Guest guest Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 If you HAD to use an abx, Zithromax would probably be a better option than Amoxicillin. SSent from my iPhone My 8 year old son Leo who is currently opperating on the Atusim spectrum has strep throat. We have been using the bio medical treatment for four years, we have working on establishing a healthy gut for what seems like a very long time. He constanly battles yeast. I am afriad to give him amoxicillin. I am thinking about treating it naturally with berberine. Many people have told me that "antibiotics are not that big of a deal, just give him probiotics" but thats not true for our kids...right? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Annie P.S. Prior to this Leo has been doing realy well- little to no stimming, higher brain functioning, learning to read, developing friendships, gaining weight, loves to eat, loves his family. This last year has brought a lot of growth for Leo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 we use belladonna homeopathic remedy for streph throat,seems to work well,but we have used zithromax for streph as well ,sometimes you need the big guns My 8 year old son Leo who is currently opperating on the Atusim spectrum has strep throat. We have been using the bio medical treatment for four years, we have working on establishing a healthy gut for what seems like a very long time. He constanly battles yeast. I am afriad to give him amoxicillin. I am thinking about treating it naturally with berberine. Many people have told me that " antibiotics are not that big of a deal, just give him probiotics " but thats not true for our kids...right? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated!Thanks,AnnieP.S. Prior to this Leo has been doing realy well- little to no stimming, higher brain functioning, learning to read, developing friendships, gaining weight, loves to eat, loves his family. This last year has brought a lot of growth for Leo! -- Cotter4 Pollerton ManorCarlow059 9134964087 2637921 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 PLEASE give either augmentin or zithromax!!!!!!! One of the cursed of autism is the tendency towards PANDAS which begins with strep. If it is not eliminated you may end up with OCD, tics and tantrums that persist for years or forever. > > My 8 year old son Leo who is currently opperating on the Atusim spectrum has strep throat. We have been using the bio medical treatment for four years, we have working on establishing a healthy gut for what seems like a very long time. He constanly battles yeast. I am afriad to give him amoxicillin. I am thinking about treating it naturally with berberine. Many people have told me that " antibiotics are not that big of a deal, just give him probiotics " but thats not true for our kids...right? > > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! > Thanks, > Annie > > P.S. Prior to this Leo has been doing realy well- little to no stimming, higher brain functioning, learning to read, developing friendships, gaining weight, loves to eat, loves his family. This last year has brought a lot of growth for Leo! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 Hi Annie, I would be careful with strep as there seems to be more and more kids popping up with pandas. If your son's immune system is already compromised (asd), strep could be enough to push him over the edge. It doesn't happen every time. But when it does happen, its not pretty. I've no experience with pandas...maybe someone who does will chime in, but I'm not too sure I would skip the antibiotics and I'm also not sure that amox. is the choice rx. I know it sucks because its ALOT of work to get the gut in check. But you want to make sure you look at it from every angle. If you have a biomedical doc, that's a conversation I would definitely have. Try pandas.net. Maybe you can find more info there. Hope your little guy is feeling better soon. -tammy To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sat, March 5, 2011 12:06:23 AMSubject: Strep... My 8 year old son Leo who is currently opperating on the Atusim spectrum has strep throat. We have been using the bio medical treatment for four years, we have working on establishing a healthy gut for what seems like a very long time. He constanly battles yeast. I am afriad to give him amoxicillin. I am thinking about treating it naturally with berberine. Many people have told me that "antibiotics are not that big of a deal, just give him probiotics" but thats not true for our kids...right?Any ideas would be greatly appreciated!Thanks,AnnieP.S. Prior to this Leo has been doing realy well- little to no stimming, higher brain functioning, learning to read, developing friendships, gaining weight, loves to eat, loves his family. This last year has brought a lot of growth for Leo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 I would agree. Don't play around with strep. You will see OCD that makes your child crazy, unexplainable aggression, mania/insomnia, anxiety and motor/vocal tics. You may not see it now, but it will come later when the antibodies that are supposed to kill strep start attacking the brain. I would get the antibiotics, and don't be afraid to go heavy. You can repair any gut issues later, just get rid of the strep! Olive leaf and oil of oregano are not enough for my son. When I feel a sore throat coming on, Manuka honey makes it better pretty much the same day. Manuka honey is supposed to kill strep, but I would not rely on it alone. We have used Zylitol nose spray to kill strep in our sinuses, but again, I would not rely on it alone. Jen > > > > My 8 year old son Leo who is currently opperating on the Atusim spectrum has strep throat. We have been using the bio medical treatment for four years, we have working on establishing a healthy gut for what seems like a very long time. He constanly battles yeast. I am afriad to give him amoxicillin. I am thinking about treating it naturally with berberine. Many people have told me that " antibiotics are not that big of a deal, just give him probiotics " but thats not true for our kids...right? > > > > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! > > Thanks, > > Annie > > > > P.S. Prior to this Leo has been doing realy well- little to no stimming, higher brain functioning, learning to read, developing friendships, gaining weight, loves to eat, loves his family. This last year has brought a lot of growth for Leo! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 Gargle with iodine water 3-4 times a day(2-3 drops in half a cup water gargle and spit). For a child, Ingest 1 to 3 drops of Lugols 2% Iodine twice a day for 5 -7 days. If a child cant gargle, putting the iodine in ALOT of water to drink basically does the same thing of coating the throat except you arent spitting out the dead bacteria. Put diluted iodine (1 drop in 1/4 cup distilled water, or really purified water) and swab the nostrils 2-3x a day. Natural salt with water and more water will flush out the toxins and dead bacteria. Start with 1/4 tsp in half cup water. Followed by a cup of water. Epsoms salt footbaths and lots of protein cant hurt either. Keep in mind that i am not a fan of antibiotics so i am totally biased and to me it seems antibiotics dont cure the strep, just lower the numbers along with destroying the gut and people have to keep taking it forever(or so it seems). Cause when the antibiotics stop, the strep returns. Just my opinions, which tend to differ from many here on this subject :-) Like i have said, antibiotics may be warranted for this episode, or several or not. Only you can decide that. If used, it should be short term (once lol) imo, with the long term thoughts or focus to changing why Strep happened or continues to linger. If a person is always getting Strep, or colds or sinus infections, or respiratory infections or flu bugs, supplementing with Lugols iodine along with a comprehensive nutritional program can stop it. Bold statement i know, but i have seen it happen in too many people to not think it true. Cheryl > > > > > > My 8 year old son Leo who is currently opperating on the Atusim spectrum has strep throat. We have been using the bio medical treatment for four years, we have working on establishing a healthy gut for what seems like a very long time. He constanly battles yeast. I am afriad to give him amoxicillin. I am thinking about treating it naturally with berberine. Many people have told me that " antibiotics are not that big of a deal, just give him probiotics " but thats not true for our kids...right? > > > > > > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! > > > Thanks, > > > Annie > > > > > > P.S. Prior to this Leo has been doing realy well- little to no stimming, higher brain functioning, learning to read, developing friendships, gaining weight, loves to eat, loves his family. This last year has brought a lot of growth for Leo! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 Jen, how were you able to determine it was in the nose? How did you know to look for it there? I've heard people saying that the strep is in the gut or in other places -- how do you determine where the strep is? I want to be prepared for the strep fight if I should ever need to do it. PANDAS and strep evoke the fear of god in me...we seem to have issues in our family that are indicative of possible immunological issues with strep that exhibit PANDAS-like symptoms -- my dad had these when he was in his 40s to 50s, and looking back, I think some of it was attributed to strep exposure...or he could have developed Tourettes, I'm not sure. (I guess I couldn't call it PANDAS for my dad because, technically, PANDAS is a pediatric issue by definition but I think my family definitely has a history of issues with strep). I would agree. Don't play around with strep. You will see OCD that makes your child crazy, unexplainable aggression, mania/insomnia, anxiety and motor/vocal tics. You may not see it now, but it will come later when the antibodies that are supposed to kill strep start attacking the brain. I would get the antibiotics, and don't be afraid to go heavy. You can repair any gut issues later, just get rid of the strep! Olive leaf and oil of oregano are not enough for my son. When I feel a sore throat coming on, Manuka honey makes it better pretty much the same day. Manuka honey is supposed to kill strep, but I would not rely on it alone. We have used Zylitol nose spray to kill strep in our sinuses, but again, I would not rely on it alone. Jen > > > > My 8 year old son Leo who is currently opperating on the Atusim spectrum has strep throat. We have been using the bio medical treatment for four years, we have working on establishing a healthy gut for what seems like a very long time. He constanly battles yeast. I am afriad to give him amoxicillin. I am thinking about treating it naturally with berberine. Many people have told me that " antibiotics are not that big of a deal, just give him probiotics " but thats not true for our kids...right? > > > > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! > > Thanks, > > Annie > > > > P.S. Prior to this Leo has been doing realy well- little to no stimming, higher brain functioning, learning to read, developing friendships, gaining weight, loves to eat, loves his family. This last year has brought a lot of growth for Leo! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 Cheryl, what would be such conditions in the body where it allows strep to be more persistent? What kinds of conditions exist in the body where it would make good environment for strep to want to unpack its bags and stay a while? How do I make an environment that would avoid this from happening? I suspect stopping the stomach irritation and the constant IgG battles. Right now, I'm using all means necessary to stop the stomach irritation because, from what I understand, the longer the gut issues drag out, the weaker the immune system can become and the chronic diarrhea is/was a ticking time bomb. I will start supplementing with iodine. Is there anything else I should be doing to create a less hospitable environment for strep? Gargle with iodine water 3-4 times a day(2-3 drops in half a cup water gargle and spit). For a child, Ingest 1 to 3 drops of Lugols 2% Iodine twice a day for 5 -7 days. If a child cant gargle, putting the iodine in ALOT of water to drink basically does the same thing of coating the throat except you arent spitting out the dead bacteria. Put diluted iodine (1 drop in 1/4 cup distilled water, or really purified water) and swab the nostrils 2-3x a day. Natural salt with water and more water will flush out the toxins and dead bacteria. Start with 1/4 tsp in half cup water. Followed by a cup of water. Epsoms salt footbaths and lots of protein cant hurt either. Keep in mind that i am not a fan of antibiotics so i am totally biased and to me it seems antibiotics dont cure the strep, just lower the numbers along with destroying the gut and people have to keep taking it forever(or so it seems). Cause when the antibiotics stop, the strep returns. Just my opinions, which tend to differ from many here on this subject :-) Like i have said, antibiotics may be warranted for this episode, or several or not. Only you can decide that. If used, it should be short term (once lol) imo, with the long term thoughts or focus to changing why Strep happened or continues to linger. If a person is always getting Strep, or colds or sinus infections, or respiratory infections or flu bugs, supplementing with Lugols iodine along with a comprehensive nutritional program can stop it. Bold statement i know, but i have seen it happen in too many people to not think it true. Cheryl > > > > > > My 8 year old son Leo who is currently opperating on the Atusim spectrum has strep throat. We have been using the bio medical treatment for four years, we have working on establishing a healthy gut for what seems like a very long time. He constanly battles yeast. I am afriad to give him amoxicillin. I am thinking about treating it naturally with berberine. Many people have told me that " antibiotics are not that big of a deal, just give him probiotics " but thats not true for our kids...right? > > > > > > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! > > > Thanks, > > > Annie > > > > > > P.S. Prior to this Leo has been doing realy well- little to no stimming, higher brain functioning, learning to read, developing friendships, gaining weight, loves to eat, loves his family. This last year has brought a lot of growth for Leo! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 We just got my son's blood work results back yesterday, and he has strep. They said that he doesn't have the markers for PANDAS, but that he is making strep antibodies. He also has a yeast overgrowth. I am interested to see how his behavior will change, once we start fighting the strep. Jen, how were you able to determine it was in the nose? How did you know to look for it there? I've heard people saying that the strep is in the gut or in other places -- how do you determine where the strep is? I want to be prepared for the strep fight if I should ever need to do it. PANDAS and strep evoke the fear of god in me...we seem to have issues in our family that are indicative of possible immunological issues with strep that exhibit PANDAS-like symptoms -- my dad had these when he was in his 40s to 50s, and looking back, I think some of it was attributed to strep exposure...or he could have developed Tourettes, I'm not sure. (I guess I couldn't call it PANDAS for my dad because, technically, PANDAS is a pediatric issue by definition but I think my family definitely has a history of issues with strep). I would agree. Don't play around with strep. You will see OCD that makes your child crazy, unexplainable aggression, mania/insomnia, anxiety and motor/vocal tics. You may not see it now, but it will come later when the antibodies that are supposed to kill strep start attacking the brain. I would get the antibiotics, and don't be afraid to go heavy. You can repair any gut issues later, just get rid of the strep! Olive leaf and oil of oregano are not enough for my son. When I feel a sore throat coming on, Manuka honey makes it better pretty much the same day. Manuka honey is supposed to kill strep, but I would not rely on it alone. We have used Zylitol nose spray to kill strep in our sinuses, but again, I would not rely on it alone. Jen > > > > My 8 year old son Leo who is currently opperating on the Atusim spectrum has strep throat. We have been using the bio medical treatment for four years, we have working on establishing a healthy gut for what seems like a very long time. He constanly battles yeast. I am afriad to give him amoxicillin. I am thinking about treating it naturally with berberine. Many people have told me that "antibiotics are not that big of a deal, just give him probiotics" but thats not true for our kids...right? > > > > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! > > Thanks, > > Annie > > > > P.S. Prior to this Leo has been doing realy well- little to no stimming, higher brain functioning, learning to read, developing friendships, gaining weight, loves to eat, loves his family. This last year has brought a lot of growth for Leo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 Strep hides often in the tonsils, thats why its so bad for our kids, sitting by the brain. Its extremely difficult to get rid of as well. It usually takes hard core antibiotic's. IVIG for two years, proved useless for our son, still treating it. After this summer if its still an issue, I guess we will consider getting his tonsils taken out. I dread that too. > > > > > > > > My 8 year old son Leo who is currently opperating on the Atusim spectrum has strep throat. We have been using the bio medical treatment for four years, we have working on establishing a healthy gut for what seems like a very long time. He constanly battles yeast. I am afriad to give him amoxicillin. I am thinking about treating it naturally with berberine. Many people have told me that " antibiotics are not that big of a deal, just give him probiotics " but thats not true for our kids...right? > > > > > > > > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! > > > > Thanks, > > > > Annie > > > > > > > > P.S. Prior to this Leo has been doing realy well- little to no stimming, higher brain functioning, learning to read, developing friendships, gaining weight, loves to eat, loves his family. This last year has brought a lot of growth for Leo > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 The most easily fixed condition would be iodine deficiency. Which has a way of fixing the others. For those with a mostly healthy body adding a drop or 2 of Lugols 2%iodine daily is enough to stop the bugs. This type of person gets the occassional cold or flu and even strep and elminates it. Enough iodine and they dont get it. Just passes thru their body without symptoms cause it's killed and removed efficiently. For those with severe Iodine deficiency and Thyroid disorder, autism(?) all with a resulting cascade of symptoms they will need more. The lack of iodine contributes to being unable to remove the bugs, Getting sick from all the bugs, AND keeping the bugs in growing numbers creating a newer wider variety of symptoms and deficiencies. To stop that, To create a body that works how it's suppose to, or the environement where pathogens dont thrive seems to require iodine not being obtained from food sources. And you are right, the longer the body is messed up the worse it becomes. All you have to do is look around at those around you (or am i the only one that sees sick people everywhere?) or check statistics. There are very few healthy people. The progression of so called age related illness, the obesity, the cancers, the zillions of auto immune disorders are all testimony that something is terribly wrong within our health care system. I could write another book on that so i will just say, What seems to be working for me and mine is: Lugols 2% Iodine,Transdermal Magnesium Chloride,Magnesium Malate, Se, D3, B2, Niacin, Hymalayan pink salt, Tyrosine, Coconut Oil, Enzymes, Natural Thyroid (me), Vit C (Buffered and Liposomal), Inositol and lots of water and good food. I think the Low Oxalate Diet would probably help anyone. As well as avoiding/limiting goitrogen foods. I have only recently been trying to limit oxalate. Didnt get how important it was until a few weeks ago. I havent had a potato in a week (and i pretty much ate them daily). If you arent familiar with the diet, it seems to effect the availablility of iodine. Among other things. Oxalate is like a halide that displaces iodine. Oxalate is almost sounding as bad as worms! Try to eliminate or limit red meat, find a good chicken source. I find it the easiest protein source to create a variety of menus. Use good oils. Use lots of natural salt to cook.Garlic. Limit milk or change to a non milk non soy source. Some people say raw milk or goats milk is good. This is where enzymes help. I havent done many Probiotics mostly cause when i looked into them in the past the decent ones required overnight air to me since i am in the booonies so hadnt used them. Reading alot of the posts here lately makes me think they have gotten better at making them so might try again. I tried Kefir and it was fun to grow but i couldnt drink the stuff and wouldnt get near it. Plain or anything i mixed it with and he would not eat it. He actually took my kefir jar from the fridge and hid it once (almost killing them!) he was that freaked out by it. Lots of people swear by it tho. Eliminating sugar is one of the most recommended things. I tend to eat sugar. eats sugar. I am bad. I like icecream. Brownies occasionaly. I would never eat fake sugar. Stevia (the real stuff not the fake processed stuff) is very good for sugar substitution and i think there is anti viral properties as well. So if you can eliminate sugar all the way you are better at it than me and you will all be healthier for it! Eliminating some, if not all sugar, still has benefit. Thats what i try to do. I tend to pick my battles differently than some. Sunshine. I am a firm believer that a minimum 20 minutes of sunshine should be on everyones must do list of each day. We should be ingraining this habit in our children. If you happen to live in a place that doesnt have sun most its days (like me) then D3 is a must. Or the right sunlamps Or a mass exodus to Sunnier climates. I think my Black Walnut Hulls and Wormwood are going to be here today so I plan to try those. And Chrissys formula I think we all probably have more parasites than we want to imagine. The biomed that you have been using and you feel is working should be continued. It may only need a little tweaking to ensure enough of the Mag and C and Natural Salt. It may need more tweaking as the body heals. Additional things (MB12, Valtrex, LDN, a few others) may be considered for some to correct deficiency, eliminate high viral loads, speed healing. So thats what i think and thats what i do and it may or may not work for you, it's worth a try. Cheryl > > Cheryl, what would be such conditions in the body where it allows strep to > be more persistent? What kinds of conditions exist in the body where it > would make good environment for strep to want to unpack its bags and stay a > while? How do I make an environment that would avoid this from happening? > > I suspect stopping the stomach irritation and the constant IgG battles. > Right now, I'm using all means necessary to stop the stomach irritation > because, from what I understand, the longer the gut issues drag out, the > weaker the immune system can become and the chronic diarrhea is/was a > ticking time bomb. I will start supplementing with iodine. Is there > anything else I should be doing to create a less hospitable environment for > strep? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 These 2 posts underneath on this thread sum it up best to me, another Mom with a PANDAS child. PANDAS is an autoimmune disorder- I am no scientist, but the antibodies that have gone 'haywire' from strep gone 'wild' cross the blood brain barrier, and attack the basal ganglia part of the brain. You've heard of rheumatic fever- where the strep has gone 'rouge' in the body, and it attacks the heart and joints? Well, PANDAS is like that, except for attacking the heart and joints like rheumatic fever, it attacks the BRAIN. How does this happen? I don't know, maybe it was the Hep B shot with mercury at 2 hours old, and the subsequent multiple vaccinations recieved after that first year of life wrecked unbelievable damamge to the immune system. Either way, once PANDAS has started, the very best chance you have is to squash it as soon as you can. I'd do the Azithromycin for treatment if strep is present, and you already have a weakened immune system. Please, do not play around with strep. Give a good, strong probiotic at least 2 hours away, watch for yeast- anti-fungal if necessary. My dd5's PANDAS has been left untreated for years---and by that, I don't mean she had strep throat, and I didn't give antibiotics - I did, amoxicillin that was prescribed. We just had a 2 day, high dose IVIG treatment for her last week. Praying for remission/recovery. > > > > PLEASE give either augmentin or zithromax!!!!!!! One of the cursed of autism is the tendency towards PANDAS which begins with strep. If it is not eliminated you may end up with OCD, tics and tantrums that persist for years or forever. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 I didn't know for sure. I had just read that if you have reoccuring strep throat, the bacteria can be living in your sinuses. My son was a nose picker, I've always had issues with my sinuses, and I had a sore inside my nose that was not healing. I bought the Zylitol spray and the sore that had been there a few months, cleared up very quickly. After that, I started to use it whenever I felt sinus problems, as it really helps keep me be clear. The honey is very helpful when my throat starts to feel sore or I feel nausea. I work in an elementary school, and get exposed to everything. I don't wait to get sick, I hit it immediately, and it never takes me over. It took me a few years to realize my son has PANDAS flares because the symptoms can be confused with the autism he already has. He only tested positive for strep once with a throat culture, and he did not have a fever at the time. We did a titer test recently. His strep titers are not high, but he has them despite not having tested positive for strep in over 8 years. > > > > > > > > My 8 year old son Leo who is currently opperating on the Atusim > > spectrum has strep throat. We have been using the bio medical treatment for > > four years, we have working on establishing a healthy gut for what seems > > like a very long time. He constanly battles yeast. I am afriad to give him > > amoxicillin. I am thinking about treating it naturally with berberine. Many > > people have told me that " antibiotics are not that big of a deal, just give > > him probiotics " but thats not true for our kids...right? > > > > > > > > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! > > > > Thanks, > > > > Annie > > > > > > > > P.S. Prior to this Leo has been doing realy well- little to no > > stimming, higher brain functioning, learning to read, developing > > friendships, gaining weight, loves to eat, loves his family. This last year > > has brought a lot of growth for Leo! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 You may need to stay on the Azithromycin longer that the 5 or 10 day treatment, and perhaps then go to a propholatic dose of it (1x or 2x a week) to keep the strep at bay. Have his strep titers ever been pulled? (blood test) Although keep in mind, 50% of PANDAS kids will have normal strep titers (mine does) but if he is getting it over and over again, I bet his strep titers will be high- that might convince the Dr. that there is indeed a problem, and a longer term dose on antibiotics will get those titers back down to normal. Just a thought- P.S. My dd is also on Azith. right now, but I also am using an anti-fungal and high quality probiotic to help her gut. > > My 8 year old has also been fighting strep for the past several months. Our ped always gives him Zithromax for it. My son does poorly with Amoxicillin (yeast and behaviors get much worse). His issues always improve on Zithromax but he has high clostridia markers on the OAT so that might be why. The Zithromax cures the strep temporarily for him but it keeps coming back. Our ped said strep throat must be treated with antibiotics to prevent complications. He also said the strep is not just coming back in his body, he keeps picking it up somewhere. This doesn't seem accurate to me because I see the improvement on the Zithromax and then can see the symptoms immediately start creeping back as soon as the antibiotic is finished. I don't know what the best treatment is. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 yeah going to jump in here as iodine is NOT going to address an autoimmune issue and this advise is dangerous as it can cause parents to NOT treat with antibiotics which could PREVENT thing like PANDAS from going haywire in the body. the brain, lungs and heart being under attack from the body is NOTHING to mess with and thinking that iodine will fix that with swishes and swabs.... From: Cheryl Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 9:58 AM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Strep... Gargle with iodine water 3-4 times a day(2-3 drops in half a cup water gargle and spit). For a child, Ingest 1 to 3 drops of Lugols 2% Iodine twice a day for 5 -7 days. If a child cant gargle, putting the iodine in ALOT of water to drink basically does the same thing of coating the throat except you arent spitting out the dead bacteria. Put diluted iodine (1 drop in 1/4 cup distilled water, or really purified water) and swab the nostrils 2-3x a day. Natural salt with water and more water will flush out the toxins and dead bacteria. Start with 1/4 tsp in half cup water. Followed by a cup of water. Epsoms salt footbaths and lots of protein cant hurt either. Keep in mind that i am not a fan of antibiotics so i am totally biased and to me it seems antibiotics dont cure the strep, just lower the numbers along with destroying the gut and people have to keep taking it forever(or so it seems). Cause when the antibiotics stop, the strep returns. Just my opinions, which tend to differ from many here on this subject :-) Like i have said, antibiotics may be warranted for this episode, or several or not. Only you can decide that. If used, it should be short term (once lol) imo, with the long term thoughts or focus to changing why Strep happened or continues to linger.If a person is always getting Strep, or colds or sinus infections, or respiratory infections or flu bugs, supplementing with Lugols iodine along with a comprehensive nutritional program can stop it. Bold statement i know, but i have seen it happen in too many people to not think it true. Cheryl > > >> > > My 8 year old son Leo who is currently opperating on the Atusim spectrum has strep throat. We have been using the bio medical treatment for four years, we have working on establishing a healthy gut for what seems like a very long time. He constanly battles yeast. I am afriad to give him amoxicillin. I am thinking about treating it naturally with berberine. Many people have told me that "antibiotics are not that big of a deal, just give him probiotics" but thats not true for our kids...right?> > > > > > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated!> > > Thanks,> > > Annie> > > > > > P.S. Prior to this Leo has been doing realy well- little to no stimming, higher brain functioning, learning to read, developing friendships, gaining weight, loves to eat, loves his family. This last year has brought a lot of growth for Leo!> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 Has your ped dosed Zithromax longer than the customary 5-7 days? SSent from my iPhone My 8 year old has also been fighting strep for the past several months. Our ped always gives him Zithromax for it. My son does poorly with Amoxicillin (yeast and behaviors get much worse). His issues always improve on Zithromax but he has high clostridia markers on the OAT so that might be why. The Zithromax cures the strep temporarily for him but it keeps coming back. Our ped said strep throat must be treated with antibiotics to prevent complications. He also said the strep is not just coming back in his body, he keeps picking it up somewhere. This doesn't seem accurate to me because I see the improvement on the Zithromax and then can see the symptoms immediately start creeping back as soon as the antibiotic is finished. I don't know what the best treatment is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 So I take it you have used the iodine in the manner described and found it to not work? That is the only definitive way you can say it will not address strep, or your autoimmune issues. If you have some link to where it says it doesnt work, that iodine will not address an autoimmune issue, please share. I, and many others have used iodine in the described manner and eliminated strep. There are now many doctors who have used it in the manner described and eliminated strep. So who is right and who is wrong and who is dangerous and who is just dangerously afraid? To even try, to even hope, or give hope. Why deny something so many are finding health with and not tried? People ARE addressing autoimmune issues with the use of iodine. And not just thyroid immune issues. A myriad of immune issues. Diseases. Issues. Syndromes. I hope i do convince everyone to try iodine rather than antibiotics because in my opinion iodine is the key. I get that your opinion is that it's not. Yes strep is nothing to mess with, yes it can reek havoc on the brain and body. Seen it first hand. Yes antibiotics might help eliminate it. Few people can also get past having to take it for months or years or is it forever? Antibiotics are known to cause liver issues. Iodine is known to correct liver issues. Antibiotics tear down the system to kill one bug and what other systems are effected? Are the long term effects really known? With iodine sufficiency the focus is not on one bug or pathogen or metal or issue. Its about fixing the body, Learning how to give the body what it's deficient in, providing a comprehensive nutritional program with emphasize on minerals and vitamins and lots of protein, good water and exercise, building up the immune system, creating an endocrine system that works properly. Transport systems that work properly. Immune response that works properly. And so on. A healthy body with healthy systems that takes care of pathogens, metals and toxins. You think iodine wont help accomplish that. You say it doesnt mater. There are alot of folks finding it does. Me included. Cheryl > > > > > > > > My 8 year old son Leo who is currently opperating on the Atusim spectrum has strep throat. We have been using the bio medical treatment for four years, we have working on establishing a healthy gut for what seems like a very long time. He constanly battles yeast. I am afriad to give him amoxicillin. I am thinking about treating it naturally with berberine. Many people have told me that " antibiotics are not that big of a deal, just give him probiotics " but thats not true for our kids...right? > > > > > > > > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! > > > > Thanks, > > > > Annie > > > > > > > > P.S. Prior to this Leo has been doing realy well- little to no stimming, higher brain functioning, learning to read, developing friendships, gaining weight, loves to eat, loves his family. This last year has brought a lot of growth for Leo! > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 That's an awesome post, Cheryl. A good checklist of things that I need to do. We've already started to address oxalates in my house and honestly, it's made a huge difference. Yes, I think oxalates inhibit absorption of iodine into cells but I've also noticed that since we've been addressing oxalates with LOD (we're at medium oxalates right now, I haven't been consciously bringing down oxalates to the recommended values and counting the oxalates but instead have been stocking my fridge with foods that are lower in oxalates and reducing all the high oxalate foods). The dumping has been crazy. Maia had been dumping oxalates for about a month and a half -- on and off -- but each dump were seriously heavy oxalate loads. But with dumping all those oxalates, for some reason, the carnosine is working much, much better. The carnosine definitely helps to lift her apraxia and when she skips a dose now (we do 400 mg twice a day), it's like night and day. Before we addressed oxalates, I couldn't see much of a difference when a dose was missed. Thanks for the tip on goitrogenic foods. Again, I had no idea that such a thing even existed in foods but I just did a quick google on what this is and I really didn't know certain foods can impact the thyroid. Some of the goitrogenic foods we had been eating in moderation and very spaced apart -- just because whenever we ate these a few days in a row, they would cause problems (things like cauliflower, broccoli, kale, etc.). I had no idea these impact the thyroid. I'm going to have to do more reading about it. What's the difference between using a transdermal magnesium? Why do you use two types of magnesium? Is there a difference in how it's utilized? The most easily fixed condition would be iodine deficiency. Which has a way of fixing the others. For those with a mostly healthy body adding a drop or 2 of Lugols 2%iodine daily is enough to stop the bugs. This type of person gets the occassional cold or flu and even strep and elminates it. Enough iodine and they dont get it. Just passes thru their body without symptoms cause it's killed and removed efficiently. For those with severe Iodine deficiency and Thyroid disorder, autism(?) all with a resulting cascade of symptoms they will need more. The lack of iodine contributes to being unable to remove the bugs, Getting sick from all the bugs, AND keeping the bugs in growing numbers creating a newer wider variety of symptoms and deficiencies. To stop that, To create a body that works how it's suppose to, or the environement where pathogens dont thrive seems to require iodine not being obtained from food sources. And you are right, the longer the body is messed up the worse it becomes. All you have to do is look around at those around you (or am i the only one that sees sick people everywhere?) or check statistics. There are very few healthy people. The progression of so called age related illness, the obesity, the cancers, the zillions of auto immune disorders are all testimony that something is terribly wrong within our health care system. I could write another book on that so i will just say, What seems to be working for me and mine is: Lugols 2% Iodine,Transdermal Magnesium Chloride,Magnesium Malate, Se, D3, B2, Niacin, Hymalayan pink salt, Tyrosine, Coconut Oil, Enzymes, Natural Thyroid (me), Vit C (Buffered and Liposomal), Inositol and lots of water and good food. I think the Low Oxalate Diet would probably help anyone. As well as avoiding/limiting goitrogen foods. I have only recently been trying to limit oxalate. Didnt get how important it was until a few weeks ago. I havent had a potato in a week (and i pretty much ate them daily). If you arent familiar with the diet, it seems to effect the availablility of iodine. Among other things. Oxalate is like a halide that displaces iodine. Oxalate is almost sounding as bad as worms! Try to eliminate or limit red meat, find a good chicken source. I find it the easiest protein source to create a variety of menus. Use good oils. Use lots of natural salt to cook.Garlic. Limit milk or change to a non milk non soy source. Some people say raw milk or goats milk is good. This is where enzymes help. I havent done many Probiotics mostly cause when i looked into them in the past the decent ones required overnight air to me since i am in the booonies so hadnt used them. Reading alot of the posts here lately makes me think they have gotten better at making them so might try again. I tried Kefir and it was fun to grow but i couldnt drink the stuff and wouldnt get near it. Plain or anything i mixed it with and he would not eat it. He actually took my kefir jar from the fridge and hid it once (almost killing them!) he was that freaked out by it. Lots of people swear by it tho. Eliminating sugar is one of the most recommended things. I tend to eat sugar. eats sugar. I am bad. I like icecream. Brownies occasionaly. I would never eat fake sugar. Stevia (the real stuff not the fake processed stuff) is very good for sugar substitution and i think there is anti viral properties as well. So if you can eliminate sugar all the way you are better at it than me and you will all be healthier for it! Eliminating some, if not all sugar, still has benefit. Thats what i try to do. I tend to pick my battles differently than some. Sunshine. I am a firm believer that a minimum 20 minutes of sunshine should be on everyones must do list of each day. We should be ingraining this habit in our children. If you happen to live in a place that doesnt have sun most its days (like me) then D3 is a must. Or the right sunlamps Or a mass exodus to Sunnier climates. I think my Black Walnut Hulls and Wormwood are going to be here today so I plan to try those. And Chrissys formula I think we all probably have more parasites than we want to imagine. The biomed that you have been using and you feel is working should be continued. It may only need a little tweaking to ensure enough of the Mag and C and Natural Salt. It may need more tweaking as the body heals. Additional things (MB12, Valtrex, LDN, a few others) may be considered for some to correct deficiency, eliminate high viral loads, speed healing. So thats what i think and thats what i do and it may or may not work for you, it's worth a try. Cheryl > > Cheryl, what would be such conditions in the body where it allows strep to > be more persistent? What kinds of conditions exist in the body where it > would make good environment for strep to want to unpack its bags and stay a > while? How do I make an environment that would avoid this from happening? > > I suspect stopping the stomach irritation and the constant IgG battles. > Right now, I'm using all means necessary to stop the stomach irritation > because, from what I understand, the longer the gut issues drag out, the > weaker the immune system can become and the chronic diarrhea is/was a > ticking time bomb. I will start supplementing with iodine. Is there > anything else I should be doing to create a less hospitable environment for > strep? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 OMG i think that is what happened to my son. he was very sick got amoxicillin, but he never seemed to recover from it. he can not sleep anymore and he was a good sleeper always, now he sleeps maybe a few hrs, wakes up middle of the night, and so on. he is like a manic walking back and forth many times, he never done that either. So what am I supposed to do?Please someone tell me. I really want my son back the way he was. Tunde I would agree. Don't play around with strep. You will see OCD that makes your child crazy, unexplainable aggression, mania/insomnia, anxiety and motor/vocal tics. You may not see it now, but it will come later when the antibodies that are supposed to kill strep start attacking the brain. I would get the antibiotics, and don't be afraid to go heavy. You can repair any gut issues later, just get rid of the strep! Olive leaf and oil of oregano are not enough for my son. When I feel a sore throat coming on, Manuka honey makes it better pretty much the same day. Manuka honey is supposed to kill strep, but I would not rely on it alone. We have used Zylitol nose spray to kill strep in our sinuses, but again, I would not rely on it alone. Jen > > > > My 8 year old son Leo who is currently opperating on the Atusim spectrum has strep throat. We have been using the bio medical treatment for four years, we have working on establishing a healthy gut for what seems like a very long time. He constanly battles yeast. I am afriad to give him amoxicillin. I am thinking about treating it naturally with berberine. Many people have told me that " antibiotics are not that big of a deal, just give him probiotics " but thats not true for our kids...right? > > > > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! > > Thanks, > > Annie > > > > P.S. Prior to this Leo has been doing realy well- little to no stimming, higher brain functioning, learning to read, developing friendships, gaining weight, loves to eat, loves his family. This last year has brought a lot of growth for Leo! > > > -- " Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. " MLK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 On the same note, how many doctors have told us that biomedical intervention would not address our children's "autism". ?? Just sayin'. To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sat, March 5, 2011 2:47:23 PMSubject: Re: Re: Strep... yeah going to jump in here as iodine is NOT going to address an autoimmune issue and this advise is dangerous as it can cause parents to NOT treat with antibiotics which could PREVENT thing like PANDAS from going haywire in the body. the brain, lungs and heart being under attack from the body is NOTHING to mess with and thinking that iodine will fix that with swishes and swabs.... From: Cheryl Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 9:58 AM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Strep... Gargle with iodine water 3-4 times a day(2-3 drops in half a cup water gargle and spit). For a child, Ingest 1 to 3 drops of Lugols 2% Iodine twice a day for 5 -7 days. If a child cant gargle, putting the iodine in ALOT of water to drink basically does the same thing of coating the throat except you arent spitting out the dead bacteria. Put diluted iodine (1 drop in 1/4 cup distilled water, or really purified water) and swab the nostrils 2-3x a day. Natural salt with water and more water will flush out the toxins and dead bacteria. Start with 1/4 tsp in half cup water. Followed by a cup of water. Epsoms salt footbaths and lots of protein cant hurt either. Keep in mind that i am not a fan of antibiotics so i am totally biased and to me it seems antibiotics dont cure the strep, just lower the numbers along with destroying the gut and people have to keep taking it forever(or so it seems). Cause when the antibiotics stop, the strep returns. Just my opinions, which tend to differ from many here on this subject :-) Like i have said, antibiotics may be warranted for this episode, or several or not. Only you can decide that. If used, it should be short term (once lol) imo, with the long term thoughts or focus to changing why Strep happened or continues to linger.If a person is always getting Strep, or colds or sinus infections, or respiratory infections or flu bugs, supplementing with Lugols iodine along with a comprehensive nutritional program can stop it. Bold statement i know, but i have seen it happen in too many people to not think it true. Cheryl > > >> > > My 8 year old son Leo who is currently opperating on the Atusim spectrum has strep throat. We have been using the bio medical treatment for four years, we have working on establishing a healthy gut for what seems like a very long time. He constanly battles yeast. I am afriad to give him amoxicillin. I am thinking about treating it naturally with berberine. Many people have told me that "antibiotics are not that big of a deal, just give him probiotics" but thats not true for our kids...right?> > > > > > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated!> > > Thanks,> > > Annie> > > > > > P.S. Prior to this Leo has been doing realy well- little to no stimming, higher brain functioning, learning to read, developing friendships, gaining weight, loves to eat, loves his family. This last year has brought a lot of growth for Leo!> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 ....and I'm one, btw, who thinks she ought to go ahead with the abx. But if it were ME, I'd prob give the iodine a shot.... To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sat, March 5, 2011 5:10:49 PMSubject: Re: Re: Strep... On the same note, how many doctors have told us that biomedical intervention would not address our children's "autism". ?? Just sayin'. To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sat, March 5, 2011 2:47:23 PMSubject: Re: Re: Strep... yeah going to jump in here as iodine is NOT going to address an autoimmune issue and this advise is dangerous as it can cause parents to NOT treat with antibiotics which could PREVENT thing like PANDAS from going haywire in the body. the brain, lungs and heart being under attack from the body is NOTHING to mess with and thinking that iodine will fix that with swishes and swabs.... From: Cheryl Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 9:58 AM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Strep... Gargle with iodine water 3-4 times a day(2-3 drops in half a cup water gargle and spit). For a child, Ingest 1 to 3 drops of Lugols 2% Iodine twice a day for 5 -7 days. If a child cant gargle, putting the iodine in ALOT of water to drink basically does the same thing of coating the throat except you arent spitting out the dead bacteria. Put diluted iodine (1 drop in 1/4 cup distilled water, or really purified water) and swab the nostrils 2-3x a day. Natural salt with water and more water will flush out the toxins and dead bacteria. Start with 1/4 tsp in half cup water. Followed by a cup of water. Epsoms salt footbaths and lots of protein cant hurt either. Keep in mind that i am not a fan of antibiotics so i am totally biased and to me it seems antibiotics dont cure the strep, just lower the numbers along with destroying the gut and people have to keep taking it forever(or so it seems). Cause when the antibiotics stop, the strep returns. Just my opinions, which tend to differ from many here on this subject :-) Like i have said, antibiotics may be warranted for this episode, or several or not. Only you can decide that. If used, it should be short term (once lol) imo, with the long term thoughts or focus to changing why Strep happened or continues to linger.If a person is always getting Strep, or colds or sinus infections, or respiratory infections or flu bugs, supplementing with Lugols iodine along with a comprehensive nutritional program can stop it. Bold statement i know, but i have seen it happen in too many people to not think it true. Cheryl > > >> > > My 8 year old son Leo who is currently opperating on the Atusim spectrum has strep throat. We have been using the bio medical treatment for four years, we have working on establishing a healthy gut for what seems like a very long time. He constanly battles yeast. I am afriad to give him amoxicillin. I am thinking about treating it naturally with berberine. Many people have told me that "antibiotics are not that big of a deal, just give him probiotics" but thats not true for our kids...right?> > > > > > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated!> > > Thanks,> > > Annie> > > > > > P.S. Prior to this Leo has been doing realy well- little to no stimming, higher brain functioning, learning to read, developing friendships, gaining weight, loves to eat, loves his family. This last year has brought a lot of growth for Leo!> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 Gosh, I am mostly a lurker, and I do not want to stir up any trouble, and I get that there are can be different solutions for different things- I'll be honest, Iodine scares me. I have a friend who was trying to detox herself naturally last summer- she did some iodine, and got deathly sick- it whacked her out for months on end, to the point she needed to get medication for panic attacks she was having- and, it scares me because of the effect on the thyroid, and the thyroid is soooo sensitive, and crucial. I don't want to try and doctor that myself. Please don't blast me. Just an opinion. Believe you and me both, would I love a $5.99 cent product to cure EVERYTHING in my daughter? You betcha. I just spent $5,000 with a HD-IVIG to stop brain damamge. > > ...and I'm one, btw, who thinks she ought to go ahead with the abx. But if it > were ME, I'd prob give the iodine a shot.... > > > > > ________________________________ > > To: mb12 valtrex > Sent: Sat, March 5, 2011 5:10:49 PM > Subject: Re: Re: Strep... > >  > On the same note, how many doctors have told us that biomedical intervention > would not address our children's " autism " . ?? Just sayin'. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 Nah - nobody will blast you : ) The beauty of this board is having 100 eyes looking at a situation. And it's good to be pushed into thinking outside your comfort zone. That's how I feel, anyhow. It's always good to share good and bad experiences. Honestly, I'd feel horrible if I had a bad experience, chose not to share it when someone asked - then have the same bad experience happen to them, you know? So with that said, thanks for sharing. : ) I hope your little one is doing better with the ivig : ) What I find so troublesome is that we've become such an "rx" 'd country that we can't possibly believe that herbs and minerals and foods that don't cost a small fortune can't possibly make us better. It's sad, really. Our creator put everything we need right here on this earth. Yet somehow we've been trained to believe that a lab can do a better job than nature. Sometimes rx's are definitely in order - no doubt about it. But I would never ever underestimate the power of naturals. We'll take the strep for example: while it's clear that many of our children are prone to suffering horribly from strep gone awry, I would definitely say go for the abx. But for someone like myself who has only had it once, possibly twice in my 40 years of life, and handled it well, I would have no problem simply "swishing" with a $10 bottle of iodine, and choosing good, wholesome foods instead of running to the doc. Know what I mean? I honest-to-God saw a commercial for prescription fish oil. Soon they'll have people believing that the rx fish oil is better than eating the very fish it comes from. (probably a bad example as our oceans have been destroyed, but you get my point) : ) -tammy To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sat, March 5, 2011 6:49:42 PMSubject: Re: Strep... Gosh, I am mostly a lurker, and I do not want to stir up any trouble, and I get that there are can be different solutions for different things-I'll be honest, Iodine scares me. I have a friend who was trying to detox herself naturally last summer- she did some iodine, and got deathly sick- it whacked her out for months on end, to the point she needed to get medication for panic attacks she was having-and, it scares me because of the effect on the thyroid, and the thyroid is soooo sensitive, and crucial. I don't want to try and doctor that myself.Please don't blast me. Just an opinion. Believe you and me both, would I love a $5.99 cent product to cure EVERYTHING in my daughter? You betcha. I just spent $5,000 with a HD-IVIG to stop brain damamge.>> ...and I'm one, btw, who thinks she ought to go ahead with the abx. But if it > were ME, I'd prob give the iodine a shot....> > > > > ________________________________> > To: mb12 valtrex > Sent: Sat, March 5, 2011 5:10:49 PM> Subject: Re: Re: Strep...> >  > On the same note, how many doctors have told us that biomedical intervention > would not address our children's "autism". ?? Just sayin'.> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 yeah but this is coming from another biomed mom of 8 years, I have dealt with hundreds of families with PANDAS that wish they could go back and do antibitics and wish they had watched for the signs on stool tests and kids not eating and not let strep go untreated. from a mom with 2 PANDAS kids, one post spectrum and one NT. PANDAS has been far harder then autism ever was and my son was SEVERLY autistic. they wanted to institutionalize him at 22 months old! PANDAS has about been the death of me, and I didn't treat because parents scared me off of things like antibiotics and put the fear of yeast in me.......I wish I could go back From: T Lynn Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 5:10 PM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Re: Strep... On the same note, how many doctors have told us that biomedical intervention would not address our children's "autism". ?? Just sayin'. To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sat, March 5, 2011 2:47:23 PMSubject: Re: Re: Strep... yeah going to jump in here as iodine is NOT going to address an autoimmune issue and this advise is dangerous as it can cause parents to NOT treat with antibiotics which could PREVENT thing like PANDAS from going haywire in the body. the brain, lungs and heart being under attack from the body is NOTHING to mess with and thinking that iodine will fix that with swishes and swabs.... From: Cheryl Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 9:58 AM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Strep... Gargle with iodine water 3-4 times a day(2-3 drops in half a cup water gargle and spit). For a child, Ingest 1 to 3 drops of Lugols 2% Iodine twice a day for 5 -7 days. If a child cant gargle, putting the iodine in ALOT of water to drink basically does the same thing of coating the throat except you arent spitting out the dead bacteria. Put diluted iodine (1 drop in 1/4 cup distilled water, or really purified water) and swab the nostrils 2-3x a day. Natural salt with water and more water will flush out the toxins and dead bacteria. Start with 1/4 tsp in half cup water. Followed by a cup of water. Epsoms salt footbaths and lots of protein cant hurt either. Keep in mind that i am not a fan of antibiotics so i am totally biased and to me it seems antibiotics dont cure the strep, just lower the numbers along with destroying the gut and people have to keep taking it forever(or so it seems). Cause when the antibiotics stop, the strep returns. Just my opinions, which tend to differ from many here on this subject :-) Like i have said, antibiotics may be warranted for this episode, or several or not. Only you can decide that. If used, it should be short term (once lol) imo, with the long term thoughts or focus to changing why Strep happened or continues to linger.If a person is always getting Strep, or colds or sinus infections, or respiratory infections or flu bugs, supplementing with Lugols iodine along with a comprehensive nutritional program can stop it. Bold statement i know, but i have seen it happen in too many people to not think it true. Cheryl > > >> > > My 8 year old son Leo who is currently opperating on the Atusim spectrum has strep throat. We have been using the bio medical treatment for four years, we have working on establishing a healthy gut for what seems like a very long time. He constanly battles yeast. I am afriad to give him amoxicillin. I am thinking about treating it naturally with berberine. Many people have told me that "antibiotics are not that big of a deal, just give him probiotics" but thats not true for our kids...right?> > > > > > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated!> > > Thanks,> > > Annie> > > > > > P.S. Prior to this Leo has been doing realy well- little to no stimming, higher brain functioning, learning to read, developing friendships, gaining weight, loves to eat, loves his family. This last year has brought a lot of growth for Leo!> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 sounds like yeast, have you tried treating that??? how are stools are they light in color now? From: Tunde Brazlik Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 4:29 PM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Re: Strep... OMG i think that is what happened to my son. he was very sick got amoxicillin, but he never seemed to recover from it. he can not sleep anymore and he was a good sleeper always, now he sleeps maybe a few hrs, wakes up middle of the night, and so on. he is like a manic walking back and forth many times, he never done that either. So what am I supposed to do?Please someone tell me. I really want my son back the way he was.Tunde I would agree. Don't play around with strep. You will see OCD that makes your child crazy, unexplainable aggression, mania/insomnia, anxiety and motor/vocal tics. You may not see it now, but it will come later when the antibodies that are supposed to kill strep start attacking the brain.I would get the antibiotics, and don't be afraid to go heavy. You can repair any gut issues later, just get rid of the strep!Olive leaf and oil of oregano are not enough for my son. When I feel a sore throat coming on, Manuka honey makes it better pretty much the same day. Manuka honey is supposed to kill strep, but I would not rely on it alone. We have used Zylitol nose spray to kill strep in our sinuses, but again, I would not rely on it alone.Jen > >> > My 8 year old son Leo who is currently opperating on the Atusim spectrum has strep throat. We have been using the bio medical treatment for four years, we have working on establishing a healthy gut for what seems like a very long time. He constanly battles yeast. I am afriad to give him amoxicillin. I am thinking about treating it naturally with berberine. Many people have told me that "antibiotics are not that big of a deal, just give him probiotics" but thats not true for our kids...right?> > > > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated!> > Thanks,> > Annie> > > > P.S. Prior to this Leo has been doing realy well- little to no stimming, higher brain functioning, learning to read, developing friendships, gaining weight, loves to eat, loves his family. This last year has brought a lot of growth for Leo!> >> -- "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." MLK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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