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I should have known there would be a catch. Met with the attorney today and

I will become the trustee of her estate (which is quite large) and have to

manage it but it is not distributed to her kids, my brother and I, until age

50 when we get half and age 55 when we get the other half. I'm sure I will

have many layers of anger over this, but the primary one I'm having right

now is that rather than months to a year of work to settle her estate - I'm

looking at least 16 more years of lots of work - like filing a tax return

for her frigging trust every year! It's typical nada though and I really

should not be surprised that she set it up to try to maintain control as

long as possible. Ahhh nada....just when I was feeling fairly compassionate

and actually missing her - now I will go to her funeral tomorrow mad at her.

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((((((((MY))))))))

virtual hugs to you. Isn't that amazing, that the need to control and dominate

and even punish from beyond the grave is so evident with our bpd/npd parents?

My nada started trying to use her money RE her will to stir up drama and

feelings of competition between myself and my Sister and her boy, a few years

back. I admit that initially I felt driven to argue with nada about how she was

planning to divide up whatever's left of her financial instruments after she's

gone... and then I caught myself. I just backed away; I dropped it. I didn't

want to go there.

Its her money, she can leave it to her cat if she wants to.

Later, when nada made an ugly statement that went something like, " You

kids/grandkid only talk to me or spend time with me when you want something from

me... " it finally became crystal clear to me that she truly believes that the

affection that I had for her (up until that time) was fake: that I was only nice

to her because I wanted her money! Good Lord.

It finally registered with me that she must be projecting again; the truth was

that *she* did not love *me* if she thought that that's the only reason I made

an effort to call her and spend time with her. She actually, truly felt that

she had to " buy " me. That made the degree of her distorted thinking and

underlying hostility and yes, hate, so very clear. Holy Freaking Cow. My whole

relationship with her was based on a distortion and lies. My own mother thought

that of me, after I'd tried my whole life to please her and include her in my

life and make her proud of me, she actually believed that of me. It felt I'd

been eviscerated.

I couldn't let her gut me like that again, I had to take that weapon away from

her. I told nada and nada's therapist (via conference call) and my Sister that

I wanted nada to take my name off of every financial instrument she has. All of

them. I'm out. I told her to take my name off of her will; I want nothing from

her, ever again.

So, anyway. Each of us has to do what feels right for himself or herself. My

mother apparently considered me to be a whore that she could rent. I have freed

myself of any possibility that any of our relatives will believe that;

disinheriting myself was worth it to me. I feel clean now.

-Annie

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> I should have known there would be a catch. Met with the attorney today and

> I will become the trustee of her estate (which is quite large) and have to

> manage it but it is not distributed to her kids, my brother and I, until age

> 50 when we get half and age 55 when we get the other half. I'm sure I will

> have many layers of anger over this, but the primary one I'm having right

> now is that rather than months to a year of work to settle her estate - I'm

> looking at least 16 more years of lots of work - like filing a tax return

> for her frigging trust every year! It's typical nada though and I really

> should not be surprised that she set it up to try to maintain control as

> long as possible. Ahhh nada....just when I was feeling fairly compassionate

> and actually missing her - now I will go to her funeral tomorrow mad at her.

>

>

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I know I should not be letting nada have this kind of power over me now that

she is dead any more than I should have given her any power over me while

she was alive. But I continue to be really angry over this trust thing -

which she just changed this past June and kept it a secret from everyone

except the attorney who made the ammendment.

It is consistent with everything else nada has ever done, but it feels like

salt poured in all of our wounds, like a kick in the stomach. And my brother

and I had actually felt like we had had good closure with her in her last

days. We never wanted any of her money - which we told her repeatedly when

she would try to control us with her money. So, it is not about the money. I

simply do not want to have to deal with her estate for the next 16 years. If

we had inherited her money in a straightforward way, I think my brother and

I were actually inclined to do something good with it, currently we are

inclined to just waste it or get rid of it somehow. We were also inclined to

take care of her stuff and actually had some sentimental attachment to some

of the things in her home from our childhoods, but now we frankly don't care

if it is all stolen or the house burns down before we get to it.

Fortunately, my brother and I are on the same page and we are determined to

not let there be any division between us in the working out of her estate.

Though if we were inclined to have division she set it up to exacerbate it,

I wouldn't be surprised if she made the change to punish my brother, but

then put me in charge - which is exactly what she tried to do our entire

lives. But it did not work then and it won't work now - it has only made us

more united.

At the very least I need to figure out what the next steps are and if there

is any way around this, but I have no motivation to do it right now.

> I should have known there would be a catch. Met with the attorney today and

> I will become the trustee of her estate (which is quite large) and have to

> manage it but it is not distributed to her kids, my brother and I, until age

> 50 when we get half and age 55 when we get the other half. I'm sure I will

> have many layers of anger over this, but the primary one I'm having right

> now is that rather than months to a year of work to settle her estate - I'm

> looking at least 16 more years of lots of work - like filing a tax return

> for her frigging trust every year! It's typical nada though and I really

> should not be surprised that she set it up to try to maintain control as

> long as possible. Ahhh nada....just when I was feeling fairly compassionate

> and actually missing her - now I will go to her funeral tomorrow mad at her.

>

>

>

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,I'm so sorry your nada's change to her will/trust fund has put such a

wrench in the works of the closure you and your brother were feeling when she

died.It's terrible that in these cases,when a PD parent dies,that when a sense

of closure is so very very needed,that when the will is read we discover all

over again that there's more of the same old sh*t from them.

I also felt a sort of necessary closure when I was able to be by my

fada's side when he died.We were able to talk a bit before his pain got very bad

and I was able to manage it for it and pray over him when he did pass.It was far

from ideal,long story believe me!,but...I felt as if I did have what closure I

could have in that situation.Only to discover while speaking with the funeral

director that he had completely disinherited me two years earlier and had *lied*

to me about that.Yet another lie from fada,of many lies.It made me feel very

betrayed and cynical during his memorial service when what I had wanted was to

be saying goodbye with that sense of closure going...and then I couldn't.

I understand that it's not about the money--I think it's about good

will--like you said,you and your brother were both inclined to do something good

with the money--and yes,it's like a kick in the gut totally when you wanted it

to be somehow good,after all.

I understand too about feeling the sentimental attachment to things

in her home and now not caring if it all gets stolen.When I found out what fada

had done with his will all my ideas of collecting family photographs got

nullified by my disgust with him--I did not *want* those photos anymore.I

couldn't stand to look at them.They reminded me of his sickness.

I don't blame you for not feeling motivated right now to try to

rectify any of this if you can--it truly is salt poured in the wounds and a kick

in the gut.You need time to heal from it,to start to.You just do.I'm so sorry it

turned out like this.

But I'm glad that you and your brother are united.I think that's

beautiful.You're a special person to have the awareness that you do,to see your

nada clearly and to be there in sanity and health for your brother,to stand with

him as you are.That is goodness itself and it is beautiful.I was the all bad

scapegoat and my brother was not there for me like you are for your own

sibling--I truly admire your clarity and admire you for *being there* with your

brother,the two of you together not allowing your nada to divide you.

Money is NOTHING compared to that--your unity and health is so much

much grander and so much much more noble.And it will endure beyond dealing with

her trust fund;THAT is what will remain over time.

Bless you

>

> > I should have known there would be a catch. Met with the attorney today and

> > I will become the trustee of her estate (which is quite large) and have to

> > manage it but it is not distributed to her kids, my brother and I, until age

> > 50 when we get half and age 55 when we get the other half. I'm sure I will

> > have many layers of anger over this, but the primary one I'm having right

> > now is that rather than months to a year of work to settle her estate - I'm

> > looking at least 16 more years of lots of work - like filing a tax return

> > for her frigging trust every year! It's typical nada though and I really

> > should not be surprised that she set it up to try to maintain control as

> > long as possible. Ahhh nada....just when I was feeling fairly compassionate

> > and actually missing her - now I will go to her funeral tomorrow mad at her.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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I can't tell you how glad I was to know that your experience was so similar

to mine. Well, not glad in the sense that it happened this way to either of

us, but glad to know that there is someone else who can relate to this

situation. I am actually so sorry that something so similar happened to you

when your fada died.

My brother and I had another really good talk last night. He has been more

open with me than he has ever been - and I with him. I think we need each

other to help each other remember and to put things in perspective. At one

point in our long conversation " I'm pretty sure she did it (changed the

trust) to tried to divide us. " To which I replied, " which we are more

determined now than ever to not allow her estate to divide us. " And he

agreed whole heartedly. I do hope that there can be some healing and

redemption of the mess of this legacy of mental illness in the relationship

my brother and I have and how we proceed from here - with one another and

with our families and with others in our lives - though I know that that

just won't happen - it will take work and will be very painful at times.

Thanks so much.

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:40 PM, christine.depizan <

christine.depizan@...> wrote:

>

>

> ,I'm so sorry your nada's change to her will/trust fund has put

> such a wrench in the works of the closure you and your brother were feeling

> when she died.It's terrible that in these cases,when a PD parent dies,that

> when a sense of closure is so very very needed,that when the will is read we

> discover all over again that there's more of the same old sh*t from them.

>

> I also felt a sort of necessary closure when I was able to be by my fada's

> side when he died.We were able to talk a bit before his pain got very bad

> and I was able to manage it for it and pray over him when he did pass.It was

> far from ideal,long story believe me!,but...I felt as if I did have what

> closure I could have in that situation.Only to discover while speaking with

> the funeral director that he had completely disinherited me two years

> earlier and had *lied* to me about that.Yet another lie from fada,of many

> lies.It made me feel very betrayed and cynical during his memorial service

> when what I had wanted was to be saying goodbye with that sense of closure

> going...and then I couldn't.

>

> I understand that it's not about the money--I think it's about good

> will--like you said,you and your brother were both inclined to do something

> good with the money--and yes,it's like a kick in the gut totally when you

> wanted it to be somehow good,after all.

>

> I understand too about feeling the sentimental attachment to things in her

> home and now not caring if it all gets stolen.When I found out what fada had

> done with his will all my ideas of collecting family photographs got

> nullified by my disgust with him--I did not *want* those photos anymore.I

> couldn't stand to look at them.They reminded me of his sickness.

>

> I don't blame you for not feeling motivated right now to try to rectify any

> of this if you can--it truly is salt poured in the wounds and a kick in the

> gut.You need time to heal from it,to start to.You just do.I'm so sorry it

> turned out like this.

>

> But I'm glad that you and your brother are united.I think that's

> beautiful.You're a special person to have the awareness that you do,to see

> your nada clearly and to be there in sanity and health for your brother,to

> stand with him as you are.That is goodness itself and it is beautiful.I was

> the all bad scapegoat and my brother was not there for me like you are for

> your own sibling--I truly admire your clarity and admire you for *being

> there* with your brother,the two of you together not allowing your nada to

> divide you.

>

> Money is NOTHING compared to that--your unity and health is so much much

> grander and so much much more noble.And it will endure beyond dealing with

> her trust fund;THAT is what will remain over time.

>

> Bless you

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > > I should have known there would be a catch. Met with the attorney today

> and

> > > I will become the trustee of her estate (which is quite large) and have

> to

> > > manage it but it is not distributed to her kids, my brother and I,

> until age

> > > 50 when we get half and age 55 when we get the other half. I'm sure I

> will

> > > have many layers of anger over this, but the primary one I'm having

> right

> > > now is that rather than months to a year of work to settle her estate -

> I'm

> > > looking at least 16 more years of lots of work - like filing a tax

> return

> > > for her frigging trust every year! It's typical nada though and I

> really

> > > should not be surprised that she set it up to try to maintain control

> as

> > > long as possible. Ahhh nada....just when I was feeling fairly

> compassionate

> > > and actually missing her - now I will go to her funeral tomorrow mad at

> her.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

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- being in your 50's is really old for a trust disbursement, unless you

and your brother were both junkies or something. Have you asked whether the two

of you can contest the terms of the will? I can see parents setting

disbursement at age 25, so the kids are mature enough. But if you're both solid

citizens, why on earth would she make you wait - unless she was just planning

to be a pain in the ass from beyond the grave.

> > >

> > > > I should have known there would be a catch. Met with the attorney today

> > and

> > > > I will become the trustee of her estate (which is quite large) and have

> > to

> > > > manage it but it is not distributed to her kids, my brother and I,

> > until age

> > > > 50 when we get half and age 55 when we get the other half. I'm sure I

> > will

> > > > have many layers of anger over this, but the primary one I'm having

> > right

> > > > now is that rather than months to a year of work to settle her estate -

> > I'm

> > > > looking at least 16 more years of lots of work - like filing a tax

> > return

> > > > for her frigging trust every year! It's typical nada though and I

> > really

> > > > should not be surprised that she set it up to try to maintain control

> > as

> > > > long as possible. Ahhh nada....just when I was feeling fairly

> > compassionate

> > > > and actually missing her - now I will go to her funeral tomorrow mad at

> > her.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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,I'm glad that sharing my experience was helpful to you.I know it's not

easy and that redeeming the mess of the legacy of your nada's illness will take

time and effort and there is much pain involved.

It's heartening to me to hear you speak of having a really good talk

with your brother.I really don't think that's ever going to happen between me

and my own brother but hearing from you about you and your brother's desire for

unity at this very difficult time reminds me that a nada/fada's attempts at

driving a wedge between their own children *can* be refuted,together,even though

it hurts.I thank you in turn for sharing this with us--it lightens my own heart

a bit to hear you say that you both are determined not to allow her estate to

divide you.I wish you both all the best as you journey towards healing.

Take care and kudos to you,again,for your clarity and for standing with

your brother

>

> ,

>

> I can't tell you how glad I was to know that your experience was so similar

> to mine. Well, not glad in the sense that it happened this way to either of

> us, but glad to know that there is someone else who can relate to this

> situation. I am actually so sorry that something so similar happened to you

> when your fada died.

>

> My brother and I had another really good talk last night. He has been more

> open with me than he has ever been - and I with him. I think we need each

> other to help each other remember and to put things in perspective. At one

> point in our long conversation " I'm pretty sure she did it (changed the

> trust) to tried to divide us. " To which I replied, " which we are more

> determined now than ever to not allow her estate to divide us. " And he

> agreed whole heartedly. I do hope that there can be some healing and

> redemption of the mess of this legacy of mental illness in the relationship

> my brother and I have and how we proceed from here - with one another and

> with our families and with others in our lives - though I know that that

> just won't happen - it will take work and will be very painful at times.

>

> Thanks so much.

>

>

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Yeah - I think she pretty much wanted to control " her hard earned money "

(which is at least in part ridiculous because a chunk of it she inherited

from her father) as long as she could and basically be a pain and try to

control things from the grave.

She kept this change in June a secret from everyone except the attorney who

wrote the ammendment - even her financial advisor in the same office knew

nothing about it.. If she were alive to explain herself, I'm sure she would

say something that could sound at least reasonable coming from her -

something about it not being good for us to inherit so much money at once or

something. My hunch if she were talking just to me is that she would say she

did not want my brother to inherit all of this money at once - afraid he

would just waste it. So, she did what she did our whole lives - tried to

punish my brother, but put me in charge (I am the successor trustee). And

this is a big part of why we are determined to not let her/this divide us.

I could ask why she did this, but the answer my husband supplies me with is

" she was crazy " . In other words, I'm looking for a rational explanation and

there is not going to be one - she was acting as she always did out of fear

and manipulation and trying to control things. She may have had a reason

that made sense in her mind, but it was really out of her mental illness.

I think she was too high functioning to contest the trust amendment

completely and that would likely be a mess, but I'm getting the feeling that

there are ways around it. We have asked two attorneys 'off the record'

basically what if we ignore the amendment (it is a separate paper from the

original trust which the new attorney (her third who has worked on this

trust - again so nada like to keep switching attorneys) gave to us. The

answer has seemed to be nothing except my brother or I, as beneficiaries,

could sue the other one for not following the trust. The trust is now

between my brother and I the best I understand it - though I can no longer

amend or change it. Since my brother and I trust each other completely and

really are not worried about everything being divided right down the middle

(like I've said - neither of us has ever been clamoring for her stuff or her

money - we just don't want this to drag on for the next 16 years when my

brother turns 55), we certainly have no worries that one of us will sue the

other one. I'm now in charge of the money/estate, but he knows I am not

going to cheat him in any way.

I need to meet with an estate attorney though and find out all of the legal

ramifications relating to estates, trusts, amendments and gift taxes. I have

a lot of questions and really don't know much about all this. I want to know

what we will be getting ourselves into whatever course of action we decide

to take before we take it. Even if we honor the trust exactly as it is

written, I have questions - like my brother and I do not turn 50 at the

same time, how then does the distribution work (how do you divide something

in half 3 years apart in time?), how will taxes work if it is distributed

later, etc.

I too this week off from doing too much about nada's stuff other than paying

her bills, but in the next few weeks I will do more investigating and try to

meet with an estate attorney (which the trust can pay for :).

On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 4:21 PM, shirleyspawn wrote:

>

>

> - being in your 50's is really old for a trust disbursement,

> unless you and your brother were both junkies or something. Have you asked

> whether the two of you can contest the terms of the will? I can see parents

> setting disbursement at age 25, so the kids are mature enough. But if you're

> both solid citizens, why on earth would she make you wait - unless she was

> just planning to be a pain in the ass from beyond the grave.

>

>

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > I should have known there would be a catch. Met with the attorney

> today

> > > and

> > > > > I will become the trustee of her estate (which is quite large) and

> have

> > > to

> > > > > manage it but it is not distributed to her kids, my brother and I,

> > > until age

> > > > > 50 when we get half and age 55 when we get the other half. I'm sure

> I

> > > will

> > > > > have many layers of anger over this, but the primary one I'm having

> > > right

> > > > > now is that rather than months to a year of work to settle her

> estate -

> > > I'm

> > > > > looking at least 16 more years of lots of work - like filing a tax

> > > return

> > > > > for her frigging trust every year! It's typical nada though and I

> > > really

> > > > > should not be surprised that she set it up to try to maintain

> control

> > > as

> > > > > long as possible. Ahhh nada....just when I was feeling fairly

> > > compassionate

> > > > > and actually missing her - now I will go to her funeral tomorrow

> mad at

> > > her.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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don't beat up on yourself, she did this to keep 'power' over you and once upon a

time she was the most powerful human being in your life so any feelings you have

about the power and control stuff are normal and understandable. Hugs.

>

> > I should have known there would be a catch. Met with the attorney today and

> > I will become the trustee of her estate (which is quite large) and have to

> > manage it but it is not distributed to her kids, my brother and I, until age

> > 50 when we get half and age 55 when we get the other half. I'm sure I will

> > have many layers of anger over this, but the primary one I'm having right

> > now is that rather than months to a year of work to settle her estate - I'm

> > looking at least 16 more years of lots of work - like filing a tax return

> > for her frigging trust every year! It's typical nada though and I really

> > should not be surprised that she set it up to try to maintain control as

> > long as possible. Ahhh nada....just when I was feeling fairly compassionate

> > and actually missing her - now I will go to her funeral tomorrow mad at her.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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