Re: Narcissistic personality disorder: YOU NEED TO KNOW

[Guest guest]

The link isn't working for me. I feel like they're similar but BPD favors

emotional demandingness whereas N favors superiority demandingness. If that

makes sense!

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Randi Kreger wrote:

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> Below is a great checklist to see if the person you think has BPD really

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> BPD AND narcissistic disorder. There is an overlap of about 30-40 percent.

> In other words, out of 10 people on this list, three or four of you has a

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> who is also NPD-and you may not know!! Check it out.

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> http://www.narcissisticpersonalitydisorder.yolasite.com/are-you-involved-wit

> h-a-narcissist.php

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> Randi Kreger

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> Randi @BPDCentral.com

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> Author, " The Essential Family Guide to Borderline Personality Disorder: New

> Tools and Techniques to Stop Walking on Eggshells "

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> Available at www.BPDCentral.com

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[Guest guest]

The link works but you have to copy the second line in all the way up to the

php:

http://www.narcissisticpersonalitydisorder.yolasite.com/are-you-involved-with-a-\

narcissist.php

I find the narcissistic difference is that they are more in control, more

emotionally developed but of course massively self-centered. The borderline is

more childlike and their manipulations come from that place, but the narcissist

is more " you will, slave! "

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> > Below is a great checklist to see if the person you think has BPD really

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> > BPD AND narcissistic disorder. There is an overlap of about 30-40 percent.

> > In other words, out of 10 people on this list, three or four of you has a

> > BP

> > who is also NPD-and you may not know!! Check it out.

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> > http://www.narcissisticpersonalitydisorder.yolasite.com/are-you-involved-wit

> > h-a-narcissist.php

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> > Randi Kreger

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> > Randi @BPDCentral.com

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> > Author, " The Essential Family Guide to Borderline Personality Disorder: New

> > Tools and Techniques to Stop Walking on Eggshells "

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> > Available at www.BPDCentral.com

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[Guest guest]

Too much editing for my own good...what I meant to type was the narcissists

attitude is " You will SERVE, slave! "

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> > > Below is a great checklist to see if the person you think has BPD really

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> > > BPD AND narcissistic disorder. There is an overlap of about 30-40 percent.

> > > In other words, out of 10 people on this list, three or four of you has a

> > > BP

> > > who is also NPD-and you may not know!! Check it out.

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http://www.narcissisticpersonalitydisorder.yolasite.com/are-you-involved-wit

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> > > Randi @BPDCentral.com

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> > > Author, " The Essential Family Guide to Borderline Personality Disorder:

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> > > Tools and Techniques to Stop Walking on Eggshells "

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> > > Available at www.BPDCentral.com

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[Guest guest]

my nada would go between the two be both childlike and when she had you hoovered

in you shall serve!

Subject: Re: Narcissistic personality disorder: YOU NEED TO

KNOW

To: WTOAdultChildren1

Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 9:15 PM

 

Too much editing for my own good...what I meant to type was the

narcissists attitude is " You will SERVE, slave! "

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> > > Below is a great checklist to see if the person you think has BPD really

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> > > BPD AND narcissistic disorder. There is an overlap of about 30-40 percent.

> > > In other words, out of 10 people on this list, three or four of you has a

> > > BP

> > > who is also NPD-and you may not know!! Check it out.

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http://www.narcissisticpersonalitydisorder.yolasite.com/are-you-involved-wit

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> > > Randi Kreger

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> > > Randi @BPDCentral.com

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> > > Author, " The Essential Family Guide to Borderline Personality Disorder:

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> > > Tools and Techniques to Stop Walking on Eggshells "

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> > > Available at www.BPDCentral.com

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[Guest guest]

I like the way different " flavors " of bpd were broken down in " Understanding the

Borderline Mother " . That book covered the multiplicity of behaviors well, by

combining bpd traits with other personality-disordered traits:

" Hermit " = Borderline pd + Avoidant pd

" Waif " = Borderline pd + Dependent pd

" Queen " = Borderline pd + Narcissistic pd

" Witch " = Borderline pd + Antisocial pd (earlier referred to as both

" sociopathic pd " and " psychopathic pd " )

I agree that the " Hermits " and the " Waifs " will appear to be more childlike, and

the " Queen " will demand to be put first and will treat other people like

servants, but there is nothing " childlike " about the " Witch " .

My nada displayed borderline diagnostic trait #8: " Inappropriate anger or

difficulty controlling anger (e.g., frequent displays of temper, constant anger,

recurrent physical fights) " and #6: " Affective instability due to a marked

reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability or anxiety

usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days) " and #2 " A

pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by

alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation " more than any of

the other traits. I think of her as a " Queen/Witch " .

It seems to me that a low-functioning " Waif " bpd (can't keep a job, frequently

suicidal, negligent and/or exploitative mother, emotionally and financially

dependent on children) is so different behaviorally from a high-functioning

" Queen/Witch " bpd, (well-thought-of at her job / in pubic, but has unrealistic

expectations of marriage and parenthood, displays resentment, hostility and

jealousy towards others (you're either a servant or a rival) and is physically

violent and emotionally abusive toward those who are smaller, weaker, or

dependent on her, in private) that they might as well be different disorders.

I hope that when the American Psychiatric Association revises the next edition

of their Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, they'll break down bpd traits by

high-functioning and low functioning, and by the Queen, Witch, Hermit, Waif

co-morbidities, creating a more workable checklist for determining a diagnosis.

-Annie

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> > > > Below is a great checklist to see if the person you think has BPD really

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> > > > BPD AND narcissistic disorder. There is an overlap of about 30-40

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> > > > In other words, out of 10 people on this list, three or four of you has

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> > > > who is also NPD-and you may not know!! Check it out.

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http://www.narcissisticpersonalitydisorder.yolasite.com/are-you-involved-wit

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> > > > Available at www.BPDCentral.com

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[Guest guest]

Even though my mother does fit some of the characterisitcs of narcisism, it

doesnt feel quite like her.

I dont thing she really thinks she is more capable/better/more intelligent than

everyone around her, I think this is just what she wants OTHERS to think. She

thinks if others think this, they will want her around and think she is

important. This seems to be apparent in her complete avoidance of anyone who

doesnt think such of her. I think that makes her uncomfortable, and she is

afraid of being exposed as a fraud - a narcisist wouldnt be afraid of that, as

they truely beleive they are the ducks nuts. Ive seen her at dinner parties with

people who dont like her/call her on her lies - she squirms like a paedophile in

church.

Mums main concern in life is her " reputation " , what others think of her - more

importantly, that they respect her immensely and think the sun shines out of her

butt. I think she knows that she is unable, unstable, a bad mother, a terrible

employee - and everything she does is calculated to prevent anyone knowing.

Hence the character assasinations, constant harping on about others, and threats

of violence and abandonment if us kids ever told anyone what she was like.

I think this is why in the last few years, she has started accusing all her

daughters husbands/partners of sexual abuse if they have children. She knows we

are old enough to tell them what she is really like, she has no form of control

over them, so she wants to remove them from the equation. She is motivated by

fear of sorts - not by an overbearing sense of importance.

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> I like the way different " flavors " of bpd were broken down in " Understanding

the Borderline Mother " . That book covered the multiplicity of behaviors well,

by combining bpd traits with other personality-disordered traits:

>

> " Hermit " = Borderline pd + Avoidant pd

>

> " Waif " = Borderline pd + Dependent pd

>

> " Queen " = Borderline pd + Narcissistic pd

>

> " Witch " = Borderline pd + Antisocial pd (earlier referred to as both

" sociopathic pd " and " psychopathic pd " )

>

> I agree that the " Hermits " and the " Waifs " will appear to be more childlike,

and the " Queen " will demand to be put first and will treat other people like

servants, but there is nothing " childlike " about the " Witch " .

[Guest guest]

Yeah. BPD nadas seesaw back and forth between self-loathing and trying to make

everyone agree with everything they think--ostensibly because they are so good

and right, but really because their tenuous sense of self-worth just collapses

completely if everyone around them isn't nodding their heads and applauding

every second.

--LL.

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[Guest guest]

The website doesn't go anywhere as you typed it.

Sue