Guest guest Posted July 23, 2001 Report Share Posted July 23, 2001 In a message dated 7/23/01 10:21:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, homesforsalebycindy@... writes: << Please forgive my naivety but why are so many doctors ignorant about the facts of CMT bearing in mind how common it is. >> Hi Sue, " the most common inherited disease " I think the word common in this case is a misnomer. It might be common to us who have it and share information, but surely not to others. E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2001 Report Share Posted July 24, 2001 Seems that everytime I've ever went to the doctor, when my medical history is reviewed, the practitioners say " Hmmm I've heard of that in medical school, but I've never actually seen a patient with it " . Then all of a sudden, CMT is interesting to them. This happens everytime I have a new doctor and I go thru this ritual before being cared for a cold, flu, etc. And I finally get my antibiotics and go home. I have to say that when I was 9 years old, I feel very fortunate to have been diagnosed and taken care of . I live near Vanderbilt University Medical Center and Vanderbilt Childrens Hospital providing excellent care to patients. J. www.homesinmiddletn.com Sue Horder-Mason <sue@...> wrote: Please forgive my naivety but why are so many doctors ignorant about the facts of CMT bearing in mind how common it is. I thought this was just a problem in the UK but reading your emails it seems to be universal. Can anyone please explain this? Sue Website www.horder-mason.freeserve.co.uk Fiction Writer and CMTer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2001 Report Share Posted July 24, 2001 -----Original Message----- From: jege6666@... <jege6666@...> < > Date: Monday, July 23, 2001 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [] Why? In a message dated 7/23/01 10:21:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, homesforsalebycindy@... writes: << Please forgive my naivety but why are so many doctors ignorant about the facts of CMT bearing in mind how common it is. >> Hi Sue, " the most common inherited disease " I think the word common in this case is a misnomer. It might be common to us who have it and share information, but surely not to others. E >>>>>>, yep, the most common UN-HEARD of inherited disease! LOL, ~>Becky M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2001 Report Share Posted July 24, 2001 In a message dated 7/24/2001 9:47:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rmax@... writes: > It might be common to us who have it and share information, > but surely not to others. > E > >>>>>>, yep, the most common UN-HEARD of inherited disease! LOL, ~ > >Becky M. > That's for sure. No one knows what it is if I tell them CMT. I just tell them I have peripheral neuropathy. Lot of people don't even know what neuropathy is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2001 Report Share Posted July 24, 2001 I suspect that part of the problem is that CMTers have such widely varied symptoms. It's like the blind man who tried to figure out what an elephant was. When he felt each part, trunk, tail, leg, tusk, etc., he thought of a different animal for each. CMT is still being classified, and more varients are discovered all the time. It's a syndrome rather than a single, easy to name or diagnose disease. For example, I have muscular calves, low arches, progressive weakness and neurological pain. I do not have atrophied calves or very high arches like many of you have. I much prefer cool weather to hot, unlike many of you. Yet, my neurologist guessed CMT right away, and confirmed it by tests, such as the EMG (which was near normal, but showed damage to the core of my nerves, not the myelin sheath). He also believed me when I told him about the pains I have, and he said it wasn't uncommon. Both he and Dr. Bird, from whom I had the diagnosis confirmed, agreed that CMT would run its course and progress according to my preset version, regardless of what I did or didn't do, provided I didn't stress myself a lot and aggravate the symptoms. I originally had told my GP that my lower legs were numb like my mom's had been, and she (Dr.) knew to send me to a neurologist for diagnosis. Most doctors like to treat problems that they can cure, by the way, not ones that make them feel helpless, like CMT. Many CMTers have such mild symptoms they are never diagnosed. There are probably far more of us than the medical community acknowledges. Kat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2001 Report Share Posted July 24, 2001 Hi Sue, Owen here, I think when it is said " The most common inherited neuropathy " it means that it the most common among the population with inherited neuropathys, that does not mean it is common in the population as a whole. That said. I my case my family was fortunate enough to have a family doctor ( MD / Surgeon ) whose wife had MS. He had told my mother he spent most of his spare time looking for any lead to help his wife reading anything pertaining to diseases of the nerves. He had diagnosed my mothers CMT in 1949. My point is that if the doctors do not have CMT in their families OR have had a patient / (s) in the past with CMT you will have to be the educator. You have to aggressively research CMT and compile the information for them. If we come across doctors that are to closed minded / arrogant to listen we have to look for another one and another one. This is OUR GREATEST PROBLEM how to EDUCATE THE DOCTORS world wide ABOUT CMT. Gretchen and are / have been working on an awareness campaign its a start. We all must forge ahead! This is not going to be easy but anything worthwhile never is. I'm sorry I'll get of my soapbox now. Happy Trails Owen Sue Horder-Mason wrote: > Please forgive my naivety but why are so many doctors ignorant about the facts > of CMT bearing in mind how common it is. I thought this was just a problem in > the UK but reading your emails it seems to be universal. Can anyone please > explain this? > Sue > Website www.horder-mason.freeserve.co.uk > Fiction Writer and CMTer > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2001 Report Share Posted July 24, 2001 Very good point Sue. My husband, who has CMT, and I, visited a neurologist a few years back to see if there was anything that could be done for pain, and just for a general checkup type of thing. The doctor knew of CMT, but had never seen a case, and was more curious than anything else. He was really nice though and talked with us about neurological conditons, but he did say that my husband would have to see him when he actually was having a pain epidsode, because CMT shouldn't have pain as a characteristic! It wasn't until I started logging on and reading what has been written by other CMT people that I found out he was wrong. Alot of misinformation is out there. I have not so far come across a doctor that includes a CMT checkup as part of Ross's regular care, they just kind of overlook it. Even the doctors seem to treat it as invisible. -----Original Message----- From: Sue Horder-Mason [mailto:sue@...] Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 6:34 PM Subject: [] Why? Please forgive my naivety but why are so many doctors ignorant about the facts of CMT bearing in mind how common it is. I thought this was just a problem in the UK but reading your emails it seems to be universal. Can anyone please explain this? Sue Website www.horder-mason.freeserve.co.uk Fiction Writer and CMTer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2001 Report Share Posted July 24, 2001 I really would like to think of something to increase awareness...if the lightbulb appears I will be very happy. Does the annual MDA telethon ever mention anything about CMT on the air? -----Original Message----- From: Gretchen Glick [mailto:liliwigg@...] Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 11:09 PM Subject: [] Why? I have had good medical care for CMT ever since the Original Diagnosis too, , back in the 60's. My best care hasa beeen from private physicians who take the time to know the WHOLE PERSON, not just the 'case'. But I was also tested and observed for everything else neurological in the University and MDA settings, since my 'case' doesn't fit 'textbook CMT'. Wonder what is in the textbooks and wonder how the textbooks are changing? And yes , the most common inherited neurological disease NOW, but I wonder when that nomer actually came into being. LOL I still can't find a single 'case' of CMT in my family. Looks like Norma Rae haas more work to do!!! I wish I could come up with a good 'game plan' on educating doctors about CMT. I mean ALL about it. Ideas - please send. ~ Gretchen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2001 Report Share Posted July 24, 2001 , Lamar here, Yes, CMT is mentioned but there is no emphasis on it. The reason is understandable when you look at the fact that the entire telethon is an appeal. Let's face it they do and have to pull at " heart strings " . A child with only a few years to live gets more public sympathy than a disease like CMT. While CMT can be life threatening in some cases, it usually is not. As bad as it is, it is not as bad as many neuromuscular diseases. While there are many things about MDA that I do not fully agree to, they have been the major source of funding for most of the research that has been done on CMT. ----- Original Message ----- From: Insabella, ' ' Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 09:42 AM Subject: RE: [] Why? I really would like to think of something to increase awareness...if the lightbulb appears I will be very happy. Does the annual MDA telethon ever mention anything about CMT on the air? -----Original Message----- From: Gretchen Glick [mailto:liliwigg@...] Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 11:09 PM Subject: [] Why? I have had good medical care for CMT ever since the Original Diagnosis too, , back in the 60's. My best care hasa beeen from private physicians who take the time to know the WHOLE PERSON, not just the 'case'. But I was also tested and observed for everything else neurological in the University and MDA settings, since my 'case' doesn't fit 'textbook CMT'. Wonder what is in the textbooks and wonder how the textbooks are changing? And yes , the most common inherited neurological disease NOW, but I wonder when that nomer actually came into being. LOL I still can't find a single 'case' of CMT in my family. Looks like Norma Rae haas more work to do!!! I wish I could come up with a good 'game plan' on educating doctors about CMT. I mean ALL about it. Ideas - please send. ~ Gretchen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2001 Report Share Posted July 24, 2001 Owen, Lamar here, CMT is not only the most common inherited neuropathy. It is the most common inherited disorder of the nervous system (neuromuscular disease). http://www.mdausa.org/publications/Quest/q81cmtds.cfm (not as common as " strokes " etc. The last figures I saw were (as I recall) 1 in 4000 people on earth having CMT. Still many cases, especially those that have mild symptoms are not properly diagnosed. You are correct about education physicians, but as a retired nurse I will say that many physicians are reluctant to be " educated " , especially by a lay person. Thankfully, there are some exceptions. In my opinion we all need to play a part in educating the public as a whole. We can all do this in our daily life. When the term CMT becomes as well known as MD, AIDS, or even " foot and mouth disease " a big portion of the battle will be won. While AIDS is NOT related to CMT in any way, I will share something. I was one of 10 people selected by CDC and the State of GA to teach all state employees about AIDS (HIV). This was when it was still virtually unknown. Yes, I was even trained to teach the physicians. The original 10 gave intensive training to 150 others. Then we all did training. Most states had similar programs. The 56,000+ that got intensive training on it in GA " rubbed off " on the general public. News media helped. Now, less than 20 years later it is probably impossible to find someone in the US that does not at least know what the term means. As I said, we were not the only state doing this. A BIG portion of the public education came from people with HIV infection. While I am not suggesting organized classes about CMT nationwide, we can all do our part by learning all we can and sharing all we can. We need to make sure the information we give is accurate and up to date. We may each tell 100 people some about CMT, but out of those 100 there will be some that will tell someone else. It will not be overnight, but can happen. Saying, " I have a kind of Muscular Dystrophy " (which is inaccurate to begin with), or " I have a disease of the nerves " , or " I have a muscular disease " will not help. ----- Original Message ----- From: Owen Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 07:53 AM Subject: Re: [] Why? Hi Sue, Owen here, I think when it is said " The most common inherited neuropathy " it means that it the most common among the population with inherited neuropathys, that does not mean it is common in the population as a whole. That said. I my case my family was fortunate enough to have a family doctor ( MD / Surgeon ) whose wife had MS. He had told my mother he spent most of his spare time looking for any lead to help his wife reading anything pertaining to diseases of the nerves. He had diagnosed my mothers CMT in 1949. My point is that if the doctors do not have CMT in their families OR have had a patient / (s) in the past with CMT you will have to be the educator. You have to aggressively research CMT and compile the information for them. If we come across doctors that are to closed minded / arrogant to listen we have to look for another one and another one. This is OUR GREATEST PROBLEM how to EDUCATE THE DOCTORS world wide ABOUT CMT. Gretchen and are / have been working on an awareness campaign its a start. We all must forge ahead! This is not going to be easy but anything worthwhile never is. I'm sorry I'll get of my soapbox now. Happy Trails Owen Sue Horder-Mason wrote: > Please forgive my naivety but why are so many doctors ignorant about the facts > of CMT bearing in mind how common it is. I thought this was just a problem in > the UK but reading your emails it seems to be universal. Can anyone please > explain this? > Sue > Website www.horder-mason.freeserve.co.uk > Fiction Writer and CMTer > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2001 Report Share Posted July 24, 2001 > I really would like to think of something to increase awareness...if the > lightbulb appears I will be very happy. Does the annual MDA telethon ever > mention anything about CMT on the air? > , CMT is mentioned on the MDA telethons - it takes it's place along with over 40 other neuromuscular diseases. My family has been involved with the MDA telethon at the local level for the last 2 years - this year will be our 3rd. My daughter was the 2000 MDA Goodwill Ambassador for Eastern North Carolina. In 1999, our local TV station did a 3 minute (more or less) feature on her that was taped at our house. We also did a studio interview with one of the local telethon anchors the day of the telethon when the human interest piece was originally aired. Last year (2000) my daughter and I did a 15 minute studio interview segment for a 1/2 hour public service promo that aired on the TV station the day before the telethon. We also did an impromptu interview during the telethon as were answering telephones during a local cut in. All these opportunities became available because we were involved as patients in the MDA clinic program, or as campers in the camp program, or because of the volunteer effort in the ambassador program and during the telethon. Whenever we are on an MDA-related outing, I have been able to mention CMT specifically. That has included meeting 3 mayors, MANY firefighters, as well as the exposure from the TV-related opportunities. I have also been able to bring it up on occasion on 1 or 2 stock car racing internet boards that I belong to. This year we will be in the WTVD studio in Durham again answering telephones during the afternoon shift of the telethon. It may very well bring up another opportunity for an off-the-cuff interview. The anchors look for stories to help them fill the air time during the local cut-ins. Ruth Warren Raleigh, NC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2001 Report Share Posted July 24, 2001 Wow, what a positve message. I applaud you and your family. -----Original Message----- From: warrenre@... [mailto:warrenre@...] Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 2:26 PM Subject: [] Re: Why? > I really would like to think of something to increase awareness...if the > lightbulb appears I will be very happy. Does the annual MDA telethon ever > mention anything about CMT on the air? > , CMT is mentioned on the MDA telethons - it takes it's place along with over 40 other neuromuscular diseases. My family has been involved with the MDA telethon at the local level for the last 2 years - this year will be our 3rd. My daughter was the 2000 MDA Goodwill Ambassador for Eastern North Carolina. In 1999, our local TV station did a 3 minute (more or less) feature on her that was taped at our house. We also did a studio interview with one of the local telethon anchors the day of the telethon when the human interest piece was originally aired. Last year (2000) my daughter and I did a 15 minute studio interview segment for a 1/2 hour public service promo that aired on the TV station the day before the telethon. We also did an impromptu interview during the telethon as were answering telephones during a local cut in. All these opportunities became available because we were involved as patients in the MDA clinic program, or as campers in the camp program, or because of the volunteer effort in the ambassador program and during the telethon. Whenever we are on an MDA-related outing, I have been able to mention CMT specifically. That has included meeting 3 mayors, MANY firefighters, as well as the exposure from the TV-related opportunities. I have also been able to bring it up on occasion on 1 or 2 stock car racing internet boards that I belong to. This year we will be in the WTVD studio in Durham again answering telephones during the afternoon shift of the telethon. It may very well bring up another opportunity for an off-the-cuff interview. The anchors look for stories to help them fill the air time during the local cut-ins. Ruth Warren Raleigh, NC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 Everything make sense when you understand Lupus is ultimately caused by a virus. Fasting? Hmmmm. Not a good idea if your are harboring chronic, dormant virus. Drinking nothing but acidic juices while fasting sound awfully harsh on the body chemistry. For more info here is the latest on the secret and cryptic autoimmune world. Shhhh! They all want you to believe your body is killing itself. http://www.americancanceradvocates.com/Autoimmune_Discoveries.html > > This was a question posed by a woman who was fasting and using orange juice, got very sick and was diagnosed with Lupus..................... > > Does anyone know why people with inflammatory disorders are supposed to avoid citrus juices? > > Thanks, Shari > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Proving autoimmunity is a virus is no longer that difficult. The title of the latest book written by aclaimed doctors, ( " Viruses and Autoimmune diseases " ) Pretty basic knowledge now. Up to 90% of Lupus sufferers tested pos. for either retro virus, epstein barr virus, or cytomegalo virus. These are antibody test and the latest book I just told you about will try to convince you not to " pay any attention to that man behind the curtain. " But think about it, virus infect collagen, spreads to other tissues, goes dormant but then food allergies, toxins, stress, trauma, secondary infection triggers outbreak, gees are we talking viral illnesses or autoimmune they both sound so similar. Notice how a half dozen other known viruses act exactly in this way? Same exact pattern as autoimmune! Why? > > That's funny. > I've read it's a collagen disorder. > I've read it's due to food allergies. > I've read it's due to too many toxins. > Now it's a virus. > > Drs say no one knows the cause. For once they might be right about something! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 http://www.american canceradvocates. com/Autoimmune_ Discoveries. html This says it all! Finally, everything makes sense! > > > > This was a question posed by a woman who was fasting and using orange juice, got very sick and was diagnosed with Lupus..................... > > > > Does anyone know why people with inflammatory disorders are supposed to avoid citrus juices? > > > > Thanks, Shari > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 It won't let me open it. Says the server is busy every time.Does it explain how this virus causes flareups for the rest of your life?Candace"The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it."~Chinese Proverb~Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 8, 2010, at 3:33 PM, "Bret" <patientadvocate2@...> wrote: http://www.american canceradvocates. com/Autoimmune_ Discoveries. html This says it all! Finally, everything makes sense! > > > > This was a question posed by a woman who was fasting and using orange juice, got very sick and was diagnosed with Lupus..................... > > > > Does anyone know why people with inflammatory disorders are supposed to avoid citrus juices? > > > > Thanks, Shari > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 I can't get it at all - a 404 error comes back with link not valid. On 2/8/2010 6:07 PM, Candace Podratz wrote:  It won't let me open it. Says the server is busy every time. Does it explain how this virus causes flareups for the rest of your life? Candace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 try this http://www.americancanceradvocates.com/Autoimmune_Discoveries.html Suzi List Owner health What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. From: Candace Podratz <candaceandbrock@...>"health " <health >Sent: Mon, February 8, 2010 6:07:38 PMSubject: Re: Re: why? It won't let me open it. Says the server is busy every time. Does it explain how this virus causes flareups for the rest of your life?Candace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 I guess that explains why suppressing my immune system isn't stopping this!!!!!!!!!!!!Candace"The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it."~Chinese Proverb~Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 8, 2010, at 7:01 PM, Suzanne <suziesgoats@...> wrote: try this http://www.americancanceradvocates.com/Autoimmune_Discoveries.html Suzi List Owner health What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. From: Candace Podratz <candaceandbrock >"health " <health >Sent: Mon, February 8, 2010 6:07:38 PMSubject: Re: Re: why? It won't let me open it. Says the server is busy every time. Does it explain how this virus causes flareups for the rest of your life?Candace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 So if I go on a juice fast do you think I should stick to green juices? or would apple/carrot be okay? I'm completely ignorant when it comes to what's alkaline and what isn't. I did a PH test at my sister's house. She has strips and it said I'm perfect in the alkaline range. Dead perfect... which surprised me. Candace > > > > This was a question posed by a woman who was fasting and using orange juice, got very sick and was diagnosed with Lupus..................... > > > > Does anyone know why people with inflammatory disorders are supposed to avoid citrus juices? > > > > Thanks, Shari > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Candace, had this in my files... may give you some ideas of how to proceed... Did you not find a naturopath? You can talk to a pharmacist also about your meds and how to come off them. Steps 1 Know your medication. Research it, read about it, know its history. Some medications make seem safe, non-addicting, but unless it has a decent safety profile of non-addiction, and a lengthy or well-researched history, there's no guarantee. Every prescription comes with a medication fact sheet. If you don't get it, ask for it. Every pharmacy has ready copies. They can also be downloaded and printed at any public library. Familiarize yourself slowly. Always take as prescribed. Often the prescription will call for starting at a low dose so as not to build a tolerance or toxify the body, and be sure to work yourself up to an ideal dosage exactly as instructed. If, and when, you are taken off the medication, you will wean off the same way, gradually. Beware the of circumstances. Certain medications may be taken for special purposes such as periods of high stress. This is not the normal use for medications, so don't expect it. Occasionally, under special circumstances this is alright, but understand that this use is short term only. It will be prescribed and carefully supervised. .. 4 And finally, always look at the big picture. Have periods of time which you abstain from all medication usage, if it's allowed by your physician, and constantly evaluate your medication habits. Don't be afraid to seek help if you think you might have begun down the path of addiction. Suzi List Owner health What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. ----------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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