Re: What intuitive eating is NOT

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hardests wrote:

> " Being an intuitive eater doesn't mean you can't be gluten free, dairy

> free, vegan, high raw, whatever. Intuitive eating is about banishing those

> rules that surround the " hard core " way of thinking about such

> lifestyles. "

I still don't have a grip on that one.

I also have a problem with " listening to my body " . Mind and body are not

two separate entities. They're entangled with each other and come on -

does a body really say " I want cake! " ? Maybe a body can signal " I need

quick carbohydrates! " and you feel drawn to the cake because it's

something you like and are familiar with. Someone grown up in another

culture will maybe react with a completely different craving because

they're not very familiar with buttercream frosting and muffins.

I don't believe in bodies wanting cakes with all that stuff in them that

might not be that good for our bodies. Crying out for quick energy,

definitely - the crying out for cake or chocolate? More of a mind/brain

chemistry thing.

However, I see that there are different views on this one. I used to eat

all this stuff (didn't gain weight) but just like some people seem to

use IE to eat and eat and eat there might be some people justifying

eating cake and chocolate and chips and whatever with IE. I'm not saying

that anyone of you does that but I have the strong feeling that I did

it.

Best wishes

s.

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Sara, thanks. This was helpful to me.

>

> Hi all,

>

> Just wanted to share something that came in my inbox today. I thought it

really hit the nail on the head, both in terms of my own IE struggles as well as

some of the struggles I have seen others post here.

>

> http://www.nourishingcircle.com/what-intuitive-eating-is-not/

>

> A few quotes that resonated with me:

>

> " If you find that you are using intuitive eating as permission to binge, it

can be a sign that you have more work in the emotional eating arena to do. "

>

> " Yes, part of intuitive eating is about legalizing foods but it isn't

permission to eat whatever you want, whenever you want. It is about listening to

your body, not your mind. "

>

> " Being an intuitive eater doesn't mean you can't be gluten free, dairy free,

vegan, high raw, whatever. Intuitive eating is about banishing those rules that

surround the " hard core " way of thinking about such lifestyles. "

>

> How many of you, like me, have gotten away from the crucial " listening to your

body's hunger/satiety signals " part and focused more on the " no dieting rules!

eat eat eat! " part?

>

> Sara

>

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I don't have a grip on this one either. What exactly does " banishing those rules that surround the 'hard core' way of thinking about such lifestyles " ???That's a lot of words without actually saying anything! 

If you have decided to never, ever eat X, how can you not have some hard core rules??? Abby

 

hardests wrote:

> " Being an intuitive eater doesn't mean you can't be gluten free, dairy

> free, vegan, high raw, whatever. Intuitive eating is about banishing those

> rules that surround the " hard core " way of thinking about such

> lifestyles. "

I still don't have a grip on that one.

I also have a problem with " listening to my body " . Mind and body are not

two separate entities. They're entangled with each other and come on -

does a body really say " I want cake! " ? Maybe a body can signal " I need

quick carbohydrates! " and you feel drawn to the cake because it's

something you like and are familiar with. Someone grown up in another

culture will maybe react with a completely different craving because

they're not very familiar with buttercream frosting and muffins.

I don't believe in bodies wanting cakes with all that stuff in them that

might not be that good for our bodies. Crying out for quick energy,

definitely - the crying out for cake or chocolate? More of a mind/brain

chemistry thing.

However, I see that there are different views on this one. I used to eat

all this stuff (didn't gain weight) but just like some people seem to

use IE to eat and eat and eat there might be some people justifying

eating cake and chocolate and chips and whatever with IE. I'm not saying

that anyone of you does that but I have the strong feeling that I did

it.

Best wishes

s.

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Abigail Wolfson wrote:

> If you have decided to never, ever eat X, how can you not have some hard

> core rules???

I have a problem with that, too. If you want/need to eat suiting

diabetes, vegan, gluten free, lactose free, whatever there are

automatically some hard set rules, e. g. vegan = no animal products

ever.

Of course you can say that you don't beat yourself up when you have a

slip up but that's something different IMO.

Best wishes

s.

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I don't have a grip on this one either. What exactly does "banishing those rules that surround the 'hard core' way of thinking about such lifestyles"???That's a lot of words without actually saying anything!

If you have decided to never, ever eat X, how can you not have some hard core rules??? I think it depends on why. You could be vegetarian for moral or religious reasons, meat may repulse you as a result, and then it's not a punishment to avoid it. Over the holidays I ate a lot of wintergreen lifesavers. I got food poisoning and I will not eat them now. The smell makes me ill. That is not setting me up for a binge and it's not a losing weight rule. I do have to be careful about health rules. Orthorexia runs in my family and I can see myself going down that road. It's a fight for me. I do sometimes consider trying not eating something temporarily, but it's a slippery slope.

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Abigail Wolfson wrote:

> my feeling, again, is that the author was referring to foods that people

> CHOOSE not to eat. it's obvious to me that it's easy to avoid foods that

> make you sick, physically or morally.

I object. I don't want to eat animal products because of ethical

reasons, I also don't use cosmetic products that were tested on animals

or that contain animal products and I have not a single problem with

THAT one, yet I crave certain animal foods and have a HARD time avoiding

them.

I think it might be that a lot of these products also have the

" forbidden food " label for weight loss reasons which goes way back in

time before I even thought about veganism. However, that's a guess and

sometimes I get the impression that it's only hard to avoid animal

products for me if there isn't a good tasting vegan alternative around,

e. g. I still haven't found a vegan mayonnaise or cheese that compares

with the " real stuff " . Chocolate has become better because I finally

found some rice milk chocolate that compares to milk chocolate. Cream

cheese - there is the yummie fake stuff available. But Reese's peanut

butter cups? Or fried eggs with the sunny side up? (which is also

definitely a forbidden food for weight loss reasons for me)

I also have to order most of the stuff online and it's fairly expensive.

(Ok, that goes also for the peanut butter cups...)

Maybe it helps with my cravings for sweets to stock up a bit. I might

have to invest about 150,- Euro but then I should have a nice stock of

vegan treats that should last a while though I haven't solved the

problem with the savory foods yet.

Best wishes

s.