Re: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...

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Had forgotten about reverse polarity . Our son was same tenna mercient

book has lots of release codes for things including this. Just this

last month our son has taken to sleeping at bottom of bed could not

figure it out but now after him waking at 2 last nite high and not

going back to sleep it makes sense we treat every full moon and never

have problems with night waking last nite first time in 2 years he up

at full moon.

> **Okay I'm gonna throw a really weird " holistic " idea out there. When we saw

> the herbalist/kinesiologist in Indiana, the apprentice suggested that

> Malachi was breech due to a problem with " polarity " . Like the baby really

> *thinks* it's the right position to be in...

>

> In a book I have I read about how Parasites can cause " Reverse Polarity " ,

> changing the flow of energy in the individual cells to go " Southerly " vs.

> " Northerly " (which would be correct).

>

> Something very strange Malachi has been doing since his (extreme) weird

> behavior began a couple months ago, is, he will turn his toys upside down to

> look at them---like LeapFrog toys that have LCD screens on them. Then the

> other day he was watching a cartoon on Netflix on the laptop and he was

> frustrated b/c he wanted to watch the screen up-side down and I said no. Why

> else would he do this unless " upside-down " looks more " normal " to him??

>

> Okay here is an interesting read confirming a lot of the thins we've been

> throwing out there concerning Parasites & Vit A and IgA. Read this link

> under the title: " Complications... "

> http://www.holistic-wellness-basics.com/human-parasites.html

>

>

>

>

>>

>> I don't think it's worms as much as it's protozoa -- which are like

>> microscopic worms. A researcher I know says that he found a protozoa in

>> all of those with autism that he has tested. He further stated that he

>> can not identify the protozoa, feeling that it has not yet been

>> discovered in mainstream science. For the record, some of the

>> antibiotics and worm medications, also kill protozoa. But, the natural

>> things that kill protozoa are also often anti-viral. So, it's still

>> unclear. At this point, I still believe it's best to treat for all

>> pathogen types (protozoa, worms, bacteria, viruses, and yeast). Also,

>> keep in mind that some of those with autism and/or mental retardation

>> are getting it from worms. If you Google, you will learn that having

>> worms while very young can cause mental retardation and all kinds of

>> developmental delays, which would include autism symptoms. So, yes be

>> aware that treating for worms and protozoa should be considered. Also,

>> Google to learn how the testing is very unreliable. The good autism

>> docs know this. It's about getting a good health practitioner that

>> knows about which labs and testing to use or knows how to go by symptoms.

>>

>> Love and prayers,

>>

>> Heidi N

>>

>

>

>

--

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087 2637921

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Is that why they used to tell people to flip their babies when they had their days and nights confused??

-Tammy

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sat, February 19, 2011 3:33:32 AMSubject: Re: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...

Had forgotten about reverse polarity . Our son was same tenna mercientbook has lots of release codes for things including this. Just thislast month our son has taken to sleeping at bottom of bed could notfigure it out but now after him waking at 2 last nite high and notgoing back to sleep it makes sense we treat every full moon and neverhave problems with night waking last nite first time in 2 years he upat full moon.> **Okay I'm gonna throw a really weird "holistic" idea out there. When we saw> the herbalist/kinesiologist in Indiana, the apprentice suggested that> Malachi was breech due to a problem with "polarity". Like the baby really> *thinks* it's the right position to be in...>> In a book I have I

read about how Parasites can cause "Reverse Polarity",> changing the flow of energy in the individual cells to go "Southerly" vs.> "Northerly" (which would be correct).>> Something very strange Malachi has been doing since his (extreme) weird> behavior began a couple months ago, is, he will turn his toys upside down to> look at them---like LeapFrog toys that have LCD screens on them. Then the> other day he was watching a cartoon on Netflix on the laptop and he was> frustrated b/c he wanted to watch the screen up-side down and I said no. Why> else would he do this unless "upside-down" looks more "normal" to him??>> Okay here is an interesting read confirming a lot of the thins we've been> throwing out there concerning Parasites & Vit A and IgA. Read this link> under the title: "Complications...">

http://www.holistic-wellness-basics.com/human-parasites.html>>>> >>>> I don't think it's worms as much as it's protozoa -- which are like>> microscopic worms. A researcher I know says that he found a protozoa in>> all of those with autism that he has tested. He further stated that he>> can not identify the protozoa, feeling that it has not yet been>> discovered in mainstream science. For the record, some of the>> antibiotics and worm medications, also kill protozoa. But, the natural>> things that kill protozoa are also often anti-viral. So, it's still>> unclear. At this point, I still believe it's best to treat for all>> pathogen types (protozoa,

worms, bacteria, viruses, and yeast). Also,>> keep in mind that some of those with autism and/or mental retardation>> are getting it from worms. If you Google, you will learn that having>> worms while very young can cause mental retardation and all kinds of>> developmental delays, which would include autism symptoms. So, yes be>> aware that treating for worms and protozoa should be considered. Also,>> Google to learn how the testing is very unreliable. The good autism>> docs know this. It's about getting a good health practitioner that>> knows about which labs and testing to use or knows how to go by symptoms.>>>> Love and prayers,>>>> Heidi N>>>>>-- Cotter4 Pollerton ManorCarlow059 9134964087 2637921

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Hi Chery.I have tried many, many things for my son, including

iodine. He got very sick on it,just like everything else I

try(except valtrex).Yesterday I found some blood work that had been

done on my son,and his iodine levels where flagged as high.Do you

know why his would be high? It was not at the time that I tried the

iodine on him. Last year I got my son a series

of foot baths and the first few foot baths where so full of a bleach

smell you could hardly be in the same room.Someone said(maybe it was

you) that ,that means my son needs more iodine .The body holds onto

the bleach if it does not have enough iodine. Any thoughts on

why his iodine level was high? Thank You,Tammy F.

Cheryl, is 12.5 mgs a safe dose of iodine? I am

struggling with hair loss and waiting on labs. My son is

hypothyroid. Just wondering where to begin at?

> > >

> > > As this group is now very intereted in

parasites, I wanted to post to this group what I posted to

the borrelia board recently.

> > >

> > > I have been treating myself for lyme,

strep, etc for over 3 years and have been very sick. I was

easily able to relate to my son's illness (AKA autism) and

have him dx with autism before he was 1 years old b/c I

was sooo sick myself with many symptoms similiar to

autism.

> > >

> > > After many, many years of treatment, I am

doing very well, finally, just shortly after beginning an

extensive worm protocol with allinia and an herbal

parasite formula in addition to the augmentin I take for

strep.

> > >

> > > I know many families have found success

treating for yeast, strep, lyme, herpes, measles, but I am

truly wondering if the root of our problem is worms. This

would certainly explain the gut issues and the

malnutrition.

> > >

> > > My son is only about 2 weeks into his worm

protocol, but we are optimistic for great things (he potty

trained in 24 hours.) We have actually stopped his other

supplements b/c I think many are feeding the worms and

will resume once we are further along.

> > >

> > > Caryn

>

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I believe Dr. Oz was talking about some people using worms in their Crohn's disease. I *do not* think he said they were naturally found in the body. But it's a treatment being used to get extra mucous in the intestines to help speed the healing of the gut (I think)

I don't know if it was whipworm, but maybe. Google worm and crohn's.

 

@Christel: Where in the world are you getting this information? If you even try to Google " Whipworm benefits " or Whipworm IgA " or " Whipworm Amazingness " You get NOTHING except " HELP! I'm Infected---Get these sucka's OUT! "

I cannot Google and find ONE benefit!?

From One website:

Symptoms of Whipworm

The list of signs and symptoms mentioned in various sources for Whipworm includes the 8 symptoms listed below:

* No symptoms

* Symptoms of intestinal infestation:

o Intermittent stomach pain

o Bloody stools

o Diarrhea

o Weight loss

o Bloody diarrhea

o Rectal prolapse

This list really doesn't support any claim of benefits! I can't believe that we need to welcome whipworms with our " IgA deficient open arms " and hope they will " give life " to us.

???

>

> actually it BEING the norm can means we are meant to co-exist, which is the point of the whip worms, they keep the mucus in the gut like it should (IGA lining) which you are also linking into the vit A discussion. it being the norm and people NOT having problems WITH having them and our kids being LOW in them and having issues WITH OUT Them suggests we NEED them for proper health.....they treat by taking the the eggs of the whip worms which hatch on their way down and take root (and before you get grossed out- it's really no different then talking about probiotics) it's taking something that is in all bodies (again we ALL have bacteria in our body, we all have yeast in our body, we all have worms in our bodies, we all have parasites in our bodies) its not just kids seeing benefits with the whip worms eggs, it also adults, those with IBD and IBS completely better when reinhibited.....the theory is from it allowing the body to have the mucus lineing that the person can't produce and is our IGA production then needing this and THIS is why we are low when we have IGA issues....

>

>

> From: T Lynn

> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 11:26 PM

> To: mb12 valtrex

> Subject: Re: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...

>

>

>

>

> Just because something is " the norm " , it does not necessarily make it Ok or healthy. Why are GI kids low in whipworm? Could be due to alot of things. Treaments for other symptoms might be killing them off. Bigger, stronger invaders could be taking over....there's a number of possiblities. With that said, there probably aren't as many NT kids walking around with these problems because their bodies are healthy and strong enough to keep parasites at a safe level. Let's not forget that these kids are so ill that their bodies can not handle the same burden as an NT. So, just in the same way many of our children will feel the effects of say... low vitamin d levels more than an NT would, I'm sure the effects would be the same with parasites. The majority of nt's are probably not seeing 3-4 days go by without bowel movements. A chronically constipated child is a perfect host. A child with leaky gut is a perfect host as parasites will develop from undigested food rotting in the gut. These parasites are in a perfect environment to not merely exist, but to thrive in great abundance.

>

> When a 4 year old child poops out a 7 1/2 foot tapeworm, I will never be convinced that it wasn't affecting that baby's health. Thank God for and Stan catching that.

>

> I recently watched a news piece about a woman who was undergoing emergency brain surgery for a " tumor " that turned out to be a worm residing on her brain. The surgeon said this is becoming more and more common and instead of doctors seeing maybe one case in a lifetime, they are seeing multiples!

> So this is something " NT " 's may be dealing with as well. Crazy.

>

> -Tammy

>

>

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------

>

> To: mb12 valtrex

> Sent: Fri, February 18, 2011 10:10:45 PM

> Subject: Re: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...

>

>

>

> I hate to bust this thread but we ALL have worms, and parasites living in our bodies, you can do a quick thread on whip worms and they find people with GI issues are actually LOW in whip worms and it’s being used a treatment. see you can't just look at what our kids have, you have to look at what our kids have that NT kids don't have......

>

>

>

> From: allrpossible@...

> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 9:39 PM

> To: mb12 valtrex

> Subject: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...

>

>

>

> I don't think it's worms as much as it's protozoa -- which are like

> microscopic worms. A researcher I know says that he found a protozoa in

> all of those with autism that he has tested. He further stated that he

> can not identify the protozoa, feeling that it has not yet been

> discovered in mainstream science. For the record, some of the

> antibiotics and worm medications, also kill protozoa. But, the natural

> things that kill protozoa are also often anti-viral. So, it's still

> unclear. At this point, I still believe it's best to treat for all

> pathogen types (protozoa, worms, bacteria, viruses, and yeast). Also,

> keep in mind that some of those with autism and/or mental retardation

> are getting it from worms. If you Google, you will learn that having

> worms while very young can cause mental retardation and all kinds of

> developmental delays, which would include autism symptoms. So, yes be

> aware that treating for worms and protozoa should be considered. Also,

> Google to learn how the testing is very unreliable. The good autism

> docs know this. It's about getting a good health practitioner that

> knows about which labs and testing to use or knows how to go by symptoms.

>

> Love and prayers,

>

> Heidi N

>

-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

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The page I was reading last night over on curezone said that one of the CURES for a worm (tapeworm maybe) was high dose CoQ10. ???

 

I have heard that parasites eat folic acid, B12 and coQ10. This could account for both speech delays and mitochondrial disfunction.

> > > > My son is only about 2 weeks into his worm protocol, but we are optimistic for great things (he potty trained in 24 hours.) We have actually stopped his other supplements b/c I think many are feeding the worms and will resume once we are further along.

> > > >

> > > > Caryn

> >

>

-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

[Guest guest]

http://autismtso.com/about/the_story/

Here's the info about the whip worms and autism. It really is interesting reading, but I don't know where it stands today

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sat, February 19, 2011 10:02:11 AMSubject: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...

I agree. I think we have let the norm get so far from normal most of us accept illness as normal. This putting worms in peoples' bodies really sounds like whacked out science to me. A parasite that attaches to the body and sucks out oxygen, glucose and blood has consequences. It seems to me thr researcher got a "bright" idea that lack of worms created the problems and went with it, unable to look past anything but his own theory. Kinda like some researcher decided that mercury in babies was ok. We have all seen where researchers get focused on their own cause and can make anything they create look good. Granted, the worms may be doing some good (a few people report relief of symptoms) but to what extent is the rest of the body suffering? Why use a known parasite that can and does cause illness when giving the body something it needs and is lacking would accomplish the same end? Kinda like the really expensive drug for

Alzheimers they created cause there was sooo much of a certain peptide in the brains of Alzheimers patients that they assumed it must be the cause ! Only when given this drug the Alzheimers got worse and many died. Ooops. Turns out the amyloid beta peptides were protecting the brains. I think what this worm researcher did (besides the inability to get past his own theory) and so many others do, is look at portions of the body in isolation. They isolate the GI tract, the liver, the reproductive organs, etc. They fail to consider the body as a whole. The end result for worm theory is that it helps the intestine create mucus. Colitis is thought to be a lack of mucus. Iodine deficient bodies cant creat mucus as efficiently as iodine sufficient bodies. Need mucus? Got Iodine?Cheryl >> Just because something is "the norm",  it does not necessarily make it Ok or > healthy. Why are GI kids low in whipworm? Could be due to alot of things. > Treaments for other symptoms might be killing them off. Bigger, stronger > invaders could be taking over....there's a number of possiblities. With that > said, there probably aren't as many NT kids walking around with these problems > because their bodies are healthy and strong enough to keep parasites at a safe > level. Let's not forget that these kids are so ill that their bodies can not > handle the same burden as an NT. So, just in the same way many of our children > will feel the effects of say... low vitamin d levels

more than an NT would, I'm > sure the effects would be the same with parasites. The majority of nt's are > probably not seeing 3-4 days go by without bowel movements. A chronically > constipated child is a perfect host. A child with leaky gut is a perfect host > as parasites will develop from undigested food rotting in the gut. These > parasites are in a perfect environment to not merely exist, but to thrive in > great abundance.   > > > When a 4 year old child poops out a 7 1/2 foot tapeworm, I will never be > convinced that it wasn't affecting that baby's health. Thank God for and > Stan catching that.> >  I recently watched a news piece about a woman who was undergoing emergency > brain surgery for a "tumor" that turned out to be a worm residing on her brain. > The

surgeon said this is becoming more and more common and instead of doctors > seeing maybe one case in a lifetime, they are seeing multiples! > So this is something "NT" 's may be dealing with as well.  Crazy.> > -Tammy> > > > ________________________________> > To: mb12 valtrex > Sent: Fri, February 18, 2011 10:10:45 PM> Subject: Re: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...> >  > I hate to bust this thread but we ALL have worms, and parasites living in our > bodies, you can do a quick thread on whip worms and they find people with GI > issues are actually LOW in whip worms and it’s being used a

treatment. see you > can't just look at what our kids have, you have to look at what our kids have > that NT kids don't have......> > > > From: allrpossible@... > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 9:39 PM> To: mb12 valtrex > Subject: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...>  > I don't think it's worms as much as it's protozoa -- which are like > microscopic worms. A researcher I know says that he found a protozoa in > all of those with autism that he has tested. He further stated that he > can not identify the protozoa, feeling that it has not yet been > discovered in mainstream science. For the record, some of the > antibiotics and worm medications, also kill protozoa. But, the

natural > things that kill protozoa are also often anti-viral. So, it's still > unclear. At this point, I still believe it's best to treat for all > pathogen types (protozoa, worms, bacteria, viruses, and yeast). Also, > keep in mind that some of those with autism and/or mental retardation > are getting it from worms. If you Google, you will learn that having > worms while very young can cause mental retardation and all kinds of > developmental delays, which would include autism symptoms. So, yes be > aware that treating for worms and protozoa should be considered. Also, > Google to learn how the testing is very unreliable. The good autism > docs know this. It's about getting a good health practitioner that > knows about which labs and testing to use or knows how to go by symptoms.> > Love and prayers,> > Heidi

N>

[Guest guest]

no it's the LACK of worms in the GI tract missing that are causing issues

From: Caryn_Reid

Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 9:46 AM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...

I don't necessarily think the worms causing autism are in the digestive tract. This is why DANs are missing them.>> I hate to bust this thread but we ALL have worms, and parasites living in our bodies, you can do a quick thread on whip worms and they find people with GI issues are actually LOW in whip worms and it's being used a treatment. see you can't just look at what our kids have, you have to look at what our kids have that NT kids don't have......> > > > From: allrpossible@... > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 9:39 PM> To: mb12 valtrex > Subject: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...> > > > I don't think it's worms as much as it's protozoa -- which are like > microscopic worms. A researcher I know says that he found a protozoa in > all of those with autism that he has tested. He further stated that he > can not identify the protozoa, feeling that it has not yet been > discovered in mainstream science. For the record, some of the > antibiotics and worm medications, also kill protozoa. But, the natural > things that kill protozoa are also often anti-viral. So, it's still > unclear. At this point, I still believe it's best to treat for all > pathogen types (protozoa, worms, bacteria, viruses, and yeast). Also, > keep in mind that some of those with autism and/or mental retardation > are getting it from worms. If you Google, you will learn that having > worms while very young can cause mental retardation and all kinds of > developmental delays, which would include autism symptoms. So, yes be > aware that treating for worms and protozoa should be considered. Also, > Google to learn how the testing is very unreliable. The good autism > docs know this. It's about getting a good health practitioner that > knows about which labs and testing to use or knows how to go by symptoms.> > Love and prayers,> > Heidi N>

[Guest guest]

no he showed how they had researched contries with no GI issues and to compare and that was how they found it in health subjects verses the sick subjects, they showed PICTURES Of it......it was VERY interesting! its how they came up with the treatment

From: Toni Marie Lombardo

Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 9:45 AM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...

I believe Dr. Oz was talking about some people using worms in their Crohn's disease. I *do not* think he said they were naturally found in the body. But it's a treatment being used to get extra mucous in the intestines to help speed the healing of the gut (I think)I don't know if it was whipworm, but maybe. Google worm and crohn's.

@Christel: Where in the world are you getting this information? If you even try to Google "Whipworm benefits" or Whipworm IgA" or "Whipworm Amazingness" You get NOTHING except "HELP! I'm Infected---Get these sucka's OUT!"I cannot Google and find ONE benefit!?From One website:Symptoms of WhipwormThe list of signs and symptoms mentioned in various sources for Whipworm includes the 8 symptoms listed below:* No symptoms* Symptoms of intestinal infestation:o Intermittent stomach paino Bloody stoolso Diarrheao Weight losso Bloody diarrheao Rectal prolapse This list really doesn't support any claim of benefits! I can't believe that we need to welcome whipworms with our "IgA deficient open arms" and hope they will "give life" to us.???

>

> actually it BEING the norm can means we are meant to co-exist, which is the point of the whip worms, they keep the mucus in the gut like it should (IGA lining) which you are also linking into the vit A discussion. it being the norm and people NOT having problems WITH having them and our kids being LOW in them and having issues WITH OUT Them suggests we NEED them for proper health.....they treat by taking the the eggs of the whip worms which hatch on their way down and take root (and before you get grossed out- it's really no different then talking about probiotics) it's taking something that is in all bodies (again we ALL have bacteria in our body, we all have yeast in our body, we all have worms in our bodies, we all have parasites in our bodies) its not just kids seeing benefits with the whip worms eggs, it also adults, those with IBD and IBS completely better when reinhibited.....the theory is from it allowing the body to have the mucus lineing that the person can't produce and is our IGA production then needing this and THIS is why we are low when we have IGA issues....> > > From: T Lynn > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 11:26 PM> To: mb12 valtrex > Subject: Re: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...> > > > > Just because something is "the norm", it does not necessarily make it Ok or healthy. Why are GI kids low in whipworm? Could be due to alot of things. Treaments for other symptoms might be killing them off. Bigger, stronger invaders could be taking over....there's a number of possiblities. With that said, there probably aren't as many NT kids walking around with these problems because their bodies are healthy and strong enough to keep parasites at a safe level. Let's not forget that these kids are so ill that their bodies can not handle the same burden as an NT. So, just in the same way many of our children will feel the effects of say... low vitamin d levels more than an NT would, I'm sure the effects would be the same with parasites. The majority of nt's are probably not seeing 3-4 days go by without bowel movements. A chronically constipated child is a perfect host. A child with leaky gut is a perfect host as parasites will develop from undigested food rotting in the gut. These parasites are in a perfect environment to not merely exist, but to thrive in great abundance. > > When a 4 year old child poops out a 7 1/2 foot tapeworm, I will never be convinced that it wasn't affecting that baby's health. Thank God for and Stan catching that.> > I recently watched a news piece about a woman who was undergoing emergency brain surgery for a "tumor" that turned out to be a worm residing on her brain. The surgeon said this is becoming more and more common and instead of doctors seeing maybe one case in a lifetime, they are seeing multiples! > So this is something "NT" 's may be dealing with as well. Crazy.> > -Tammy> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------> > To: mb12 valtrex > Sent: Fri, February 18, 2011 10:10:45 PM> Subject: Re: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...> > > > I hate to bust this thread but we ALL have worms, and parasites living in our bodies, you can do a quick thread on whip worms and they find people with GI issues are actually LOW in whip worms and it’s being used a treatment. see you can't just look at what our kids have, you have to look at what our kids have that NT kids don't have......> > > > From: allrpossible@...

> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 9:39 PM> To: mb12 valtrex > Subject: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...> > > > I don't think it's worms as much as it's protozoa -- which are like > microscopic worms. A researcher I know says that he found a protozoa in > all of those with autism that he has tested. He further stated that he > can not identify the protozoa, feeling that it has not yet been > discovered in mainstream science. For the record, some of the > antibiotics and worm medications, also kill protozoa. But, the natural > things that kill protozoa are also often anti-viral. So, it's still > unclear. At this point, I still believe it's best to treat for all > pathogen types (protozoa, worms, bacteria, viruses, and yeast). Also, > keep in mind that some of those with autism and/or mental retardation > are getting it from worms. If you Google, you will learn that having > worms while very young can cause mental retardation and all kinds of > developmental delays, which would include autism symptoms. So, yes be > aware that treating for worms and protozoa should be considered. Also, > Google to learn how the testing is very unreliable. The good autism > docs know this. It's about getting a good health practitioner that > knows about which labs and testing to use or knows how to go by symptoms.> > Love and prayers,> > Heidi N>

-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

[Guest guest]

yeah but you are assumeing this parasite is doing all this bad stuff. if its doing good stuff its no more wacked out then putting good bacteria or good yeast in you. (probiotics and sacc you are also assume this helps a low % of people which the results show much differently. you are also assumeing that the parasite is causing illness when again it isn't. I know families with autism who have done this and seen amazing things (not just GI related) you are also making an assumption that iodine is a solve all for all things. which is absurd to think that one thing will cure all things. if that was the case we would again have whole people walking around and the market of iodine would be flooded. coming from someone with a throid disorder that iodine could have KILLED....this is a scary thing for me to watch you assume that blanket wise this covers all things for all people and solves all medical problems. iodine will not solve and IGA defiency (it's an immune problem) or celiac diesase or metal issues ect. which can be the base root of some of these other issues. you don't live by iodine alone. you have to look at people as individuals and see what is going haywire in THEM, and what things can effect that....and I think I am safe to say that doesn't come back to ONE thing being the defect in all society. for years I have watch drs scream that about one vitamine (like vit D was the crazy a few years back) and that if we all had good levels in that we wouldn't have cancer, or colds, or flu, or autism ect ect ect. they are dangerous band wagons to watch people on. that being said vit D IS important, and we need to look and say ok how are my levels??? same for iondine! but I wouldn't run and say ALL people need iodine and all things going haywire in a body are because all people are low. infact that can do great harm.....look at our vaccination program....life is just simpley NOT a one size fits all shirt! I had to avoid iodine to the place I had to have them REPREP my C-section because they didn't read my birth plan! I could have gone into shock had I not noticed. we as the autism community as a whole are out tring a lot of "wacked out thing" because there are NO ONE answers. HBOT, CHELATION, MASSIVE DIET CHANGES, UNGODLY LEVELS OF PROBIOTICS, GOOD YEAST, TONS OF MEDS AND SUPPLIMENTS, that the world looks as wacked out. are they really??? NO we are healing looking at the individual.....you can't replace iodine in for a lot of those things and expect it suddenly makes autism go away any more then just removing gluten would do. it may help a few areas, but there is a whole big picture to look at, don't get lost In the forest looking at just one tree.....when there is a whole forest infront of you yet to conquire!

From: Cheryl

Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 10:02 AM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...

I agree. I think we have let the norm get so far from normal most of us accept illness as normal. This putting worms in peoples' bodies really sounds like whacked out science to me. A parasite that attaches to the body and sucks out oxygen, glucose and blood has consequences. It seems to me thr researcher got a "bright" idea that lack of worms created the problems and went with it, unable to look past anything but his own theory. Kinda like some researcher decided that mercury in babies was ok. We have all seen where researchers get focused on their own cause and can make anything they create look good. Granted, the worms may be doing some good (a few people report relief of symptoms) but to what extent is the rest of the body suffering? Why use a known parasite that can and does cause illness when giving the body something it needs and is lacking would accomplish the same end? Kinda like the really expensive drug for Alzheimers they created cause there was sooo much of a certain peptide in the brains of Alzheimers patients that they assumed it must be the cause ! Only when given this drug the Alzheimers got worse and many died. Ooops. Turns out the amyloid beta peptides were protecting the brains. I think what this worm researcher did (besides the inability to get past his own theory) and so many others do, is look at portions of the body in isolation. They isolate the GI tract, the liver, the reproductive organs, etc. They fail to consider the body as a whole. The end result for worm theory is that it helps the intestine create mucus. Colitis is thought to be a lack of mucus. Iodine deficient bodies cant creat mucus as efficiently as iodine sufficient bodies. Need mucus? Got Iodine?Cheryl >> Just because something is "the norm",  it does not necessarily make it Ok or > healthy. Why are GI kids low in whipworm? Could be due to alot of things. > Treaments for other symptoms might be killing them off. Bigger, stronger > invaders could be taking over....there's a number of possiblities. With that > said, there probably aren't as many NT kids walking around with these problems > because their bodies are healthy and strong enough to keep parasites at a safe > level. Let's not forget that these kids are so ill that their bodies can not > handle the same burden as an NT. So, just in the same way many of our children > will feel the effects of say... low vitamin d levels more than an NT would, I'm > sure the effects would be the same with parasites. The majority of nt's are > probably not seeing 3-4 days go by without bowel movements. A chronically > constipated child is a perfect host. A child with leaky gut is a perfect host > as parasites will develop from undigested food rotting in the gut. These > parasites are in a perfect environment to not merely exist, but to thrive in > great abundance.   > > > When a 4 year old child poops out a 7 1/2 foot tapeworm, I will never be > convinced that it wasn't affecting that baby's health. Thank God for and > Stan catching that.> >  I recently watched a news piece about a woman who was undergoing emergency > brain surgery for a "tumor" that turned out to be a worm residing on her brain. > The surgeon said this is becoming more and more common and instead of doctors > seeing maybe one case in a lifetime, they are seeing multiples! > So this is something "NT" 's may be dealing with as well.  Crazy.> > -Tammy> > > > ________________________________> > To: mb12 valtrex > Sent: Fri, February 18, 2011 10:10:45 PM> Subject: Re: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...> >  > I hate to bust this thread but we ALL have worms, and parasites living in our > bodies, you can do a quick thread on whip worms and they find people with GI > issues are actually LOW in whip worms and it’s being used a treatment. see you > can't just look at what our kids have, you have to look at what our kids have > that NT kids don't have......> > > > From: allrpossible@... > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 9:39 PM> To: mb12 valtrex > Subject: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...>  > I don't think it's worms as much as it's protozoa -- which are like > microscopic worms. A researcher I know says that he found a protozoa in > all of those with autism that he has tested. He further stated that he > can not identify the protozoa, feeling that it has not yet been > discovered in mainstream science. For the record, some of the > antibiotics and worm medications, also kill protozoa. But, the natural > things that kill protozoa are also often anti-viral. So, it's still > unclear. At this point, I still believe it's best to treat for all > pathogen types (protozoa, worms, bacteria, viruses, and yeast). Also, > keep in mind that some of those with autism and/or mental retardation > are getting it from worms. If you Google, you will learn that having > worms while very young can cause mental retardation and all kinds of > developmental delays, which would include autism symptoms. So, yes be > aware that treating for worms and protozoa should be considered. Also, > Google to learn how the testing is very unreliable. The good autism > docs know this. It's about getting a good health practitioner that > knows about which labs and testing to use or knows how to go by symptoms.> > Love and prayers,> > Heidi N>

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leaky gut from celiac disease can cause all that to leach as well....or low IGA total levels, or mito issues in and of itself which can be genetic

From: Caryn_Reid

Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 9:41 AM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...

I have heard that parasites eat folic acid, B12 and coQ10. This could account for both speech delays and mitochondrial disfunction.> > > > My son is only about 2 weeks into his worm protocol, but we are optimistic for great things (he potty trained in 24 hours.) We have actually stopped his other supplements b/c I think many are feeding the worms and will resume once we are further along.> > > > > > > > Caryn> >>

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hair loss can also be from low biotin

From: Tammy Farmer

Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 9:09 AM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...

Hi Chery.I have tried many, many things for my son, including iodine. He got very sick on it,just like everything else I try(except valtrex).Yesterday I found some blood work that had been done on my son,and his iodine levels where flagged as high.Do you know why his would be high? It was not at the time that I tried the iodine on him. Last year I got my son a series of foot baths and the first few foot baths where so full of a bleach smell you could hardly be in the same room.Someone said(maybe it was you) that ,that means my son needs more iodine .The body holds onto the bleach if it does not have enough iodine. Any thoughts on why his iodine level was high? Thank You,Tammy F.

Cheryl, is 12.5 mgs a safe dose of iodine? I am struggling with hair loss and waiting on labs. My son is hypothyroid. Just wondering where to begin at?> > >> > > As this group is now very intereted in parasites, I wanted to post to this group what I posted to the borrelia board recently.> > > > > > I have been treating myself for lyme, strep, etc for over 3 years and have been very sick. I was easily able to relate to my son's illness (AKA autism) and have him dx with autism before he was 1 years old b/c I was sooo sick myself with many symptoms similiar to autism. > > > > > > After many, many years of treatment, I am doing very well, finally, just shortly after beginning an extensive worm protocol with allinia and an herbal parasite formula in addition to the augmentin I take for strep.> > > > > > I know many families have found success treating for yeast, strep, lyme, herpes, measles, but I am truly wondering if the root of our problem is worms. This would certainly explain the gut issues and the malnutrition. > > > > > > My son is only about 2 weeks into his worm protocol, but we are optimistic for great things (he potty trained in 24 hours.) We have actually stopped his other supplements b/c I think many are feeding the worms and will resume once we are further along.> > > > > > Caryn>

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That was rich.Sent from my iPhone

so my daughter has been pretty yeasty lately and I've been giving her probiotics. she's been passing snotty looking yeast and then this morning I saw 2 worms in it----white and about an inch (just over maybe) long.

I've been reading that families will usually have them together, so I def. know something is up with my son!!

or maybe I should have put them back in..........

H

> > >

> > > I hate to bust this thread but we ALL have worms, and parasites living in our bodies, you can do a quick thread on whip worms and they find people with GI issues are actually LOW in whip worms and it's being used a treatment. see you can't just look at what our kids have, you have to look at what our kids have that NT kids don't have......

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > From: allrpossible@

> > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 9:39 PM

> > > To: mb12 valtrex

> > > Subject: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I don't think it's worms as much as it's protozoa -- which are like

> > > microscopic worms. A researcher I know says that he found a protozoa in

> > > all of those with autism that he has tested. He further stated that he

> > > can not identify the protozoa, feeling that it has not yet been

> > > discovered in mainstream science. For the record, some of the

> > > antibiotics and worm medications, also kill protozoa. But, the natural

> > > things that kill protozoa are also often anti-viral. So, it's still

> > > unclear. At this point, I still believe it's best to treat for all

> > > pathogen types (protozoa, worms, bacteria, viruses, and yeast). Also,

> > > keep in mind that some of those with autism and/or mental retardation

> > > are getting it from worms. If you Google, you will learn that having

> > > worms while very young can cause mental retardation and all kinds of

> > > developmental delays, which would include autism symptoms. So, yes be

> > > aware that treating for worms and protozoa should be considered. Also,

> > > Google to learn how the testing is very unreliable. The good autism

> > > docs know this. It's about getting a good health practitioner that

> > > knows about which labs and testing to use or knows how to go by symptoms.

> > >

> > > Love and prayers,

> > >

> > > Heidi N

> > >

> >

>

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are you sure it was worms or yeast coming out, yeast is also stringy

From: Hammes

Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 11:48 AM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...

That was rich.Sent from my iPhone

so my daughter has been pretty yeasty lately and I've been giving her probiotics. she's been passing snotty looking yeast and then this morning I saw 2 worms in it----white and about an inch (just over maybe) long. I've been reading that families will usually have them together, so I def. know something is up with my son!!or maybe I should have put them back in..........H> > >> > > I hate to bust this thread but we ALL have worms, and parasites living in our bodies, you can do a quick thread on whip worms and they find people with GI issues are actually LOW in whip worms and it's being used a treatment. see you can't just look at what our kids have, you have to look at what our kids have that NT kids don't have......> > > > > > > > > > > > From: allrpossible@ > > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 9:39 PM> > > To: mb12 valtrex > > > Subject: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...> > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think it's worms as much as it's protozoa -- which are like > > > microscopic worms. A researcher I know says that he found a protozoa in > > > all of those with autism that he has tested. He further stated that he > > > can not identify the protozoa, feeling that it has not yet been > > > discovered in mainstream science. For the record, some of the > > > antibiotics and worm medications, also kill protozoa. But, the natural > > > things that kill protozoa are also often anti-viral. So, it's still > > > unclear. At this point, I still believe it's best to treat for all > > > pathogen types (protozoa, worms, bacteria, viruses, and yeast). Also, > > > keep in mind that some of those with autism and/or mental retardation > > > are getting it from worms. If you Google, you will learn that having > > > worms while very young can cause mental retardation and all kinds of > > > developmental delays, which would include autism symptoms. So, yes be > > > aware that treating for worms and protozoa should be considered. Also, > > > Google to learn how the testing is very unreliable. The good autism > > > docs know this. It's about getting a good health practitioner that > > > knows about which labs and testing to use or knows how to go by symptoms.> > > > > > Love and prayers,> > > > > > Heidi N> > >> >>

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antibiotics can also be helpful when used correctly, they are not evil in and of themselves and can bring healing! you can't throw the baby out with the bath water. I am not saying iodine doesn't help in areas, I am just saying it’s not a cure all!

you said " Iodine has shown and is showing effect on all those issues" effect yes, that is a large leap to cure!

where is your info on iodine chelating?? it will not looseing metals from the organs in the body or cross the BBB to bring metals across that I have ever seen anywhere?!?

you said " Iodine solves it because the gut needs iodine to work correctly" the gut needs many things work correctly, again glutamine can do that as well....but again its not going to cure everybody! probiotics can do that, but may not be everyones answers, pancretic enzymes can be effective as well....they are ALL needed to work correctly. I have yet to see any study that has said all people with GI issues have low iodine...have you? that would be amazing if it was!

you said " Consider the possibility the research into celiac didnt exactly point to a genetic disease but actually if they looked further they would find iodine deficiency. Not saying its true, saying it's not known"

again that is making some bold assumption with out any research backing it...or even suggestive studies showing it. it can be a chicken and the egg thing as well. were they celiac first (via genes and genetics) which lead to leaky gut which lead to iodine being lost???!?!?! I wouldn't think iodine would change genes.....

you said "probably cause it is one thing most deficient in all people. It is one of many nutrients the body is lacking. And when the body is lacking iodine the entire body goes haywire."

where are you finding that it is the ONE thing most deficient in all people???

anytime the body is lacking in ANY nutrient the body suffers and goes haywire, not just iodine....

you say " This is proven. And being proven still in the many people that are fixing their problems with iodine. And magnesium and Vit C and Selenium and D3 and Natural Salt. And clean water. And protein. All in combination. Take away the iodine and you dont have the healing effect, so yeah i tend to think it's the iodine. "

really??? so if you put in dirty water or take out natural salts but leave the iodine then healing couldn't happen???? you realize then that with a statement like that we should just be able to take iodine and BOOM everything is better! we all know TONS of healing stories and with out iodine that would also prove that whole statement false!

you said "I have never said it was THE one thing"

so what do I do with the last 2 statement you made?? and HOW is that NOT saying that iodine is the ONE cure all. both your statements above condridict your whole premise of saying that

you are sadly mistaken on my knowledge of iodine as well, I had to research it years ago with having graves disease (which I also undid and it had NOTHING to do with iodine) I had to avoid it like the plague and still don't use it. (not in my salts ect) my thryoid levels have been fine for 6 years now. your posting did also make me dig more (I love research) infact I went as far as turning my famiy into an experiment after you posting and doing patch testing on us all. my son (previous ASD and many medical problems solved and didn't use any iodine) lasted 8 hours. my NT daughter 12, my NT yountest 8 hours me 18 the first day. (both my son and youngest have autoimmune issues and LYME and PANDAS so I thought with their clostrida, yeast and lyme it would make for an intersting study) 2nd day trial 12 hours on previous ASD boy and mine normal 24 hours. my NT middle 24 hours, and my youngest it lasted 3 days!!!!! (yeah how about THAT swing????) yeah and she STILL has a slight mark. I had a terrible reaction back in the day with meds for thyroid and iodine. ended up sitting a drooling for 2 days completely unable to function and rocking because my thryoid was being messed with so bad and could swing from hyper to hypo in less then a week or 2. they were talking about removing my thryoid because the swings were so sever, or doing a bata block to bring me back from the coma state I was in. one of only severe cases of graves with both hypo and hyper scales, 5 cases this dr had seen in 20 years of working at mayo he told me. I started research on my son and read up on selenium and knew we both had merucy issues.....took selenium (was also infertile and hadn't ovulated in 3 years and was doing testing every 3 days) and ovulated on day 3 of selenium (took it about 2 weeks) and stopped taking it not sure what would happen if I became prego and went in for retesting and have been graves free and thyroid problem free since! (again no iodine which according to your statement I couldn't do with out that one component) sure enough I was prego weeks later! I HAD TO study up on iodine as I was petrified of going back to my graves and what that could mean being prego and the odds for miscarriage sky rocketing and had to protect my body. there are many great things I Have found over my many years of biomed. and watch parents grab on because it does great things in THEIR life. and that is great! share it by all means! I am certainly not here to bash your experience and I think patch testing is a wise Idea to see where your kids are at. I say by all means look into, BUT I hate when I see parents go so far on a limb to think it's the ONE thing that is going to change your whole life outlook on healing because it puts terrible messages out to those that won't try it or sends them the message they are bad parents, or it discounts all others experience that don't line up with what you may be saying ect. (I have yet over 8 years of being around these boards-and MANY of them- found a formula that works with ALL kids for ALL healing)some things may be good for one when infact other kids may simply not need that. one mans food is another mans poisen (I LOVE this statement) and we can respectfully disagree. Dana and I for example have had different life journies with our kids. there were thing that were her kids answers that would have been devistating for my sons recovery, and vice versa, had she had her son on MY sons restrictive diet she wouldn't have gotten the answers and gains she needs for her child. we need to look at our kids a individuals with SO MANY different things going on....and the answers are MANY, and various,......one of the sayings I have used for years is there is more then one way to get from vermont to california. you can walk, hitch hick, take a train, a bus, a plane, go straight, go slow, go fast ect....but the imporant thing is you "get there" your jouney may not look like mine....and guess what! that is ok!!! you may be able to handle strep line probiotics,....mine can't. you may be able to eat gluten, mine it would trigger seizers, I may be able to loose his dx, others may not...I support your journey in learning....BIG TIME....but moderation and balance is good to!! hyper and hypo thryoid even respond differntly for iodine....I find it scary that you recommend for BOTH to do big doses of iodine and I would causion again that....and for people to do there own research. I would hate for someone to sit rocking for days like a zobbie drooling on yourself like I did for days.....thyroids are still organs to rever and read up on and protect your body in the process of learning.

From: Cheryl

Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 12:23 PM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...

Actually i wasnt assuming, it was what i read. The worms can and does do bad things to people. Kinda like antibiotics can and does do bad things to people. I am more inclined to do no harm. Giving the body what it needs to fix itself is my idea of doing no harm. We are actually starting to see a market for iodine with whole people walking around healthy. Just have to read the iodine board for a few days to see this. Doctors are now recommending it 10 times more than they were just a few years ago. Granted many docs arent on board yet, and some will never be, but many are there now. And seeing the results. You say: "iodine will not solve and IGA defiency (it's an immune problem) or celiac diesase or metal issues ect."That is a false statement. Iodine has shown and is showing effect on all those issues. Iodine solves it because the gut needs iodine to work correctly. Iodine lowers or eliminates antibodies. Iodine helps the body chelate metals. Consider the possibility the research into celiac didnt exactly point to a genetic disease but actually if they looked further they would find iodine deficiency. Not saying its true, saying it's not known.I personally think most research is flawed because all researchers fail to have baseline nutritional levels. Without knowing if iodine (or other necessary nutrients) levels are deficient how can they know the real cause? I dont think they can. Perhaps they are only seeing the effect, not the cause..Both hyper and hypo. Iodine never killed anyone. That is a myth perpetuated by doctors that are iodiophobic. Make someone so sick with dieoff they think they were dying, maybe. I have never said it was THE one thing. Iodine is the main thing, probably cause it is one thing most deficient in all people. It is one of many nutrients the body is lacking. And when the body is lacking iodine the entire body goes haywire.To different degress. This is proven. And being proven still in the many people that are fixing their problems with iodine. And magnesium and Vit C and Selenium and D3 and Natural Salt. And clean water. And protein. All in combination. Take away the iodine and you dont have the healing effect, so yeah i tend to think it's the iodine. Iodine doesnt suddenly remove autism. Never said it did. Always said it takes time to effect healing in the body. It doesnt happen overnight. I think that we see the forest differently. Altho we seem to agree on many things, there is this one thing we dont, iodine. With the utmost respect for your biomedical knowledge, I think you have a lack of iodine knowledge, as this post in my opinion reflects. And it effects your perception of the forest more than you realize. And it scares me to think people will not try iodine because of it.And i think a person with your experience and knowledge could do so many people a favor (because you know so much and share so much of that knowledge) by learning the truth about iodine. Cheryl>> yeah but you are assumeing this parasite is doing all this bad stuff. if its doing good stuff its no more wacked out then putting good bacteria or good yeast in you. (probiotics and sacc you are also assume this helps a low % of people which the results show much differently. you are also assumeing that the parasite is causing illness when again it isn't. I know families with autism who have done this and seen amazing things (not just GI related) you are also making an assumption that iodine is a solve all for all things. which is absurd to think that one thing will cure all things. if that was the case we would again have whole people walking around and the market of iodine would be flooded. coming from someone with a throid disorder that iodine could have KILLED....this is a scary thing for me to watch you assume that blanket wise this covers all things for all people and solves all medical problems. iodine will not solve and IGA defiency (it's an immune problem) or celiac diesase or metal issues ect. which can be the base root of some of these other issues. you don't live by iodine alone. you have to look at people as individuals and see what is going haywire in THEM, and what things can effect that....and I think I am safe to say that doesn't come back to ONE thing being the defect in all society. for years I have watch drs scream that about one vitamine (like vit D was the crazy a few years back) and that if we all had good levels in that we wouldn't have cancer, or colds, or flu, or autism ect ect ect. they are dangerous band wagons to watch people on. that being said vit D IS important, and we need to look and say ok how are my levels??? same for iondine! but I wouldn't run and say ALL people need iodine and all things going haywire in a body are because all people are low. infact that can do great harm.....look at our vaccination program....life is just simpley NOT a one size fits all shirt! I had to avoid iodine to the place I had to have them REPREP my C-section because they didn't read my birth plan! I could have gone into shock had I not noticed. we as the autism community as a whole are out tring a lot of "wacked out thing" because there are NO ONE answers. HBOT, CHELATION, MASSIVE DIET CHANGES, UNGODLY LEVELS OF PROBIOTICS, GOOD YEAST, TONS OF MEDS AND SUPPLIMENTS, that the world looks as wacked out. are they really??? NO we are healing looking at the individual.....you can't replace iodine in for a lot of those things and expect it suddenly makes autism go away any more then just removing gluten would do. it may help a few areas, but there is a whole big picture to look at, don't get lost In the forest looking at just one tree.....when there is a whole forest infront of you yet to conquire!

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that’s great that means YOU have worms....and you found YOUR answer!

never said whip worms caused autism either....the lack of them causes GI issues like our kids have, and treatment is releaving that BIG portion of what many of us parents are dealing with. I am with you, I don’t think I personally could do it for me or my kids....I have choosen another route, just trying to show you that not ALL worms are bad

From: Caryn_Reid

Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 12:33 PM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...

I understood what you said about the lack of whip worms in the GI tract causing autism, however, my opinion differs.Possibly the lack of whipworms causes an overgrowth of other worms, however, either way, treating a worm overgrowth is creating tremendous gains at my house.> >> > I hate to bust this thread but we ALL have worms, and parasites living in our bodies, you can do a quick thread on whip worms and they find people with GI issues are actually LOW in whip worms and it's being used a treatment. see you can't just look at what our kids have, you have to look at what our kids have that NT kids don't have......> > > > > > > > From: allrpossible@ > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 9:39 PM> > To: mb12 valtrex > > Subject: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...> > > > > > > > I don't think it's worms as much as it's protozoa -- which are like > > microscopic worms. A researcher I know says that he found a protozoa in > > all of those with autism that he has tested. He further stated that he > > can not identify the protozoa, feeling that it has not yet been > > discovered in mainstream science. For the record, some of the > > antibiotics and worm medications, also kill protozoa. But, the natural > > things that kill protozoa are also often anti-viral. So, it's still > > unclear. At this point, I still believe it's best to treat for all > > pathogen types (protozoa, worms, bacteria, viruses, and yeast). Also, > > keep in mind that some of those with autism and/or mental retardation > > are getting it from worms. If you Google, you will learn that having > > worms while very young can cause mental retardation and all kinds of > > developmental delays, which would include autism symptoms. So, yes be > > aware that treating for worms and protozoa should be considered. Also, > > Google to learn how the testing is very unreliable. The good autism > > docs know this. It's about getting a good health practitioner that > > knows about which labs and testing to use or knows how to go by symptoms.> > > > Love and prayers,> > > > Heidi N> >>

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he was saying there in all peoples guts, regaurdless of sanitation. did you know that your body is made up of more foreign matters (bacteria, yeast, parasites, worms) cells then there are YOU cells

From: Cheryl

Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 11:06 AM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...

This particular worm is not suppose to be in people. This particular worm causes issues and are removed if found in people. They are not normally in healthy bodies with good sanitation. The theory is that adding this worm creates mucous so they are using the one good function of the worm(creating mucous) to outweigh the bad (sucking of oxygen, blood and glucose) or even finding the cause of the lack of mucus.Or am i confused? Read so much about worms in the last few days its a definite possibility. Probably the worms in my brain! Cheryl> >> > I hate to bust this thread but we ALL have worms, and parasites living in our bodies, you can do a quick thread on whip worms and they find people with GI issues are actually LOW in whip worms and it's being used a treatment. see you can't just look at what our kids have, you have to look at what our kids have that NT kids don't have......> > > > > > > > From: allrpossible@ > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 9:39 PM> > To: mb12 valtrex > > Subject: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...> > > > > > > > I don't think it's worms as much as it's protozoa -- which are like > > microscopic worms. A researcher I know says that he found a protozoa in > > all of those with autism that he has tested. He further stated that he > > can not identify the protozoa, feeling that it has not yet been > > discovered in mainstream science. For the record, some of the > > antibiotics and worm medications, also kill protozoa. But, the natural > > things that kill protozoa are also often anti-viral. So, it's still > > unclear. At this point, I still believe it's best to treat for all > > pathogen types (protozoa, worms, bacteria, viruses, and yeast). Also, > > keep in mind that some of those with autism and/or mental retardation > > are getting it from worms. If you Google, you will learn that having > > worms while very young can cause mental retardation and all kinds of > > developmental delays, which would include autism symptoms. So, yes be > > aware that treating for worms and protozoa should be considered. Also, > > Google to learn how the testing is very unreliable. The good autism > > docs know this. It's about getting a good health practitioner that > > knows about which labs and testing to use or knows how to go by symptoms.> > > > Love and prayers,> > > > Heidi N> >>

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do you use probiotics??? that is a bacteria (parasite of type that is going to take root in your gut and live there) or sacc B?

From: S

Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 7:57 AM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...

That makes me think of when leaches were used to treat various illnesses. I could never introduce a parasite as a treatment, and I've tried some questionable things.>> I hate to bust this thread but we ALL have worms, and parasites living in our bodies, you can do a quick thread on whip worms and they find people with GI issues are actually LOW in whip worms and it's being used a treatment. see you can't just look at what our kids have, you have to look at what our kids have that NT kids don't have......> > > > From: allrpossible@... > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 9:39 PM> To: mb12 valtrex > Subject: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...> > > > I don't think it's worms as much as it's protozoa -- which are like > microscopic worms. A researcher I know says that he found a protozoa in > all of those with autism that he has tested. He further stated that he > can not identify the protozoa, feeling that it has not yet been > discovered in mainstream science. For the record, some of the > antibiotics and worm medications, also kill protozoa. But, the natural > things that kill protozoa are also often anti-viral. So, it's still > unclear. At this point, I still believe it's best to treat for all > pathogen types (protozoa, worms, bacteria, viruses, and yeast). Also, > keep in mind that some of those with autism and/or mental retardation > are getting it from worms. If you Google, you will learn that having > worms while very young can cause mental retardation and all kinds of > developmental delays, which would include autism symptoms. So, yes be > aware that treating for worms and protozoa should be considered. Also, > Google to learn how the testing is very unreliable. The good autism > docs know this. It's about getting a good health practitioner that > knows about which labs and testing to use or knows how to go by symptoms.> > Love and prayers,> > Heidi N>

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Hi Cheryl. My son reacts the same to all meds.Natural or not. He

becomes extremely uncooperative.Screams for days,and he can't

console himself.He can get so bad that he has attempted to jump out

of the car window,and other crazy things.He is 11 yrs. old . I

don't know yet,but I am wondering if his immune system is hyper and

goes way overboard.I got my son into Dr.Ru and we are just getting

started. Thank you Cheryl for your ideas. Tammy F.

Hi Chery.I have tried many, many things for my son,

including iodine. He got very sick on it,just like

everything else I try(except valtrex).Yesterday I found

some blood work that had been done on my son,and his

iodine levels where flagged as high.Do you know why his

would be high? It was not at the time that I tried the

iodine on him. Last year I got my

son a series of foot baths and the first few foot baths

where so full of a bleach smell you could hardly be in the

same room.Someone said(maybe it was you) that ,that means

my son needs more iodine .The body holds onto the bleach

if it does not have enough iodine. Any thoughts on

why his iodine level was high? Thank You,Tammy F.

Cheryl, is 12.5 mgs a safe dose of iodine? I am

struggling with hair loss and waiting on labs. My

son is hypothyroid. Just wondering where to begin

at?

> > >

> > > As this group is now very intereted

in parasites, I wanted to post to this group what

I posted to the borrelia board recently.

> > >

> > > I have been treating myself for

lyme, strep, etc for over 3 years and have been

very sick. I was easily able to relate to my son's

illness (AKA autism) and have him dx with autism

before he was 1 years old b/c I was sooo sick

myself with many symptoms similiar to autism.

> > >

> > > After many, many years of

treatment, I am doing very well, finally, just

shortly after beginning an extensive worm protocol

with allinia and an herbal parasite formula in

addition to the augmentin I take for strep.

> > >

> > > I know many families have found

success treating for yeast, strep, lyme, herpes,

measles, but I am truly wondering if the root of

our problem is worms. This would certainly explain

the gut issues and the malnutrition.

> > >

> > > My son is only about 2 weeks into

his worm protocol, but we are optimistic for great

things (he potty trained in 24 hours.) We have

actually stopped his other supplements b/c I think

many are feeding the worms and will resume once we

are further along.

> > >

> > > Caryn

>

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Cheryl,I forgot to tell you that he tried Iodide and he has tried

SSKI.Started out on very small specs of them. Thanks,Tammy F.

Hi Tammy,

When you say you tried iodine and he got very sick, how

much iodine, what kind of iodine and what type of sick?

Not sure about the iodine blood levels. Different docs

read results differently, too. I know testing iodine in

the blood is not reliable. Probably because alot of iodine

in the blood can mean either he was unable to uptake it

into cells (cause things like

bromide/fluoride/chlorine/metals were displacing the

iodine) or his thyroid is unable to uptake iodine. Might

be other reasons.

What was in the foot baths? The bleach smell may have been

chlorine coming out. Did you use distilled water in the

baths? Is he taking Valtrex because of known high virus

levels? Is he high in metals too? When you say Valtrex is

the only one he could take, what were the others he

couldnt take? (Wondering if something in them also

displaces iodine, like Antibiotics with Fluoride).

Cheryl

>

> Hi Chery.I have tried many, many things for my son,

including iodine. He

> got very sick on it,just like everything else I

try(except

> valtrex).Yesterday I found some blood work that had

been done on my

> son,and his iodine levels where flagged as high.Do

you know why his

> would be high? It was not at the time that I tried

the iodine on

> him. Last year I got my son a series of foot baths

> and the first few foot baths where so full of a

bleach smell you could

> hardly be in the same room.Someone said(maybe it was

you) that ,that

> means my son needs more iodine .The body holds onto

the bleach if it

> does not have enough iodine. Any thoughts on why his

iodine level

> was high? Thank You,Tammy F.

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you say "Some antibiotics do however displace iodine from cells, making problems worse. They all wipe out the good bacteria. So, both short and long term they compound the exsisting problem."

they don't ALL wipe out good bacteria it depends on the antibiotic type. you are again assuming iodine is the end all, which in most cases antibiotics are taking care of the big picture which again is iodine was the end all they wouldn't have bacteria in the first place, AND bacteria being left can have MORE issues like long term autoimmune issues (living with PANDAS in this house I wish I could go back) again even IF antibiotics displaced iodine it would also be temperary not a permenant thing, and you have to take the lesser of 2 evils. you need to deal with bacteria as you have it, iodine isn't your most important thing in the body (I get that we don't agree on this!!!) again if an antibiotic is need the existing problem is a bacteria issue needing to be addresses, THUS the antibiotic.

you say "Does the benefit outweight the bad?"

if the bad is that there is a bad bacteria infection that is wiped out YES the good does out way a temp situtation....again you are assumeing taking an antibiotic is always a bad thing...

you say "Depends if a person is willing to risk kidney or liver failure or the bodies inability to utilize antibiotics in the future (possibly against some major bug) or not"

sorry trying not to laugh at this point. taking an antibiotic isn't going to kill your liver and kidneys and cause them fail (lets get real here!) and taking an antibiotic as needed also doesn't make you resistant from the need here and there. heck I know hundreds of families doing prophatic antibiotics and that is still rare and they are on them daily!!! (again my NT daughter that I did patch testing on that lasted 3 days is on antibitoics daily.....so it doesn't hold under that either...that it always drains iondine) also if people have issues that need antibitoics long term that the threat is there for resistance you are looking at biofilm issues.

you said "If it makes a child able to talk and learn now at a young age when learning is most important, maybe it's worth the risks.I just really think antibiotics arent necessary, and do more harm than good especially long term, when iodine is available."

wow as a mom of a PANDAS kid I could NOT DISAGREE MORE.....that is part of how we ended up here, we were so scared of antibiotics because of yeast and parents bashing antibiotics and it is what has brought our son back to us. AND the avoidence of them for so long is what GAVE him PANDAS. NOT treating with antibiotics and working strep quickly created a lONG TERM issue. and did more damage....so not worth it! and since when does lang make health obsolete???

you said "Iodine doesnt chelate per se. It is required by the body to allow excretion of metals."

so lets make this REALLY clear, iodine is NOT going to chelate your body, or loosen metals from the body or up what is coming out that is bound.....those mechanisms are broke and require OTHER things OTHER then iodine.....

you said" Metals like iodine. Seems a likely deduction"

so do viruses, bacteria, calcium, magneism, iron, and zinc......whats your point!! would be interesting to see if iodine is in biofilm as well

you say"The difference between Iodine and gluatmine, probiotics, pancreatic enzymes etc, are that while all help the body function, only iodine controls and is dependent on all of them to work properly. In iodine deficient people some cant utlize glutamine, some have overgrowth of bad bacteria and the probiotics help that, in others enzymes break down the food. It's the iodine that sets the stage for the other things to work right.

I will disagree on this simply because your iodine levels can be just fine and you can still have issues with all that meaning it's NOT all dependant on iodine there are OTHER mechanisms at work as well.

you said " Consider the possibility the research into celiac didnt exactly point to a genetic disease but actually if they looked further they would find iodine deficiency. Not saying its true, saying it's not known"

you STILL have to have something to stand on, on that....it HAS been shown to be genetics, iodine again doesn't change genetic issues. celiac diseases whole damage is leaking nurtition is it's a clear path already laid out.

you said The point was how do they really know its the genes. I agree it could be chicken and egg I believe it was iodine deficiency leading to leaky gut that lead to celiac which made it appear as if it was a gene expression rather than a nutritional deficiency expression.

I know this because there is a simple gene test you can do for celiac (been there done that) to find out IF you have the GENE for it.> you said "probably cause it is one thing most deficient in all people. It is one of many nutrients the body is lacking. And when the body is lacking iodine the entire body goes haywire." > where are you finding that it is the ONE thing most deficient in all people???>I said anytime the body is lacking in ANY nutrient the body suffers and goes haywire, not just iodine....

You said agree

glad we agree on something!! hehe> you say " This is proven. And being proven still in the many people that are fixing their problems with iodine. And magnesium and Vit C and Selenium and D3 and Natural Salt. And clean water. And protein. All in combination. Take away the iodine and you dont have the healing effect, so yeah i tend to think it's the iodine. " > You said If for example natural salt isnt used then the body will feel bad, it will still heal, but not very comfortably. We all need things to help the iodine fix the damage. But yeah, for the most part i would say i had a bigggg booooom and everything feels better! Do I think others will feel this too. Yep. Cause i have seen it happen to many people on the Iodine board for the last 2 years. Seen it happen in real life to other's too.

that is GREAT and so glad you have seen those kind of results, but again OTHER people are healing with out it suggesting there are STILL other things that can do the same thing with out having to have that be the route to healing. that is the hard thing about a group that is narrowly looking at ONE thing, it can look like the cure all but you need the balance of many things ,it's one thing I respect about the gfcf group honestly. it could be it's this way only and dana does a great job of bring balance to that showing HER son got healing from having gluten IN his diet.

you put "Healing stories? Are they healed or maintained? Are they cleaning the environment in the body just enough so that what little iodine is available makes things work a little? "

see this is exactly what I am talking about, with the base of what you are saying on iodine I would expect you never to get sick, get a cold, get a bacteria infection, get a yeast infection or have anything ever go wrong because with your stance iodine balences everything in the body. the trouble with blanket statements of this is going to make everything broken work right and forever. that is what I DON"T want people to walk away from all this with. no one thing is going to cure everyone of everything for ever....that would be the fountain of youth! (wish we COULD find that however) iodine can be toxic too!!! I love vit A and what it did for my family but it can be toxic for some people. LOVE HBOT....it did AMAZING Things for my family. BUT I wouldn't recommend it with out other interventions for some like those with strep untreated or ear infections even though OXYGEN IS essential for all our body to work!! do you see what I mean. you found somehting you love, you are being poured into great success stories of what its doing but keep balance with it that OTHER things can work as well....it's not an end point. again my thyroid.....6 years going strong no issues....no iodine, I would say that is healing, it's not requiring any maiteness. again a gene with say celiac the healing IS removal of what is doing it's damage as you can't undo a gene through out a body. so you again have to look at what is POSSIBLE and reasonable just like I also think iodine has it's great benefits but I am not expecting you to realisticly to never get sick again because you are taking it daily!!

> you said "I have never said it was THE one thing"> so what do I do with the last 2 statement you made?? and HOW is that NOT saying that iodine is the ONE cure all. both your statements above condridict your whole premise of saying that>

you said "Confusion. Out of context? not sure how you came to that conclusion."

you again have said over and over that the whole body depends on iondine and can't work right with out it....that is the message that it's the ONE thing to solve all things

You said "It seems to me your entire family is deficient to some extent. So Clostrida, yeast, lyme are all still issues? Auto immune problems? PANDAS? What it sounds like is all the intervention you have done has helped what little iodine is available work better but not to the point of being enough. Or there would no longer be issues."

yes with your stance on iodine being the end all I can see where you would hold onto that, HOWEVER> its' DUE to me not using those antibiotics you are so quick to jump on when I should have. again we have been tested and our iodine is fine, so is thryoid, and again my NT child had the spot for 3 days which would also dispute that. I have also UNDONE immuno defiency in my youngest over the years (IGA< IGM and IGG) and didn't use any iodine which according to your belief I wouldn't be able to do WITH OUT it.

so how are you saying is the ONLY way to measure iodine being sufficent??? "You ask are our thyroid levels are fine but are they? Most docs cant read a thyroid test results properly and most dont even test the right things.(and i apologize if you have one of the few docs actually testing T3, T4 and Frees, i am assuming you dont cause not many do)And if thyroid levels are fine the issues are less or none.

YUP, all my kids have see an endrocrenologist (every 6 months) as my youngest had a growth hormon issue, (IGLF1) me with my history of graves, and family history of throid problems in EVERY woman in my family on BOTH sides...my kids get regular testing as well in all things...heck they get blood tests many times every 2 months. and yes we go WAY beyond just simple thyroid tests (did look at your site you posted, yup we are going way beyond that testing wise!!) we even do antithyroid antibody testing, full immune panels (due to the history of immunodefiency) >You put that I was most likely were given Synthroid. And the reaction you experienced is common for a very small percentage of the population. Most doctors dont even know this. For the rest of the population Synthroid can lead to a steady decline of thyroid function as well as a cascading effect of illness to the entire body. It's one of the worst things a person can use, right up there with vaccines.

yes I was but it had nothing to do with that, again I swing BOTH ways rapidly but they didn't know it at the time, so I was put on something to raise it and then went up on my own making my body go into shock.you put "Natural Thyroid supplement is the only thyroid hormone supplement anyone should be using. The best thing is to encourage the thyroid to work on it's own. Iodine does this by capturing iodine. "

I agree on using naturals but not on the iodine again being the answer as it can be the WRONG thing depending which way you swing.you put "The selenium helps the iodine in your body work better. One of the things on the Iodine Protocol."

nopt it was because I had mercury poisening a week before my thryoid went nuts, we had mercury thermomitor go through our dishwasher in the winter all shut up. it mopped up the mercury thus undoing the poisen

> I PUT BUT I hate when I see parents go so far on a limb to think it's the ONE thing that is going to change your whole life outlook on healing>you put "But just what if, it is..."

again it just simply isn't or OTHER people wouldn't be finding healing with out it based on holding onto that, AND people with just find levels wouldn't have anything wrong with them and that also exists.

YOU PUT I guess i find it hard to fathom why someone wont try something that just might be the key. I can see many disregarding iodine because of your post. And why i am spending time trying to change that disregard. And yes, your own opinion, too. I am relentless! Because i truly believe it's the major factor. Knowing would be better. The more people using iodine and the more we will know for sure. Until then we just gotta try!

oh I have no problem to try eiter, but I think you need to know BEFORE doing it where kids are at and if they are infact low. just like anything, all things can be toxic....I certainly don't think people will run because I have questioned it being the ONLY thing to heal people. I have acknowledged it's a good thing when used right, and that it CAN help people....I just don't think it's going to make you healthy for the rest of your life for all people no acception. I am trying to bring balance to the hype!> I HAD PUTor it discounts all others experience that don't line up with what you may be saying ect. (I have yet over 8 years of being around these boards-and MANY of them- found a formula that works with ALL kids for ALL healing)some things may be good for one when infact other kids may simply not need that. one mans food is another mans poisen (I LOVE this statement) and we can respectfully disagree. Dana and I for example have had different life journies with our kids. there were thing that were her kids answers that would have been devistating for my sons recovery, and vice versa, had she had her son on MY sons restrictive diet she wouldn't have gotten the answers and gains she needs for her child. we need to look at our kids a individuals with SO MANY different things going on....and the answers are MANY, and various,......one of the sayings I have used for years is there is more then one way to get from vermont to california. you can walk, hitch hick, take a train, a bus, a plane, go straight, go slow, go fast ect....but the imporant thing is you "get there" your jouney may not look like mine....and guess what! that is ok!!! you may be able to handle strep line probiotics,....mine can't. you may be able to eat gluten, mine it would trigger seizers, I may be able to loose his dx, others may not...I support your journey in learning....BIG TIME....but moderation and balance is good to!! >you replied "The differences people have that dont "line up" kinda explains degrees of Iodine deficiency and how the different systems can be effected. Why one thing works for some but not others. In some, Selenium might be all that is needed to jumpstart the thyroid into capturing and utilizing enough iodine. In others they cant create enough enzymes for breaking down gluten, which in turn create seizures, because there isnt enough iodine. Yet in others virus surmount armies because there isnt enough iodine. In others there is just a slight deficiency enough to creat problems we pass off as normal. Like anxiety. Mild Depression. The more systems thirsting for iodine means more dont work right and more damage. I think i am starting to ramble, we sort of are seeing the same picture. And i do get what you mean about bandwagons(getting people to see mercury's truths was always difficult, too!) and false hope, nothing works for some,been there."

but see with that then kids with different levels would show the same symptoms which again wouldn't line up either given experences of the collections of 14000 families out there plus. it would still start with certain things shutting down (thyroid being a maine one that would show first) I think some how you have gone so far you are lumping all things going wrong in a body to iodine which I find so scary (not because it's right) but because it's dangeous!!!

http://www.iodine4health.com/body/body.htm>

if you go to the page YOU posted and it's home page it still carries this warning

cautions when supplementing with iodine, other nutrients that are especially important when supplementing (e.g., selenium, magnesium, iron, Vitamins C and A), and general clinical guidelines.

which is my word or warning as well, you are giving some advice and I would hate to see someone take it and just run with out researching it and end up causing MORE problems (again no harm first) which is the balance I am trying to bring to this, you yourself posted that most won't take the time to read up so you are posting it for them, that is again is my fear that they also don't read the warnings and how to go about it safly!!

you weren't offensive

you put It's hard trying to get my point across sometimes without sounding too overzealous (because i am a believer!) or writing a book!

that is again what I am trying to bring balance to, I am SOOOO happy you found something that worked for YOU!! and I pray it brings some answers for all that it can be, but I don't want others that it's NOT the answer for (cause again I don't think it's EVERYONEs answer) or even safe for everyone but something to look into is a great recommendation. I think there is so mucn in our kids that gets overlooked for a long time. and I know many parents whose kids have had thyroid issues and iodine issues that had no idea because dr's don't typically check or do the right testing ( see I am with you here) there isn't good education on dr's on HOW to do that....

were still friends Cheryl

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there are many different KINDS Of yeast as well, fluconizole for example may get one type, nystaine another, amph B another.....so I still wouldn't write it off, what is making you think it's worms??

did you take pictures?? I have a pictures of a cluster of yeast that is all stringy like you are talking about if that would help. it's on the pop blogs...hehe....was the stool light in color??

From:

Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 6:04 PM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...

I've been doing yeast for a while now so I know it was not yeast....very different> > > >> > > > I hate to bust this thread but we ALL have worms, and parasites living in our bodies, you can do a quick thread on whip worms and they find people with GI issues are actually LOW in whip worms and it's being used a treatment. see you can't just look at what our kids have, you have to look at what our kids have that NT kids don't have......> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: allrpossible@ > > > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 9:39 PM> > > > To: mb12 valtrex > > > > Subject: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think it's worms as much as it's protozoa -- which are like > > > > microscopic worms. A researcher I know says that he found a protozoa in > > > > all of those with autism that he has tested. He further stated that he > > > > can not identify the protozoa, feeling that it has not yet been > > > > discovered in mainstream science. For the record, some of the > > > > antibiotics and worm medications, also kill protozoa. But, the natural > > > > things that kill protozoa are also often anti-viral. So, it's still > > > > unclear. At this point, I still believe it's best to treat for all > > > > pathogen types (protozoa, worms, bacteria, viruses, and yeast). Also, > > > > keep in mind that some of those with autism and/or mental retardation > > > > are getting it from worms. If you Google, you will learn that having > > > > worms while very young can cause mental retardation and all kinds of > > > > developmental delays, which would include autism symptoms. So, yes be > > > > aware that treating for worms and protozoa should be considered. Also, > > > > Google to learn how the testing is very unreliable. The good autism > > > > docs know this. It's about getting a good health practitioner that > > > > knows about which labs and testing to use or knows how to go by symptoms.> > > > > > > > Love and prayers,> > > > > > > > Heidi N> > > >> > >> >>

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a lot of that can also be tied in soly to yeast issues (brain frog, cycst, anxiety drepresion) and biotin defiency hair loss

From: laura19982005

Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 6:40 PM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...

Thanks very much Cheryl. Can you tell me which iodine board to go to please so I can do more research. I did a patch test with the tincture and don't seem deficient but I have lots of symptoms(severe hair loss, depression, anxiety, cold hands feet, sinus, ovarian cysts, yeast/sugar cravings, low energy, brain fog) and an autoimmune marker now. > >> > Cheryl, is 12.5 mgs a safe dose of iodine? I am struggling with hair loss and waiting on labs. My son is hypothyroid. Just wondering where to begin at?>

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that doesn't mean they don't have measels living in their gut, at one point you and your child shared blood!!! and you can also get stuff like that being around OTHER vaccinated kids or bathing with them. have you pulled titers?

From:

Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 12:24 AM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...

@Christel: Not vaccinated > >> > I don't think it's worms as much as it's protozoa -- which are like > > microscopic worms. A researcher I know says that he found a protozoa in > > all of those with autism that he has tested. He further stated that he > > can not identify the protozoa, feeling that it has not yet been > > discovered in mainstream science. For the record, some of the > > antibiotics and worm medications, also kill protozoa. But, the natural > > things that kill protozoa are also often anti-viral. So, it's still > > unclear. At this point, I still believe it's best to treat for all > > pathogen types (protozoa, worms, bacteria, viruses, and yeast). Also, > > keep in mind that some of those with autism and/or mental retardation > > are getting it from worms. If you Google, you will learn that having > > worms while very young can cause mental retardation and all kinds of > > developmental delays, which would include autism symptoms. So, yes be > > aware that treating for worms and protozoa should be considered. Also, > > Google to learn how the testing is very unreliable. The good autism > > docs know this. It's about getting a good health practitioner that > > knows about which labs and testing to use or knows how to go by symptoms.> > > > Love and prayers,> > > > Heidi N> >>

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Ok folks, can someone help me understand why Valtrex? This is a herpes med and just do not know more than boimeds and diet, also this worm thing has me thinking I've had worms all my life lol kinda scary. Is it that worms cause autistic behavior. Sorry to be a novice here, Just trying to understand it al.

Always Call

Christie Gravatt

We are not human beings having a spiritual experience, we are spiritual beings having a human experience!

Subject: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...To: mb12 valtrex Date: Saturday, February 19, 2011, 5:04 PM

I've been doing yeast for a while now so I know it was not yeast....very different> > > >> > > > I hate to bust this thread but we ALL have worms, and parasites living in our bodies, you can do a quick thread on whip worms and they find people with GI issues are actually LOW

in whip worms and it's being used a treatment. see you can't just look at what our kids have, you have to look at what our kids have that NT kids don't have......> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: allrpossible@ > > > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 9:39 PM> > > > To: mb12 valtrex > > > > Subject: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think it's worms as much as it's protozoa -- which are like > > > > microscopic worms. A researcher I know says that he found a protozoa in > > > > all of those with autism that he has

tested. He further stated that he > > > > can not identify the protozoa, feeling that it has not yet been > > > > discovered in mainstream science. For the record, some of the > > > > antibiotics and worm medications, also kill protozoa. But, the natural > > > > things that kill protozoa are also often anti-viral. So, it's still > > > > unclear. At this point, I still believe it's best to treat for all > > > > pathogen types (protozoa, worms, bacteria, viruses, and yeast). Also, > > > > keep in mind that some of those with autism and/or mental retardation > > > > are getting it from worms. If you Google, you will learn that having > > > > worms while very young can cause mental retardation and all kinds of > > > > developmental delays, which would include autism symptoms. So, yes be > >

> > aware that treating for worms and protozoa should be considered. Also, > > > > Google to learn how the testing is very unreliable. The good autism > > > > docs know this. It's about getting a good health practitioner that > > > > knows about which labs and testing to use or knows how to go by symptoms.> > > > > > > > Love and prayers,> > > > > > > > Heidi N> > > >> > >> >>

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Cheryl, it was awesome of you to bring us this info and everything you've learned about Iodine.

I learned a long time ago with people: the best you can do is share the knowledge and experiences you have, address any info they may have that you perceive to be mistaken, then move on. The more you argue, the more they will resist. I've gone through it with my in-laws and their little girl. Nothing you can do but share what you know and wait for divine intervention.

You've given everyone a great starting point to go learn more about it and investigate for themselves.Your contribution here has been invaluable. Thank you!

-Tammy

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sat, February 19, 2011 9:12:55 PMSubject: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...

eeek! That was very difficult to read! Hard to know where you start and i end or you end and i start and it's garbly. I needed more iodine just to process it And, well, i am pretty much to the point that no matter what i say will be taken wrong or twisted or laughed at.Most peoples' iodine levels are not just fine, even if their doctors said so. There are literally hundreds of people that have their docs tell them their iodine levels are just fine when in fact they arent.Same with thyroid levels. I said this before. I would recommend Brownsteins book:https://www.drbrownstein.com/bookstore_Iodine.phpLiver and kidney damage by antibiotics is real. To make light of it is wrong. To say it cant happen is really wrong. That you dont know of anyone that has had it happen yet is a more accurate statement. This info is based on

millions of antibiotic users, not hundreds. ScienceDaily (Dec. 8, 2008) — Antibiotics are the single largest class of agents that cause idiosyncratic drug-induced liver injury (DILI), reports a new study in Gastroenterology, an official journal of the American Gastroenterological Association (AGA) Institute. There is just too much info on antibiotics with real and potential damage to make that kind of statement that it never causes damage, and yet it made you laugh?And since some antibiotics do displace iodine it's ONLY temporary IF more iodine is given in enough quantity to displace the fluoride(one toxin in antibiotics that displaces the iodine) again (taking back its rightful spot), and it takes more to displace than to be displaced. Should i even try to go on? I think you just dont understand iodine, all that it does, all that the lack of it can effect. I mean no disrespect. You understand alot of things

about the body, about biomed, wayyy more than most! You do seem to have blinders on about iodine. Alot of the wrong knowledge about iodine. Or something. I feel like i can go on and on all day (and night) and it wont matter. Too many misconceptions and iodine myths and falsehoods and fears and belief that it cant be one thing (or one of many but the main thing) or easy.You cant be convinced. I get it. Almost 12 years ago Dana told me that biomed could help my child. I didnt believe her. Totally disregarded what she said. Came up with reasons why biomed couldnt possibly help him. He didnt fit the profiles. Didnt think anything, one thing or many things, would help him. I was wrong. I get it.Perhaps someday there will be enough evidence to convince you. I hope so. This conversation gave me the thought that I am glad I was more easily convinced :-)Cheryl