Guest guest Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 This is a blanket statement that probably refers to high dose chelation. I don't think anyone would try to argue that low, frequent dose ALA is dangerous. > > Whenever I have medical questions I don't know the answer to I ask Kathy > on who runs the Northern New York Autism Clinic. She always has an > open mind to new things and will do anything to help kids. After 's > post I asked Kathy to explain to me why chelation is so dangerous? > > Marcia > > > > FYI: Here is her answer: > > > > From: NNY Autism Clinic Autism Clinic > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 7:56 AM > To: and Marcia Hinds > Subject: Re: chelation > > > > Gosh, there are a lot of side effects but I guess the big one is the heart > arrthymias. I think that is why you have the sudden deaths, and why > chelation should be done in the Hospital where you can closely monitor the > electrolytes. This is particularly true with children. The other problem is > the damage that chelation causes. Studies have shown that the effect of > chelation on normal subjects (they used lab rats) is detrimental and I think > that is why the American Academy of Pediatrics changed their lead level > standards. You are trying to prevent retardation by chelating the lead out > and chelation itself causes retardation. So that's tricky. I think that is > why NIMH stopped their study on chelation and autism. > > > > E. on RN, MSN > Director > NNY Autism Clinic > > autismclinic2@... > www.nnyautismcenter.com > > > > > > _____ > > > To: " on, Kathy " > Sent: Thu, February 3, 2011 9:50:51 AM > Subject: chelation > > Can you explain to me why you think chelation is so dangerous medically? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 I know that chelation is controversial and I completely agree that it a personal choice. However, that being said, I would like to give some additional information. There are many different forms of chelation and yes, many have the possibility of being dangerous. I am not attempting to persuade people to or not to chelate, but I feel that proper information needs to be presented. Many of the possible side effects that are being referred to are with the use of EDTA injections or IVs. I am personally against these methods and you do not (and in many cases should not use) have to use EDTA to chelate. Oral DMSA does not cause significant depletion of minerals and kids that are chelating should be supplemented with minerals anyway. The studies showing heart arrhythmia used injected EDTA. http://www.livestrong.com/article/128852-chelation-risks/ And the only 2 children ever documented dying from chelation both were given IV Endrate. This was due to physician error and again, IVs DO NOT need to be used. The study done that showed that chelating could cause retardation said that the rats that were not exposed to lead but were treated anyway ended up having cognition problems. All this shows is that proper testing must be done to ensure that a child has heavy metal problems. http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/Dec06/LeadChelation.kr.html I respect everyone's opinion and choices. I am not saying that people should chelate, but people should have accurate and correct information when trying to make choices such as these. Also, you can look into Dr. Cutler (AC chelation) for alternative, low-dose chelation protocols. Dr. Suzanne www.fcchiropracticcenter.com > > Whenever I have medical questions I don't know the answer to I ask Kathy > on who runs the Northern New York Autism Clinic. She always has an > open mind to new things and will do anything to help kids. After 's > post I asked Kathy to explain to me why chelation is so dangerous? > > Marcia > > > > FYI: Here is her answer: > > > > From: NNY Autism Clinic Autism Clinic > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 7:56 AM > To: and Marcia Hinds > Subject: Re: chelation > > > > Gosh, there are a lot of side effects but I guess the big one is the heart > arrthymias. I think that is why you have the sudden deaths, and why > chelation should be done in the Hospital where you can closely monitor the > electrolytes. This is particularly true with children. The other problem is > the damage that chelation causes. Studies have shown that the effect of > chelation on normal subjects (they used lab rats) is detrimental and I think > that is why the American Academy of Pediatrics changed their lead level > standards. You are trying to prevent retardation by chelating the lead out > and chelation itself causes retardation. So that's tricky. I think that is > why NIMH stopped their study on chelation and autism. > > > > E. on RN, MSN > Director > NNY Autism Clinic > > autismclinic2@... > www.nnyautismcenter.com > > > > > > _____ > > > To: " on, Kathy " > Sent: Thu, February 3, 2011 9:50:51 AM > Subject: chelation > > Can you explain to me why you think chelation is so dangerous medically? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 Thank you, Suzanne. Let me say that I am a total wuss as I can't even bring myself to do the challenge test. But if I ever did decide to go ahead and chelate, I want to know that I'm getting good, accurate information about all the choices available and not just the "the boogie man might be in the closet" mumbo jumbo. I've done quite a bit of reading looking for negative experiences of chelation. Aside from the rat study and the same death we've been discussing, I've yet to really come across much. Some people will disregard anything "biomedical" for the simple reason that it's "biomedical" so it makes it hard to differenciate between a legit concern and when "experts" are bashing just for the sake of it. If I was a parent of a child that spent their days spinning and constantly engaged in self-injury or spending their days bashing their head into a wall, I don't think hearing about rats showing the potential to become retarded would be a deal breaker, you know? If we could get a little honesty from the CDC and the AAP, I might be more apt to take their advice. I trust 'em as far as I can throw 'em. It's too bad, because I know there are very good, very concerned doctors out there who are not only misled, but are mocked by their peers if they dare step outside the box. It's too bad, really. We are no longer encouraged to be progressive thinkers....unless it can turn a huge profit. <sigh> That's my soapbox for the day.-TammyTo: mb12 valtrex Sent: Thu, February 3, 2011 4:39:34 PMSubject: Re: FW: chelation I know that chelation is controversial and I completely agree that it a personal choice. However, that being said, I would like to give some additional information. There are many different forms of chelation and yes, many have the possibility of being dangerous. I am not attempting to persuade people to or not to chelate, but I feel that proper information needs to be presented. Many of the possible side effects that are being referred to are with the use of EDTA injections or IVs. I am personally against these methods and you do not (and in many cases should not use) have to use EDTA to chelate. Oral DMSA does not cause significant depletion of minerals and kids that are chelating should be supplemented with minerals anyway. The studies showing heart arrhythmia used injected EDTA. http://www.livestrong.com/article/128852-chelation-risks/ And the only 2 children ever documented dying from chelation both were given IV Endrate. This was due to physician error and again, IVs DO NOT need to be used. The study done that showed that chelating could cause retardation said that the rats that were not exposed to lead but were treated anyway ended up having cognition problems. All this shows is that proper testing must be done to ensure that a child has heavy metal problems. http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/Dec06/LeadChelation.kr.html I respect everyone's opinion and choices. I am not saying that people should chelate, but people should have accurate and correct information when trying to make choices such as these. Also, you can look into Dr. Cutler (AC chelation) for alternative, low-dose chelation protocols. Dr. Suzanne www.fcchiropracticcenter.com > > Whenever I have medical questions I don't know the answer to I ask Kathy > on who runs the Northern New York Autism Clinic. She always has an > open mind to new things and will do anything to help kids. After 's > post I asked Kathy to explain to me why chelation is so dangerous? > > Marcia > > > > FYI: Here is her answer: > > > > From: NNY Autism Clinic Autism Clinic > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 7:56 AM > To: and Marcia Hinds > Subject: Re: chelation > > > > Gosh, there are a lot of side effects but I guess the big one is the heart > arrthymias. I think that is why you have the sudden deaths, and why > chelation should be done in the Hospital where you can closely monitor the > electrolytes. This is particularly true with children. The other problem is > the damage that chelation causes. Studies have shown that the effect of > chelation on normal subjects (they used lab rats) is detrimental and I think > that is why the American Academy of Pediatrics changed their lead level > standards. You are trying to prevent retardation by chelating the lead out > and chelation itself causes retardation. So that's tricky. I think that is > why NIMH stopped their study on chelation and autism. > > > > E. on RN, MSN > Director > NNY Autism Clinic > > autismclinic2@... > www.nnyautismcenter.com > > > > > > _____ > > > To: "on, Kathy " > Sent: Thu, February 3, 2011 9:50:51 AM > Subject: chelation > > Can you explain to me why you think chelation is so dangerous medically? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 I agree, challenge tests are unnecessary. In fact, they are actually quite misleading. The reference values, or norms to which they are comparing the patient's urine are for healthy populations who have not been given a metal chelator. Dr. Suzanne www.fcchiropracticcenter.com > > > > > Thank you, Suzanne. > > Let me say that I am a total wuss as I can't even bring myself to do the challenge test. > > I've never done a challenge test. I don't personally like them and I wouldn't personally do one on my son. But that's just me. I prefer AC chelation. No challenge test needed or required. > > I know there are many kids that have done well with IV and high dose oral chelation. I can't really comment on that much because I've never done it. I did do DAN oral chelation with DMSA at a high dose for a very brief period of time and my son did not react well to it. I didn't stay on it long enough to see if it would even out, I thought it was more of a risk than I was willing to take. Once we started AC chelation, amazing things happened and we test his mineral levels regularly. Never had anything bad come out of it for us. > > I do know that even AC chelation has been intolerable to some kids but I don't think the reaction is anywhere near as severe for most of them. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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