Re: A couple questions for type 1's using pumps

[Guest guest]

Well, I use the medtronic paradigm (not sure which model it is). I have it

set to beep each time the increase button is pushed. I believe that there

is a " parental lock " that can be programmed into the pump, so someone who is

not authorized to adjust dosing can mess it it. If I wre you, I would

contact the pump manufacturers and ask for their assistance in this matter.

I hope you are not thebad guy you mentioned below.

A couple questions for type 1's using pumps

>I trust you guys will forgive me for stepping outside our list guidelines

>by

> posting a message slightly off topic. What guidelines, you ask? Okay, now

> that that's settled...

>

> My next novel involves a newly diagnosed type 1 who I haven't yet figured

> out if she will wear a pump, or inject.

>

> I'm going to proceed for now with her using a pump. The story will get

> ugly

> at some point, with the " bad guy " trying to get rid of this woman.

>

> I was initially figuring how someone could use an overdose of insulin

> (Humalog) to do the job, which might have been a bit easier if she used an

> insulin pen. But, if she's using a pump, I'm thinking this wouldn't be too

> easy.

>

> And this is why I need to hear from some pumpers. Can you think of a

> scenario where someone could initiate an overdose? Perhaps if she were

> sleeping, and this bad guy could push a button or 2 without her knowing?

> If

> I can't come up with some plausible way for the bad guy to do her in

> (actually it will amount to an attempt to do her in) via an overdose of

> insulin, I'll have to consider some other method.

>

> The list is quiet enough so I don't think you need to send replies

> privately.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Dave

>

>

> ~~ THE ATTACHÉ -- From Desert Breeze Publishing ~~

>

> Released January, 2012, this debut EBook full-length novel is about a man

> who loses his sight, his struggle to find his way, and his growing

> attraction to a woman who has a problem of her own. Will Zach be able to

> climb his mountain again? Will Jessie find the wandering nomad she thinks

> she loves? Life is complicated enough for Zach and Jessie, and a madman on

> the loose doesn't help.

>

> Enter a contest to win a copy of THE ATTACHÉ, and Learn more about this

> novel at: http://www.authordavidbond.com/newest.php

>

>

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

It sounds like it will bbe a good book.

Becky

A couple questions for type 1's using pumps

>I trust you guys will forgive me for stepping outside our list guidelines

>by

> posting a message slightly off topic. What guidelines, you ask? Okay, now

> that that's settled...

>

> My next novel involves a newly diagnosed type 1 who I haven't yet figured

> out if she will wear a pump, or inject.

>

> I'm going to proceed for now with her using a pump. The story will get

> ugly

> at some point, with the " bad guy " trying to get rid of this woman.

>

> I was initially figuring how someone could use an overdose of insulin

> (Humalog) to do the job, which might have been a bit easier if she used an

> insulin pen. But, if she's using a pump, I'm thinking this wouldn't be too

> easy.

>

> And this is why I need to hear from some pumpers. Can you think of a

> scenario where someone could initiate an overdose? Perhaps if she were

> sleeping, and this bad guy could push a button or 2 without her knowing?

> If

> I can't come up with some plausible way for the bad guy to do her in

> (actually it will amount to an attempt to do her in) via an overdose of

> insulin, I'll have to consider some other method.

>

> The list is quiet enough so I don't think you need to send replies

> privately.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Dave

>

>

> ~~ THE ATTACHÉ -- From Desert Breeze Publishing ~~

>

> Released January, 2012, this debut EBook full-length novel is about a man

> who loses his sight, his struggle to find his way, and his growing

> attraction to a woman who has a problem of her own. Will Zach be able to

> climb his mountain again? Will Jessie find the wandering nomad she thinks

> she loves? Life is complicated enough for Zach and Jessie, and a madman on

> the loose doesn't help.

>

> Enter a contest to win a copy of THE ATTACHÉ, and Learn more about this

> novel at: http://www.authordavidbond.com/newest.php

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dave, a couple of things you might want to consider. I know that my pump has

a setting to limit the maximum bolus does it will allow. Also, as

mentioned, the pump might beep either when pressing keys to select the

dosage or when it is finished administering the dose. This would be a

consideration for someone up to no good on the sly. Your bad guy might have

to get cozy with his target to get at least a rudimentary understanding on

how to change some pump configuration settings.

Alan Lemly

A couple questions for type 1's using pumps

I trust you guys will forgive me for stepping outside our list guidelines by

posting a message slightly off topic. What guidelines, you ask? Okay, now

that that's settled...

My next novel involves a newly diagnosed type 1 who I haven't yet figured

out if she will wear a pump, or inject.

I'm going to proceed for now with her using a pump. The story will get ugly

at some point, with the " bad guy " trying to get rid of this woman.

I was initially figuring how someone could use an overdose of insulin

(Humalog) to do the job, which might have been a bit easier if she used an

insulin pen. But, if she's using a pump, I'm thinking this wouldn't be too

easy.

And this is why I need to hear from some pumpers. Can you think of a

scenario where someone could initiate an overdose? Perhaps if she were

sleeping, and this bad guy could push a button or 2 without her knowing? If

I can't come up with some plausible way for the bad guy to do her in

(actually it will amount to an attempt to do her in) via an overdose of

insulin, I'll have to consider some other method.

The list is quiet enough so I don't think you need to send replies

privately.

Thanks!

Dave

~~ THE ATTACHÉ -- From Desert Breeze Publishing ~~

Released January, 2012, this debut EBook full-length novel is about a man

who loses his sight, his struggle to find his way, and his growing

attraction to a woman who has a problem of her own. Will Zach be able to

climb his mountain again? Will Jessie find the wandering nomad she thinks

she loves? Life is complicated enough for Zach and Jessie, and a madman on

the loose doesn't help.

Enter a contest to win a copy of THE ATTACHÉ, and Learn more about this

novel at: http://www.authordavidbond.com/newest.php

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[Guest guest]

It would be rather difficult for someone else besides the person wearing the

pump, to hit the pump button enough times to OD the person. Every pump I

know of makes a beeping noise when you it the pump and usually the pump is

not set up for than 1 unit at a time to inject. I have a friend who was

diagnosed with a terminal brain tumor wh, we surmise, over dosed himself to

death because he knew he was not going live much longer anyway. One way the

" bad guy " could use the pum would be to get the woman very drunk and when

she passed out, use the pump to give her a huge dose. On top of the

alchohol putting her liverinto not giving out glucogon, the xtra insulin

could also help.

A couple questions for type 1's using pumps

I trust you guys will forgive me for stepping outside our list guidelines by

posting a message slightly off topic. What guidelines, you ask? Okay, now

that that's settled...

My next novel involves a newly diagnosed type 1 who I haven't yet figured

out if she will wear a pump, or inject.

I'm going to proceed for now with her using a pump. The story will get ugly

at some point, with the " bad guy " trying to get rid of this woman.

I was initially figuring how someone could use an overdose of insulin

(Humalog) to do the job, which might have been a bit easier if she used an

insulin pen. But, if she's using a pump, I'm thinking this wouldn't be too

easy.

And this is why I need to hear from some pumpers. Can you think of a

scenario where someone could initiate an overdose? Perhaps if she were

sleeping, and this bad guy could push a button or 2 without her knowing? If

I can't come up with some plausible way for the bad guy to do her in

(actually it will amount to an attempt to do her in) via an overdose of

insulin, I'll have to consider some other method.

The list is quiet enough so I don't think you need to send replies

privately.

Thanks!

Dave

~~ THE ATTACHÉ -- From Desert Breeze Publishing ~~

Released January, 2012, this debut EBook full-length novel is about a man

who loses his sight, his struggle to find his way, and his growing

attraction to a woman who has a problem of her own. Will Zach be able to

climb his mountain again? Will Jessie find the wandering nomad she thinks

she loves? Life is complicated enough for Zach and Jessie, and a madman on

the loose doesn't help.

Enter a contest to win a copy of THE ATTACHÉ, and Learn more about this

novel at: http://www.authordavidbond.com/newest.php

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

I was actually thinking along those lines, Pat.

Thanks!

Dave

~~ THE ATTACHÉ -- From Desert Breeze Publishing ~~

Released January, 2012, this debut EBook full-length novel is about a man who

loses his sight, his struggle to find his way, and his growing attraction to a

woman who has a problem of her own. Will Zach be able to climb his mountain

again? Will Jessie find the wandering nomad she thinks she loves? Life is

complicated enough for Zach and Jessie, and a madman on the loose doesn't help.

Enter a contest to win a copy of THE ATTACHÉ, and Learn more about this novel

at: http://www.authordavidbond.com/newest.php

A couple questions for type 1's using pumps

I trust you guys will forgive me for stepping outside our list guidelines by

posting a message slightly off topic. What guidelines, you ask? Okay, now

that that's settled...

My next novel involves a newly diagnosed type 1 who I haven't yet figured

out if she will wear a pump, or inject.

I'm going to proceed for now with her using a pump. The story will get ugly

at some point, with the " bad guy " trying to get rid of this woman.

I was initially figuring how someone could use an overdose of insulin

(Humalog) to do the job, which might have been a bit easier if she used an

insulin pen. But, if she's using a pump, I'm thinking this wouldn't be too

easy.

And this is why I need to hear from some pumpers. Can you think of a

scenario where someone could initiate an overdose? Perhaps if she were

sleeping, and this bad guy could push a button or 2 without her knowing? If

I can't come up with some plausible way for the bad guy to do her in

(actually it will amount to an attempt to do her in) via an overdose of

insulin, I'll have to consider some other method.

The list is quiet enough so I don't think you need to send replies

privately.

Thanks!

Dave

~~ THE ATTACHÉ -- From Desert Breeze Publishing ~~

Released January, 2012, this debut EBook full-length novel is about a man

who loses his sight, his struggle to find his way, and his growing

attraction to a woman who has a problem of her own. Will Zach be able to

climb his mountain again? Will Jessie find the wandering nomad she thinks

she loves? Life is complicated enough for Zach and Jessie, and a madman on

the loose doesn't help.

Enter a contest to win a copy of THE ATTACHÉ, and Learn more about this

novel at: http://www.authordavidbond.com/newest.php

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[Guest guest]

Well, my bad guy is cozy enough with her since he's her fiancé! Still, if the

pump beeps, I'm thinking she'll need to be out of it, probably in a stupor, as

Pat brought up.

Many thanks!

Dave

~~ THE ATTACHÉ -- From Desert Breeze Publishing ~~

Released January, 2012, this debut EBook full-length novel is about a man who

loses his sight, his struggle to find his way, and his growing attraction to a

woman who has a problem of her own. Will Zach be able to climb his mountain

again? Will Jessie find the wandering nomad she thinks she loves? Life is

complicated enough for Zach and Jessie, and a madman on the loose doesn't help.

Enter a contest to win a copy of THE ATTACHÉ, and Learn more about this novel

at: http://www.authordavidbond.com/newest.php

A couple questions for type 1's using pumps

I trust you guys will forgive me for stepping outside our list guidelines by

posting a message slightly off topic. What guidelines, you ask? Okay, now

that that's settled...

My next novel involves a newly diagnosed type 1 who I haven't yet figured

out if she will wear a pump, or inject.

I'm going to proceed for now with her using a pump. The story will get ugly

at some point, with the " bad guy " trying to get rid of this woman.

I was initially figuring how someone could use an overdose of insulin

(Humalog) to do the job, which might have been a bit easier if she used an

insulin pen. But, if she's using a pump, I'm thinking this wouldn't be too

easy.

And this is why I need to hear from some pumpers. Can you think of a

scenario where someone could initiate an overdose? Perhaps if she were

sleeping, and this bad guy could push a button or 2 without her knowing? If

I can't come up with some plausible way for the bad guy to do her in

(actually it will amount to an attempt to do her in) via an overdose of

insulin, I'll have to consider some other method.

The list is quiet enough so I don't think you need to send replies

privately.

Thanks!

Dave

~~ THE ATTACHÉ -- From Desert Breeze Publishing ~~

Released January, 2012, this debut EBook full-length novel is about a man

who loses his sight, his struggle to find his way, and his growing

attraction to a woman who has a problem of her own. Will Zach be able to

climb his mountain again? Will Jessie find the wandering nomad she thinks

she loves? Life is complicated enough for Zach and Jessie, and a madman on

the loose doesn't help.

Enter a contest to win a copy of THE ATTACHÉ, and Learn more about this

novel at: http://www.authordavidbond.com/newest.php

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Well, I sort of am the bad guy since I have to think like a devious criminal

to write the part!

Dave

~~ THE ATTACHÉ -- From Desert Breeze Publishing ~~

Released January, 2012, this debut EBook full-length novel is about a man

who loses his sight, his struggle to find his way, and his growing

attraction to a woman who has a problem of her own. Will Zach be able to

climb his mountain again? Will Jessie find the wandering nomad she thinks

she loves? Life is complicated enough for Zach and Jessie, and a madman on

the loose doesn't help.

Enter a contest to win a copy of THE ATTACHÉ, and Learn more about this

novel at: http://www.authordavidbond.com/newest.php

A couple questions for type 1's using pumps

>

>

>>I trust you guys will forgive me for stepping outside our list guidelines

>>by

>> posting a message slightly off topic. What guidelines, you ask? Okay, now

>> that that's settled...

>>

>> My next novel involves a newly diagnosed type 1 who I haven't yet figured

>> out if she will wear a pump, or inject.

>>

>> I'm going to proceed for now with her using a pump. The story will get

>> ugly

>> at some point, with the " bad guy " trying to get rid of this woman.

>>

>> I was initially figuring how someone could use an overdose of insulin

>> (Humalog) to do the job, which might have been a bit easier if she used

>> an

>> insulin pen. But, if she's using a pump, I'm thinking this wouldn't be

>> too

>> easy.

>>

>> And this is why I need to hear from some pumpers. Can you think of a

>> scenario where someone could initiate an overdose? Perhaps if she were

>> sleeping, and this bad guy could push a button or 2 without her knowing?

>> If

>> I can't come up with some plausible way for the bad guy to do her in

>> (actually it will amount to an attempt to do her in) via an overdose of

>> insulin, I'll have to consider some other method.

>>

>> The list is quiet enough so I don't think you need to send replies

>> privately.

>>

>> Thanks!

>>

>> Dave

>>

>>

>> ~~ THE ATTACHÉ -- From Desert Breeze Publishing ~~

>>

>> Released January, 2012, this debut EBook full-length novel is about a man

>> who loses his sight, his struggle to find his way, and his growing

>> attraction to a woman who has a problem of her own. Will Zach be able to

>> climb his mountain again? Will Jessie find the wandering nomad she thinks

>> she loves? Life is complicated enough for Zach and Jessie, and a madman

>> on

>> the loose doesn't help.

>>

>> Enter a contest to win a copy of THE ATTACHÉ, and Learn more about this

>> novel at: http://www.authordavidbond.com/newest.php

>>

>>

>>

>>

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>>

>>

[Guest guest]

I use a Medtronic MiniMed Paradigm Rebel, and I

have it set to vibrate when keying in a

bolus. If I were a sleep and if someone could

slip the pump out of my pajama pocket where I

keep it clipped, they would stand a good

probability of keying in a bolus without my

knowledge. I have the pump set for a 10 unit bolus max.

Danny

At 06:01 PM 2/1/2012, you wrote:

>

>

>It would be rather difficult for someone else besides the person wearing the

>pump, to hit the pump button enough times to OD the person. Every pump I

>know of makes a beeping noise when you it the pump and usually the pump is

>not set up for than 1 unit at a time to inject. I have a friend who was

>diagnosed with a terminal brain tumor wh, we surmise, over dosed himself to

>death because he knew he was not going live much longer anyway. One way the

> " bad guy " could use the pum would be to get the woman very drunk and when

>she passed out, use the pump to give her a huge dose. On top of the

>alchohol putting her liverinto not giving out glucogon, the xtra insulin

>could also help.

>

> A couple questions for type 1's using pumps

>

>I trust you guys will forgive me for stepping outside our list guidelines by

>

>posting a message slightly off topic. What guidelines, you ask? Okay, now

>that that's settled...

>

>My next novel involves a newly diagnosed type 1 who I haven't yet figured

>out if she will wear a pump, or inject.

>

>I'm going to proceed for now with her using a pump. The story will get ugly

>at some point, with the " bad guy " trying to get rid of this woman.

>

>I was initially figuring how someone could use an overdose of insulin

>(Humalog) to do the job, which might have been a bit easier if she used an

>insulin pen. But, if she's using a pump, I'm thinking this wouldn't be too

>easy.

>

>And this is why I need to hear from some pumpers. Can you think of a

>scenario where someone could initiate an overdose? Perhaps if she were

>sleeping, and this bad guy could push a button or 2 without her knowing? If

>I can't come up with some plausible way for the bad guy to do her in

>(actually it will amount to an attempt to do her in) via an overdose of

>insulin, I'll have to consider some other method.

>

>The list is quiet enough so I don't think you need to send replies

>privately.

>

>Thanks!

>

>Dave

>

>~~ THE ATTACHÉ -- From Desert Breeze Publishing ~~

>

>Released January, 2012, this debut EBook full-length novel is about a man

>who loses his sight, his struggle to find his way, and his growing

>attraction to a woman who has a problem of her own. Will Zach be able to

>climb his mountain again? Will Jessie find the wandering nomad she thinks

>she loves? Life is complicated enough for Zach and Jessie, and a madman on

>the loose doesn't help.

>

>Enter a contest to win a copy of THE ATTACHÉ, and Learn more about this

>novel at:

><http://www.authordavidbond.com/newest.php>http://www.authordavidbond.com/newes\

t.php

>

>------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Whether the pump beeps with each button press depends on the pump

settings and also the method used. Using the touch/audio bolus feature

(which is probably how most of us bolus) does make the pump beep or

vibrate. Going through the menus, however, often doesn't, and is also

faster. There usually is a limit on the amount the pump will allow

delivered at once, though, before blocking delivery.

The easiest way to overdose someone, particularly if the bad guy doesn't

know how to actually program the pump, would be to unscrew the cartridge

cap, take out the cartridge (still connected to the tubing and infusion

set), and press the plunger down manually. If the pump had just been

filled this could deliver 200-300 units of insulin, which is more than

enough to kill a Type 1. The pump DOES freak out and alarm when you

remove the cartridge, but usually only after 30 seconds or so, which is

more than enough time to deliver the huge " manual " bolus. Taking the

cartridge out would also get around the above-mentioned maximum bolus issue.

If you need the victim to not actually die, I'm sure 200-300 units going

into an infusion set would sting enough to wake someone up, unless they

were a deep sleeper. Of course, the person would need to get medical

assistance ASAP with that much insulin on board, but it would be a

pretty easy fix once they got hooked up to a glucose IV for a few hours.

Jen

[Guest guest]

Hmmm. My original thought was my character used insulin pens, and the bad guy

would somehow inject her--probably as she slept.

Do pumpers ever use pens? Do you start out using pens before switching totally

to a pump? Is there a possibility my character would have an insulin pen

somewhere in the house, and the bad guy would get it and try to overdose her?

The trouble is, even if she was asleep, the sting of the needle would probably

wake her. I probably do need to have her partially, or mostly drunk. But this

can work nicely (for the story!).

Thanks all!

Dave

~~ THE ATTACHÉ -- From Desert Breeze Publishing ~~

Released January, 2012, this debut EBook full-length novel is about a man who

loses his sight, his struggle to find his way, and his growing attraction to a

woman who has a problem of her own. Will Zach be able to climb his mountain

again? Will Jessie find the wandering nomad she thinks she loves? Life is

complicated enough for Zach and Jessie, and a madman on the loose doesn't help.

Enter a contest to win a copy of THE ATTACHÉ, and Learn more about this novel

at: http://www.authordavidbond.com/newest.php

Re: A couple questions for type 1's using pumps

Whether the pump beeps with each button press depends on the pump

settings and also the method used. Using the touch/audio bolus feature

(which is probably how most of us bolus) does make the pump beep or

vibrate. Going through the menus, however, often doesn't, and is also

faster. There usually is a limit on the amount the pump will allow

delivered at once, though, before blocking delivery.

The easiest way to overdose someone, particularly if the bad guy doesn't

know how to actually program the pump, would be to unscrew the cartridge

cap, take out the cartridge (still connected to the tubing and infusion

set), and press the plunger down manually. If the pump had just been

filled this could deliver 200-300 units of insulin, which is more than

enough to kill a Type 1. The pump DOES freak out and alarm when you

remove the cartridge, but usually only after 30 seconds or so, which is

more than enough time to deliver the huge " manual " bolus. Taking the

cartridge out would also get around the above-mentioned maximum bolus issue.

If you need the victim to not actually die, I'm sure 200-300 units going

into an infusion set would sting enough to wake someone up, unless they

were a deep sleeper. Of course, the person would need to get medical

assistance ASAP with that much insulin on board, but it would be a

pretty easy fix once they got hooked up to a glucose IV for a few hours.

Jen

[Guest guest]

Pumpers should always have backup rapid-acting insulin available (pens

or vial and syringes) in case of a pump problem. So yes, she would have

a pen or vial and syringes somewhere nearby.

I've heard of newly-diagnosed people going on the pump within months of

diagnosis, so it's not unheard of, but I think it's more common for

newly-diagnosed people to spend the first year (at least) on MDI before

moving to a pump.

Jen

>

> Hmmm. My original thought was my character used insulin pens, and the

> bad guy would somehow inject her--probably as she slept.

>

> Do pumpers ever use pens? Do you start out using pens before switching

> totally to a pump? Is there a possibility my character would have an

> insulin pen somewhere in the house, and the bad guy would get it and

> try to overdose her? The trouble is, even if she was asleep, the sting

> of the needle would probably wake her. I probably do need to have her

> partially, or mostly drunk. But this can work nicely (for the story!).

>

> Thanks all!

>

> Dave

>

[Guest guest]

I keep insulin syringes on hand along with a

count a dose just in case an infusion site goes

bad, If this happens my bg goes high. I need to

inject an immediate dose of insulin to bring my bg down.

Danny

At 10:33 PM 2/1/2012, you wrote:

>

>

>Hmmm. My original thought was my character used

>insulin pens, and the bad guy would somehow inject her--probably as she slept.

>

>Do pumpers ever use pens? Do you start out using

>pens before switching totally to a pump? Is

>there a possibility my character would have an

>insulin pen somewhere in the house, and the bad

>guy would get it and try to overdose her? The

>trouble is, even if she was asleep, the sting of

>the needle would probably wake her. I probably

>do need to have her partially, or mostly drunk.

>But this can work nicely (for the story!).

>

>Thanks all!

>

>Dave

>

>~~ THE ATTACHÉ -- From Desert Breeze Publishing ~~

>

>Released January, 2012, this debut EBook

>full-length novel is about a man who loses his

>sight, his struggle to find his way, and his

>growing attraction to a woman who has a problem

>of her own. Will Zach be able to climb his

>mountain again? Will Jessie find the wandering

>nomad she thinks she loves? Life is complicated

>enough for Zach and Jessie, and a madman on the loose doesn't help.

>

>Enter a contest to win a copy of THE ATTACHÉ,

>and Learn more about this novel at:

><http://www.authordavidbond.com/newest.php>http://www.authordavidbond.com/newes\

t.php

>

> Re: A couple questions for type 1's using pumps

>

>Whether the pump beeps with each button press depends on the pump

>settings and also the method used. Using the touch/audio bolus feature

>(which is probably how most of us bolus) does make the pump beep or

>vibrate. Going through the menus, however, often doesn't, and is also

>faster. There usually is a limit on the amount the pump will allow

>delivered at once, though, before blocking delivery.

>

>The easiest way to overdose someone, particularly if the bad guy doesn't

>know how to actually program the pump, would be to unscrew the cartridge

>cap, take out the cartridge (still connected to the tubing and infusion

>set), and press the plunger down manually. If the pump had just been

>filled this could deliver 200-300 units of insulin, which is more than

>enough to kill a Type 1. The pump DOES freak out and alarm when you

>remove the cartridge, but usually only after 30 seconds or so, which is

>more than enough time to deliver the huge " manual " bolus. Taking the

>cartridge out would also get around the above-mentioned maximum bolus issue.

>

>If you need the victim to not actually die, I'm sure 200-300 units going

>into an infusion set would sting enough to wake someone up, unless they

>were a deep sleeper. Of course, the person would need to get medical

>assistance ASAP with that much insulin on board, but it would be a

>pretty easy fix once they got hooked up to a glucose IV for a few hours.

>

>Jen

>

>

[Guest guest]

Okay, this helps me. My character is newly diagnosed, and she will of course

encounter some problems, thus have to use a pen now and then, even if she were

transitioning to a pump.

Thanks to all!

Dave

~~ THE ATTACHÉ -- From Desert Breeze Publishing ~~

Released January, 2012, this debut EBook full-length novel is about a man who

loses his sight, his struggle to find his way, and his growing attraction to a

woman who has a problem of her own. Will Zach be able to climb his mountain

again? Will Jessie find the wandering nomad she thinks she loves? Life is

complicated enough for Zach and Jessie, and a madman on the loose doesn't help.

Enter a contest to win a copy of THE ATTACHÉ, and Learn more about this novel

at: http://www.authordavidbond.com/newest.php

Re: A couple questions for type 1's using pumps

Pumpers should always have backup rapid-acting insulin available (pens

or vial and syringes) in case of a pump problem. So yes, she would have

a pen or vial and syringes somewhere nearby.

I've heard of newly-diagnosed people going on the pump within months of

diagnosis, so it's not unheard of, but I think it's more common for

newly-diagnosed people to spend the first year (at least) on MDI before

moving to a pump.

Jen

>

> Hmmm. My original thought was my character used insulin pens, and the

> bad guy would somehow inject her--probably as she slept.

>

> Do pumpers ever use pens? Do you start out using pens before switching

> totally to a pump? Is there a possibility my character would have an

> insulin pen somewhere in the house, and the bad guy would get it and

> try to overdose her? The trouble is, even if she was asleep, the sting

> of the needle would probably wake her. I probably do need to have her

> partially, or mostly drunk. But this can work nicely (for the story!).

>

> Thanks all!

>

> Dave

>

[Guest guest]

Regarding Humalog pens The maximum dose of Humalog a single pen can deliver is

60 units in a single dose. Therefore one contempplating suicide or murder would

have to prepare several pens for injection. Five pens come in a pack.

[Guest guest]

I'm thinking 60 units of Humalog is plenty. I'm also thinking it may vary from

person to person. If my character is small, perhaps underweight, maybe a dose of

even 30 units would be enough to do her in. Especially if her bg was already

low, and if she happened to also have had some recent exercise. I'm considering

a hiking scenario where they're hiking and low on food, and the bad guy knows

enough to make sure they didn't have enough with them. He could even force an

overdose by jabbing her with the pen while holding her in his grip. An autopsy

could be inconclusive and chalk her overdose up to lack of knowledge and

inexperience.

Dave

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Re: A couple questions for type 1's using pumps

Regarding Humalog pens The maximum dose of Humalog a single pen can deliver is

60 units in a single dose. Therefore one contempplating suicide or murder would

have to prepare several pens for injection. Five pens come in a pack.

[Guest guest]

For the record, I don't write murder/mysteries. My female diabetic doesn't die

in the end. What I said in my previous message sounds like she's a goner. I

should have said, should there be an autopsy, it would be inconclusive.

Dave

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woman who has a problem of her own. Will Zach be able to climb his mountain

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complicated enough for Zach and Jessie, and a madman on the loose doesn't help.

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Re: A couple questions for type 1's using pumps

Regarding Humalog pens The maximum dose of Humalog a single pen can deliver is

60 units in a single dose. Therefore one contempplating suicide or murder would

have to prepare several pens for injection. Five pens come in a pack.

[Guest guest]

Sounds good Dave!

_____

From: blind-diabetics

[mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of dave Bond

Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 7:38 AM

To: blind-diabetics

Subject: Re: A couple questions for type 1's using pumps

I'm thinking 60 units of Humalog is plenty. I'm also thinking it may vary

from person to person. If my character is small, perhaps underweight, maybe

a dose of even 30 units would be enough to do her in. Especially if her bg

was already low, and if she happened to also have had some recent exercise.

I'm considering a hiking scenario where they're hiking and low on food, and

the bad guy knows enough to make sure they didn't have enough with them. He

could even force an overdose by jabbing her with the pen while holding her

in his grip. An autopsy could be inconclusive and chalk her overdose up to

lack of knowledge and inexperience.

Dave

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Released January, 2012, this debut EBook full-length novel is about a man

who loses his sight, his struggle to find his way, and his growing

attraction to a woman who has a problem of her own. Will Zach be able to

climb his mountain again? Will Jessie find the wandering nomad she thinks

she loves? Life is complicated enough for Zach and Jessie, and a madman on

the loose doesn't help.

Enter a contest to win a copy of THE ATTACHÉ, and Learn more about this

novel at: http://www.authordavidbond.com/newest.php

Re: A couple questions for type 1's using pumps

Regarding Humalog pens The maximum dose of Humalog a single pen can deliver

is 60 units in a single dose. Therefore one contempplating suicide or murder

would have to prepare several pens for injection. Five pens come in a pack.

[Guest guest]

K, I had put my needle in a bad place and was not absorbing the insulin, so

after 6 hurs. of really high BG, I use a syringe and move the needle to a

new site. I do the same thing Danny. Last we

_____

From: blind-diabetics

[mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of Danny wells

Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 3:30 AM

To: blind-diabetics

Subject: Re: A couple questions for type 1's using pumps

I keep insulin syringes on hand along with a

count a dose just in case an infusion site goes

bad, If this happens my bg goes high. I need to

inject an immediate dose of insulin to bring my bg down.

Danny

At 10:33 PM 2/1/2012, you wrote:

>

>

>Hmmm. My original thought was my character used

>insulin pens, and the bad guy would somehow inject her--probably as she

slept.

>

>Do pumpers ever use pens? Do you start out using

>pens before switching totally to a pump? Is

>there a possibility my character would have an

>insulin pen somewhere in the house, and the bad

>guy would get it and try to overdose her? The

>trouble is, even if she was asleep, the sting of

>the needle would probably wake her. I probably

>do need to have her partially, or mostly drunk.

>But this can work nicely (for the story!).

>

>Thanks all!

>

>Dave

>

>~~ THE ATTACHÉ -- From Desert Breeze Publishing ~~

>

>Released January, 2012, this debut EBook

>full-length novel is about a man who loses his

>sight, his struggle to find his way, and his

>growing attraction to a woman who has a problem

>of her own. Will Zach be able to climb his

>mountain again? Will Jessie find the wandering

>nomad she thinks she loves? Life is complicated

>enough for Zach and Jessie, and a madman on the loose doesn't help.

>

>Enter a contest to win a copy of THE ATTACHÉ,

>and Learn more about this novel at:

><http://www.authordavidbond.com/newest.php>http://www.authordavidbond.com/n

ewest.php

>

> Re: A couple questions for type 1's using pumps

>

>Whether the pump beeps with each button press depends on the pump

>settings and also the method used. Using the touch/audio bolus feature

>(which is probably how most of us bolus) does make the pump beep or

>vibrate. Going through the menus, however, often doesn't, and is also

>faster. There usually is a limit on the amount the pump will allow

>delivered at once, though, before blocking delivery.

>

>The easiest way to overdose someone, particularly if the bad guy doesn't

>know how to actually program the pump, would be to unscrew the cartridge

>cap, take out the cartridge (still connected to the tubing and infusion

>set), and press the plunger down manually. If the pump had just been

>filled this could deliver 200-300 units of insulin, which is more than

>enough to kill a Type 1. The pump DOES freak out and alarm when you

>remove the cartridge, but usually only after 30 seconds or so, which is

>more than enough time to deliver the huge " manual " bolus. Taking the

>cartridge out would also get around the above-mentioned maximum bolus

issue.

>

>If you need the victim to not actually die, I'm sure 200-300 units going

>into an infusion set would sting enough to wake someone up, unless they

>were a deep sleeper. Of course, the person would need to get medical

>assistance ASAP with that much insulin on board, but it would be a

>pretty easy fix once they got hooked up to a glucose IV for a few hours.

>

>Jen

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's important to keep insulin on hand because if a pump site is bad, it

takes mere hours for blood sugar to skyrocket (since there is no

long-acting insulin on board).

The other day I had a bad site (wasn't absorbing well) and it took all

of three hours after putting it in for my blood sugar to go from normal

to 18.3 (329 mg/dl), along with ketones ... Had to change the site and

take a shot. One of the few disadvantages of the pump!

Jen

[Guest guest]

I'm getting duplicates.

Becky

Re: A couple questions for type 1's using pumps

>

>Whether the pump beeps with each button press depends on the pump

>settings and also the method used. Using the touch/audio bolus feature

>(which is probably how most of us bolus) does make the pump beep or

>vibrate. Going through the menus, however, often doesn't, and is also

>faster. There usually is a limit on the amount the pump will allow

>delivered at once, though, before blocking delivery.

>

>The easiest way to overdose someone, particularly if the bad guy doesn't

>know how to actually program the pump, would be to unscrew the cartridge

>cap, take out the cartridge (still connected to the tubing and infusion

>set), and press the plunger down manually. If the pump had just been

>filled this could deliver 200-300 units of insulin, which is more than

>enough to kill a Type 1. The pump DOES freak out and alarm when you

>remove the cartridge, but usually only after 30 seconds or so, which is

>more than enough time to deliver the huge " manual " bolus. Taking the

>cartridge out would also get around the above-mentioned maximum bolus

issue.

>

>If you need the victim to not actually die, I'm sure 200-300 units going

>into an infusion set would sting enough to wake someone up, unless they

>were a deep sleeper. Of course, the person would need to get medical

>assistance ASAP with that much insulin on board, but it would be a

>pretty easy fix once they got hooked up to a glucose IV for a few hours.

>

>Jen

>

>

[Guest guest]

Pat, I find that a bolus that is 10 units or

greater is more likely to result in a bad

infusion site, so when I have a bad site I will

take a bolus with a syringe inter muscularly in

my upper arm. Shooting ynhe my muscle seems to

act more quickly in bringing down my bg than if I shoot sub Q.

Danny

At 12:57 PM 2/2/2012, you wrote:

>

>

>K, I had put my needle in a bad place and was not absorbing the insulin, so

>after 6 hurs. of really high BG, I use a syringe and move the needle to a

>new site. I do the same thing Danny. Last we

>

>_____

>

>From:

><mailto:blind-diabetics%40yahoogroups.com>blind-diabetics

>[mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of Danny wells

>Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 3:30 AM

>To: <mailto:blind-diabetics%40yahoogroups.com>blind-diabetics

>Subject: Re: A couple questions for type 1's using pumps

>

>I keep insulin syringes on hand along with a

>count a dose just in case an infusion site goes

>bad, If this happens my bg goes high. I need to

>inject an immediate dose of insulin to bring my bg down.

>

>Danny

>

>At 10:33 PM 2/1/2012, you wrote:

> >

> >

> >Hmmm. My original thought was my character used

> >insulin pens, and the bad guy would somehow inject her--probably as she

>slept.

> >

> >Do pumpers ever use pens? Do you start out using

> >pens before switching totally to a pump? Is

> >there a possibility my character would have an

> >insulin pen somewhere in the house, and the bad

> >guy would get it and try to overdose her? The

> >trouble is, even if she was asleep, the sting of

> >the needle would probably wake her. I probably

> >do need to have her partially, or mostly drunk.

> >But this can work nicely (for the story!).

> >

> >Thanks all!

> >

> >Dave

> >

> >~~ THE ATTACHÉ -- From Desert Breeze Publishing ~~

> >

> >Released January, 2012, this debut EBook

> >full-length novel is about a man who loses his

> >sight, his struggle to find his way, and his

> >growing attraction to a woman who has a problem

> >of her own. Will Zach be able to climb his

> >mountain again? Will Jessie find the wandering

> >nomad she thinks she loves? Life is complicated

> >enough for Zach and Jessie, and a madman on the loose doesn't help.

> >

> >Enter a contest to win a copy of THE ATTACHÉ,

> >and Learn more about this novel at:

> ><<http://www.authordavidbond.com/newest.php>htt

> p://www.authordavidbond.com/newest.php>http://www.authordavidbond.com/n

>ewest.php

> >

> > Re: A couple questions for type 1's using pumps

> >

> >Whether the pump beeps with each button press depends on the pump

> >settings and also the method used. Using the touch/audio bolus feature

> >(which is probably how most of us bolus) does make the pump beep or

> >vibrate. Going through the menus, however, often doesn't, and is also

> >faster. There usually is a limit on the amount the pump will allow

> >delivered at once, though, before blocking delivery.

> >

> >The easiest way to overdose someone, particularly if the bad guy doesn't

> >know how to actually program the pump, would be to unscrew the cartridge

> >cap, take out the cartridge (still connected to the tubing and infusion

> >set), and press the plunger down manually. If the pump had just been

> >filled this could deliver 200-300 units of insulin, which is more than

> >enough to kill a Type 1. The pump DOES freak out and alarm when you

> >remove the cartridge, but usually only after 30 seconds or so, which is

> >more than enough time to deliver the huge " manual " bolus. Taking the

> >cartridge out would also get around the above-mentioned maximum bolus

>issue.

> >

> >If you need the victim to not actually die, I'm sure 200-300 units going

> >into an infusion set would sting enough to wake someone up, unless they

> >were a deep sleeper. Of course, the person would need to get medical

> >assistance ASAP with that much insulin on board, but it would be a

> >pretty easy fix once they got hooked up to a glucose IV for a few hours.

> >

> >Jen

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Do pumps have both short and long acting insulin's?

Unrelated to the previous question, would it be realistic for my character to

have a Lantus (long acting) insulin pen with her on this outdoor excursion?

the bad guy while knowing a little about her diabetes, isn't educated enough to

know the difference between insulin's, and injects her with an overdose of

Lantus. He leaves her stranded supposedly to go for help, thinking she's done

for. If it wouldn't be realistic for her to carry a Lantus pen with her, I may

have to come up with a way to make this excursion an overnight thing.

Perhaps I should ask, do those of you using pumps have pens or a means to inject

both types of insulin?

Thanks.

Dave

~~ THE ATTACHÉ -- From Desert Breeze Publishing ~~

Released January, 2012, this debut EBook full-length novel is about a man who

loses his sight, his struggle to find his way, and his growing attraction to a

woman who has a problem of her own. Will Zach be able to climb his mountain

again? Will Jessie find the wandering nomad she thinks she loves? Life is

complicated enough for Zach and Jessie, and a madman on the loose doesn't help.

Enter a contest to win a copy of THE ATTACHÉ, and Learn more about this novel

at: http://www.authordavidbond.com/newest.php

Re: A couple questions for type 1's using pumps

It's important to keep insulin on hand because if a pump site is bad, it

takes mere hours for blood sugar to skyrocket (since there is no

long-acting insulin on board).

The other day I had a bad site (wasn't absorbing well) and it took all

of three hours after putting it in for my blood sugar to go from normal

to 18.3 (329 mg/dl), along with ketones ... Had to change the site and

take a shot. One of the few disadvantages of the pump!

Jen

[Guest guest]

LOL I CAME IN ON THE MIDDLE OF THIS THREAD AND IT SOUNDED LIKE SOMEONE WAS

TRYING TO KILL SOMEONE BUT I GOT IT NOW YOUR WRITING A BOOK .

AMY

Re: A couple questions for type 1's using pumps

Regarding Humalog pens The maximum dose of Humalog a single pen can deliver is

60 units in a single dose. Therefore one contempplating suicide or murder would

have to prepare several pens for injection. Five pens come in a pack.

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure about all pumps but I only use Humalog fast-acting insulin in

mine. The insulin you take before ingesting carbs in a meal or snack is

called a bolus. The tiny amount of insulin (anywhere from a fraction of a

unit to over a unit depending on your situation) that is programmed to

administer every hour is called your basal setting. I don't use pens or

anything else with longer-acting insulin in them but others certainly may.

Alan Lemly

Re: A couple questions for type 1's using pumps

Do pumps have both short and long acting insulin's?

Unrelated to the previous question, would it be realistic for my character

to have a Lantus (long acting) insulin pen with her on this outdoor

excursion?

the bad guy while knowing a little about her diabetes, isn't educated enough

to know the difference between insulin's, and injects her with an overdose

of Lantus. He leaves her stranded supposedly to go for help, thinking she's

done for. If it wouldn't be realistic for her to carry a Lantus pen with

her, I may have to come up with a way to make this excursion an overnight

thing.

Perhaps I should ask, do those of you using pumps have pens or a means to

inject both types of insulin?

Thanks.

Dave

~~ THE ATTACHÉ -- From Desert Breeze Publishing ~~

Released January, 2012, this debut EBook full-length novel is about a man

who loses his sight, his struggle to find his way, and his growing

attraction to a woman who has a problem of her own. Will Zach be able to

climb his mountain again? Will Jessie find the wandering nomad she thinks

she loves? Life is complicated enough for Zach and Jessie, and a madman on

the loose doesn't help.

Enter a contest to win a copy of THE ATTACHÉ, and Learn more about this

novel at: http://www.authordavidbond.com/newest.php

Re: A couple questions for type 1's using pumps

It's important to keep insulin on hand because if a pump site is bad, it

takes mere hours for blood sugar to skyrocket (since there is no

long-acting insulin on board).

The other day I had a bad site (wasn't absorbing well) and it took all

of three hours after putting it in for my blood sugar to go from normal

to 18.3 (329 mg/dl), along with ketones ... Had to change the site and

take a shot. One of the few disadvantages of the pump!

Jen

[Guest guest]

I use only humolog insulin.

Danny

At 02:32 PM 2/2/2012, you wrote:

>

>

>Do pumps have both short and long acting insulin's?

>

>Unrelated to the previous question, would it be

>realistic for my character to have a Lantus

>(long acting) insulin pen with her on this outdoor excursion?

>

>the bad guy while knowing a little about her

>diabetes, isn't educated enough to know the

>difference between insulin's, and injects her

>with an overdose of Lantus. He leaves her

>stranded supposedly to go for help, thinking

>she's done for. If it wouldn't be realistic for

>her to carry a Lantus pen with her, I may have

>to come up with a way to make this excursion an overnight thing.

>

>Perhaps I should ask, do those of you using

>pumps have pens or a means to inject both types of insulin?

>

>Thanks.

>

>Dave

>

>~~ THE ATTACHÉ -- From Desert Breeze Publishing ~~

>

>Released January, 2012, this debut EBook

>full-length novel is about a man who loses his

>sight, his struggle to find his way, and his

>growing attraction to a woman who has a problem

>of her own. Will Zach be able to climb his

>mountain again? Will Jessie find the wandering

>nomad she thinks she loves? Life is complicated

>enough for Zach and Jessie, and a madman on the loose doesn't help.

>

>Enter a contest to win a copy of THE ATTACHÉ,

>and Learn more about this novel at:

><http://www.authordavidbond.com/newest.php>http://www.authordavidbond.com/newes\

t.php

>

> Re: A couple questions for type 1's using pumps

>

>It's important to keep insulin on hand because if a pump site is bad, it

>takes mere hours for blood sugar to skyrocket (since there is no

>long-acting insulin on board).

>

>The other day I had a bad site (wasn't absorbing well) and it took all

>of three hours after putting it in for my blood sugar to go from normal

>to 18.3 (329 mg/dl), along with ketones ... Had to change the site and

>take a shot. One of the few disadvantages of the pump!

>

>Jen

>

>