Re: I should have been scared more then I was.

March 21, 2012

And what i know about what happens when u start loosing parts is that

you have a good chance of dying shortly after that.

I know someone who lost a leg and then part of a finger then died

shortly afterwords. That is why i just assume this fact but maybe it

is not true i don't know.

Just my cents worth.

Original message:

> you know, now that I look back on find ing out I was a T 2 back in

> 2002, I should have had the hell scared out of me from all that could

> and would happen if I didn't control my blood sugar! no one said to me

> how the disease could slowly kill you. all I was told was we can treat

> it and here is all you got to do. first we will treat it with only

> diet. so they handed me a sheet of paper with what to eat and not eat

> from the A D A. then they send me to talk to a lady who had a pump on

> her hip and said she knew everything I needed to know. also I had to

> attend some meetings where every one sit around and listened to a lady

> talk about how to cook for a diabetic and once again lots of very high

> cargb food was being talked about.

> No one took me to see folks in a nursing home or a hospital that hadn't

> took care of there diabetes and all that had happen to them with there

> health. I didn't hear any bad stories of bad things happening to those

> who ignored the disease. no one told me to eat mostly green veggies and

> stay away from flour and sugar. they said when diet alone couldn't take

> care of my diabetes by it self, then I would need to take some medicine

> that would help to do the trick. they did say exercise, but I had

> always heard that because of my big belly. I did hear how T one's were

> a lot worse off then a T 2 as I was now. they actually acted like a T 2

> really wasn't in any major danger like the T 1 had to face daily.

> mainly I was told to listen to the A D A and I would be ok. no one ever

> told me what high sugars would do to my health. I never seen a film or

> went to see the results of this very thing. I was actually led to

> believe ten years ago that only the bad health issues would only happen

> t o the childhood diabetics. they said a T 2 could leave the disease

> behind by just simply losing weight and only losing 30 pounds would do

> the trick.

> Now after some bad things have happened to my health do to poor

> diabetes control, I have been learning a lot on my own. like after many

> years of poor sugar control your stomach can stop being able to empty

> the food you put in it and you can't hardly eat because you feel full

> all the time. so then they got to give you some kind of meds that will

> make the stomach empty. of course then I read where people with bad

> sugar control lose a foot or a leg up to the knee and then a leg all

> the way up to the waste! no to mention the folks who have to go have

> there blood took out and cleaned and put back in 3 days a week. then I

> read about all the damage that happens to your veins and arteries going

> all through the body and even the heart it self. not to mention the

> brain that is affected from strokes and the such. Why didn't I hear all

> this ten years ago?

> I don't even think the doctor's really know a lot about telling us who

> are now becoming a T 2. all they seem to know is give you a sheet of

> paper or a web site and maybe a drug to start out with. maybe send you

> to a clinic for some information that you will get in a book at the

> Library that is out dated and doesn't tell you the real story. I bet a

> lot of doctors get some kind of kick back from the drug companies to

> push a certain drug for diabetes or what ever the health issue is.

> maybe now that I think on it this is why the saw bones has all kinds of

> free samples in there office that they can pass out to some of there

> patients who can't afford the high cost or simply to get them to try

> them. sounds like a big racket to me kind of like judges and lawyers.

> also seems like they are all playing games with our health at state!

> I can't prove it for sure, but I'm all most 100% certain that poor

> blood sugar control is what caused my heart attack in 07 and all that

> has happened since then as well. I do however continue to only blame me

> and just me. I should have took it more serious back then even though

> the doc wasn't. I knew from my past how bad T one's got when they had

> the disease for many years. most died young then, but we didn't know

> then what we do know now about the disease. back then it was a crap

> shoot at best. I blame my self for not educating my self, but we mostly

> trust the doctors or we wouldn't go see them for answers. seems to me

> even the diabetes specialist really don't know much more if any more

> then does the regular doc when it comes to treating diabetes. this

> specialist I just seen was blown out of his mind with my numbers being

> as low as they have been for the past 12 days. well what was he

> expecting them to be? his nurse said most big boys my size would need

> 50 units of insul in twice a day just to start off and maybe more if

> there numbers wasn't coming down in the first ten days. So makes you

> wonder what kind of diet is the doc's office telling these people to

> eat? if they are continuing to eat what they have and it is destroying

> there health to eat this way, then why doesn't the doc tell them to

> stop right now and change the way they eat? I didn't hear none of that

> kind of talk. the nurse ask me what I had for breakfast and when I said

> I had a cup of oats raw with almond milk she said that the oats is why

> my sugar was 140 with the finger stick she done. she said oats were

> high in carbs and that is all I ever heard about food and how to eat right.

> I thought my A1C of 12.1 was out of site! the nurse said they had some

> patients that had a A1C of over 20! I thought my triglycerides of 1400

> was out of site! the nurse said they had some patients that were over

> 2200! they actually expected my numbers to go higher then they were

> when I came in 12 days ago. no life style changes are expected by any

> of the patients and they don't expect none either. they just give every

> one more insulin and more pills and the patient gets worse and dies.

> Even though I don't agree with the health care coverage they are

> pushing, I can understand why more countries now have socialized

> healthcare. the number of diabetic patients alone would bankrupt any

> nation the way it is going. If no one plans to change there life style

> and the doctor's don't change there treatment of the disease and how

> they present it to there patients, then this country is going to be in

> a world of hurt in a short time, like maybe in just ten more years!

> sugar is killing every one with the high sugar levels. most of my

> friends think that sugar is only what comes out of a package that is

> granulated. they never think about all the different foods they eat

> every day and how much sugar of one kind or another that is in that

> food. you can tell them and try to educate them and most of them will

> say to you, if this is true what you are saying, then why does our

> country allow it to go on? why doesn't my doctor tell me of it? why do

> they sell it if it is so unhealthy? then they will say, our government

> will take care of us and no way will they allow us all to die from such

> a thing as diabetes. I'm telling you seems like every one I know is

> running around with this kind of a attitude now days. they think there

> diet they eat each day is fine and the government wouldn't allow for it

> to be sold in this country if it was bad!

> Last time I looked diabetes is number four in diseases that kill in

> this country. this is one out of every 4 and they say it soon will be

> one in 3! this blows my mind! they say it isn't just America either,

> they say this growing disease is happening in other countries as well.

> in some they say it is all ready one in 2 have T 2 diabetes. the

> biggest questions every one is now asking, is who is going to be left

> to work and pay the taxes that will be required to cover the medical

> bills from this disease? I think are answer to this q is the new

> healthcare program that the President is now pushing so hard to become

> law. so the bottom line falls on each of us to take better care of our

> self by our self right now while we can get some help. If you don't

> look out for your own health and your own life style for the better,

> then doesn't seem like no one is going to try and fix you up when your

> health starts to go South. I think in maybe 20 years us who are in bad

> shape from poor bl ood sugar control are going to be kicked to the side

> and forgotten. it sounds mean and heartless, but it is actually what

> will take place in this new healthcare bill. just stop and think how

> scary it will be if any of this happens as they plan!

> The education I should have got ten years ago may or may not of done

> any good. I will never know now. I would hope that if I could have

> actually seen first hand the results of poor control I would have had

> my eyes opened enough to take better care of my own health. So when is

> the medical people planning to open more eyes to the truth and do a

> better job at educating the population on the cold hard facts of the

> disease if not controlled with life style changes? looks to me like the

> drug companies and the other folks who are piling up money taking care

> of us are going to fight back and do what ever it takes to keep it

> going like it is. just think of how bad eating right would destroy the

> restaurant industry! I bet they are fighting hard as we speak to stop

> any movement heading told educating the public in a honest way about

> diabetes. the industry that makes our supplies?

> so money drives the country for sure and we are the suckers that are

> putting more money in there pockets. taking it from our pocket and

> putting it in there pocket that is all ready running over! really is

> sad to me how the general public is sucked in to believing the

> government will take care of them no matter how bad there health gets.

> most people I guess simply don't wish to give up things in there life

> that they love to do and to eat, so just ignore the truth and believe

> what ever fits your attitude. take your responsibly out of it and

> depend totally on the government to take care of everything. it took me

> ten years to finally wake up to the truth and what damage I have done

> to my health is for me to live with and except. yet many people with

> the disease still after ten years continue on the same path of

> destruction. I'm actually feeling like one of the more blessed one's,

> because lots of diabetics have more trouble then I have in a shorter

> amount of time. some even ca sh in and die before ten years. some never

> recover even after the damage of ten years of out of control sugar. I

> feel very blessed better then I deserve for figuring it out before it

> got worse for me. but I do still feel sorry for all those that won't

> listen to us who know the truth and try to tell them. even the one's

> who aren't diabetic yet or they just haven't heart it yet, even though

> they probably have been for a few years. seven to twelve years in most

> cases before they find it on a blood test.

> Well here I went to write a simple post and away with a ramble I went.

> I can't spell worth a flip and still with the spell checker I still

> spell words even Jaws can't figure out. maybe my ramble comes from nine

> years of typing class? I loved to type, just couldn't spell. my typing

> teacher said I could type over 90 word a minute with out a mistake

> because I learned how to spell the words before the test. I guess that

> was actually cheating, but it worked well for me. well best advice I

> can give you guys is the same advice I tell the other list I'm on. if

> you don't dig a ramble like this, then please by all means hit the

> delete key and it really won't hurt my feelings even if you told me

> that is what you done.

>

March 22, 2012

I believe you are exactly right in your considered assessment of the medical

profession. When I was placed on oral drugs, just pills for my diagnosed type2

diabetes, all my A1C's at the time were 5.0, 5.1, and 5.2. The doctor just said

you are doing fine, and keep on doing what you are doing so I did. No history of

food and drink was ever taken. No talk about carbs and definitely no talk about

diabetic complications and their cause.Just a pat on the back and a new

appointment.I certainly hope it changes soon before many others join our plight.

March 22, 2012

Did you ever let your A1C get out of hand as I did? I just sit around and

watched mine get as high as 13 and that was the highest it will ever be if I am

able to do what I need to do. I do recall you saying that you were on pills for

many years before they put you on insulin. I believe you said they never told

you candy was a problem and you were still eating candy bars with a good A1C if

I recall the post right. that seems to be the deal with a lot of T 2's that I

know right now. they are telling the saw bones that they will control it with

diet and very few of them are on pills of any kind. plus none of them are

controlling anything but over eating carbs, drinking as much alcohol as they

ever have and doing no exercise. still there A1C's aren't alarming the doc

enough to put them on meds or they are talking the doc out of meds. it will

catch up with them sooner then later as it does with all those who ignore it for

to many years. So the biggest q is how do we get there attention when even the

doctor's can't? I wasn't listening and neither are they. looks as if the same

will happen to them like a heart attack 5 years after I found out I was a T 2.

Re: I should have been scared more then I was.

I believe you are exactly right in your considered assessment of the medical

profession. When I was placed on oral drugs, just pills for my diagnosed type2

diabetes, all my A1C's at the time were 5.0, 5.1, and 5.2. The doctor just said

you are doing fine, and keep on doing what you are doing so I did. No history of

food and drink was ever taken. No talk about carbs and definitely no talk about

diabetic complications and their cause.Just a pat on the back and a new

appointment.I certainly hope it changes soon before many others join our plight.

March 22, 2012

Hi Mark,

I was diagnosed with diabetes in 1979, at 19 years of age. At the

time, the nurses were doing the diabetes education. They would show me

videos of how my pancreas was broken down and not making insulin and what

the injections of insulin would do to help me keep my blood sugars at a good

level.

I was put on a long acting insulin called Lente and a fast acting

one named Regular.

These days, I wish they would have let me know more of the effects

of not having good control, like the diabetes educators I talk to today.

I am a Type 1, I am totally blind and I have had a kidney

transplant. I had the transplant in 1995 and according to my transplant

coordinator, my kidney is still as good as the day I received it.

These days I have a lot better blood sugars, including a 96 this

morning.

Mark, thanks for your great and funny posts. And thanks to everyone

else for all of your great and supportive messages.

Thanks for a great bunch of people and a great group!

What Exactly Is Marriage??

" Marriage is when you get to keep your girl and don't have to give her back

to her parents " -, AGE 6

I should have been scared more then I was.

you know, now that I look back on find ing out I was a T 2 back in 2002,

I should have had the hell scared out of me from all that could and would

happen if I didn't control my blood sugar! no one said to me how the disease

could slowly kill you. all I was told was we can treat it and here is all

you got to do. first we will treat it with only diet. so they handed me a

sheet of paper with what to eat and not eat from the A D A. then they send

me to talk to a lady who had a pump on her hip and said she knew everything

I needed to know. also I had to attend some meetings where every one sit

around and listened to a lady talk about how to cook for a diabetic and once

again lots of very high cargb food was being talked about.

No one took me to see folks in a nursing home or a hospital that hadn't

took care of there diabetes and all that had happen to them with there

health. I didn't hear any bad stories of bad things happening to those who

ignored the disease. no one told me to eat mostly green veggies and stay

away from flour and sugar. they said when diet alone couldn't take care of

my diabetes by it self, then I would need to take some medicine that would

help to do the trick. they did say exercise, but I had always heard that

because of my big belly. I did hear how T one's were a lot worse off then a

T 2 as I was now. they actually acted like a T 2 really wasn't in any major

danger like the T 1 had to face daily. mainly I was told to listen to the A

D A and I would be ok. no one ever told me what high sugars would do to my

health. I never seen a film or went to see the results of this very thing. I

was actually led to believe ten years ago that only the bad health issues

would only happen to the childhood diabetics. they said a T 2 could leave

the disease behind by just simply losing weight and only losing 30 pounds

would do the trick.

Now after some bad things have happened to my health do to poor diabetes

control, I have been learning a lot on my own. like after many years of poor

sugar control your stomach can stop being able to empty the food you put in

it and you can't hardly eat because you feel full all the time. so then they

got to give you some kind of meds that will make the stomach empty. of

course then I read where people with bad sugar control lose a foot or a leg

up to the knee and then a leg all the way up to the waste! no to mention the

folks who have to go have there blood took out and cleaned and put back in 3

days a week. then I read about all the damage that happens to your veins and

arteries going all through the body and even the heart it self. not to

mention the brain that is affected from strokes and the such. Why didn't I

hear all this ten years ago?

I don't even think the doctor's really know a lot about telling us who

are now becoming a T 2. all they seem to know is give you a sheet of paper

or a web site and maybe a drug to start out with. maybe send you to a clinic

for some information that you will get in a book at the Library that is out

dated and doesn't tell you the real story. I bet a lot of doctors get some

kind of kick back from the drug companies to push a certain drug for

diabetes or what ever the health issue is. maybe now that I think on it this

is why the saw bones has all kinds of free samples in there office that they

can pass out to some of there patients who can't afford the high cost or

simply to get them to try them. sounds like a big racket to me kind of like

judges and lawyers. also seems like they are all playing games with our

health at state!

I can't prove it for sure, but I'm all most 100% certain that poor blood

sugar control is what caused my heart attack in 07 and all that has happened

since then as well. I do however continue to only blame me and just me. I

should have took it more serious back then even though the doc wasn't. I

knew from my past how bad T one's got when they had the disease for many

years. most died young then, but we didn't know then what we do know now

about the disease. back then it was a crap shoot at best. I blame my self

for not educating my self, but we mostly trust the doctors or we wouldn't go

see them for answers. seems to me even the diabetes specialist really don't

know much more if any more then does the regular doc when it comes to

treating diabetes. this specialist I just seen was blown out of his mind

with my numbers being as low as they have been for the past 12 days. well

what was he expecting them to be? his nurse said most big boys my size would

need 50 units of insulin twice a day just to start off and maybe more if

there numbers wasn't coming down in the first ten days. So makes you wonder

what kind of diet is the doc's office telling these people to eat? if they

are continuing to eat what they have and it is destroying there health to

eat this way, then why doesn't the doc tell them to stop right now and

change the way they eat? I didn't hear none of that kind of talk. the nurse

ask me what I had for breakfast and when I said I had a cup of oats raw with

almond milk she said that the oats is why my sugar was 140 with the finger

stick she done. she said oats were high in carbs and that is all I ever

heard about food and how to eat right.

I thought my A1C of 12.1 was out of site! the nurse said they had some

patients that had a A1C of over 20! I thought my triglycerides of 1400 was

out of site! the nurse said they had some patients that were over 2200! they

actually expected my numbers to go higher then they were when I came in 12

days ago. no life style changes are expected by any of the patients and they

don't expect none either. they just give every one more insulin and more

pills and the patient gets worse and dies.

Even though I don't agree with the health care coverage they are

pushing, I can understand why more countries now have socialized healthcare.

the number of diabetic patients alone would bankrupt any nation the way it

is going. If no one plans to change there life style and the doctor's don't

change there treatment of the disease and how they present it to there

patients, then this country is going to be in a world of hurt in a short

time, like maybe in just ten more years!

sugar is killing every one with the high sugar levels. most of my

friends think that sugar is only what comes out of a package that is

granulated. they never think about all the different foods they eat every

day and how much sugar of one kind or another that is in that food. you can

tell them and try to educate them and most of them will say to you, if this

is true what you are saying, then why does our country allow it to go on?

why doesn't my doctor tell me of it? why do they sell it if it is so

unhealthy? then they will say, our government will take care of us and no

way will they allow us all to die from such a thing as diabetes. I'm telling

you seems like every one I know is running around with this kind of a

attitude now days. they think there diet they eat each day is fine and the

government wouldn't allow for it to be sold in this country if it was bad!

Last time I looked diabetes is number four in diseases that kill in this

country. this is one out of every 4 and they say it soon will be one in 3!

this blows my mind! they say it isn't just America either, they say this

growing disease is happening in other countries as well. in some they say it

is all ready one in 2 have T 2 diabetes. the biggest questions every one is

now asking, is who is going to be left to work and pay the taxes that will

be required to cover the medical bills from this disease? I think are answer

to this q is the new healthcare program that the President is now pushing so

hard to become law. so the bottom line falls on each of us to take better

care of our self by our self right now while we can get some help. If you

don't look out for your own health and your own life style for the better,

then doesn't seem like no one is going to try and fix you up when your

health starts to go South. I think in maybe 20 years us who are in bad shape

from poor blood sugar control are going to be kicked to the side and

forgotten. it sounds mean and heartless, but it is actually what will take

place in this new healthcare bill. just stop and think how scary it will be

if any of this happens as they plan!

The education I should have got ten years ago may or may not of done any

good. I will never know now. I would hope that if I could have actually seen

first hand the results of poor control I would have had my eyes opened

enough to take better care of my own health. So when is the medical people

planning to open more eyes to the truth and do a better job at educating the

population on the cold hard facts of the disease if not controlled with life

style changes? looks to me like the drug companies and the other folks who

are piling up money taking care of us are going to fight back and do what

ever it takes to keep it going like it is. just think of how bad eating

right would destroy the restaurant industry! I bet they are fighting hard as

we speak to stop any movement heading told educating the public in a honest

way about diabetes. the industry that makes our supplies?

so money drives the country for sure and we are the suckers that are

putting more money in there pockets. taking it from our pocket and putting

it in there pocket that is all ready running over! really is sad to me how

the general public is sucked in to believing the government will take care

of them no matter how bad there health gets. most people I guess simply

don't wish to give up things in there life that they love to do and to eat,

so just ignore the truth and believe what ever fits your attitude. take your

responsibly out of it and depend totally on the government to take care of

everything. it took me ten years to finally wake up to the truth and what

damage I have done to my health is for me to live with and except. yet many

people with the disease still after ten years continue on the same path of

destruction. I'm actually feeling like one of the more blessed one's,

because lots of diabetics have more trouble then I have in a shorter amount

of time. some even cash in and die before ten years. some never recover even

after the damage of ten years of out of control sugar. I feel very blessed

better then I deserve for figuring it out before it got worse for me. but I

do still feel sorry for all those that won't listen to us who know the truth

and try to tell them. even the one's who aren't diabetic yet or they just

haven't heart it yet, even though they probably have been for a few years.

seven to twelve years in most cases before they find it on a blood test.

Well here I went to write a simple post and away with a ramble I went. I

can't spell worth a flip and still with the spell checker I still spell

words even Jaws can't figure out. maybe my ramble comes from nine years of

typing class? I loved to type, just couldn't spell. my typing teacher said I

could type over 90 word a minute with out a mistake because I learned how to

spell the words before the test. I guess that was actually cheating, but it

worked well for me. well best advice I can give you guys is the same advice

I tell the other list I'm on. if you don't dig a ramble like this, then

please by all means hit the delete key and it really won't hurt my feelings

even if you told me that is what you done.

March 22, 2012

don't worry, that a 1 c is fabulous.\

I wish mine was that good.

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March 22, 2012

well you were gave more about the disease then was I in 02, but you are a T

one and this may be why. good for you! you got better control now and a new

kidney that is working grate and you got this group right here to find out

answers to all kinds of questions. they seem to know more then I ever will, but

even when they don't know I have noticed they will say they don't have a clue.

lots of people will guess if nothing else and not be concerned if they miss lead

you or not. I like the end of your post, but some spouses may enjoy giving there

mate back to there parents if they could!