Re: a really good non-dieting obesity resource...

[Guest guest]

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Thank you for posting this resource. This clearly describes my experience. When

I ingest ingredients which " hijack " my brain, all the emotional/therapeutic work

in the world does not help with the effect those ingredients have on my brain

chemistry. The emotional/therapeutic helps me before, as so I dont ingest those

ingredients which cause me harm. My take on this is like someone who has

diabetes, there is the reality that certain foods/quanities is detrimental to

the diabetic's health. It is not that there is a judgement on the food, it is a

fact of life. Same goes for me and my brain chemistry when I eat certain

ingredients, particularly high fructose corn syrup. My brain lights up, and goes

in to hyper mode to get more.

When my body does not eat these things, then intuitive eating comes naturally,

and my emotions are a lot clearer, joy and pain. When I do eat too much of

non-harming food, it is a lot easier to assess, and see what is going on with my

internal emotional world.

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> Hi, all,

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> I know this might not apply to all of you, but I figure it will for some. I

ran across Dr. Sara Stein's blog and book. She is formerly morbidly obese

herself and has lost 90 lbs slowly through changing things over time. She is

also a psychiatrist for bariatric patients.

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> She has some interesting/controversial views on how much intuitive eating can

help obese folks (who have myriad other issues), but she takes a non-diet

approach. Anyhow, if the mods allow, I wanted to post this as it lines up with a

lot of what I'm learning about myself (vitamin D deficient, B deficient,

emotional eater, sensitive to certain foods) as I get into better balance.

Interestingly, I'm finally starting to lose some weight without a big fight

after I've worked on some of these nutritional deficiencies for the past few

months, among other things. I cannot recommend having a blood work panel done

enough. It was the start to my better results...

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> http://obesefromtheheart.com/the-blog/

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> Best,

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[Guest guest]

wrote:

> http://obesefromtheheart.com/the-blog/

This part kind of describes my frustration quite well:

" Now…does that sound like ' " only eat when you're hungry in a quiet room

focused on food " is really going to make a difference?? Treating morbid

obesity with emotional eating techniques is the same as treating

cirrhosis of the liver with 12-step programs. The proverbial peeing in

the ocean. "

Also a nice quote:

" There is hope and healing from obesity. One medical condition at a

time. Give your emotional soul a rest. "

Best wishes

styxia

[Guest guest]

I agree with you, Josie.

I like what this woman from obese from the heart says, at least from

her blog, about obesity. However, there is no simple solution and it

does surprise me that she would critique Geneen Roth.

My " throwing in the towel " was throwing out my scales last month.

That's why I was so excited about it. I'm in this for the long

haul. Eventually, will I lose weight? Maybe. I have PCOS. Maybe

not! However, I'm going to slowly, gently, love myself. Exercise

more because I like being strong and healthy. Learn to eat like a

sane person, which is something I never learned in childhood with a

bulimic chronically dieting mother. Learning to eat what I want...to

develop a love affair with QUALITY foods, and on and on. And yes,

this probably, likely, will turn into very slow gentle weight loss.

But it's about a WHOLE NEW WAY. And I LOVE that. I'm pretty

dogmatic about working WITH, instead of AGAINST, myself at this time.

And Geneen Roth is helpful. So is the IE book. ANYTHING that helps

us develop more self-love.

I've found that occasionally in the past couple weeks I've over-

eaten, eaten to the point of being stuffed, or had junkie days. And

i " m very pleasantly surprised when I don't beat myself up about it.

Because why would I be mean to myself? Silly. It's amazing...I'm

relieved. But, also aware that the self-attack could pop up at any

time!

Hope I'm coherent...teaching at a summer camp right now and brain is

toast...will respond to the book comments soon!

Cheers,

[Guest guest]

josiesjunkmail wrote:

> There's a chapter entitled something along the

> lines of " It's Not About the Weight, But It's Not Not About the Weight, "

I've read the book and I have to say that I'm quite disappointed about

this chapter. It's only a few lines that cover the issue of morbid

obesity and your quote pretty much said it all IIRC.

I've read several Roth books and IIRC I liked them all but I have to say

(again) that I didn't like her new book that much. It mostly bored me.

Regards

s.

[Guest guest]

I would agree that she doesn't say much about morbid obesity, but I think the

thing she makes clear over and over again are that there are many things that

would help all of us, morbidly obese or not, get healthier and reach our goals,

not the least of which is eating more nutritiously and moving more. And she

fully acknowledges that we may well need the help of a nutritionist, doctor, or

other professional to do those things. I don't think it was her goal to address

each of those things in detail because they're going to be very different for

every person. Part of learning to listen to your body and trust yourself and

your instincts is figuring out the things that you need for yourself and not

having it be dictated to you like some magical formula by someone who claims to

have the " one true answer " to weight loss.

I think that whether you like the book or find it interesting is a different

matter all together. And if you don't care for it, that's fine. There's

nothing wrong with that.

What I have a problem with is that that blogger, and others like her, make it

sound like Geneen's advice is *just* about dealing with feelings and hunger.

And while that's a substantial portion of her message, it includes much more.

By belittling something that it doesn't appear they've even read, they're

misrepresenting Geneen's message out of ignorance, at best, or purposely

distorting it for their own benefit, at worst. Either way, they're doing a

disservice to their readers and may turn someone away from the book who would

find it *one* of many useful tools in their arsenal for getting healthier, and

that's the real shame.

Josie

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> > There's a chapter entitled something along the

> > lines of " It's Not About the Weight, But It's Not Not About the Weight, "

>

> I've read the book and I have to say that I'm quite disappointed about

> this chapter. It's only a few lines that cover the issue of morbid

> obesity and your quote pretty much said it all IIRC.

>

> I've read several Roth books and IIRC I liked them all but I have to say

> (again) that I didn't like her new book that much. It mostly bored me.

>

> Regards

> s.

>