Guest guest Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 Perhaps you could send her the information below in an e-mail; its part of the DSM-IV (the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual) which is what psychiatrists use to categorize and define the various mental illnesses: " Borderline Personality Disorder is a pervasive pattern of instability of interpersonal relationships, self-image and affects, as well as marked impulsivity, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following: 1. Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment. Note: Do not include suicidal or self-injuring behavior covered in Criterion 5 2. A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation. 3. Identity disturbance: markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self. 4. Impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g., promiscuous sex, eating disorders, binge eating, substance abuse, reckless driving). Note: Do not include suicidal or self-injuring behavior covered in Criterion 5 5. Recurrent suicidal behavior, gestures, threats or self-injuring behavior such as cutting, interfering with the healing of scars (excoriation) or picking at oneself. 6. Affective instability due to a marked reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days). 7. Chronic feelings of emptiness 8. Inappropriate anger or difficulty controlling anger (e.g., frequent displays of temper, constant anger, recurrent physical fights). 9. Transient, stress-related paranoid ideation, delusions or severe dissociative symptoms It is a requirement of DSM-IV that a diagnosis of any specific personality disorder also satisfies a set of general personality disorder criteria. " *** If you think your nada also has narcissistic pd traits, here is the list of criteria used to diagnose npd: " The essential feature of Narcissistic Personality Disorder is a pervasive pattern of grandiosity (either in fantasy or actual behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy that begins by early adulthood and is present in a variety of situations and environments. In order for a person to be diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) they must meet five or more of the following symptoms: 1. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements) 2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love 3. Believes that he or she is " special " and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions). Rarely acknowledges mistakes and/or imperfections 4. Requires excessive admiration 5. Has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations 6. Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends 7. Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others. 8. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her 9. Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitude. *** -Annie > > I was wondering if anyone could recommend an online resource (or some other resource) that I could use to explain BPD to my friend? I've had several discussions with my friend, and she is starting to understand why I'm NC with my parents, but she is a really nice person and has a hard time setting (and enforcing) boundaries with my nada, who calls her once a month to try and get info about my kids. I've told her that it is dangerous for her to give my nada *ANY* information, so she tries to avoid my nada's calls, but sometimes picks up the phone by accident. She thinks telling my nada things like " the kids are doing great, they're happy, they play with my daughter all the time " is harmless, but I'm not sure she fully understands that she is dealing with an irrational, manipulative and destructive person who is looking for any excuse to call CPS on me, or may show up one day and try to take my kids herself! I'm hoping to find something simple that she can read that explains " BPD is a mental illness " in one or two pages since she is a busy mom and doesn't want to spend a lot of time (like I have) online researching. She is starting to " get it " but I'd like to drive the point home :-) > > Thanks for your help! > > - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 It also occurs to me that you could write a personal example of how your nada's behavior illustrates each one of the criteria. In my case, for example, after bpd criteria #8 I would write: " When I was growing up my mother seemed to me to be on " low boil " most of the time: she was chronically irritable. She also had a hair-trigger temper and would explode in frightening, red-faced, spittle-flying, screaming rages against me; frequently her rage-tantrums included physical assault. I'd be slapped in the face, gripped by the arms and shaken, pushed to the ground, spanked, and even beaten with dad's belt if she was really ballistic. I was terrified of her. " So in your case, after criteria #9 you might write something like, " My mother has the delusional belief that I am hurting my children and that she needs to spy on them and perhaps kidnap them to protect them. She has tried before to have my children taken from me by CPS. Fortunately since I do not abuse my children nothing happened, but my mother is mentally ill and persists in her false beliefs despite reality. " -Annie > > > > I was wondering if anyone could recommend an online resource (or some other resource) that I could use to explain BPD to my friend? I've had several discussions with my friend, and she is starting to understand why I'm NC with my parents, but she is a really nice person and has a hard time setting (and enforcing) boundaries with my nada, who calls her once a month to try and get info about my kids. I've told her that it is dangerous for her to give my nada *ANY* information, so she tries to avoid my nada's calls, but sometimes picks up the phone by accident. She thinks telling my nada things like " the kids are doing great, they're happy, they play with my daughter all the time " is harmless, but I'm not sure she fully understands that she is dealing with an irrational, manipulative and destructive person who is looking for any excuse to call CPS on me, or may show up one day and try to take my kids herself! I'm hoping to find something simple that she can read that explains " BPD is a mental illness " in one or two pages since she is a busy mom and doesn't want to spend a lot of time (like I have) online researching. She is starting to " get it " but I'd like to drive the point home :-) > > > > Thanks for your help! > > > > - > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 I would also suggest caller id and blocking. I know that I had to do that with my aunt because she wasn't getting that nada was just using her to send messages and get information. Once she did that nada coudln't do any more damage, there really I don't think are any ways of explaining these people to others, I've got coworkers who have claimed to have similar relatives, but they don't get the depth and the deviousness of these people at times. proflaf Subject: Re: educating friends on BPD - any quick references? To: WTOAdultChildren1 Date: Sunday, September 5, 2010, 4:23 PM  I think you need to remember it is not your friends fault that your nada is calling her. ly, I would just tell my friend that when my nada calls to talk to you, she must excuse herself and end the conversation. Make it clear to your friend you know that your mom is using her, not being friendly. Why would your friend want to talk to her anyway? Your friends loyalty is to you...not your mom. Sharing in a few of your stories should do the trick as well. I think the " stop walking on egg shell " workbook could give you some things to copy and share that are simple and direct. That was where I shared things with my father from. > > > > > > > I was wondering if anyone could recommend an online resource (or some other > > resource) that I could use to explain BPD to my friend? I've had several > > discussions with my friend, and she is starting to understand why I'm NC > > with my parents, but she is a really nice person and has a hard time setting > > (and enforcing) boundaries with my nada, who calls her once a month to try > > and get info about my kids. I've told her that it is dangerous for her to > > give my nada *ANY* information, so she tries to avoid my nada's calls, but > > sometimes picks up the phone by accident. She thinks telling my nada things > > like " the kids are doing great, they're happy, they play with my daughter > > all the time " is harmless, but I'm not sure she fully understands that she > > is dealing with an irrational, manipulative and destructive person who is > > looking for any excuse to call CPS on me, or may show up one day and try to > > take my kids herself! I'm hoping to find something simple that she can read > > that explains " BPD is a mental illness " in one or two pages since she is a > > busy mom and doesn't want to spend a lot of time (like I have) online > > researching. She is starting to " get it " but I'd like to drive the point > > home :-) > > > > Thanks for your help! > > > > - > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 I don't know if I would try to dictate who my friend could and could not speak to. I think we have to allow people to make their own choices regarding who they do and don't have relationships/contact with. However, I *do* think it is fair to set a boundary regarding sharing of information. " My mother and I have a very difficult, strained relationship. I think it best for everyone if it stays between her and I. This includes the sharing of information about my children. If I want her to know something about them, I will make sure to let her know, but it is unfair for her or I to put you in the middle of our issues. " Ninera > > Subject: Re: educating friends on BPD - any quick references? > To: WTOAdultChildren1 > Date: Sunday, September 5, 2010, 8:23 PM > > I think you need to remember it is not your friends fault > that your nada is calling her. ly, I would just tell my > friend that when my nada calls to talk to you, she must > excuse herself and end the conversation. Make it clear to > your friend you know that your mom is using her, not being > friendly. Why would your friend want to talk to her anyway? > Your friends loyalty is to you...not your mom. > > Sharing in a few of your stories should do the trick as > well. I think the " stop walking on egg shell " workbook could > give you some things to copy and share that are simple and > direct. That was where I shared things with my father from. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was wondering if anyone could recommend an > online resource (or some other > > > resource) that I could use to explain BPD to my > friend? I've had several > > > discussions with my friend, and she is starting > to understand why I'm NC > > > with my parents, but she is a really nice person > and has a hard time setting > > > (and enforcing) boundaries with my nada, who > calls her once a month to try > > > and get info about my kids. I've told her that it > is dangerous for her to > > > give my nada *ANY* information, so she tries to > avoid my nada's calls, but > > > sometimes picks up the phone by accident. She > thinks telling my nada things > > > like " the kids are doing great, they're happy, > they play with my daughter > > > all the time " is harmless, but I'm not sure she > fully understands that she > > > is dealing with an irrational, manipulative and > destructive person who is > > > looking for any excuse to call CPS on me, or may > show up one day and try to > > > take my kids herself! I'm hoping to find > something simple that she can read > > > that explains " BPD is a mental illness " in one or > two pages since she is a > > > busy mom and doesn't want to spend a lot of time > (like I have) online > > > researching. She is starting to " get it " but I'd > like to drive the point > > > home :-) > > > > > > Thanks for your help! > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 I am most certain, however you handle this very personal situation, you will come up with the solution that works best for you and your family. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was wondering if anyone could recommend an > > online resource (or some other > > > > resource) that I could use to explain BPD to my > > friend? I've had several > > > > discussions with my friend, and she is starting > > to understand why I'm NC > > > > with my parents, but she is a really nice person > > and has a hard time setting > > > > (and enforcing) boundaries with my nada, who > > calls her once a month to try > > > > and get info about my kids. I've told her that it > > is dangerous for her to > > > > give my nada *ANY* information, so she tries to > > avoid my nada's calls, but > > > > sometimes picks up the phone by accident. She > > thinks telling my nada things > > > > like " the kids are doing great, they're happy, > > they play with my daughter > > > > all the time " is harmless, but I'm not sure she > > fully understands that she > > > > is dealing with an irrational, manipulative and > > destructive person who is > > > > looking for any excuse to call CPS on me, or may > > show up one day and try to > > > > take my kids herself! I'm hoping to find > > something simple that she can read > > > > that explains " BPD is a mental illness " in one or > > two pages since she is a > > > > busy mom and doesn't want to spend a lot of time > > (like I have) online > > > > researching. She is starting to " get it " but I'd > > like to drive the point > > > > home :-) > > > > > > > > Thanks for your help! > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 Thanks all for your words of wisdom and great advice! I've been talking with my friend and found that giving her examples of my nada's past behavior helps. I also sent her a link with the DSM-IV definitions of BPD (thanks Annie!). I also told her that my nada is like an alcoholic who is looking for a drink. Her drink is ANY information she can get about my kids (because she is looking for something to reinforce her delusions and possibly use against me). When nada calls my friend, its like my friend is a bartender. My friend has information about my kids, and even if she thinks she is not giving nada any information, even saying " the kids are fine, everyone is happy " is like giving nada a few drops of alcohol. Nada will keep calling because she thinks that maybe next time she will be able to get a full shot glass instead of a few drops. People seem to understand alcoholism. But BPD seems to be such a foreign concept to them! - > > > > > > I was wondering if anyone could recommend an online resource (or some other resource) that I could use to explain BPD to my friend? I've had several discussions with my friend, and she is starting to understand why I'm NC with my parents, but she is a really nice person and has a hard time setting (and enforcing) boundaries with my nada, who calls her once a month to try and get info about my kids. I've told her that it is dangerous for her to give my nada *ANY* information, so she tries to avoid my nada's calls, but sometimes picks up the phone by accident. She thinks telling my nada things like " the kids are doing great, they're happy, they play with my daughter all the time " is harmless, but I'm not sure she fully understands that she is dealing with an irrational, manipulative and destructive person who is looking for any excuse to call CPS on me, or may show up one day and try to take my kids herself! I'm hoping to find something simple that she can read that explains " BPD is a mental illness " in one or two pages since she is a busy mom and doesn't want to spend a lot of time (like I have) online researching. She is starting to " get it " but I'd like to drive the point home :-) > > > > > > Thanks for your help! > > > > > > - > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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