Re : Anxiety/Crying, Is It Strep Infection or Antibiotic That Is Triggering It?

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I have the same problem with my son (soon 12): crying and agressif behavior for no matter what: simple "go put your socks" is enough.We had that also in the past and I didn't beleave I will live the same hell once more.He has also hight streps (and Lyme). Zhytromax makes worse. I think the pbm is somewere in great detox + hormonal changes linked to teenage. It's difficult. I'm trying just now another antibiotic (Rovamicine, don't know if it's the same in USA) and start by very low dose. Hot bath with epsom salt twice per day and advil. na.De : Christel Church À : mb12 valtrex Envoyé le : Lun 21 février 2011, 6h 40min 10sObjet : Re: Anxiety/Crying, Is It Strep Infection or Antibiotic That Is Triggering It?

both those things can also tie into PANDAS and it may mean the strep has triggered it and the antibitoics aren't working and you need to try a different one

From: connie uhlaub

Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 10:55 PM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Anxiety/Crying, Is It Strep Infection or Antibiotic That Is Triggering It?

No, I have not changed anything other than the antibiotic when he got strep. He also takes GABA. His supplements are: Multi Vit, B6, B12, folic acid, Vit D, Vit C, Enhansa, Phosphatidyl Choline, Candida Clear, N-Acetyl Cysteine, Probiotics and Digestive Enzymes, Melatonin, and prescriptions are Valtrex, Nexium, Impipramine & Intuniv. With this regimine, he has been in a really good place. For the past year he has mainstreamed with the neighborhood kids, playing in the street every afternoon without conflict, being invited and participating in sleep overs, etc. That is saying a lot considering that 2 years ago, he couldn't be left with anyone but immediate family (me, dad, brother or sisters who are all adults) without having an anxiety meltdown.

Connie

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sun, February 20, 2011 9:42:34 PMSubject: Re: Anxiety/Crying, Is It Strep Infection or Antibiotic That Is Triggering It?

Did you remove a food recently? Oxalate dumps in me bring on severe anxiety. In my son, aggression.When I am dumping, I need twice the normal GABA I take. When I am not dumping, I can skip my daily GABA and be "ok."

No, I don't believe it does. I don't have the bottle in front of me to look. We had gotten to the point where he didn't need it anymore until now. I had my son on L-theanine for a while, but took him off of it. It's been over 6 months since he was on that. I will have to look at the Calm PRT bottle when I pick it up tomorrow from our DAN. I do know the Calm PRT made a HUGE improvement with his anxiety, and his Dr said it takes about 6 months to see the full benefits. I pray that it does not take that long this time around. I'm still hoping that it's the antibiotic, and when we get off of it he will go back to the place where he was before the strep began!

Connie

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sun, February 20, 2011 9:21:26 PMSubject: Re: Anxiety/Crying, Is It Strep Infection or Antibiotic That Is Triggering It?

Does Calm PRT have L-theanine? Known to cause crying outbursts in my daughter. My son does ok with L-theanine. My daughter is really sensitive to phenols/salicylates...

My son (high functioning asperger, 12 yr old), has had anxiety problems in the past along with gut issues. He has been doing so well for the last few years with the treatment from our DAN! Dr, and now due to a strep infection and antibiotic use has really relapsed. He has been crying constantly when something doesn't go his way, or he suffers from the slightest dissapointment. He is getting so frustrated that he is pulling at his skin with frustration. I thought this was something in our past and am very discouraged to see this behavior resurface. My question is this, is it the strep infection (he has shown a high count during previous testing), or the antibiotic (Amoxacilin) that he is on that is causing the problem?I am giving him a good probiotic, am planning on doubling it, as well as, starting the Calm PRT again to help regulate his neurotransmitters. Has anyone else experienced this? If so, did you see the symptoms go away once the antibiotics are stopped? Any advise is appreciated.Thanks In Advance,Connie

-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

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This thread is very interesting and makes me curious.

Have any of you seeing these problems tested adrenal function in your kids?

Thyroid function? I ask because the crying, anxiety, agression can all be

related to those 2. As well as the strep. I am not certain if it would be the

PANDAS creating the imbalance, it may be part of the cycle from the strep. It

could be the thyroid causing the imbalance which causes the strep or cycle. A

vicious circle of doom

The lack of iodine, lack of sodium (very important in making Cortisol for the

adrenals) infections,antigens(fungus/bacteria) and deficiency of thyroid hormone

can cause adrenal insuffiency. It can eventually burn them out so bad in some

people they have to take Corticosteroids for the rest of their lives.

Some time after i started iodine i had several adrenal issues (mostly my bad

cause i wasnt drinking the salt and i wasnt taking enough C). I had felt actual

pain in my adrenals. I also felt annoyance at everything. And just at little

things. EVERY little thing. I was getting emotional. Sad commercials brought

tears. Interrupting me brought anger. Feeling anxious like everything was going

to fall apart at any minute. People were just too annoying to deal with. And it

was so intense. Much more intense than I had ever felt before.I literally

thought i might implode.

After i found out i wasnt using enough salt and C and added more I felt

extremely better. Night and day better. Thats when the epiphany occured and i

realized i had suffered that lesser scale of these intense feelings my entire

life. I have come to figure out that when my adrenals are having difficulty i

feel the creep of a symptom. If my adrenals are working right i feel good. I

like people. Interrupting my project doesnt send me into anger. I dont dwell on

the past, or mistakes or fears. I dont cry for stupid reasons. I am able to

think past what is upsetting/annoying me and find a solution. Mostly when i feel

these things trying to creep in I go drink some salt water. Doesnt happen often

anymore. And nothing intense.And its usually in the afternoon right before

dinner.

Time of day has alot to do with these issues as there are peaks in Cortisol, so

if you are seeing behaviors at certain times of day more than others maybe there

is a high possiblity that its from adrenal/thyroid/PANDAS cycle. A circle of

all 3, rather than a begin and end to one.

I do think i had strep before Iodine. Dont know for sure testwise. had

most the symptoms, i had a few. I personally think we both were FULL of strep

and virus and parasites and metal and fungus. I am starting to think when a

person cant kill and/or remove one of these its a good bet they are all lurking

in some capacity and why targeting the root cause is better than trying to

target one symptom/cause. It's all connected.

So the adrenal issue may be another side effect of the strep. Infections can

cause adrenal insuffiency, and alot of the symptoms yall describe i think

could be adrenal (by my own experience), it makes sense. Something to check

out, if you havent already.

Cheryl

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrenal_insufficiency

> >

> >

> >>My son (high functioning asperger, 12 yr old), has had anxiety problems

in

> >>the past along with gut issues. He has been doing so well for the last

few

> >>years with the treatment from our DAN! Dr, and now due to a strep

infection

> >>and antibiotic use has really relapsed. He has been crying constantly

when

> >>something doesn't go his way, or he suffers from the slightest

> >>dissapointment. He is getting so frustrated that he is pulling at his

skin

> >>with frustration. I thought this was something in our past and am very

> >>discouraged to see this behavior resurface. My question is this, is it

the

> >>strep infection (he has shown a high count during previous testing), or

the

> >>antibiotic (Amoxacilin) that he is on that is causing the problem?

> >>

> >>I am giving him a good probiotic, am planning on doubling it, as well

as,

> >>starting the Calm PRT again to help regulate his neurotransmitters. Has

> >>anyone else experienced this? If so, did you see the symptoms go away

once

> >>the antibiotics are stopped? Any advise is appreciated.

> >>

> >>Thanks In Advance,

> >>Connie

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >--

> >Toni

> >

> >------

> >Mind like a steel trap...

> >Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

> >

> >

>

>

> --

> Toni

>

> ------

> Mind like a steel trap...

> Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

>

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I've been curious to see how Connie's thread progresses...Very very interesting. My son, who has always had symtpoms and issues, by the time he turned 4-5, was steadily making gains. really coming around. Then last year(age 7), he CRASHED. big time. It was awful. tantrums, aggression, crying over EVERYthing, obsessing about winning and being first. He had become a completely different child. Looking back at pics, he looked awful.

One day, I clicked on a link his teacher had on her blog, and there was Stan Kurtz's paper! Holy toledo! I found biomed. Read, and snooped and googled. Started with vitamin c because it seemed safe and it made sense. He responded beautifully. tried adding couple of other things to it after that - nothing either way. Then tried epsom foot baths and bingo! another win. I finally found a dan, got him tested and he tested low thyroid and low d. We raised an eyebrow at the thyroid function because his energy level was fine and he really didnt seem to have any typical symptoms. (thyroid is a BIG TIME issue on both my side and my husband's side so it wasn't completely shocking). ( I'm also convinced both my husband and little guy have adrenal issues.)

Anyhow, about a month ago, we took the train into Boston and spent the day at the museum - he pooped out on us half way through the day. It's very unlike him. This kid will hike for hours with his dad. He felt a little warm and when we went into the infrared room, his chest and back were lit up white like a christmas tree- he was much much warmer than the rest of us. I figured he had a touch of something. Last week, we took advantage of an unusually warm day and went to the zoo. Again, he pooped out on me. I've stopped the extra daily c because they're high in oxalates and only give it when it looks like a bug or cold might be creeping up. I don't know if I should start it again. Once again, I'm faced with picking a demon. I've ordered the Lugols and I've been doing some reading. Cheryl, is replacing the vitamin c with another antioxidant an option? We go back to

the dan in April. We had agreed to keep an eye on the thyroid and not be aggressive just yet because there were no symptoms, but I think we need to kick it up.

I don't think strep is involved (just throwing it in there)

thoughts?

-Tammy

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Mon, February 21, 2011 10:59:45 AMSubject: Re: Re : Anxiety/Crying, Is It Strep Infection or Antibiotic That Is Triggering It?

This thread is very interesting and makes me curious. Have any of you seeing these problems tested adrenal function in your kids? Thyroid function? I ask because the crying, anxiety, agression can all be related to those 2. As well as the strep. I am not certain if it would be the PANDAS creating the imbalance, it may be part of the cycle from the strep. It could be the thyroid causing the imbalance which causes the strep or cycle. A vicious circle of doom :PThe lack of iodine, lack of sodium (very important in making Cortisol for the adrenals) infections,antigens(fungus/bacteria) and deficiency of thyroid hormone can cause adrenal insuffiency. It can eventually burn them out so bad in some people they have to take Corticosteroids for the rest of their lives.Some time after i started iodine i had several adrenal issues (mostly my bad cause i wasnt drinking the salt and i wasnt taking enough C). I had felt actual pain in my

adrenals. I also felt annoyance at everything. And just at little things. EVERY little thing. I was getting emotional. Sad commercials brought tears. Interrupting me brought anger. Feeling anxious like everything was going to fall apart at any minute. People were just too annoying to deal with. And it was so intense. Much more intense than I had ever felt before.I literally thought i might implode.After i found out i wasnt using enough salt and C and added more I felt extremely better. Night and day better. Thats when the epiphany occured and i realized i had suffered that lesser scale of these intense feelings my entire life. I have come to figure out that when my adrenals are having difficulty i feel the creep of a symptom. If my adrenals are working right i feel good. I like people. Interrupting my project doesnt send me into anger. I dont dwell on the past, or mistakes or fears. I dont cry for stupid reasons. I am able to think past what is

upsetting/annoying me and find a solution. Mostly when i feel these things trying to creep in I go drink some salt water. Doesnt happen often anymore. And nothing intense.And its usually in the afternoon right before dinner. Time of day has alot to do with these issues as there are peaks in Cortisol, so if you are seeing behaviors at certain times of day more than others maybe there is a high possiblity that its from adrenal/thyroid/PANDAS cycle. A circle of all 3, rather than a begin and end to one.I do think i had strep before Iodine. Dont know for sure testwise. had most the symptoms, i had a few. I personally think we both were FULL of strep and virus and parasites and metal and fungus. I am starting to think when a person cant kill and/or remove one of these its a good bet they are all lurking in some capacity and why targeting the root cause is better than trying to target one symptom/cause. It's all connected.So the

adrenal issue may be another side effect of the strep. Infections can cause adrenal insuffiency, and alot of the symptoms yall describe i think could be adrenal (by my own experience), it makes sense. Something to check out, if you havent already.Cherylhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrenal_insufficiency> >> > > >>My son (high functioning asperger, 12

yr old), has had anxiety problems in > >>the past along with gut issues. He has been doing so well for the last few > >>years with the treatment from our DAN! Dr, and now due to a strep infection > >>and antibiotic use has really relapsed. He has been crying constantly when > >>something doesn't go his way, or he suffers from the slightest > >>dissapointment. He is getting so frustrated that he is pulling at his skin > >>with frustration. I thought this was something in our past and am very > >>discouraged to see this behavior resurface. My question is this, is it the > >>strep infection (he has shown a high count during previous testing), or the > >>antibiotic (Amoxacilin) that he is on that is causing the problem?> >>> >>I am giving him a good probiotic, am planning on doubling it, as well as, >

>>starting the Calm PRT again to help regulate his neurotransmitters. Has > >>anyone else experienced this? If so, did you see the symptoms go away once > >>the antibiotics are stopped? Any advise is appreciated.> >>> >>Thanks In Advance,> >>Connie> >>> >>> >> >> >> >-- > >Toni> >> >------> >Mind like a steel trap...> >Rusty and illegal in 37 states.> >> >> > > -- > Toni> > ------> Mind like a steel trap...> Rusty and illegal in 37 states.>

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Cheryl,

His adrenials were way out of whack! His PEA, gabba, seratonin,....basically, it was all off. That was about a year and a half ago. That is when he was put on GABBA and Calm PRT, melatonin, high omegas, and other neurotransmitter support. I had stopped the Calm PRT about 3 months ago because he was doing so well, and I thought he didn't need it. Guess I was wrong, LOL. With this strep infection, everything is messed up again. I'm waiting to talk to his DAN this evening to see if there is anything else he wants to do.

Connie

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Mon, February 21, 2011 9:59:45 AMSubject: Re: Re : Anxiety/Crying, Is It Strep Infection or Antibiotic That Is Triggering It?

This thread is very interesting and makes me curious. Have any of you seeing these problems tested adrenal function in your kids? Thyroid function? I ask because the crying, anxiety, agression can all be related to those 2. As well as the strep. I am not certain if it would be the PANDAS creating the imbalance, it may be part of the cycle from the strep. It could be the thyroid causing the imbalance which causes the strep or cycle. A vicious circle of doom :PThe lack of iodine, lack of sodium (very important in making Cortisol for the adrenals) infections,antigens(fungus/bacteria) and deficiency of thyroid hormone can cause adrenal insuffiency. It can eventually burn them out so bad in some people they have to take Corticosteroids for the rest of their lives.Some time after i started iodine i had several adrenal issues (mostly my bad cause i wasnt drinking the salt and i wasnt taking enough C). I had felt actual pain in my

adrenals. I also felt annoyance at everything. And just at little things. EVERY little thing. I was getting emotional. Sad commercials brought tears. Interrupting me brought anger. Feeling anxious like everything was going to fall apart at any minute. People were just too annoying to deal with. And it was so intense. Much more intense than I had ever felt before.I literally thought i might implode.After i found out i wasnt using enough salt and C and added more I felt extremely better. Night and day better. Thats when the epiphany occured and i realized i had suffered that lesser scale of these intense feelings my entire life. I have come to figure out that when my adrenals are having difficulty i feel the creep of a symptom. If my adrenals are working right i feel good. I like people. Interrupting my project doesnt send me into anger. I dont dwell on the past, or mistakes or fears. I dont cry for stupid reasons. I am able to think past what is

upsetting/annoying me and find a solution. Mostly when i feel these things trying to creep in I go drink some salt water. Doesnt happen often anymore. And nothing intense.And its usually in the afternoon right before dinner. Time of day has alot to do with these issues as there are peaks in Cortisol, so if you are seeing behaviors at certain times of day more than others maybe there is a high possiblity that its from adrenal/thyroid/PANDAS cycle. A circle of all 3, rather than a begin and end to one.I do think i had strep before Iodine. Dont know for sure testwise. had most the symptoms, i had a few. I personally think we both were FULL of strep and virus and parasites and metal and fungus. I am starting to think when a person cant kill and/or remove one of these its a good bet they are all lurking in some capacity and why targeting the root cause is better than trying to target one symptom/cause. It's all connected.So the

adrenal issue may be another side effect of the strep. Infections can cause adrenal insuffiency, and alot of the symptoms yall describe i think could be adrenal (by my own experience), it makes sense. Something to check out, if you havent already.Cherylhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrenal_insufficiency> >> > > >>My son (high functioning asperger, 12

yr old), has had anxiety problems in > >>the past along with gut issues. He has been doing so well for the last few > >>years with the treatment from our DAN! Dr, and now due to a strep infection > >>and antibiotic use has really relapsed. He has been crying constantly when > >>something doesn't go his way, or he suffers from the slightest > >>dissapointment. He is getting so frustrated that he is pulling at his skin > >>with frustration. I thought this was something in our past and am very > >>discouraged to see this behavior resurface. My question is this, is it the > >>strep infection (he has shown a high count during previous testing), or the > >>antibiotic (Amoxacilin) that he is on that is causing the problem?> >>> >>I am giving him a good probiotic, am planning on doubling it, as well as, >

>>starting the Calm PRT again to help regulate his neurotransmitters. Has > >>anyone else experienced this? If so, did you see the symptoms go away once > >>the antibiotics are stopped? Any advise is appreciated.> >>> >>Thanks In Advance,> >>Connie> >>> >>> >> >> >> >-- > >Toni> >> >------> >Mind like a steel trap...> >Rusty and illegal in 37 states.> >> >> > > -- > Toni> > ------> Mind like a steel trap...> Rusty and illegal in 37 states.>