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,Thank you for pointing this out. What you say is very true -- there's no reason that those who choose to eat intuitively need to eat " low carb. " I certainly don't endorse it for the average healthy person. 

I also think that there are many of us, myself included, that feel crappy when we eat too many unprocessed carbs. That doesn't mean they are unhealthy, just that we have to be aware of our portions, or of balancing them with other foods. 

However, for people with a diagnosed medical condition such as diabetes, well, I do think the best evidence we have to date is that they need to limit their carbs.But this is a medical condition, like how people with celiac must eliminate wheat, or people who are lactose intolerant limit their exposure to dairy. I don't think this is a " diet " in the sense like people who use Atkins to lose weight. 

And likewise, it doesn't sound like you " use " veganism as a diet to lose weight, but that you eat as a vegan because it feels good and healthy to you.I think the folks here that are diabetic and generally eat low carb do so because they have to, but still try to incorporate IE into their lives. And like Sara said in her posting, she still does allow herself to eat some non-recommended foods from time to time, to prevent herself from rebelling against any low carb " rules. " Which is very IE and very wise of her, I think!

Still, I'm glad you posted, as if you have been seeing the message that low carb eating is the only healthy option, others may have felt that way as well... and, well, that's not good! 

I hope this is helpful.Best,Abby 

 

Sometimes I see a lot about low-carb eating here. I think low-carb

diets aren't really the only option for those of us who choose

intuitive eating. I'm eating a vegan diet and greatly enjoy it, and

have seen studies that show that vegan diets cause great results in

diabetic patients. We all have to find what works for us. In fact,

Tribole and Resch believe that we should not limit our carbs, and it

is mentioned often in the Intuitive Eating book.

I'm just mentioning this because it seems that there are many low-

carbers here, and that doesn't work for me...it seems to be another

diet. Others might find veganism feeling like a diet to them.

Interesting. I'm not putting a debate out, just expressing the fact

that I am a passionate intuitive eater, with insulin resistance, who

greatly enjoys eating a varied diet of fruits, vegetables, grains,

legumes, and yes sugar sometimes.

Ciao!

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Thanks Abby!!!

I don't feel that people were pushing it that way...and my email may

have been totally unnecessary. Just wanted to say it...as maybe

newcomers might be curious about multiple ways of eating. I felt the

same way when there were many threads on the philosophies of sugar

addiction. Then again, I might just be over-conscious. Ha!!!

> ,

>

>

> Thank you for pointing this out. What you say is very true --

> there's no reason that those who choose to eat intuitively need to

> eat " low carb. " I certainly don't endorse it for the average

> healthy person.

>

> I also think that there are many of us, myself included, that feel

> crappy when we eat too many unprocessed carbs. That doesn't mean

> they are unhealthy, just that we have to be aware of our portions,

> or of balancing them with other foods.

>

> However, for people with a diagnosed medical condition such as

> diabetes, well, I do think the best evidence we have to date is

> that they need to limit their carbs.

>

> But this is a medical condition, like how people with celiac must

> eliminate wheat, or people who are lactose intolerant limit their

> exposure to dairy. I don't think this is a " diet " in the sense like

> people who use Atkins to lose weight.

>

> And likewise, it doesn't sound like you " use " veganism as a diet to

> lose weight, but that you eat as a vegan because it feels good and

> healthy to you.

>

> I think the folks here that are diabetic and generally eat low carb

> do so because they have to, but still try to incorporate IE into

> their lives. And like Sara said in her posting, she still does

> allow herself to eat some non-recommended foods from time to time,

> to prevent herself from rebelling against any low carb " rules. "

> Which is very IE and very wise of her, I think!

>

> Still, I'm glad you posted, as if you have been seeing the message

> that low carb eating is the only healthy option, others may have

> felt that way as well... and, well, that's not good!

>

> I hope this is helpful.

>

> Best,

>

> Abby

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Thank you so much for posting this thread. I've been struggling with this

matter on my own and hearing some other views and experiences are so helpful.

I'm trying to practice IE while dealing with ongoing diabetes. It's hard to

reconcile the dieting voice in my head telling me " don't eat this, you can't eat

that " and the more the voices " speak " the more I feel deprived and the more

carbs I crave and eat. It's a vicious circle..literally because those voices

can be awfully mean! Glad to know I'm not the only one going through this!

Thanks! Alison

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Hi,

I've heard Geneen suggest that we TRY various foods & see how we/our bodies

react to them. that way " we " are listening to ourselves instead of putting our

faith in some outside authority. I agree with you, Abby. that people with

medical conditions DO need to eat according to the limits of their condition. I

have a suspicion, though, that when they do eat that way, they feel a whole lot

better & their symptoms are greatly improved than when they don't.

Geneen was saying on the call last night that she chooses not to have sugar

because she doesn't like how she feels when she's had it. I think that is worth

trying, if I recognize that I feel ill or icky after i've had a certain food why

not try to cut that food out for a few days & see how I feel without it. It's

always interesting to experiment & see what happens either when we do eat it or

when we don't.

Did anyone else listen to the free call last night? Seems like she will be doing

them every last thurs of each month. I think she said there were about 1600

people who signed in yesterday. that's awesome.

mj

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> > ,

> >

> >

> > Thank you for pointing this out. What you say is very true --

> > there's no reason that those who choose to eat intuitively need to

> > eat " low carb. " I certainly don't endorse it for the average

> > healthy person.

> >

> > I also think that there are many of us, myself included, that feel

> > crappy when we eat too many unprocessed carbs. That doesn't mean

> > they are unhealthy, just that we have to be aware of our portions,

> > or of balancing them with other foods.

> >

> > However, for people with a diagnosed medical condition such as

> > diabetes, well, I do think the best evidence we have to date is

> > that they need to limit their carbs.

> >

> > But this is a medical condition, like how people with celiac must

> > eliminate wheat, or people who are lactose intolerant limit their

> > exposure to dairy. I don't think this is a " diet " in the sense like

> > people who use Atkins to lose weight.

> >

> > And likewise, it doesn't sound like you " use " veganism as a diet to

> > lose weight, but that you eat as a vegan because it feels good and

> > healthy to you.

> >

> > I think the folks here that are diabetic and generally eat low carb

> > do so because they have to, but still try to incorporate IE into

> > their lives. And like Sara said in her posting, she still does

> > allow herself to eat some non-recommended foods from time to time,

> > to prevent herself from rebelling against any low carb " rules. "

> > Which is very IE and very wise of her, I think!

> >

> > Still, I'm glad you posted, as if you have been seeing the message

> > that low carb eating is the only healthy option, others may have

> > felt that way as well... and, well, that's not good!

> >

> > I hope this is helpful.

> >

> > Best,

> >

> > Abby

>

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You make a good point, . While I had "great success", as they say, on low-carb diets, on which I lost as much as 50 lbs, the weight call came back. Isn't the idea of intuitive eating to respond to our body's cues? All I know is that anything that smacks of a diet--any kind of diet--sends me running to all those foods which were forbidden, esp carbs!

Now, when I wake up in the morning, I'm not thinking about what I can't have or can have but rather what I want to do today. What a change.

Norma

blogging at http://givingupdieting.wordpress.com/

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Medical concerns, including allergies, diseases and prevention and perhaps ethical and religious reasons may guide some of us into having a limited range of foods. I believe IE/mindful eating can be learned even within a boundary, as it teaches us to not see the border, but to embrace the space.

I am limited by food choices in order to control my diabetes, but I embrace enjoying every bite of the foods I can eat and feel wonderful and my health in turn is improving. While I believe that by not restricting food as we once did with dieting, we learn a necessary lesson It is important to realize (my opinion only) that not all foods are harmless to the body. In this day and age, there are so many edible non-foods that can seriously affect our health through the chemicals they contain. This is a later stage mindfulness to learn, what feels internally good, what foods brings a sense of wellbeing and become our connection to mind and body.

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Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 7:34 PM

To: IntuitiveEating_Support

Subject: blood sugar/diabetes/etc.

Sometimes I see a lot about low-carb eating here. I think low-carb diets aren't really the only option for those of us who choose intuitive eating. I'm eating a vegan diet and greatly enjoy it, and have seen studies that show that vegan diets cause great results in diabetic patients.

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It's really hard to find that balance when you have a medical condition, isn't

it?

I must say, I feel really, really different about counting carbs now than when I

was doing low-carb dieting pre-IE. I have no intention of using my low-carb

eating as a means to try to lose weight which changes everything for me. Now

that my glucose levels are normalized, I'm back to really feeling very satisfied

on quite low carb meals. I mostly crave meat and veggies. The carbs I eat are

very satisfying to me. I love super dark chocolate, which is actually quite low

carbs for " dessert " . I've tried to tie my blood sugar readings to how I feel.

I'm trying to feel where my sugar is, and I find myself naturally wanting to

stop eating carby things at a level that my blood sugar will stay in normal

ranges.

For me medications were pivotal. I didn't feel satisfied on low carb things,

even with my actos plus met, until I started doing my basal insulin. I really

feel my cells weren't getting enough fuel without the extra insulin, was the

reason for the increased carb/sugar cravings. After going on insulin, those

cravings have virtually vanished. It has been very important to me, and I've

made it very clear to my doctor, that I have to be satisfied with my diet. I

let him know that if I wasn't satisfied, I would need more meds, or I'd need to

go on fast-acting insulin (which you inject with each meal), and he's been very

respectful. He's mentioned " weight control " a couple of times, and I let him

know that I absolutely do not diet, and that has been the end of it.

Every diabetic person I know, who has been diabetic for more than a year, has

overall poor blood sugar control. I believe this is due to the wrong emphasis

in their care. They're told to lose weight, which increases carb/sugar

cravings, and dieting is correlated with worse diabetes problems. They're told

to not only limit their carbs, but to also limit their fat. There's just not

much to eat at that point. I would starve on a low fat, low carb diet. So do

the people I know who tried their best to stick with these recommendations. I

feel they couldn't help but fail. Then, when they fail, they don't know what to

do. It becomes an all-or-nothing mentality, so they quit even measuring their

sugar, and eat whatever.

Seeing this happen with people I'm close to over and over gave me 2 priorities.

A satisfying diet and normalized sugars. The biggest challenge so far for me,

has been the need to cook almost constantly. But the meals are so yummy and

satisfying that it's been worth it. They're so good, my husband has been asking

me to double the recipe on just about everything I make.

Good luck,

Sara

>

>

> Thank you so much for posting this thread. I've been struggling with this

matter on my own and hearing some other views and experiences are so helpful.

I'm trying to practice IE while dealing with ongoing diabetes. It's hard to

reconcile the dieting voice in my head telling me " don't eat this, you can't eat

that " and the more the voices " speak " the more I feel deprived and the more

carbs I crave and eat. It's a vicious circle..literally because those voices

can be awfully mean! Glad to know I'm not the only one going through this!

>

> Thanks! Alison

>

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Hi ,

I am new to Intuitive Eating and this group, but wanted to say that I eat a vegan foods as well and am glad the two approaches work together.

Thanks for sharing,

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Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:34 PM

To: IntuitiveEating_Support

Subject: blood sugar/diabetes/etc.

Sometimes I see a lot about low-carb eating here. I think low-carb diets aren't really the only option for those of us who choose intuitive eating. I'm eating a vegan diet and greatly enjoy it, and have seen studies that show that vegan diets cause great results in diabetic patients. We all have to find what works for us. In fact, Tribole and Resch believe that we should not limit our carbs, and it is mentioned often in the Intuitive Eating book.I'm just mentioning this because it seems that there are many low- carbers here, and that doesn't work for me...it seems to be another diet. Others might find veganism feeling like a diet to them. Interesting. I'm not putting a debate out, just expressing the fact that I am a passionate intuitive eater, with insulin resistance, who greatly enjoys eating a varied diet of fruits, vegetables, grains, legumes, and yes sugar sometimes.Ciao!

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hello mj and everyone,

I'm curious if a question I submitted was posed in Geneen's Q & A session on

Thurs. night. (I couldn't attend it.)

The question was about intuitive eating for a morbidly obese or former morbidly

obese person. Are there just too many other factors contributing to the <100 lb

overweight person's weight for IE to really work? Or will all those factors

(physiological etc) override the body's natural cues and cause the person to

stay or return to a morbidly obese rate? Can you recall if this was addressed?

Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

Thanks,

Marg.

> >

> > > ,

> > >

> > >

> > > Thank you for pointing this out. What you say is very true --

> > > there's no reason that those who choose to eat intuitively need to

> > > eat " low carb. " I certainly don't endorse it for the average

> > > healthy person.

> > >

> > > I also think that there are many of us, myself included, that feel

> > > crappy when we eat too many unprocessed carbs. That doesn't mean

> > > they are unhealthy, just that we have to be aware of our portions,

> > > or of balancing them with other foods.

> > >

> > > However, for people with a diagnosed medical condition such as

> > > diabetes, well, I do think the best evidence we have to date is

> > > that they need to limit their carbs.

> > >

> > > But this is a medical condition, like how people with celiac must

> > > eliminate wheat, or people who are lactose intolerant limit their

> > > exposure to dairy. I don't think this is a " diet " in the sense like

> > > people who use Atkins to lose weight.

> > >

> > > And likewise, it doesn't sound like you " use " veganism as a diet to

> > > lose weight, but that you eat as a vegan because it feels good and

> > > healthy to you.

> > >

> > > I think the folks here that are diabetic and generally eat low carb

> > > do so because they have to, but still try to incorporate IE into

> > > their lives. And like Sara said in her posting, she still does

> > > allow herself to eat some non-recommended foods from time to time,

> > > to prevent herself from rebelling against any low carb " rules. "

> > > Which is very IE and very wise of her, I think!

> > >

> > > Still, I'm glad you posted, as if you have been seeing the message

> > > that low carb eating is the only healthy option, others may have

> > > felt that way as well... and, well, that's not good!

> > >

> > > I hope this is helpful.

> > >

> > > Best,

> > >

> > > Abby

> >

>

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Thank you !If you are looking for any good vegan blogs, recipes, or websites, please contact me privately.Through intuitive eating I've developed a much more healthy love for cooking healthy foods and such...so I greatly enjoy this process.Have a great day!!! Hi , I am new to Intuitive Eating and this group, but wanted to say that I eat a vegan foods as well and am glad the two approaches work together. Thanks for sharing,

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I was not there for the Q & A, but know there are multiple stories of

success with the morbidly obese in the Intuitive Eating book. I'm

having success and I'm a size 24 (don't know what I weigh right now

because I'm not weighing self.)

My original comments about carbs and such are also motivated by the

fact that it seems we've gone away from the Intuitive Eating

Principles quite a bit here...talking more about what we're limiting

and how we're dieting more than the fact that nothing's off limits

for most of us and we are doing our best to move forward on an

intuitive path. Have all of us participating read the book, or are

significantly through this book or Geneen Roth's books?

Just my thoughts here!! I'm here for inspiration, not discussion of

restriction or fatphobia. I'm fat and happy. :)

> hello mj and everyone,

>

> I'm curious if a question I submitted was posed in Geneen's Q & A

> session on Thurs. night. (I couldn't attend it.)

> The question was about intuitive eating for a morbidly obese or

> former morbidly obese person. Are there just too many other factors

> contributing to the <100 lb overweight person's weight for IE to

> really work? Or will all those factors (physiological etc) override

> the body's natural cues and cause the person to stay or return to a

> morbidly obese rate? Can you recall if this was addressed?

> Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

>

> Thanks,

> Marg.

>

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I'm a fellow vegan IE-er. Welcome ! I'm really glad that, as one poster recently expressed it, this list is welcoming to those who practice IE within the guidelines of foods we eat or don't eat for religious, ethical, or health reasons.

Alice

Hi ,

I am new to Intuitive Eating and this group, but wanted to say that I eat a vegan foods as well and am glad the two approaches work together.

Thanks for sharing,

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Thanks Norma. It's nice to know that others get triggered with talks of what to eat and what not to eat. :) Thanks Jenna, for your intro. It was wonderful!!! I'm really into size acceptance as well and look forward to reading the Axis of Fat. The first post is amazing!!!!I'd love to discuss the book Health at Every Size on this list. Would anyone else be interested in getting there after the Intuitive Eating book? I'm going to post a new chapter of questions here. Thanks!!! You make a good point, . While I had "great success", as they say, on low-carb diets, on which I lost as much as 50 lbs, the weight call came back. Isn't the idea of intuitive eating to respond to our body's cues? All I know is that anything that smacks of a diet--any kind of diet--sends me running to all those foods which were forbidden, esp carbs! Now, when I wake up in the morning, I'm not thinking about what I can't have or can have but rather what I want to do today. What a change. Norma blogging at http://givingupdieting.wordpress.com/

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Hi , Thanks for the welcome! I would definately be interested in talking about Health at Every Size, the book was really great and eye opening.JennaTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Sat, January 29, 2011 12:08:31 PMSubject: Re: Re: blood sugar/diabetes/etc.

Thanks Norma. It's nice to know that others get triggered with talks of what to eat and what not to eat. :) Thanks Jenna, for your intro. It was wonderful!!! I'm really into size acceptance as well and look forward to reading the Axis of Fat. The first post is amazing!!!!I'd love to discuss the book Health at Every Size on this list. Would anyone else be interested in getting there after the Intuitive Eating book? I'm going to post a new chapter of questions here. Thanks!!! You make a good point, . While I had "great success", as they say, on low-carb diets, on which I lost as much as 50 lbs, the weight call came

back. Isn't the idea of intuitive eating to respond to our body's cues? All I know is that anything that smacks of a diet--any kind of diet--sends me running to all those foods which were forbidden, esp carbs! Now, when I wake up in the morning, I'm not thinking about what I can't have or can have but rather what I want to do today. What a change. Norma blogging at http://givingupdieting.wordpress.com/

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I totally support people eating however they want... but the word " perfect " makes me a little nervous. Sounds diet-y... only the goal isn't weight loss, but to be the " perfect " vegan... which is still, to me, anti-IE. if being totally vegan feels good to you, awesome, but then it wouldn't be such a struggle, no?

and promoting a vegan way of life as a way to come off ?diabetes meds seems dicey, indeed. if it works for you, awesome, and feel free to share YOUR experience, but i'd be more comfortable NOT promoting it (or any other diet) as a suggestion for others.

all the best,abby

 

I'm here, not a perfect vegan, but working towards it.

 

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