Re: Good doctor VS. Bad Doctor experience.

[Guest guest]

> >

> > > Could you explain more about why you think Dr.

> > Batzdorf should be

> > on a " bad doctor " list? >>

I don't know who wrote the above comment and I do NOT want to know, but Dr.

Batzdorf did a correction on me and I was very close to committing suicide

because of the pain I was in. After my surgery my sleep apnea was gone over

night!!!! along with the peripheral neuropathy along with a WHOLE list of

other things.

Foxy

[Guest guest]

Walt,

I disagree...I feel a patients expectations of his doctor dictate the

experience. One patient may assume a parent/child relationship with his

doctor (doctor being parent and patient being child) while another enters

the relationship from the stand of an educated consumer and want a more

active role in his or her care.

Unfortunately, we have doctors as well as patients that fall into each of

these groups.

You see if I want to be active in my medical decisions and use my doctor for

advice then I will not have a good expereince with a doctor that assumes a

parental role.

The same goes the other way, if I want a doctor to tell me what to do and my

doctor advises me of my choices then I feel as though he has not served me.

I think it is unfortunate that some of us have bad experiences. However, I

have to keep faith that the doctors I have had a terrible time with may help

someone else. In fact this has been the case. I am new to the group and a

few of those from Arizona that responded to my posts suggested a few Doc's

here in my area. Unfortunately, three of the doc's reccommended I had

already seen and not aggreed with. So who am I to say they are " Bad

Doctors " .

Please do not take this wrong if two people want to share gripes privately

then I say " do so " ...but imagine what liability WACMA would face if we were

to advertise " Bad Doctors "

Denee in AZ

---- Original Message -----

To: " chiariowner " ; <chiari >

Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 8:40 AM

Subject: Re: Good doctor VS. Bad Doctor experience.

> Once again Chip I totally disagree...what help is

> withholding information? I say do the list and those

> of us that want to read it okay and those that don't

> don't have to read it. I really don't get where sugar

> coating anything helps. I think you need to know what

> others have went through and I have found this group

> as a whole afraid to address issues head on....I

> really feel that your suggestion is pure censorship

> and is not helpful to the group.

> ---

>

>

> chiariowner wrote:

> >

> > > Could you explain more about why you think Dr.

> > Batzdorf should be

> > on a " bad doctor " list? >>

> >

> > Again...

> > The group is not a place to discuss or debate this.

> > Dr Batzdorf as

> > well as every other well known surgeon has performed

> > many very

> > successful surgeries. They didn't achieve the status

> > they have by

> > luck. They've all earned it.

> >

> > They *all* have some people who will complain about

> > them or their

> > staff also... that's just how it goes. No one can

> > please everyone

> > all of the time, nor should they try to. They see a

> > LOT of patients.

> >

> > Please use private mail for making complaints or

> > allegations. It

> > doesn't benefit the group to do so in public.

> >

> > Let's stay on topic and help as many people as we

> > can.

> >

> > Chip

> > www.wacma.com

> > (Former Tuba player for Led Zepplin)

> >

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[Guest guest]

Hi Waltt,

I really think that this is something that can be handled on a " private

conversation " basis.

I someone has a question about a particular doctor, they generally will

write the group and ask about them. That's when those with experience,

either good or bad, can e-mail privately.

I agree that people should get both positive and negative info on the

doctors, but just not on a public forum as a mud slinging contest.

I have had some really bad experiences with doctors, and if I see someone

mention that particular name, you can bet that I am cuing them in on what

MY experience was. That same doctor has also helped many, many people, so

I'm sure they as well respond with their experience ---- but that, too,

should be done privately.

I think that information about our conditions and things that help are much

more in line of what people NEED. It's not sugar coating or censoring when

some conversations are kept private.

Hope you can understand what I'm trying to say --- my words aren't coming

out like I want them too.

Rainbows to ya,

Grammy

At 08:40 AM 4/17/2002 -0700, Waltt Vest wrote:

>Once again Chip I totally disagree...what help is

>withholding information? I say do the list and those

>of us that want to read it okay and those that don't

>don't have to read it. I really don't get where sugar

>coating anything helps. I think you need to know what

>others have went through and I have found this group

>as a whole afraid to address issues head on....I

>really feel that your suggestion is pure censorship

>and is not helpful to the group.

>---

>

>

> chiariowner wrote:

> >

> > > Could you explain more about why you think Dr.

> > Batzdorf should be

> > on a " bad doctor " list? >>

> >

> > Again...

> > The group is not a place to discuss or debate this.

> > Dr Batzdorf as

> > well as every other well known surgeon has performed

> > many very

> > successful surgeries. They didn't achieve the status

> > they have by

> > luck. They've all earned it.

> >

> > They *all* have some people who will complain about

> > them or their

> > staff also... that's just how it goes. No one can

> > please everyone

> > all of the time, nor should they try to. They see a

> > LOT of patients.

> >

> > Please use private mail for making complaints or

> > allegations. It

> > doesn't benefit the group to do so in public.

> >

> > Let's stay on topic and help as many people as we

> > can.

> >

> > Chip

> > www.wacma.com

> > (Former Tuba player for Led Zepplin)

> >

> >

> > Help section: http://www.yahoogroups.com/help/

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> > NOTE: NCC refers to posts with No Chiari Content

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> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I would like to add that there are always two sides to every story. What you

hear is only one side, therefore you certainly can't make a determination

based on one person's statement of " facts. "

Marsha

Re: Good doctor VS. Bad Doctor

experience.

Once again Chip I totally disagree...what help is

withholding information? I say do the list and those

of us that want to read it okay and those that don't

don't have to read it. I really don't get where sugar

coating anything helps. I think you need to know what

others have went through and I have found this group

as a whole afraid to address issues head on....I

really feel that your suggestion is pure censorship

and is not helpful to the group.

---

chiariowner wrote:

>

> > Could you explain more about why you think Dr.

> Batzdorf should be

> on a " bad doctor " list? >>

>

> Again...

> The group is not a place to discuss or debate this.

> Dr Batzdorf as

> well as every other well known surgeon has performed

> many very

> successful surgeries. They didn't achieve the status

> they have by

> luck. They've all earned it.

>

> They *all* have some people who will complain about

> them or their

> staff also... that's just how it goes. No one can

> please everyone

> all of the time, nor should they try to. They see a

> LOT of patients.

>

> Please use private mail for making complaints or

> allegations. It

> doesn't benefit the group to do so in public.

>

> Let's stay on topic and help as many people as we

> can.

>

> Chip

> www.wacma.com

> (Former Tuba player for Led Zepplin)

>

>

> Help section: http://www.yahoogroups.com/help/

>

> NOTE: NCC refers to posts with No Chiari Content

>

> To Unsubscribe Yourself:

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>

>

> WACMA Home: Http://www.wacma.com

>

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> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chiari/

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This has already been decided folks.

We're not going there.

And.. If you have a complaint, comment, question or suggestion about the

management of the group or the group guidelines, please address them

privately to the group managers listed below. The group forum is not a place

to discuss these items.

Chip Vierow.... chip@...

Haydee .... bleaueyes7@...

Kathleen Grigg.... grigg@...

[Guest guest]

Chip has asked us not to post the names of people we consider " bad " doctors.

I complain about my surgeon all the time but never by name. It's enough for

me that Chip has asked us not to start a blacklist. For another, I know of

people that my surgeon has saved from severe traumas.

I would never recommend him to a fellow Chiarian but would be very happy to

look up from a car accident and see him preparing to operate. While Walt is

right that we're better off not withholding information, it's best not to

make public accusations against people. Even if they did deserve it, things

could go very badly for the accuser.

The doctors on the " good doctor " list seem to be ones who have demonstrated

experience and technical skill. Perhaps Walt or whoever made the complaint

would be better off emailing Chip or Kathleen privately. They could keep

note of it and maybe a doctor might drop off the list. In any case, let's

just try to keep as far away from libel and slander as we can.

Read my daily " Blahthings " at:

www.100megsfree4.com/blahthings/

[Guest guest]

The excerpt was from a message I made in rebuttal to a negative comment

about Dr. B. He was also my surgeon in 2000 and I think he's awesome. It's

quite unfair that this one little segment of my comments were taken out of

context.

Now, as Chip said, can we let this rest or go to private messages.

thanks.

Connie

Re: Good doctor VS. Bad Doctor experience.

> >

> > > Could you explain more about why you think Dr.

> > Batzdorf should be

> > on a " bad doctor " list? >>

I don't know who wrote the above comment and I do NOT want to know, but Dr.

Batzdorf did a correction on me and I was very close to committing suicide

because of the pain I was in. After my surgery my sleep apnea was gone over

night!!!! along with the peripheral neuropathy along with a WHOLE list of

other things.

Foxy

[Guest guest]

hey, I agree with you as far as docs go, unfortunately, Docs are people too, and

suffer from bad

days and " off " days like every other human on the planet.

as long as I remember this, I am ok, it helps to keep me from putting my doc on

a pedistal (I know

that is spelt way wrong,) but the grey matter aint working worth a flip right

now. If I was a fox

or coyote stuck in a trap, I would have been chewing my head off (instead of

writing and moaning

and groaning) due to the headache, and pain.

with my hubby being an ICU nurse, I have been able to hear of how human Docs

are. There is so much

learning that has to go on for anyone in the medical field regarding all the

advancements medicine

is making, I think you all get my point-- just remember, Docs are human too, and

none are exempt

from making mistakes or human judgements regarding treatments. Alot of times

when the doc leaves

the examination room after seeing you, they go straight to the computer or their

text books or to

discuss this case with their coworkers, each has different experiences, and what

medically works

for you may not work for the next person.

on that note,

have a better than average day

Le

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have a better than average day,

Le King

p.s.

don't worry about the world ending today, its already tomorrow in Australia!

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