Re: Spinach

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Holy. Crap. I don't even know what to say.

What a complete waste of all those vitamins and minerals <sigh>.

I'm feeling a bit discouraged....

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sun, February 20, 2011 5:12:38 PMSubject: Spinach

Tammy,I believe that spinach would never had been touted as a "health food" if people had really known the science that had already been done before Popeye came on the scene. Just so you can read the science yourself, look at these studies. (Some are long, but look at the introductions and conclusions, and the pictures of altered bones and teeth and charts of altered growth.) See these studies: http://jn.nutrition.org/content/17/6/557.full.pdfhttp://jn.nutrition.org/content/122/1/137.full.pdfhttp://jn.nutrition.org/content/18/3/233.full.pdfFrom the last study:"If to a diet of meat, peas, carrots and sweet potatoes, relatively low in calcium but permitting good though not maximumgrowth and bone formation, spinach is added to the extent ofabout 8% to supply 60% of the calcium, a high percentageof deaths occurs among rats fed between the age of 21 and90 days. Reproduction

is impossible. The bones are extremely low in calcium, tooth structure is disorganized anddentine poorly calcified. Spinach not only supplies no available calcium but renders unavailable considerable of that ofthe other foods. Considerable of the oxalate appears in theurine, much more in the feces."Immediately below I've put a link to an article explaining how spinach got to be touted as a health food after a paper was printed with a big mistake:http://www.cracked.com/article_18517_the-7-most-disastrous-typos-all-time.htmlTammy, not only is spinach one of the highest foods in oxalate, but it is also one of about five or six foods known to be extremely high in cyanide. Remember cyanide poisoning? These are symptoms:At lower doses, loss of consciousness may be preceded by general weakness, giddiness, headaches, vertigo, confusion, and perceived difficulty in breathing. (from

Wikipedia)Isn't "giddiness" more often called around autism lists, a "yeasty symptom"?Dr. Rosemary Waring found about a fifty fold difference in autism in the thiosulfate to thiocyanate ratio compared to normal controls, which suggests a loss of function of the enzyme rhodanese.Rhodanese detoxifies cyanide that is produced by the metabolism, forming thiocyanate. Thiocyanate then crosses the membrane via a transporter that may be inhibited indirectly by oxalate, but then it is converted outside intestinal cells into an antimicrobial called hypothiocyanate that protects us from microbial overgrowth from UNDERNEATH the biofilm. Odds are, in autism, especially in those eating high oxalate diets, that this protection may be lost.Cyanide is also high in many nuts, especially almonds (and likely almond milk). The lists of which foods are high and how high in cyanide is extremely limited, even at the FDA. I've checked, but

spinach is clearly one of the worst. When rhodanese can't work, then the cyanide gets detoxified by methylcobalamin or hydroxycobalamin, leading to elevated blood and tissue levels of cyanocobalamin (produced in the reactions) and low levels of the important B12 cofactors, critical for methylation and other duties. This could also hurt the folate chemistry.So if this is happening, blood levels of B12 look high, but what you are seeing is tracks of cyanide detoxification when useable B12 is probably quite low so you have signs of cobalamin deficiency even though blood levels look high. Does it makes sense to be feeding children with autism one of the highest foods in oxalate and also cyanide, and a food that may rob us of useable B12? This connection to cyanide may be a bigger reason than boosting methionine synthase activity for explaining why methylcobalamin shots help kids with autism. If the issue had been methionine

synthase, then homocysteine levels should have been high, but more often they are low!The question a parent needs to ask iis this: WHY do you believe spinach is healthy? Who told you that, and WHAT was their proof that it is healthier than other low oxalate green leafy vegetables like kale and cabbages?What may tie the oxalate and cyanide issues together (besides spinach) is a study that found that people with uremia (where oxalate builds up in blood) also have impaired rhodanese function which may mean that oxalate itself impairs this enzyme. That direct work has not been done, but I have a scientist ready to test that in neurons in the spring. This association with rhodanese may be yet another confirmation of how CENTRAL oxalate could be to the metabolic disorders in autism and how spinach should be the last thing on earth you would want to feed your child that has autism, especially in his growing years, and more so if you

know he has a leaky gut and got better when you cut out gluten. (Note in the studies that the rats fed spinach didn't grow properly.)Autism Oxalate Project at ARI

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Aww Tammy... don't be disheartened. Once we know better, we do better. <3

 

Holy. Crap.  I don't even know what to say. 

What a complete waste of all those vitamins and minerals <sigh>.

 

I'm feeling a bit discouraged....

To: mb12 valtrex

Sent: Sun, February 20, 2011 5:12:38 PMSubject: Spinach 

Tammy,I believe that spinach would never had been touted as a " health food " if people had really known the science that had already been done before Popeye came on the scene. Just so you can read the science yourself, look at these studies. (Some are long, but look at the introductions and conclusions, and the pictures of altered bones and teeth and charts of altered growth.)

See these studies: http://jn.nutrition.org/content/17/6/557.full.pdfhttp://jn.nutrition.org/content/122/1/137.full.pdf

http://jn.nutrition.org/content/18/3/233.full.pdfFrom the last study: " If to a diet of meat, peas, carrots and sweet potatoes, rela

tively low in calcium but permitting good though not maximumgrowth and bone formation, spinach is added to the extent ofabout 8% to supply 60% of the calcium, a high percentageof deaths occurs among rats fed between the age of 21 and

90 days. Reproduction

is impossible. The bones are extremely low in calcium, tooth structure is disorganized anddentine poorly calcified. Spinach not only supplies no available calcium but renders unavailable considerable of that of

the other foods. Considerable of the oxalate appears in theurine, much more in the feces. " Immediately below I've put a link to an article explaining how spinach got to be touted as a health food after a paper was printed with a big mistake:

http://www.cracked.com/article_18517_the-7-most-disastrous-typos-all-time.htmlTammy, not only is spinach one of the highest foods in oxalate, but it is also one of about five or six foods known to be extremely high in cyanide. Remember cyanide poisoning?

These are symptoms:At lower doses, loss of consciousness may be preceded by general weakness, giddiness, headaches, vertigo, confusion, and perceived difficulty in breathing. (from

Wikipedia)Isn't " giddiness " more often called around autism lists, a " yeasty symptom " ?Dr. Rosemary Waring found about a fifty fold difference in autism in the thiosulfate to thiocyanate ratio compared to normal controls, which suggests a loss of function of the enzyme rhodanese.

Rhodanese detoxifies cyanide that is produced by the metabolism, forming thiocyanate. Thiocyanate then crosses the membrane via a transporter that may be inhibited indirectly by oxalate, but then it is converted outside intestinal cells into an antimicrobial called hypothiocyanate that protects us from microbial overgrowth from UNDERNEATH the biofilm. Odds are, in autism, especially in those eating high oxalate diets, that this protection may be lost.

Cyanide is also high in many nuts, especially almonds (and likely almond milk). The lists of which foods are high and how high in cyanide is extremely limited, even at the FDA. I've checked, but

spinach is clearly one of the worst. When rhodanese can't work, then the cyanide gets detoxified by methylcobalamin or hydroxycobalamin, leading to elevated blood and tissue levels of cyanocobalamin (produced in the reactions) and low levels of the important B12 cofactors, critical for methylation and other duties. This could also hurt the folate chemistry.

So if this is happening, blood levels of B12 look high, but what you are seeing is tracks of cyanide detoxification when useable B12 is probably quite low so you have signs of cobalamin deficiency even though blood levels look high.

Does it makes sense to be feeding children with autism one of the highest foods in oxalate and also cyanide, and a food that may rob us of useable B12? This connection to cyanide may be a bigger reason than boosting methionine synthase activity for explaining why methylcobalamin shots help kids with autism. If the issue had been methionine

synthase, then homocysteine levels should have been high, but more often they are low!The question a parent needs to ask iis this: WHY do you believe spinach is healthy? Who told you that, and WHAT was their proof that it is healthier than other low oxalate green leafy vegetables like kale and cabbages?

What may tie the oxalate and cyanide issues together (besides spinach) is a study that found that people with uremia (where oxalate builds up in blood) also have impaired rhodanese function which may mean that oxalate itself impairs this enzyme. That direct work has not been done, but I have a scientist ready to test that in neurons in the spring.

This association with rhodanese may be yet another confirmation of how CENTRAL oxalate could be to the metabolic disorders in autism and how spinach should be the last thing on earth you would want to feed your child that has autism, especially in his growing years, and more so if you

know he has a leaky gut and got better when you cut out gluten. (Note in the studies that the rats fed spinach didn't grow properly.)Autism Oxalate Project at ARI

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interesting. i give my ds garlic spinich at least 2x a month. ughhh!

vicki

Spinach

Tammy,

I believe that spinach would never had been touted as a "health food" if people had really known the science that had already been done before Popeye came on the scene.

Just so you can read the science yourself, look at these studies. (Some are long, but look at the introductions and conclusions, and the pictures of altered bones and teeth and charts of altered growth.)

See these studies:

http://jn.nutrition.org/content/17/6/557.full.pdf

http://jn.nutrition.org/content/122/1/137.full.pdf

http://jn.nutrition.org/content/18/3/233.full.pdf

From the last study:

"If to a diet of meat, peas, carrots and sweet potatoes, rela

tively low in calcium but permitting good though not maximum

growth and bone formation, spinach is added to the extent of

about 8% to supply 60% of the calcium, a high percentage

of deaths occurs among rats fed between the age of 21 and

90 days. Reproduction is impossible. The bones are ex

tremely low in calcium, tooth structure is disorganized and

dentine poorly calcified. Spinach not only supplies no avail

able calcium but renders unavailable considerable of that of

the other foods. Considerable of the oxalate appears in the

urine, much more in the feces."

Immediately below I've put a link to an article explaining how spinach got to be touted as a health food after a paper was printed with a big mistake:

http://www.cracked.com/article_18517_the-7-most-disastrous-typos-all-time.html

Tammy, not only is spinach one of the highest foods in oxalate, but it is also one of about five or six foods known to be extremely high in cyanide. Remember cyanide poisoning?

These are symptoms:

At lower doses, loss of consciousness may be preceded by general weakness, giddiness, headaches, vertigo, confusion, and perceived difficulty in breathing. (from Wikipedia)

Isn't "giddiness" more often called around autism lists, a "yeasty symptom"?

Dr. Rosemary Waring found about a fifty fold difference in autism in the thiosulfate to thiocyanate ratio compared to normal controls, which suggests a loss of function of the enzyme rhodanese.

Rhodanese detoxifies cyanide that is produced by the metabolism, forming thiocyanate. Thiocyanate then crosses the membrane via a transporter that may be inhibited indirectly by oxalate, but then it is converted outside intestinal cells into an antimicrobial called hypothiocyanate that protects us from microbial overgrowth from UNDERNEATH the biofilm. Odds are, in autism, especially in those eating high oxalate diets, that this protection may be lost.

Cyanide is also high in many nuts, especially almonds (and likely almond milk). The lists of which foods are high and how high in cyanide is extremely limited, even at the FDA. I've checked, but spinach is clearly one of the worst.

When rhodanese can't work, then the cyanide gets detoxified by methylcobalamin or hydroxycobalamin, leading to elevated blood and tissue levels of cyanocobalamin (produced in the reactions) and low levels of the important B12 cofactors, critical for methylation and other duties. This could also hurt the folate chemistry.

So if this is happening, blood levels of B12 look high, but what you are seeing is tracks of cyanide detoxification when useable B12 is probably quite low so you have signs of cobalamin deficiency even though blood levels look high.

Does it makes sense to be feeding children with autism one of the highest foods in oxalate and also cyanide, and a food that may rob us of useable B12?

This connection to cyanide may be a bigger reason than boosting methionine synthase activity for explaining why methylcobalamin shots help kids with autism. If the issue had been methionine synthase, then homocysteine levels should have been high, but more often they are low!

The question a parent needs to ask iis this: WHY do you believe spinach is healthy? Who told you that, and WHAT was their proof that it is healthier than other low oxalate green leafy vegetables like kale and cabbages?

What may tie the oxalate and cyanide issues together (besides spinach) is a study that found that people with uremia (where oxalate builds up in blood) also have impaired rhodanese function which may mean that oxalate itself impairs this enzyme. That direct work has not been done, but I have a scientist ready to test that in neurons in the spring.

This association with rhodanese may be yet another confirmation of how CENTRAL oxalate could be to the metabolic disorders in autism and how spinach should be the last thing on earth you would want to feed your child that has autism, especially in his growing years, and more so if you know he has a leaky gut and got better when you cut out gluten. (Note in the studies that the rats fed spinach didn't grow properly.)

Autism Oxalate Project at ARI