Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...

[Guest guest]

Cheryl, is 12.5 mgs a safe dose of iodine? I am struggling with hair loss and

waiting on labs. My son is hypothyroid. Just wondering where to begin at?

> > >

> > > As this group is now very intereted in parasites, I wanted to post to this

group what I posted to the borrelia board recently.

> > >

> > > I have been treating myself for lyme, strep, etc for over 3 years and have

been very sick. I was easily able to relate to my son's illness (AKA autism)

and have him dx with autism before he was 1 years old b/c I was sooo sick myself

with many symptoms similiar to autism.

> > >

> > > After many, many years of treatment, I am doing very well, finally, just

shortly after beginning an extensive worm protocol with allinia and an herbal

parasite formula in addition to the augmentin I take for strep.

> > >

> > > I know many families have found success treating for yeast, strep, lyme,

herpes, measles, but I am truly wondering if the root of our problem is worms.

This would certainly explain the gut issues and the malnutrition.

> > >

> > > My son is only about 2 weeks into his worm protocol, but we are optimistic

for great things (he potty trained in 24 hours.) We have actually stopped his

other supplements b/c I think many are feeding the worms and will resume once we

are further along.

> > >

> > > Caryn

>

[Guest guest]

I have heard that parasites eat folic acid, B12 and coQ10. This could account

for both speech delays and mitochondrial disfunction.

> > > > My son is only about 2 weeks into his worm protocol, but we are

optimistic for great things (he potty trained in 24 hours.) We have actually

stopped his other supplements b/c I think many are feeding the worms and will

resume once we are further along.

> > > >

> > > > Caryn

> >

>

[Guest guest]

My son and I made HUGE gains on mepron, an antiprotazoal, however, after those

gains stopped we are finding much more from alinia and plan to go through the

whole rotation that Dr Klinghardt uses for worms.

We continue to treat bacteria. We are not currently working on viruses, but

will add that back soon.

>

> I don't think it's worms as much as it's protozoa -- which are like

> microscopic worms. A researcher I know says that he found a protozoa in

> all of those with autism that he has tested. He further stated that he

> can not identify the protozoa, feeling that it has not yet been

> discovered in mainstream science. For the record, some of the

> antibiotics and worm medications, also kill protozoa. But, the natural

> things that kill protozoa are also often anti-viral. So, it's still

> unclear. At this point, I still believe it's best to treat for all

> pathogen types (protozoa, worms, bacteria, viruses, and yeast). Also,

> keep in mind that some of those with autism and/or mental retardation

> are getting it from worms. If you Google, you will learn that having

> worms while very young can cause mental retardation and all kinds of

> developmental delays, which would include autism symptoms. So, yes be

> aware that treating for worms and protozoa should be considered. Also,

> Google to learn how the testing is very unreliable. The good autism

> docs know this. It's about getting a good health practitioner that

> knows about which labs and testing to use or knows how to go by symptoms.

>

> Love and prayers,

>

> Heidi N

>

[Guest guest]

I don't necessarily think the worms causing autism are in the digestive tract.

This is why DANs are missing them.

>

> I hate to bust this thread but we ALL have worms, and parasites living in our

bodies, you can do a quick thread on whip worms and they find people with GI

issues are actually LOW in whip worms and it's being used a treatment. see you

can't just look at what our kids have, you have to look at what our kids have

that NT kids don't have......

>

>

>

> From: allrpossible@...

> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 9:39 PM

> To: mb12 valtrex

> Subject: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...

>

>

>

> I don't think it's worms as much as it's protozoa -- which are like

> microscopic worms. A researcher I know says that he found a protozoa in

> all of those with autism that he has tested. He further stated that he

> can not identify the protozoa, feeling that it has not yet been

> discovered in mainstream science. For the record, some of the

> antibiotics and worm medications, also kill protozoa. But, the natural

> things that kill protozoa are also often anti-viral. So, it's still

> unclear. At this point, I still believe it's best to treat for all

> pathogen types (protozoa, worms, bacteria, viruses, and yeast). Also,

> keep in mind that some of those with autism and/or mental retardation

> are getting it from worms. If you Google, you will learn that having

> worms while very young can cause mental retardation and all kinds of

> developmental delays, which would include autism symptoms. So, yes be

> aware that treating for worms and protozoa should be considered. Also,

> Google to learn how the testing is very unreliable. The good autism

> docs know this. It's about getting a good health practitioner that

> knows about which labs and testing to use or knows how to go by symptoms.

>

> Love and prayers,

>

> Heidi N

>

[Guest guest]

I agree. I think we have let the norm get so far from normal most of us accept

illness as normal. This putting worms in peoples' bodies really sounds like

whacked out science to me. A parasite that attaches to the body and sucks out

oxygen, glucose and blood has consequences. It seems to me thr researcher got

a " bright " idea that lack of worms created the problems and went with it, unable

to look past anything but his own theory.

Kinda like some researcher decided that mercury in babies was ok. We have all

seen where researchers get focused on their own cause and can make anything they

create look good.

Granted, the worms may be doing some good (a few people report relief of

symptoms) but to what extent is the rest of the body suffering? Why use a known

parasite that can and does cause illness when giving the body something it needs

and is lacking would accomplish the same end?

Kinda like the really expensive drug for Alzheimers they created cause there was

sooo much of a certain peptide in the brains of Alzheimers patients that they

assumed it must be the cause ! Only when given this drug the Alzheimers got

worse and many died. Ooops. Turns out the amyloid beta peptides were protecting

the brains.

I think what this worm researcher did (besides the inability to get past his

own theory) and so many others do, is look at portions of the body in isolation.

They isolate the GI tract, the liver, the reproductive organs, etc. They fail to

consider the body as a whole.

The end result for worm theory is that it helps the intestine create mucus.

Colitis is thought to be a lack of mucus. Iodine deficient bodies cant creat

mucus as efficiently as iodine sufficient bodies.

Need mucus? Got Iodine?

Cheryl

>

> Just because something is " the norm " ,  it does not necessarily make it Ok or

> healthy.  Why are GI kids low in whipworm?  Could be due to alot of

things. 

> Treaments for other symptoms might be killing them off.  Bigger, stronger

> invaders could be taking over....there's a number of possiblities.  With that

> said, there probably aren't as many NT kids walking around with these problems

> because  their bodies are  healthy and strong enough to keep parasites at a

safe

> level.  Let's not forget that these kids are so ill that their bodies can not

> handle the same burden as an NT.  So, just in the same way many of our

children

> will feel the effects of say... low vitamin d levels more than an NT would,

I'm

> sure the effects would be the same with parasites.  The majority of nt's are

> probably not seeing 3-4 days go by without bowel movements.  A chronically

> constipated child is a perfect host.  A child with leaky gut is a perfect

host

> as parasites will develop from undigested food rotting in the gut.  These

> parasites are in a perfect environment to not merely exist, but to thrive in

> great abundance.   

>

>

> When a 4 year old child poops out a 7 1/2 foot tapeworm, I will never be

> convinced that it wasn't affecting that baby's health. Thank God for  and

> Stan catching that.

>

>   I recently watched a news piece about a woman who was undergoing emergency

> brain surgery for a " tumor " that turned out to be a worm residing on her

brain. 

> The surgeon said this is becoming more and more common and instead of doctors

> seeing maybe one case in a lifetime, they are seeing multiples! 

> So this is something " NT " 's may be dealing with as well.   Crazy.

>

> -Tammy

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: mb12 valtrex

> Sent: Fri, February 18, 2011 10:10:45 PM

> Subject: Re: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...

>

>  

> I hate to bust this thread but we ALL have worms, and parasites living in our

> bodies, you can do a quick thread on whip worms and they find people with GI

> issues are actually LOW in whip worms and it’s being used a treatment.  see

you

> can't just look at what our kids have, you have to look at what our kids have

> that NT kids don't have......

>

>

>

> From: allrpossible@...

> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 9:39 PM

> To: mb12 valtrex

> Subject: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...

>  

> I don't think it's worms as much as it's protozoa -- which are like

> microscopic worms. A researcher I know says that he found a protozoa in

> all of those with autism that he has tested. He further stated that he

> can not identify the protozoa, feeling that it has not yet been

> discovered in mainstream science. For the record, some of the

> antibiotics and worm medications, also kill protozoa. But, the natural

> things that kill protozoa are also often anti-viral. So, it's still

> unclear. At this point, I still believe it's best to treat for all

> pathogen types (protozoa, worms, bacteria, viruses, and yeast). Also,

> keep in mind that some of those with autism and/or mental retardation

> are getting it from worms. If you Google, you will learn that having

> worms while very young can cause mental retardation and all kinds of

> developmental delays, which would include autism symptoms. So, yes be

> aware that treating for worms and protozoa should be considered. Also,

> Google to learn how the testing is very unreliable. The good autism

> docs know this. It's about getting a good health practitioner that

> knows about which labs and testing to use or knows how to go by symptoms.

>

> Love and prayers,

>

> Heidi N

>

[Guest guest]

Well, all iodine dosages are safe. It wont kill people. People take all sorts of

amounts and live! (Yes i am being onery).

12.5mg is considered to be the average daily dosage for a healthy adult person.

A maintenance dosage. So starting at that might be fine. Some people start less,

some start right in at the 50mg Protocol dosage. I started slow.(I was still

scared of iodine back then) I think there is some merit to the theory more is

better for the very damaged. Because with enough iodine the body is able to

remove the debri from the dieoff. So some iodine to kill the stuff and some to

remove what it kills. Cancer patients take from 100 to 200 mg.

You have to keep in mind there will be die off in the begining and if feeling

tired and crappy isnt an option for a few days starting slower might avoid that.

Depends on damage and how well the liver is working and making sure you have the

companion supplements especially Vit C and Natural Salt to avoid discomfort.

The amount you will need to reach sufficiency will depend on how deficient you

are. If you are experiencing symptoms then it's likely you are very deficient.

Taking 12.5mg will eventually make you have enough iodine, but it will take

longer than if you take 25mg or 50mg.

It really depends on how much your body needs. I feel really good at between

25mg to 50mg. Most days i get 50mg. I still have some liver congestion

occasionaly (mostly when i eat lots of fat, i admit i eat bad sometimes!). Other

than that i feel like i am getting healthier by the day. I am losing weight

still(slower than the begining), I have no IBS, I have no arthritis. No colds.

Little anxiety. I have no depression. My hair is getting thick again. I dont

have toe fungus. I think i still have Candida and probably need a short round of

higher dosage iodine to cure it faster. And now i think (maybe just by the power

of suggestion) i probably have some resistent parasites that probably need a

higher dosage or Black Walnut hulls to get out

So the dosages is up to you. Assess your damaged body,it's symptoms and that of

your son. Consider size of body (Adult,teen,child,toddler,infant) Look at

symptoms of iodine deficiency, overweight, digestive issues, depression,

anxiety, panic, OCD, recurrant colds, sinus, respiatory illness (long list).

After the initial die off period let how you feel guide you. If you are feeling

good at 12.5mg, have lots of energy, no colds, no infections, happy thoughts and

things are healing, the dosage is probably good for a slow steady recovery and

to gain sufficency. If not, you probably need more.

Cheryl

>

> Cheryl, is 12.5 mgs a safe dose of iodine? I am struggling with hair loss and

waiting on labs. My son is hypothyroid. Just wondering where to begin at?

[Guest guest]

Hi Tammy,

When you say you tried iodine and he got very sick, how much iodine, what kind

of iodine and what type of sick?

Not sure about the iodine blood levels. Different docs read results differently,

too. I know testing iodine in the blood is not reliable. Probably because

alot of iodine in the blood can mean either he was unable to uptake it into

cells (cause things like bromide/fluoride/chlorine/metals were displacing the

iodine) or his thyroid is unable to uptake iodine. Might be other reasons.

What was in the foot baths? The bleach smell may have been chlorine coming out.

Did you use distilled water in the baths? Is he taking Valtrex because of known

high virus levels? Is he high in metals too? When you say Valtrex is the only

one he could take, what were the others he couldnt take? (Wondering if something

in them also displaces iodine, like Antibiotics with Fluoride).

Cheryl

>

> Hi Chery.I have tried many, many things for my son, including iodine. He

> got very sick on it,just like everything else I try(except

> valtrex).Yesterday I found some blood work that had been done on my

> son,and his iodine levels where flagged as high.Do you know why his

> would be high? It was not at the time that I tried the iodine on

> him. Last year I got my son a series of foot baths

> and the first few foot baths where so full of a bleach smell you could

> hardly be in the same room.Someone said(maybe it was you) that ,that

> means my son needs more iodine .The body holds onto the bleach if it

> does not have enough iodine. Any thoughts on why his iodine level

> was high? Thank You,Tammy F.

[Guest guest]

This particular worm is not suppose to be in people. This particular worm

causes issues and are removed if found in people. They are not normally in

healthy bodies with good sanitation. The theory is that adding this worm

creates mucous so they are using the one good function of the worm(creating

mucous) to outweigh the bad (sucking of oxygen, blood and glucose) or even

finding the cause of the lack of mucus.

Or am i confused? Read so much about worms in the last few days its a definite

possibility. Probably the worms in my brain!

Cheryl

> >

> > I hate to bust this thread but we ALL have worms, and parasites living in

our bodies, you can do a quick thread on whip worms and they find people with GI

issues are actually LOW in whip worms and it's being used a treatment. see you

can't just look at what our kids have, you have to look at what our kids have

that NT kids don't have......

> >

> >

> >

> > From: allrpossible@

> > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 9:39 PM

> > To: mb12 valtrex

> > Subject: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...

> >

> >

> >

> > I don't think it's worms as much as it's protozoa -- which are like

> > microscopic worms. A researcher I know says that he found a protozoa in

> > all of those with autism that he has tested. He further stated that he

> > can not identify the protozoa, feeling that it has not yet been

> > discovered in mainstream science. For the record, some of the

> > antibiotics and worm medications, also kill protozoa. But, the natural

> > things that kill protozoa are also often anti-viral. So, it's still

> > unclear. At this point, I still believe it's best to treat for all

> > pathogen types (protozoa, worms, bacteria, viruses, and yeast). Also,

> > keep in mind that some of those with autism and/or mental retardation

> > are getting it from worms. If you Google, you will learn that having

> > worms while very young can cause mental retardation and all kinds of

> > developmental delays, which would include autism symptoms. So, yes be

> > aware that treating for worms and protozoa should be considered. Also,

> > Google to learn how the testing is very unreliable. The good autism

> > docs know this. It's about getting a good health practitioner that

> > knows about which labs and testing to use or knows how to go by symptoms.

> >

> > Love and prayers,

> >

> > Heidi N

> >

>

[Guest guest]

so my daughter has been pretty yeasty lately and I've been giving her

probiotics. she's been passing snotty looking yeast and then this morning I saw

2 worms in it----white and about an inch (just over maybe) long.

I've been reading that families will usually have them together, so I def. know

something is up with my son!!

or maybe I should have put them back in..........

H

> > >

> > > I hate to bust this thread but we ALL have worms, and parasites living in

our bodies, you can do a quick thread on whip worms and they find people with GI

issues are actually LOW in whip worms and it's being used a treatment. see you

can't just look at what our kids have, you have to look at what our kids have

that NT kids don't have......

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > From: allrpossible@

> > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 9:39 PM

> > > To: mb12 valtrex

> > > Subject: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I don't think it's worms as much as it's protozoa -- which are like

> > > microscopic worms. A researcher I know says that he found a protozoa in

> > > all of those with autism that he has tested. He further stated that he

> > > can not identify the protozoa, feeling that it has not yet been

> > > discovered in mainstream science. For the record, some of the

> > > antibiotics and worm medications, also kill protozoa. But, the natural

> > > things that kill protozoa are also often anti-viral. So, it's still

> > > unclear. At this point, I still believe it's best to treat for all

> > > pathogen types (protozoa, worms, bacteria, viruses, and yeast). Also,

> > > keep in mind that some of those with autism and/or mental retardation

> > > are getting it from worms. If you Google, you will learn that having

> > > worms while very young can cause mental retardation and all kinds of

> > > developmental delays, which would include autism symptoms. So, yes be

> > > aware that treating for worms and protozoa should be considered. Also,

> > > Google to learn how the testing is very unreliable. The good autism

> > > docs know this. It's about getting a good health practitioner that

> > > knows about which labs and testing to use or knows how to go by symptoms.

> > >

> > > Love and prayers,

> > >

> > > Heidi N

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

LOL

put them back in! Too funny.

Were you giving something else for the worms (Sorry i cant remember who all is

on what!) or just the Probiotics. I am looking to try some kind of worm thing

(So far thinking Black walnut hulls and wormwood, if i dont just do a megadosage

of iodine) not adding a worm but to remove them.

Cheryl

>

> so my daughter has been pretty yeasty lately and I've been giving her

probiotics. she's been passing snotty looking yeast and then this morning I saw

2 worms in it----white and about an inch (just over maybe) long.

>

> I've been reading that families will usually have them together, so I def.

know something is up with my son!!

>

> or maybe I should have put them back in..........

>

> H

[Guest guest]

no worm stuff for her, just giving her a 1 capsule a day of my son's High

potency Kirkman's Lacto-Duo.

I am not seeing the snotty yeasty stuff come out of my son...pretty normal

looking stools aside from his crazy behaviors. I am doing the Paranil/BW &

Wormwood for him

> >

> > so my daughter has been pretty yeasty lately and I've been giving her

probiotics. she's been passing snotty looking yeast and then this morning I saw

2 worms in it----white and about an inch (just over maybe) long.

> >

> > I've been reading that families will usually have them together, so I def.

know something is up with my son!!

> >

> > or maybe I should have put them back in..........

> >

> > H

>

[Guest guest]

Actually i wasnt assuming, it was what i read. The worms can and does do bad

things to people. Kinda like antibiotics can and does do bad things to people.

I am more inclined to do no harm. Giving the body what it needs to fix itself is

my idea of doing no harm.

We are actually starting to see a market for iodine with whole people walking

around healthy. Just have to read the iodine board for a few days to see this.

Doctors are now recommending it 10 times more than they were just a few years

ago. Granted many docs arent on board yet, and some will never be, but many are

there now. And seeing the results.

You say: " iodine will not solve and IGA defiency (it's an immune problem) or

celiac diesase or metal issues ect. "

That is a false statement. Iodine has shown and is showing effect on all those

issues. Iodine solves it because the gut needs iodine to work correctly. Iodine

lowers or eliminates antibodies. Iodine helps the body chelate metals. Consider

the possibility the research into celiac didnt exactly point to a genetic

disease but actually if they looked further they would find iodine deficiency.

Not saying its true, saying it's not known.

I personally think most research is flawed because all researchers fail to have

baseline nutritional levels. Without knowing if iodine (or other necessary

nutrients) levels are deficient how can they know the real cause? I dont think

they can. Perhaps they are only seeing the effect, not the cause.

New research is proving that iodine helps and cures those with a thyroid

disorder.Both hyper and hypo. Iodine never killed anyone. That is a myth

perpetuated by doctors that are iodiophobic. Make someone so sick with dieoff

they think they were dying, maybe.

I have never said it was THE one thing. Iodine is the main thing, probably cause

it is one thing most deficient in all people. It is one of many nutrients the

body is lacking. And when the body is lacking iodine the entire body goes

haywire.To different degress. This is proven. And being proven still in the many

people that are fixing their problems with iodine. And magnesium and Vit C and

Selenium and D3 and Natural Salt. And clean water. And protein. All in

combination. Take away the iodine and you dont have the healing effect, so yeah

i tend to think it's the iodine.

Iodine doesnt suddenly remove autism. Never said it did. Always said it takes

time to effect healing in the body. It doesnt happen overnight.

I think that we see the forest differently. Altho we seem to agree on many

things, there is this one thing we dont, iodine. With the utmost respect for

your biomedical knowledge, I think you have a lack of iodine knowledge, as this

post in my opinion reflects. And it effects your perception of the forest more

than you realize. And it scares me to think people will not try iodine because

of it.

And i think a person with your experience and knowledge could do so many people

a favor (because you know so much and share so much of that knowledge) by

learning the truth about iodine.

Cheryl

>

> yeah but you are assumeing this parasite is doing all this bad stuff. if its

doing good stuff its no more wacked out then putting good bacteria or good yeast

in you. (probiotics and sacc you are also assume this helps a low % of

people which the results show much differently. you are also assumeing that the

parasite is causing illness when again it isn't. I know families with autism

who have done this and seen amazing things (not just GI related) you are also

making an assumption that iodine is a solve all for all things. which is absurd

to think that one thing will cure all things. if that was the case we would

again have whole people walking around and the market of iodine would be

flooded. coming from someone with a throid disorder that iodine could have

KILLED....this is a scary thing for me to watch you assume that blanket wise

this covers all things for all people and solves all medical problems. iodine

will not solve and IGA defiency (it's an immune problem) or celiac diesase or

metal issues ect. which can be the base root of some of these other issues.

you don't live by iodine alone. you have to look at people as individuals and

see what is going haywire in THEM, and what things can effect that....and I

think I am safe to say that doesn't come back to ONE thing being the defect in

all society. for years I have watch drs scream that about one vitamine (like

vit D was the crazy a few years back) and that if we all had good levels in that

we wouldn't have cancer, or colds, or flu, or autism ect ect ect. they are

dangerous band wagons to watch people on. that being said vit D IS important,

and we need to look and say ok how are my levels??? same for iondine! but I

wouldn't run and say ALL people need iodine and all things going haywire in a

body are because all people are low. infact that can do great harm.....look at

our vaccination program....life is just simpley NOT a one size fits all shirt!

I had to avoid iodine to the place I had to have them REPREP my C-section

because they didn't read my birth plan! I could have gone into shock had I not

noticed. we as the autism community as a whole are out tring a lot of " wacked

out thing " because there are NO ONE answers. HBOT, CHELATION, MASSIVE DIET

CHANGES, UNGODLY LEVELS OF PROBIOTICS, GOOD YEAST, TONS OF MEDS AND SUPPLIMENTS,

that the world looks as wacked out. are they really??? NO we are healing

looking at the individual.....you can't replace iodine in for a lot of those

things and expect it suddenly makes autism go away any more then just removing

gluten would do. it may help a few areas, but there is a whole big picture to

look at, don't get lost In the forest looking at just one tree.....when there

is a whole forest infront of you yet to conquire!

[Guest guest]

My husband had Crohn's and it went away on clindamycin, rifampin and flagyl

combo for several months.

> > >

> > > actually it BEING the norm can means we are meant to co-exist, which is

> > the point of the whip worms, they keep the mucus in the gut like it should

> > (IGA lining) which you are also linking into the vit A discussion. it being

> > the norm and people NOT having problems WITH having them and our kids being

> > LOW in them and having issues WITH OUT Them suggests we NEED them for proper

> > health.....they treat by taking the the eggs of the whip worms which hatch

> > on their way down and take root (and before you get grossed out- it's really

> > no different then talking about probiotics) it's taking something that is in

> > all bodies (again we ALL have bacteria in our body, we all have yeast in our

> > body, we all have worms in our bodies, we all have parasites in our bodies)

> > its not just kids seeing benefits with the whip worms eggs, it also adults,

> > those with IBD and IBS completely better when reinhibited.....the theory is

> > from it allowing the body to have the mucus lineing that the person can't

> > produce and is our IGA production then needing this and THIS is why we are

> > low when we have IGA issues....

> > >

> > >

> > > From: T Lynn

> > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 11:26 PM

> > > To: mb12 valtrex

> > > Subject: Re: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Just because something is " the norm " , it does not necessarily make it Ok

> > or healthy. Why are GI kids low in whipworm? Could be due to alot of things.

> > Treaments for other symptoms might be killing them off. Bigger, stronger

> > invaders could be taking over....there's a number of possiblities. With that

> > said, there probably aren't as many NT kids walking around with these

> > problems because their bodies are healthy and strong enough to keep

> > parasites at a safe level. Let's not forget that these kids are so ill that

> > their bodies can not handle the same burden as an NT. So, just in the same

> > way many of our children will feel the effects of say... low vitamin d

> > levels more than an NT would, I'm sure the effects would be the same with

> > parasites. The majority of nt's are probably not seeing 3-4 days go by

> > without bowel movements. A chronically constipated child is a perfect host.

> > A child with leaky gut is a perfect host as parasites will develop from

> > undigested food rotting in the gut. These parasites are in a perfect

> > environment to not merely exist, but to thrive in great abundance.

> > >

> > > When a 4 year old child poops out a 7 1/2 foot tapeworm, I will never be

> > convinced that it wasn't affecting that baby's health. Thank God for

> > and Stan catching that.

> > >

> > > I recently watched a news piece about a woman who was undergoing

> > emergency brain surgery for a " tumor " that turned out to be a worm residing

> > on her brain. The surgeon said this is becoming more and more common and

> > instead of doctors seeing maybe one case in a lifetime, they are seeing

> > multiples!

> > > So this is something " NT " 's may be dealing with as well. Crazy.

> > >

> > > -Tammy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ----------------------------------------------------------

> > > From: Christel Church <revchristelking@>

> >

> > > To: mb12 valtrex

> > > Sent: Fri, February 18, 2011 10:10:45 PM

> > > Subject: Re: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I hate to bust this thread but we ALL have worms, and parasites living in

> > our bodies, you can do a quick thread on whip worms and they find people

> > with GI issues are actually LOW in whip worms and it’s being used a

> > treatment. see you can't just look at what our kids have, you have to look

> > at what our kids have that NT kids don't have......

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > From: allrpossible@

> > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 9:39 PM

> > > To: mb12 valtrex

> > > Subject: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I don't think it's worms as much as it's protozoa -- which are like

> > > microscopic worms. A researcher I know says that he found a protozoa in

> > > all of those with autism that he has tested. He further stated that he

> > > can not identify the protozoa, feeling that it has not yet been

> > > discovered in mainstream science. For the record, some of the

> > > antibiotics and worm medications, also kill protozoa. But, the natural

> > > things that kill protozoa are also often anti-viral. So, it's still

> > > unclear. At this point, I still believe it's best to treat for all

> > > pathogen types (protozoa, worms, bacteria, viruses, and yeast). Also,

> > > keep in mind that some of those with autism and/or mental retardation

> > > are getting it from worms. If you Google, you will learn that having

> > > worms while very young can cause mental retardation and all kinds of

> > > developmental delays, which would include autism symptoms. So, yes be

> > > aware that treating for worms and protozoa should be considered. Also,

> > > Google to learn how the testing is very unreliable. The good autism

> > > docs know this. It's about getting a good health practitioner that

> > > knows about which labs and testing to use or knows how to go by symptoms.

> > >

> > > Love and prayers,

> > >

> > > Heidi N

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Toni

>

> ------

> Mind like a steel trap...

> Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

>

[Guest guest]

Yes. And for protozoa it is to stop coQ10 metabolism. Starve or poison.

Caryn

> > > > > > My son is only about 2 weeks into his worm protocol, but we are

> > optimistic for great things (he potty trained in 24 hours.) We have actually

> > stopped his other supplements b/c I think many are feeding the worms and

> > will resume once we are further along.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Caryn

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Toni

>

> ------

> Mind like a steel trap...

> Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

>

[Guest guest]

I understood what you said about the lack of whip worms in the GI tract causing

autism, however, my opinion differs.

Possibly the lack of whipworms causes an overgrowth of other worms, however,

either way, treating a worm overgrowth is creating tremendous gains at my house.

> >

> > I hate to bust this thread but we ALL have worms, and parasites living in

our bodies, you can do a quick thread on whip worms and they find people with GI

issues are actually LOW in whip worms and it's being used a treatment. see you

can't just look at what our kids have, you have to look at what our kids have

that NT kids don't have......

> >

> >

> >

> > From: allrpossible@

> > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 9:39 PM

> > To: mb12 valtrex

> > Subject: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...

> >

> >

> >

> > I don't think it's worms as much as it's protozoa -- which are like

> > microscopic worms. A researcher I know says that he found a protozoa in

> > all of those with autism that he has tested. He further stated that he

> > can not identify the protozoa, feeling that it has not yet been

> > discovered in mainstream science. For the record, some of the

> > antibiotics and worm medications, also kill protozoa. But, the natural

> > things that kill protozoa are also often anti-viral. So, it's still

> > unclear. At this point, I still believe it's best to treat for all

> > pathogen types (protozoa, worms, bacteria, viruses, and yeast). Also,

> > keep in mind that some of those with autism and/or mental retardation

> > are getting it from worms. If you Google, you will learn that having

> > worms while very young can cause mental retardation and all kinds of

> > developmental delays, which would include autism symptoms. So, yes be

> > aware that treating for worms and protozoa should be considered. Also,

> > Google to learn how the testing is very unreliable. The good autism

> > docs know this. It's about getting a good health practitioner that

> > knows about which labs and testing to use or knows how to go by symptoms.

> >

> > Love and prayers,

> >

> > Heidi N

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I live in indiana and I was wondering who you saw?

> >

> > I don't think it's worms as much as it's protozoa -- which are like

> > microscopic worms. A researcher I know says that he found a protozoa in

> > all of those with autism that he has tested. He further stated that he

> > can not identify the protozoa, feeling that it has not yet been

> > discovered in mainstream science. For the record, some of the

> > antibiotics and worm medications, also kill protozoa. But, the natural

> > things that kill protozoa are also often anti-viral. So, it's still

> > unclear. At this point, I still believe it's best to treat for all

> > pathogen types (protozoa, worms, bacteria, viruses, and yeast). Also,

> > keep in mind that some of those with autism and/or mental retardation

> > are getting it from worms. If you Google, you will learn that having

> > worms while very young can cause mental retardation and all kinds of

> > developmental delays, which would include autism symptoms. So, yes be

> > aware that treating for worms and protozoa should be considered. Also,

> > Google to learn how the testing is very unreliable. The good autism

> > docs know this. It's about getting a good health practitioner that

> > knows about which labs and testing to use or knows how to go by symptoms.

> >

> > Love and prayers,

> >

> > Heidi N

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I am going to try and respond and cover everything but it was long and I feel i

should address a few things but dont know how to do it effectively without

leavin in what was said.

> antibiotics can also be helpful when used correctly, they are not evil in and

of themselves and can bring healing!

>

I agree. Some antibiotics do however displace iodine from cells, making problems

worse. They all wipe out the good bacteria. So, both short and long term they

compound the exsisting problem. Some long term isnt even known. Does the benefit

outweight the bad? Depends if there is something else that works. Depends if a

person is willing to risk kidney or liver failure or the bodies inability to

utilize antibiotics in the future (possibly against some major bug) or not. If

it makes a child able to talk and learn now at a young age when learning is most

important, maybe it's worth the risks.I just really think antibiotics arent

necessary, and do more harm than good especially long term, when iodine is

available.

> you said " Iodine has shown and is showing effect on all those issues " effect

yes, that is a large leap to cure!

>

I try not to say cure to avoid posts like this ;-)

People ARE being cured.

> where is your info on iodine chelating??

Iodine doesnt chelate per se. It is required by the body to allow excretion of

metals.

> " it will not looseing metals from the organs in the body or cross the BBB to

bring metals across that I have ever seen anywhere?!? "

Iodine IS already in the brain. Kinda floats freely back and forth. It's in

cerebrospinal fluid. Its everywhere. Metals like iodine. Seems a likely

deduction. There are some Russian studies you might try googling: russia iodine

chelation. The US basically doesnt have many studies into iodine after 1940. A

few of the iodine docs have case studies. There are some china studies. And pet

studies that are interesting, too.

> you said " Iodine solves it because the gut needs iodine to work correctly "

the gut needs many things work correctly, again glutamine can do that as

well....but again its not going to cure everybody! probiotics can do that, but

may not be everyones answers, pancretic enzymes can be effective as well....they

are ALL needed to work correctly.

>

The difference between Iodine and gluatmine, probiotics, pancreatic enzymes etc,

are that while all help the body function, only iodine controls and is dependent

on all of them to work properly. In iodine deficient people some cant utlize

glutamine, some have overgrowth of bad bacteria and the probiotics help that, in

others enzymes break down the food. It's the iodine that sets the stage for the

other things to work right.

>I have yet to see any study that has said all people with GI issues have low

iodine...have you? that would be amazing if it was!

>

There are few to no studies about iodine and the gut, because iodine was written

off years ago because there is no profit in it. But there are a few pages to

read if googled. There are studies in other countries and a few new case

studies began in the last 3 years because of what people are seeing. I dont see

our country jumping on the bandwagon any time soon tho, cause it would mean

billions of dollars lost.

Try not to go by studies. Studies are mostly manipulated to get the results they

want and if they arent they still fail to take into account nutritional

baseline sufficiency.

> you said " Consider the possibility the research into celiac didnt exactly

point to a genetic disease but actually if they looked further they would find

iodine deficiency. Not saying its true, saying it's not known "

again that is making some bold assumption with out any research backing it...or

even suggestive studies showing it. it can be a chicken and the egg thing as

well. were they celiac first (via genes and genetics) which lead to leaky gut

which lead to iodine being lost???!?!?! I wouldn't think iodine would change

genes.....

>

I said consider the possibility, no assumption in stone.

The point was how do they really know its the genes. I agree it could be chicken

and egg I believe it was iodine deficiency leading to leaky gut that lead to

celiac which made it appear as if it was a gene expression rather than a

nutritional deficiency expression.

> you said " probably cause it is one thing most deficient in all people. It is

one of many nutrients the body is lacking. And when the body is lacking iodine

the entire body goes haywire. "

> where are you finding that it is the ONE thing most deficient in all people???

>

The many doctors that are now actually testing for Iodine deficiency.

https://www.drbrownstein.com/homePage.php

http://www.adb.org/documents/books/nutrition/what_works/chapter5.pdf

WHO http://whqlibdoc.who.int/publications/2004/9241592001.pdf

http://www.wellsphere.com/add-adhd-article/iodine-deficiency-or-adhd/578243

http://www.iccidd.org/

there are more, and new articles and research...

> anytime the body is lacking in ANY nutrient the body suffers and goes haywire,

not just iodine....

I agree

> you say " This is proven. And being proven still in the many people that are

fixing their problems with iodine. And magnesium and Vit C and Selenium and D3

and Natural Salt. And clean water. And protein. All in combination. Take away

the iodine and you dont have the healing effect, so yeah i tend to think it's

the iodine. "

>

> really??? so if you put in dirty water or take out natural salts but leave

the iodine then healing couldn't happen???? you realize then that with a

statement like that we should just be able to take iodine and BOOM everything is

better! we all know TONS of healing stories and with out iodine that would

also prove that whole statement false!

>

You misinterpret what i said. If for example natural salt isnt used then the

body will feel bad, it will still heal, but not very comfortably.

We all need things to help the iodine fix the damage.

But yeah, for the most part i would say i had a bigggg booooom and everything

feels better! Do I think others will feel this too. Yep. Cause i have seen it

happen to many people on the Iodine board for the last 2 years. Seen it happen

in real life to other's too.

Healing stories? Are they healed or maintained? Are they cleaning the

environment in the body just enough so that what little iodine is available

makes things work a little better?

> you said " I have never said it was THE one thing "

> so what do I do with the last 2 statement you made?? and HOW is that NOT

saying that iodine is the ONE cure all. both your statements above condridict

your whole premise of saying that

>

Confusion. Out of context? not sure how you came to that conclusion.

> you are sadly mistaken on my knowledge of iodine as well,

>

I apologize, it did appear to me that you were basing your knowledge on things

you had heard or read, because what you wrote is consistent with iodophobia.

http://www.icnr.com/articles/hhp/Iodine2.pdf

> I had to research it years ago with having graves disease (which I also undid

and it had NOTHING to do with iodine) I had to avoid it like the plague and

still don't use it. (not in my salts ect) my thryoid levels have been fine for

6 years now. your posting did also make me dig more (I love research) infact I

went as far as turning my famiy into an experiment after you posting and doing

patch testing on us all. my son (previous ASD and many medical problems solved

and didn't use any iodine) lasted 8 hours. my NT daughter 12, my NT yountest 8

hours me 18 the first day. (both my son and youngest have autoimmune issues and

LYME and PANDAS so I thought with their clostrida, yeast and lyme it would make

for an intersting study) 2nd day trial 12 hours on previous ASD boy and mine

normal 24 hours. my NT middle 24 hours, and my youngest it lasted 3 days!!!!!

(yeah how about THAT swing????) yeah and she STILL has a slight mark.

>

The patch test is dependent on many things. Lugols iodine used vs tincture.

Where it was placed. Not scientific, but can suggest a deficiency.

It seems to me your entire family is deficient to some extent. So Clostrida,

yeast, lyme are all still issues? Auto immune problems? PANDAS? What it sounds

like is all the intervention you have done has helped what little iodine is

available work better but not to the point of being enough. Or there would no

longer be issues.

You say your thyroid levels are fine but are they? Most docs cant read a thyroid

test results properly and most dont even test the right things.(and i apologize

if you have one of the few docs actually testing T3, T4 and Frees, i am

assuming you dont cause not many do)And if thyroid levels are fine the issues

are less or none.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>I had a terrible reaction back in the day with meds for thyroid and iodine.

ended up sitting a drooling for 2 days completely unable to function and rocking

because my thryoid was being messed with so bad and could swing from hyper to

hypo in less then a week or 2.

>

You most likely were given Synthroid. And the reaction you experienced is common

for a very small percentage of the population. Most doctors dont even know this.

For the rest of the population Synthroid can lead to a steady decline of thyroid

function as well as a cascading effect of illness to the entire body. It's one

of the worst things a person can use, right up there with vaccines.

Natural Thyroid supplement is the only thyroid hormone supplement anyone should

be using. The best thing is to encourage the thyroid to work on it's own.

Iodine does this by capturing iodine.

>they were talking about removing my thryoid because the swings were so sever,

or doing a bata block to bring me back from the coma state I was in.

>

Glad you didnt let them remove it!

The selenium helps the iodine in your body work better. One of the things on the

Iodine Protocol.

> there are many great things I Have found over my many years of biomed. and

watch parents grab on because it does great things in THEIR life. and that is

great! share it by all means! I am certainly not here to bash your experience

and I think patch testing is a wise Idea to see where your kids are at.

>

I too have found alot of things in biomed in the last 10 years. Some helped,

some didnt. And why i am here so others might try Iodine for themselves, then

they can see great things, too.

>BUT I hate when I see parents go so far on a limb to think it's the ONE thing

that is going to change your whole life outlook on healing

>

But just what if, it is...

>because it puts terrible messages out to those that won't try it

>

I guess i find it hard to fathom why someone wont try something that just might

be the key. Because others bash it? I can see many disregarding iodine because

of your post. And why i am spending time trying to change that disregard. And

yes, your own opinion, too. I am relentless! Because i truly believe it's the

major factor. Knowing would be better. The more people using iodine and the more

we will know for sure. Until then we just gotta try!

Just a little poking into the internet might convince most folks. Perhaps it

will spur them on to try biomed for the first time? So many are against it for

many reasons. Or they think it too difficult. I certainly use to find it

difficult at times to get the right stuff.To understand it all took alot of

time. Time some dont have.

>or it discounts all others experience that don't line up with what you may be

saying ect. (I have yet over 8 years of being around these boards-and MANY of

them- found a formula that works with ALL kids for ALL healing)some things may

be good for one when infact other kids may simply not need that. one mans food

is another mans poisen (I LOVE this statement) and we can respectfully disagree.

Dana and I for example have had different life journies with our kids. there

were thing that were her kids answers that would have been devistating for my

sons recovery, and vice versa, had she had her son on MY sons restrictive diet

she wouldn't have gotten the answers and gains she needs for her child. we need

to look at our kids a individuals with SO MANY different things going on....and

the answers are MANY, and various,......one of the sayings I have used for years

is there is more then one way to get from vermont to california. you can walk,

hitch hick, take a train, a bus, a plane, go straight, go slow, go fast

ect....but the imporant thing is you " get there " your jouney may not look like

mine....and guess what! that is ok!!! you may be able to handle strep line

probiotics,....mine can't. you may be able to eat gluten, mine it would trigger

seizers, I may be able to loose his dx, others may not...I support your journey

in learning....BIG TIME....but moderation and balance is good to!!

>

The differences people have that dont " line up " kinda explains degrees of Iodine

deficiency and how the different systems can be effected. Why one thing works

for some but not others. In some, Selenium might be all that is needed to

jumpstart the thyroid into capturing and utilizing enough iodine. In others they

cant create enough enzymes for breaking down gluten, which in turn create

seizures, because there isnt enough iodine. Yet in others virus surmount armies

because there isnt enough iodine. In others there is just a slight deficiency

enough to creat problems we pass off as normal. Like anxiety. Mild Depression.

The more systems thirsting for iodine means more dont work right and more

damage. I think i am starting to ramble, we sort of are seeing the same picture.

And i do get what you mean about bandwagons(getting people to see mercury's

truths was always difficult, too!) and false hope, nothing works for some,been

there.

I am tryin to say its one thing even if it isnt one thing but it really is one

thing as long as you have other things and even other things can help but there

is still that one thing.

And that was in my best Dr. Seuss voice ;-)

>hyper and hypo thryoid even respond differntly for iodine....I find it scary

that you recommend for BOTH to do big doses of iodine and I would causion again

that....and for people to do there own research.

>

It's not just what i recommend. Or perhaps i do, but my recommendation is based

on the recommendations and findings of iodine docs. Do the research but stop

listening to mainstream medicine ? lol thats what i recommend.

http://www.iodine4health.com/body/body.htm

>

I would hate for someone to sit rocking for days like a zobbie drooling on

yourself like I did for days.....thyroids are still organs to rever and read up

on and protect your body in the process of learning.

>

Have never heard of anyone sitting and rocking for days with iodine. Quite the

opposite. use to rock, alot.

Have heard of that with Synthroid. And many worse things it can do. I saw a good

friend go deep into depression because of that stuff. The doc was clueless. Then

comes the oh it must be something else cause there is no way it was the

Synthroid speech. Or the friend that has been on it for 30 years and still has

tons of thyroid issues that have created other issues, but still cant believe

its the Synthroid.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

Hope i wasnt offensive, not my intent.Just trying to help. It's hard trying to

get my point across sometimes without sounding too overzealous (because i am a

believer!) or writing a book!

Cheryl

[Guest guest]

His name is Wickey in Auburn just 30 min north of Ft. Wayne. He's Amish

so you have to write a letter to get an appt which the wait time is like 3

months.

He doesn't charge a dime, but will accept postage stamps.

The man has a gift. You can read the book " He's Not Autistic, But... " The mother

who wrote the book recovered her son using his guidance. We've been twice.

> > >

> > > I don't think it's worms as much as it's protozoa -- which are like

> > > microscopic worms. A researcher I know says that he found a protozoa in

> > > all of those with autism that he has tested. He further stated that he

> > > can not identify the protozoa, feeling that it has not yet been

> > > discovered in mainstream science. For the record, some of the

> > > antibiotics and worm medications, also kill protozoa. But, the natural

> > > things that kill protozoa are also often anti-viral. So, it's still

> > > unclear. At this point, I still believe it's best to treat for all

> > > pathogen types (protozoa, worms, bacteria, viruses, and yeast). Also,

> > > keep in mind that some of those with autism and/or mental retardation

> > > are getting it from worms. If you Google, you will learn that having

> > > worms while very young can cause mental retardation and all kinds of

> > > developmental delays, which would include autism symptoms. So, yes be

> > > aware that treating for worms and protozoa should be considered. Also,

> > > Google to learn how the testing is very unreliable. The good autism

> > > docs know this. It's about getting a good health practitioner that

> > > knows about which labs and testing to use or knows how to go by symptoms.

> > >

> > > Love and prayers,

> > >

> > > Heidi N

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I've been doing yeast for a while now so I know it was not yeast....very

different

> > > >

> > > > I hate to bust this thread but we ALL have worms, and parasites living

in our bodies, you can do a quick thread on whip worms and they find people with

GI issues are actually LOW in whip worms and it's being used a treatment. see

you can't just look at what our kids have, you have to look at what our kids

have that NT kids don't have......

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > From: allrpossible@

> > > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 9:39 PM

> > > > To: mb12 valtrex

> > > > Subject: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I don't think it's worms as much as it's protozoa -- which are like

> > > > microscopic worms. A researcher I know says that he found a protozoa

in

> > > > all of those with autism that he has tested. He further stated that he

> > > > can not identify the protozoa, feeling that it has not yet been

> > > > discovered in mainstream science. For the record, some of the

> > > > antibiotics and worm medications, also kill protozoa. But, the natural

> > > > things that kill protozoa are also often anti-viral. So, it's still

> > > > unclear. At this point, I still believe it's best to treat for all

> > > > pathogen types (protozoa, worms, bacteria, viruses, and yeast). Also,

> > > > keep in mind that some of those with autism and/or mental retardation

> > > > are getting it from worms. If you Google, you will learn that having

> > > > worms while very young can cause mental retardation and all kinds of

> > > > developmental delays, which would include autism symptoms. So, yes be

> > > > aware that treating for worms and protozoa should be considered. Also,

> > > > Google to learn how the testing is very unreliable. The good autism

> > > > docs know this. It's about getting a good health practitioner that

> > > > knows about which labs and testing to use or knows how to go by

symptoms.

> > > >

> > > > Love and prayers,

> > > >

> > > > Heidi N

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks very much Cheryl. Can you tell me which iodine board to go to please so

I can do more research. I did a patch test with the tincture and don't seem

deficient but I have lots of symptoms(severe hair loss, depression, anxiety,

cold hands feet, sinus, ovarian cysts, yeast/sugar cravings, low energy, brain

fog) and an autoimmune marker now.

> >

> > Cheryl, is 12.5 mgs a safe dose of iodine? I am struggling with hair loss

and waiting on labs. My son is hypothyroid. Just wondering where to begin at?

>

[Guest guest]

Christie! are you on facebook?

> > > > >

> > > > > I hate to bust this thread but we ALL have worms, and parasites living

in our bodies, you can do a quick thread on whip worms and they find people with

GI issues are actually LOW in whip worms and it's being used a treatment. see

you can't just look at what our kids have, you have to look at what our kids

have that NT kids don't have......

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > From: allrpossible@

> > > > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 9:39 PM

> > > > > To: mb12 valtrex

> > > > > Subject: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't think it's worms as much as it's protozoa -- which are like

> > > > > microscopic worms. A researcher I know says that he found a protozoa

in

> > > > > all of those with autism that he has tested. He further stated that he

> > > > > can not identify the protozoa, feeling that it has not yet been

> > > > > discovered in mainstream science. For the record, some of the

> > > > > antibiotics and worm medications, also kill protozoa. But, the natural

> > > > > things that kill protozoa are also often anti-viral. So, it's still

> > > > > unclear. At this point, I still believe it's best to treat for all

> > > > > pathogen types (protozoa, worms, bacteria, viruses, and yeast). Also,

> > > > > keep in mind that some of those with autism and/or mental retardation

> > > > > are getting it from worms. If you Google, you will learn that having

> > > > > worms while very young can cause mental retardation and all kinds of

> > > > > developmental delays, which would include autism symptoms. So, yes be

> > > > > aware that treating for worms and protozoa should be considered. Also,

> > > > > Google to learn how the testing is very unreliable. The good autism

> > > > > docs know this. It's about getting a good health practitioner that

> > > > > knows about which labs and testing to use or knows how to go by

symptoms.

> > > > >

> > > > > Love and prayers,

> > > > >

> > > > > Heidi N

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

eeek! That was very difficult to read! Hard to know where you start and i end

or you end and i start and it's garbly. I needed more iodine just to process it

And, well, i am pretty much to the point that no matter what i say will be

taken wrong or twisted or laughed at.

Most peoples' iodine levels are not just fine, even if their doctors said so.

There are literally hundreds of people that have their docs tell them their

iodine levels are just fine when in fact they arent.Same with thyroid levels. I

said this before.

I would recommend Brownsteins book:

https://www.drbrownstein.com/bookstore_Iodine.php

Liver and kidney damage by antibiotics is real. To make light of it is wrong. To

say it cant happen is really wrong. That you dont know of anyone that has had it

happen yet is a more accurate statement. This info is based on millions of

antibiotic users, not hundreds.

ScienceDaily (Dec. 8, 2008) — Antibiotics are the single largest class of agents

that cause idiosyncratic drug-induced liver injury (DILI), reports a new study

in Gastroenterology, an official journal of the American Gastroenterological

Association (AGA) Institute.

There is just too much info on antibiotics with real and potential damage to

make that kind of statement that it never causes damage, and yet it made you

laugh?

And since some antibiotics do displace iodine it's ONLY temporary IF more

iodine is given in enough quantity to displace the fluoride(one toxin in

antibiotics that displaces the iodine) again (taking back its rightful spot),

and it takes more to displace than to be displaced.

Should i even try to go on?

I think you just dont understand iodine, all that it does, all that the lack of

it can effect. I mean no disrespect. You understand alot of things about the

body, about biomed, wayyy more than most! You do seem to have blinders on about

iodine. Alot of the wrong knowledge about iodine. Or something. I feel like i

can go on and on all day (and night) and it wont matter. Too many misconceptions

and iodine myths and falsehoods and fears and belief that it cant be one thing

(or one of many but the main thing) or easy.

You cant be convinced. I get it. Almost 12 years ago Dana told me that biomed

could help my child. I didnt believe her. Totally disregarded what she said.

Came up with reasons why biomed couldnt possibly help him. He didnt fit the

profiles. Didnt think anything, one thing or many things, would help him. I was

wrong. I get it.

Perhaps someday there will be enough evidence to convince you. I hope so. This

conversation gave me the thought that I am glad I was more easily convinced :-)

Cheryl

[Guest guest]

Christie,

I think on Stan Kurtz website he goes into *why Valtrex* and why it's unique. I

have read the paper a few times (as I was really trying to understand it.)

There is a flow chart and everything...it's quite fascinating, and it's not a

simple answer. At least, I don't know how to explain simply.

Go about 1/2 way down to the " The Methylation / Adenosine Connection " and keep

reading.

http://stankurtz.com/biomedical/comprehensive-antiviral-approach.html

laura

> > > > >

> > > > > I hate to bust this thread but we ALL have worms, and parasites living

in our bodies, you can do a quick thread on whip worms and they find people with

GI issues are actually LOW in whip worms and it's being used a treatment. see

you can't just look at what our kids have, you have to look at what our kids

have that NT kids don't have......

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > From: allrpossible@

> > > > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 9:39 PM

> > > > > To: mb12 valtrex

> > > > > Subject: Re: Vit A procotol and Parasites...

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't think it's worms as much as it's protozoa -- which are like

> > > > > microscopic worms. A researcher I know says that he found a protozoa

in

> > > > > all of those with autism that he has tested. He further stated that he

> > > > > can not identify the protozoa, feeling that it has not yet been

> > > > > discovered in mainstream science. For the record, some of the

> > > > > antibiotics and worm medications, also kill protozoa. But, the natural

> > > > > things that kill protozoa are also often anti-viral. So, it's still

> > > > > unclear. At this point, I still believe it's best to treat for all

> > > > > pathogen types (protozoa, worms, bacteria, viruses, and yeast). Also,

> > > > > keep in mind that some of those with autism and/or mental retardation

> > > > > are getting it from worms. If you Google, you will learn that having

> > > > > worms while very young can cause mental retardation and all kinds of

> > > > > developmental delays, which would include autism symptoms. So, yes be

> > > > > aware that treating for worms and protozoa should be considered. Also,

> > > > > Google to learn how the testing is very unreliable. The good autism

> > > > > docs know this. It's about getting a good health practitioner that

> > > > > knows about which labs and testing to use or knows how to go by

symptoms.

> > > > >

> > > > > Love and prayers,

> > > > >

> > > > > Heidi N

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

" You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink. "

What you have offered us in terms of information has been great, you don't have

to defend your position. I look for root causes too, so I love your posts.

Thank you for the book suggestion, I'm on my way to purchase it.

laura

>

> eeek! That was very difficult to read! Hard to know where you start and i end

or you end and i start and it's garbly. I needed more iodine just to process it

>

> And, well, i am pretty much to the point that no matter what i say will be

taken wrong or twisted or laughed at.

>

> Most peoples' iodine levels are not just fine, even if their doctors said so.

There are literally hundreds of people that have their docs tell them their

iodine levels are just fine when in fact they arent.Same with thyroid levels. I

said this before.

>

> I would recommend Brownsteins book:

>

> https://www.drbrownstein.com/bookstore_Iodine.php

>

>

> Liver and kidney damage by antibiotics is real. To make light of it is wrong.

To say it cant happen is really wrong. That you dont know of anyone that has had

it happen yet is a more accurate statement. This info is based on millions of

antibiotic users, not hundreds.

>

> ScienceDaily (Dec. 8, 2008) — Antibiotics are the single largest class of

agents that cause idiosyncratic drug-induced liver injury (DILI), reports a new

study in Gastroenterology, an official journal of the American

Gastroenterological Association (AGA) Institute.

>

> There is just too much info on antibiotics with real and potential damage to

make that kind of statement that it never causes damage, and yet it made you

laugh?

>

> And since some antibiotics do displace iodine it's ONLY temporary IF more

iodine is given in enough quantity to displace the fluoride(one toxin in

antibiotics that displaces the iodine) again (taking back its rightful spot),

and it takes more to displace than to be displaced.

>

> Should i even try to go on?

>

> I think you just dont understand iodine, all that it does, all that the lack

of it can effect. I mean no disrespect. You understand alot of things about the

body, about biomed, wayyy more than most! You do seem to have blinders on about

iodine. Alot of the wrong knowledge about iodine. Or something. I feel like i

can go on and on all day (and night) and it wont matter. Too many misconceptions

and iodine myths and falsehoods and fears and belief that it cant be one thing

(or one of many but the main thing) or easy.

>

> You cant be convinced. I get it. Almost 12 years ago Dana told me that biomed

could help my child. I didnt believe her. Totally disregarded what she said.

Came up with reasons why biomed couldnt possibly help him. He didnt fit the

profiles. Didnt think anything, one thing or many things, would help him. I was

wrong. I get it.

>

> Perhaps someday there will be enough evidence to convince you. I hope so. This

conversation gave me the thought that I am glad I was more easily convinced :-)

>

> Cheryl

>

[Guest guest]

This is the one I read, lots of Iodine knowledgable (and helpful) people.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/iodine/messages

There are some very knowledgable iodine people at the curezone board, too. But

i find that board difficult to read.

Be careful with tincture. I personally wouldnt keep Iodine Tincture in a house

with small children or even adults that might decide to drink it. Very dangerous

if ingested. Mostly Fatal.

I got to thinking about that after i wrote the comment about no one dying from

iodine. People have died from injesting Iodine Tincture.

There is a huge difference in Lugols Solution and Tincture. Lugols 2% solution

is what i mean if I speak of iodine. I should definetly be more clear on that

one!

You describe all the classic symptoms of iodine deficiency/thyroid problems,

which i also had (excluding the autoimmune marker. I have no idea if i have one

of those, probably do, like worms!) and no longer have :-)

Cheryl

>

> Thanks very much Cheryl. Can you tell me which iodine board to go to please

so I can do more research. I did a patch test with the tincture and don't seem

deficient but I have lots of symptoms(severe hair loss, depression, anxiety,

cold hands feet, sinus, ovarian cysts, yeast/sugar cravings, low energy, brain

fog) and an autoimmune marker now.