Re: Yeast Beast

February 8, 2011

the complete has strep in it and just using that can send a spiral backwards for a PANDAS kid

From: laurargoddin

Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 11:39 PM

Subject: Re: Yeast Beast

Just a thought - but you have SO many anti-candida things, you might have gone a little overboard. With Syntol, you should only use a probiotic that doesn't compete with it. - I used Culturelle with it. I also used Candex. Also, Diflucan is also a yeast killer - a strong one --with Enhansa?Coconut Kefir also has probiotics in it...good ones, but still - you are also using TheraBiotic Complete too...Oxypowder might be killing the probiotics and anything good you are putting in there (because it creates an oxygen rich environment.) and the charcoal is mopping up all sorts of stuff, good and bad...If it were me...I would write down what he is eating, when you are giving him his supplements (and which ones), and what is your take on his overall behavior, etc. -- Because for us, Magnesium for Jimmy given at night, disrupted his sleep. We give mag in the morning, and calcium at dinner. I also noticed when I didn't give him both cal and mag, he wets the bed.-- Because my brother Rob has stims, but his yeast is under control, so I tend to believe it's from something else (we are getting rid of the metals in his mouth) - when I made Rob low ox, after a period of 'dumping' (sandy, cloudy pee and rashes)...his stimming decreased significantly - his eyes got A LOT better. (He can watch TV normally now, he used to watch it out of the corner of his eye.)I think you might have a lot of redundancy going on, and a lot of killing and then trying to repopulate with good microbes only to kill them again... Did your DAN come up with this strategy? laura >> I need to see if anyone has any other recommendations, I am really at a lost. We are on an extremely low sugar diet (very watery juice so he can choke down his enhansa) GSE, Diflucan, Valtrex, brain child nutritional herbs rotated, charcoal to mop up die off, oxypowder- for the constipation from charcoal, Enhansa, no phenol, digestive enzymes, probiotics- Klaire's complete, Syntol, Interface, Kirkman yeast aid, Bethanechol, coconut oil 1 tsp, cocokefir- just started, Aqua Forte- homepathic anticandida product, etc... It all started with the GSE, more than a drop caused visual stimming (he stares at his hands really close.) The die off was so strong, I gave 2 charcoal and oxypowder but when I gave additional GSE throughout the day he was stimming at school. So now I do just 1 drop of GSE in the afternoon and charcoal an hour later for die off. Also thought maybe the coconut oil is a bit to strong? Had a tsp with breakfast, and added one with lunch? Therapist said he was off today, and we were sick all weekend with the flu. Also started the Coconut Kefir, using a product cocokefir and I have been on a tsp for a week, added another b/c we are suppose to get up to a cup daily eventually. My question is this, I was told his stimming was from the yeast die off, and to use charcoal. It has worked, but I can not always give charcoal b/c I just gave something I want him to absorb and/or he is at school, or we are out and about and I do not have charcoal. He stims when he is bored too, his stimming is not nearly as strong as last year when I did not have a clue what I was really doing. I am amazed how hard I am struggling with all of this. Like learning a new language for me, everytime I think I get what is going on with him, something different happens. Today he was stimming by looking out of the corner of his eye turning his head sideways walking back forth from the kitchen counter. What else could I be doing for yeast? By the way, the more yeast I kill the better his eventual gains. So even though I kill the yeast, and he then stims more, after charcoal, or even GabbaMag cream he is more improved then earlier. So I have to kill the yeast, which cause him to stim more, almost compulsively, yet the gains are greater. He will eventually have vision therapy when he turns 5 this summer. He is in prism lenses which help him not to stim as much. He has issues with his ears and loud sounds. So he is a really yeasty kid, unable to swallow pills- will chew them though. Vitamin A did not help us until we got up to 10,000 units but we had massive nose bleeds, like I could have taken him to the ER. We do CLO and DHA. Anyway, any help would be great. We just finished Auditory integration therapy for 16 weeks, and NAET for 12 weeks. > My ?'s are > 1) someone mentioned Cold therapy for yeast, is anyone doing it?> > 2) How about Colostrum, I heard that helps yeast?> > 3) Anyone have problems with Coconut kefir and stimming?> > 4) Are there any other natural antifungals I should try?> > Thank you all, sorry it so long...>

February 9, 2011

Biting and self injury/aggression can also be from PANDAS (strep). You should familarize yourself with the PANDAS symptoms cause t can get worse w/ each exposure if not treated. www.pandasnetwork.org

> I need to see if anyone has any other recommendations, I am really at a lost. We are on an extremely low sugar diet (very watery juice so he can choke down his enhansa) GSE, Diflucan, Valtrex, brain child nutritional herbs rotated, charcoal to mop up die off, oxypowder- for the constipation from charcoal, Enhansa, no phenol, digestive enzymes, probiotics- Klaire's complete, Syntol, Interface, Kirkman yeast aid, Bethanechol, coconut oil 1 tsp, cocokefir- just started, Aqua Forte- homepathic anticandida product, etc... It all started with the GSE, more than a drop caused visual stimming (he stares at his hands really close.) The die off was so strong, I gave 2 charcoal and oxypowder but when I gave additional GSE throughout the day he was stimming at school. So now I do just 1 drop of GSE in the afternoon and charcoal an hour later for die off. Also thought maybe the

coconut oil is a bit to strong? Had a tsp with breakfast, and added one with lunch? Therapist said he was off today, and we were sick all weekend with the flu. Also started the Coconut Kefir, using a product cocokefir and I have been on a tsp for a week, added another b/c we are suppose to get up to a cup daily eventually. My question is this, I was told his stimming was from the yeast die off, and to use charcoal. It has worked, but I can not always give charcoal b/c I just gave something I want him to absorb and/or he is at school, or we are out and about and I do not have charcoal. He stims when he is bored too, his stimming is not nearly as strong as last year when I did not have a clue what I was really doing. I am amazed how hard I am struggling with all of this. Like learning a new language for me, everytime I think I get what is going on with him, something different happens. Today he was stimming by looking out of the corner of his eye turning

his head sideways walking back forth from the kitchen counter. What else could I be doing for yeast? By the way, the more yeast I kill the better his eventual gains. So even though I kill the yeast, and he then stims more, after charcoal, or even GabbaMag cream he is more improved then earlier. So I have to kill the yeast, which cause him to stim more, almost compulsively, yet the gains are greater. He will eventually have vision therapy when he turns 5 this summer. He is in prism lenses which help him not to stim as much. He has issues with his ears and loud sounds. So he is a really yeasty kid, unable to swallow pills- will chew them though. Vitamin A did not help us until we got up to 10,000 units but we had massive nose bleeds, like I could have taken him to the ER. We do CLO and DHA. Anyway, any help would be great. We just finished Auditory integration therapy for 16 weeks, and NAET for 12 weeks. > My ?'s are > 1) someone mentioned

Cold therapy for yeast, is anyone doing it?> > 2) How about Colostrum, I heard that helps yeast?> > 3) Anyone have problems with Coconut kefir and stimming?> > 4) Are there any other natural antifungals I should try?> > Thank you all, sorry it so long...>

February 9, 2011

I agree I am not sure stimming if from yeast....maybe a way for them to deal

with the way the yeast is making them feel. And you do have a lot of yeast

fighters....may really be feeling it!

--

Kasey Dettinger

---- laurargoddin wrote:

> Just a thought - but you have SO many anti-candida things, you might have gone

a little overboard.

>

> With Syntol, you should only use a probiotic that doesn't compete with it. - I

used Culturelle with it. I also used Candex.

>

> Also, Diflucan is also a yeast killer - a strong one --with Enhansa?

>

> Coconut Kefir also has probiotics in it...good ones, but still - you are also

using TheraBiotic Complete too...

>

> Oxypowder might be killing the probiotics and anything good you are putting in

there (because it creates an oxygen rich environment.)

>

> and the charcoal is mopping up all sorts of stuff, good and bad...

>

> If it were me...I would write down what he is eating, when you are giving him

his supplements (and which ones), and what is your take on his overall behavior,

etc. -- Because for us, Magnesium for Jimmy given at night, disrupted his

sleep. We give mag in the morning, and calcium at dinner. I also noticed when

I didn't give him both cal and mag, he wets the bed.

>

> -- Because my brother Rob has stims, but his yeast is under control, so I tend

to believe it's from something else (we are getting rid of the metals in his

mouth) - when I made Rob low ox, after a period of 'dumping' (sandy, cloudy pee

and rashes)...his stimming decreased significantly - his eyes got A LOT better.

(He can watch TV normally now, he used to watch it out of the corner of his

eye.)

>

> I think you might have a lot of redundancy going on, and a lot of killing and

then trying to repopulate with good microbes only to kill them again...

>

> Did your DAN come up with this strategy?

>

> laura

>

> >

> > I need to see if anyone has any other recommendations, I am really at a

lost. We are on an extremely low sugar diet (very watery juice so he can choke

down his enhansa) GSE, Diflucan, Valtrex, brain child nutritional herbs

rotated, charcoal to mop up die off, oxypowder- for the constipation from

charcoal, Enhansa, no phenol, digestive enzymes, probiotics- Klaire's complete,

Syntol, Interface, Kirkman yeast aid, Bethanechol, coconut oil 1 tsp, cocokefir-

just started, Aqua Forte- homepathic anticandida product, etc... It all started

with the GSE, more than a drop caused visual stimming (he stares at his hands

really close.) The die off was so strong, I gave 2 charcoal and oxypowder but

when I gave additional GSE throughout the day he was stimming at school. So now

I do just 1 drop of GSE in the afternoon and charcoal an hour later for die off.

Also thought maybe the coconut oil is a bit to strong? Had a tsp with

breakfast, and added one with lunch? Therapist said he was off today, and we

were sick all weekend with the flu. Also started the Coconut Kefir, using a

product cocokefir and I have been on a tsp for a week, added another b/c we are

suppose to get up to a cup daily eventually. My question is this, I was told

his stimming was from the yeast die off, and to use charcoal. It has worked,

but I can not always give charcoal b/c I just gave something I want him to

absorb and/or he is at school, or we are out and about and I do not have

charcoal. He stims when he is bored too, his stimming is not nearly as strong

as last year when I did not have a clue what I was really doing. I am amazed

how hard I am struggling with all of this. Like learning a new language for me,

everytime I think I get what is going on with him, something different happens.

Today he was stimming by looking out of the corner of his eye turning his head

sideways walking back forth from the kitchen counter. What else could I be

doing for yeast? By the way, the more yeast I kill the better his eventual

gains. So even though I kill the yeast, and he then stims more, after charcoal,

or even GabbaMag cream he is more improved then earlier. So I have to kill the

yeast, which cause him to stim more, almost compulsively, yet the gains are

greater. He will eventually have vision therapy when he turns 5 this summer.

He is in prism lenses which help him not to stim as much. He has issues with

his ears and loud sounds. So he is a really yeasty kid, unable to swallow

pills- will chew them though. Vitamin A did not help us until we got up to

10,000 units but we had massive nose bleeds, like I could have taken him to the

ER. We do CLO and DHA. Anyway, any help would be great. We just finished

Auditory integration therapy for 16 weeks, and NAET for 12 weeks.

> > My ?'s are

> > 1) someone mentioned Cold therapy for yeast, is anyone doing it?

> >

> > 2) How about Colostrum, I heard that helps yeast?

> >

> > 3) Anyone have problems with Coconut kefir and stimming?

> >

> > 4) Are there any other natural antifungals I should try?

> >

> > Thank you all, sorry it so long...

> >

>

February 9, 2011

Look Cheryl....you have me touting iodine already

--

Kasey Dettinger

---- Cheryl wrote:

> Made him sick cause his gut is full of bugs and/or Some need to take it with

food. I am guessing if he is a yeasty kid, the first dose caused lots of dieoff.

Its fairly swift.

>

> You wont need GSE or other things for yeast if you use iodine. The iodine

kills and helps remove the bad bacteria, but leaves the good bacteria. Unlike

GSE which cant tell the difference.

>

> There was a very good explanation on the Iodine board not too long ago how and

why Iodine does tell the difference.

>

> Iodine has a neutral charge, Iodide a negative charge and the good bacteria

have a negative charge. The bad bacteria (and all forgeign substances) have a

positive charge. The bad bacteria are attracted to the iodine because of its

neutrality and the the iodine kills it.

>

> Cheryl

>

> >

> > That is so funny! I had been giving him a drop of lugols in purified water.

He always says it smells like a pool. But then he started c/o his stomach

hurting and would have really explosive loose stools right after. One time I

gave him 2 drops and it made him sick- So I stopped giving it orally, and have

been just painting a square on his arm. Maybe I should bring it back, something

to consider!

> > Thanks!

>

February 9, 2011

Kasey I guess that means you are now an official member of an elite club that

will effect real change to the health of mankind and you didnt need billion$ to

do it.

Cheryl

>

> Look Cheryl....you have me touting iodine already

> --

> Kasey Dettinger

February 9, 2011

Kasey,keep us posted. I've got some on the way....-TammyTo: mb12 valtrex Cc: jujugirl1971 Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 9:56:40 PMSubject: Re: Yeast Beast

We just had a major regression with our son. I thought it was the valtrex....but I think it was parasites. He hadn't had visual stims for years.....and they came back with a vengeance.....biting scratching, self injurious behaviors. we started a round of flagyl on friday and he seems to be turning around. In all of my research I have come across Lugol's solution. Another mom said in all the biomed that she had done with her son.....this was the one thing that turned him around. It's 94% water, 2% iodine and 4% potassium iodide. It kills yeast, parasites and bacteria, along with helping many other symptoms. I just gave him his first dose this AM.....and for the first time in 3 weeks he has had a great report from school. Perhaps a coincidence.....but only time will tell.

--

Kasey Dettinger

---- jujugirl1971 wrote:

> I need to see if anyone has any other recommendations, I am really at a lost. We are on an extremely low sugar diet (very watery juice so he can choke down his enhansa) GSE, Diflucan, Valtrex, brain child nutritional herbs rotated, charcoal to mop up die off, oxypowder- for the constipation from charcoal, Enhansa, no phenol, digestive enzymes, probiotics- Klaire's complete, Syntol, Interface, Kirkman yeast aid, Bethanechol, coconut oil 1 tsp, cocokefir- just started, Aqua Forte- homepathic anticandida product, etc... It all started with the GSE, more than a drop caused visual stimming (he stares at his hands really close.) The die off was so strong, I gave 2 charcoal and oxypowder but when I gave additional GSE throughout the day he was stimming at school. So now I do just 1 drop of GSE in the afternoon and charcoal an hour later for die off. Also thought maybe the coconut oil is a bit to strong? Had a tsp with breakfast, and added one with

lunch? Therapist said he was off today, and we were sick all weekend with the flu. Also started the Coconut Kefir, using a product cocokefir and I have been on a tsp for a week, added another b/c we are suppose to get up to a cup daily eventually. My question is this, I was told his stimming was from the yeast die off, and to use charcoal. It has worked, but I can not always give charcoal b/c I just gave something I want him to absorb and/or he is at school, or we are out and about and I do not have charcoal. He stims when he is bored too, his stimming is not nearly as strong as last year when I did not have a clue what I was really doing. I am amazed how hard I am struggling with all of this. Like learning a new language for me, everytime I think I get what is going on with him, something different happens. Today he was stimming by looking out of the corner of his eye turning his head sideways walking back forth from the kitchen counter. What

else could I be doing for yeast? By the way, the more yeast I kill the better his eventual gains. So even though I kill the yeast, and he then stims more, after charcoal, or even GabbaMag cream he is more improved then earlier. So I have to kill the yeast, which cause him to stim more, almost compulsively, yet the gains are greater. He will eventually have vision therapy when he turns 5 this summer. He is in prism lenses which help him not to stim as much. He has issues with his ears and loud sounds. So he is a really yeasty kid, unable to swallow pills- will chew them though. Vitamin A did not help us until we got up to 10,000 units but we had massive nose bleeds, like I could have taken him to the ER. We do CLO and DHA. Anyway, any help would be great. We just finished Auditory integration therapy for 16 weeks, and NAET for 12 weeks.

> My ?'s are

> 1) someone mentioned Cold therapy for yeast, is anyone doing it?

>

> 2) How about Colostrum, I heard that helps yeast?

>

> 3) Anyone have problems with Coconut kefir and stimming?

>

> 4) Are there any other natural antifungals I should try?

>

> Thank you all, sorry it so long...

>

February 9, 2011

Had massive gins on diflucan alone years ago, terrible regression on valtrex along with diflucan recently. Would that mean you would recommend dropping the valtrex? Was under the impression that a regression on valtrex was good, ie die-off, indicating that his system does have a viral problem. To: mb12 valtrex Sent:

Thursday, February 10, 2011 5:19:39Subject: RE: Yeast Beast

Some of us have to rotate prescription anti-fungals. A couple months of Diflucan then rotate to Keto then rotate to Amphoceterin, etc. Also sometimes we have to add in Nystatin to this rotation. Also, Valtrex kicks up Yeast so unless you are seeing gains from it you might consider dropping it. Also high dose probiotics. Pamela From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of

jujugirl1971Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 9:41 PMTo: mb12 valtrex Subject: Yeast Beast I need to see if anyone has any other recommendations, I am really at a lost. We are on an extremely low sugar diet (very watery juice so he can choke down his enhansa) GSE, Diflucan, Valtrex, brain child nutritional herbs rotated, charcoal to mop up die off, oxypowder- for the constipation from charcoal, Enhansa, no phenol, digestive enzymes, probiotics- Klaire's complete, Syntol, Interface, Kirkman yeast aid, Bethanechol, coconut oil 1 tsp, cocokefir- just started, Aqua Forte- homepathic anticandida product, etc... It all started with the GSE, more than a drop caused visual stimming (he stares at his hands really close.) The die off was so strong, I

gave 2 charcoal and oxypowder but when I gave additional GSE throughout the day he was stimming at school. So now I do just 1 drop of GSE in the afternoon and charcoal an hour later for die off. Also thought maybe the coconut oil is a bit to strong? Had a tsp with breakfast, and added one with lunch? Therapist said he was off today, and we were sick all weekend with the flu. Also started the Coconut Kefir, using a product cocokefir and I have been on a tsp for a week, added another b/c we are suppose to get up to a cup daily eventually. My question is this, I was told his stimming was from the yeast die off, and to use charcoal. It has worked, but I can not always give charcoal b/c I just gave something I want him to absorb and/or he is at school, or we are out and about and I do not have charcoal. He stims when he is bored too, his stimming is not nearly as strong as last year when I did not have a clue what I was really doing. I am amazed how hard I

am struggling with all of this. Like learning a new language for me, everytime I think I get what is going on with him, something different happens. Today he was stimming by looking out of the corner of his eye turning his head sideways walking back forth from the kitchen counter. What else could I be doing for yeast? By the way, the more yeast I kill the better his eventual gains. So even though I kill the yeast, and he then stims more, after charcoal, or even GabbaMag cream he is more improved then earlier. So I have to kill the yeast, which cause him to stim more, almost compulsively, yet the gains are greater. He will eventually have vision therapy when he turns 5 this summer. He is in prism lenses which help him not to stim as much. He has issues with his ears and loud sounds. So he is a really yeasty kid, unable to swallow pills- will chew them though. Vitamin A did not help us until we got up to 10,000 units but we had massive nose bleeds, like I

could have taken him to the ER. We do CLO and DHA. Anyway, any help would be great. We just finished Auditory integration therapy for 16 weeks, and NAET for 12 weeks. My ?'s are 1) someone mentioned Cold therapy for yeast, is anyone doing it?2) How about Colostrum, I heard that helps yeast?3) Anyone have problems with Coconut kefir and stimming?4) Are there any other natural antifungals I should try?Thank you all, sorry it so long...

February 9, 2011

How do you know that you need to change anti fungals? Also how long do you stay on them total?To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wed, February 9, 2011 4:19:39 PMSubject: RE: Yeast Beast

Some of us have to rotate prescription anti-fungals. A couple months of Diflucan then rotate to Keto then rotate to Amphoceterin, etc. Also sometimes we have to add in Nystatin to this rotation. Also, Valtrex kicks up Yeast so unless you are seeing gains from it you might consider dropping it. Also high dose probiotics. Pamela From: mb12 valtrex

[mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of jujugirl1971Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 9:41 PMTo: mb12 valtrex Subject: Yeast Beast I need to see if anyone has any other recommendations, I am really at a lost. We are on an extremely low sugar diet (very watery juice so he can choke down his enhansa) GSE, Diflucan, Valtrex, brain child nutritional herbs rotated, charcoal to mop up die off, oxypowder- for the constipation from charcoal, Enhansa, no phenol, digestive enzymes, probiotics- Klaire's complete, Syntol, Interface, Kirkman yeast aid, Bethanechol, coconut oil 1 tsp, cocokefir- just started, Aqua Forte- homepathic anticandida product, etc... It all started with the GSE, more than a drop caused visual stimming (he stares at his

hands really close.) The die off was so strong, I gave 2 charcoal and oxypowder but when I gave additional GSE throughout the day he was stimming at school. So now I do just 1 drop of GSE in the afternoon and charcoal an hour later for die off. Also thought maybe the coconut oil is a bit to strong? Had a tsp with breakfast, and added one with lunch? Therapist said he was off today, and we were sick all weekend with the flu. Also started the Coconut Kefir, using a product cocokefir and I have been on a tsp for a week, added another b/c we are suppose to get up to a cup daily eventually. My question is this, I was told his stimming was from the yeast die off, and to use charcoal. It has worked, but I can not always give charcoal b/c I just gave something I want him to absorb and/or he is at school, or we are out and about and I do not have charcoal. He stims when he is bored too, his stimming is not nearly as strong as last year when I did not have a clue

what I was really doing. I am amazed how hard I am struggling with all of this. Like learning a new language for me, everytime I think I get what is going on with him, something different happens. Today he was stimming by looking out of the corner of his eye turning his head sideways walking back forth from the kitchen counter. What else could I be doing for yeast? By the way, the more yeast I kill the better his eventual gains. So even though I kill the yeast, and he then stims more, after charcoal, or even GabbaMag cream he is more improved then earlier. So I have to kill the yeast, which cause him to stim more, almost compulsively, yet the gains are greater. He will eventually have vision therapy when he turns 5 this summer. He is in prism lenses which help him not to stim as much. He has issues with his ears and loud sounds. So he is a really yeasty kid, unable to swallow pills- will chew them though. Vitamin A did not help us until we got up to

10,000 units but we had massive nose bleeds, like I could have taken him to the ER. We do CLO and DHA. Anyway, any help would be great. We just finished Auditory integration therapy for 16 weeks, and NAET for 12 weeks. My ?'s are 1) someone mentioned Cold therapy for yeast, is anyone doing it?2) How about Colostrum, I heard that helps yeast?3) Anyone have problems with Coconut kefir and stimming?4) Are there any other natural antifungals I should try?Thank you all, sorry it so long...

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February 9, 2011

We actually do 'both' Feingold and Low Ox. IT severely limits a lot of

things..however, that being said, my kids are doing great. Now if I could just

figure out how to get the foods back in -- without the bad effect...I would be

recovered completely... ah..so close..

Syntol is actually a probiotic (along with a yeast killer) -- so I only did

Syntol w/Culturelle (since Lacto GG doesn't colonize, simply helps get rid of

the bad stuff.)

If you are seeing gains - then stay the course! (Enhansa)

We were able to combat the high oxalate stuff that caused a lot of 'undesirable'

behavior with calcium citrate, magnesium and zinc. Taken 20 minutes prior to

the high oxalate things.

laura

> > >

> > > I need to see if anyone has any other recommendations, I am really at a