: Children's Stories "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -Annie

> > > >

> > >

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