Guest guest Posted September 4, 2000 Report Share Posted September 4, 2000 Welcome to 12sf, Bill. I too am new. Feel free to jump in and get your feet wet by starting a new topic. The Szazs threads have been popular the last week or so. I am partly to blame, but then I like following them and jumping in with my 2cents. I was going to propose that the list be renamed to 13sf, put often people don't get my jokes. :-) > Happy Labor Day, all ye who labor ... Thank you. And a happy Labor day to all. > Having just joined the list a few days ago, I'm at sea with the Szasz-CofS > threads. A couple of points: > > 1. Could somebody bring me up to speed easily? Yes. Szasz (or is it Szazs/) is a great man and intellectual who is very much admired by some people here. He is an influential scholar and teacher who showed remarkable courage throughout his life in criticisng his proffesion and his collegues. He made a terrible mistake in his youth. It was the crazy lazy sixties: Good acid was everywhere, The Beatles where god, and sex was like a handshake.... (just kidding about the last two sentences) :-P :-) Again, welcome and don't hesitate to jump into the fray. Jim > 2. Has this issue, perhaps, about run its course and my time be better spent > introducing to material for discussion? > > Thank you ... Bill (in Pittsburgh) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2000 Report Share Posted September 4, 2000 Jan...thanks! As Judith said, this must be a special place with three of us on the list...! Ellen j.m.young@... writes: > Well, Ellen, you are right next door to me! Glad you like living > here. > > jan > > > > > Hi jan... > > > > Thought I'd jump in here since I, too, am from the Pittsburgh > area...from > > Sewickley. Have only been here 1/12 years, but love it. Much > better for me > > than NY. > > > > Glad to meet you!!! > > > > Ellen > > > > j.m.young@w... writes: > > > > > Hey Bill, it is just grand to see that another Pittsburgher is on > > > this list. I live up about 20 miles north of town (lin > Park > > > Borough). > > > > > > I just moved back a year and 1/2 ago. Born and raised in > Pittsburgh > > > then moved to Colorado in '75 and near ton, WV in '89. I > > > started going to AA in '91 down in WV and stopped completely > upon > > > moving back to Pittsburgh. > > > > > > My gripes with AA tend toward the more personal rather than > medical. > > > > > > And hi everyone else, haven't been reading here in over a month - > > > > been hooked on other things. Good to see the same names and > some new > > > ones. > > > > > > jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2000 Report Share Posted September 4, 2000 Judith, I really appreciate your words. I must admit, I was reacting with a great deal of sensitivity....this probably means that I need to 'toughen up' some..(and, maybe stop 'personalizing'...) Thanks....:-) Ellen j_stillwater@... writes: > Ellen, Bill: > > Ellen, I'm glad you brought up the idea of being " off topic. " I have > to say I appreciate the fact that Ken uses his power as a moderator > sparingly, because I think there is so much value in ideas around the > main idea. To me, context is an important part of understanding any > idea. So I tend to think that most ideas are on topic. Also, I think > the " one size fits all " approach is the single biggest problem with > *A. I think that everyone has to find their own answers, and those > answers come from all different directions, imo. Finally, since you > mention you may not post as enthusiastically in the future, I just > want to say again that I've appreciated your contribution a lot. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2000 Report Share Posted September 4, 2000 Well, Ellen, you are right next door to me! Glad you like living here. jan > Hi jan... > > Thought I'd jump in here since I, too, am from the Pittsburgh area...from > Sewickley. Have only been here 1/12 years, but love it. Much better for me > than NY. > > Glad to meet you!!! > > Ellen > > j.m.young@w... writes: > > > Hey Bill, it is just grand to see that another Pittsburgher is on > > this list. I live up about 20 miles north of town (lin Park > > Borough). > > > > I just moved back a year and 1/2 ago. Born and raised in Pittsburgh > > then moved to Colorado in '75 and near ton, WV in '89. I > > started going to AA in '91 down in WV and stopped completely upon > > moving back to Pittsburgh. > > > > My gripes with AA tend toward the more personal rather than medical. > > > > And hi everyone else, haven't been reading here in over a month - > > been hooked on other things. Good to see the same names and some new > > ones. > > > > jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2000 Report Share Posted September 4, 2000 Ellen, Bill: Ellen, I'm glad you brought up the idea of being " off topic. " I have to say I appreciate the fact that Ken uses his power as a moderator sparingly, because I think there is so much value in ideas around the main idea. To me, context is an important part of understanding any idea. So I tend to think that most ideas are on topic. Also, I think the " one size fits all " approach is the single biggest problem with *A. I think that everyone has to find their own answers, and those answers come from all different directions, imo. Finally, since you mention you may not post as enthusiastically in the future, I just want to say again that I've appreciated your contribution a lot. Bill, I hope you stick around. I see this group as dynamic and I think everyone contributes in a different way. I like seeing how different people change the nature of the group and I'd like to hear more of what you have to say. I'm thinking Pittsburgh must be a pretty happening place, with all you 12sf folks living in close proximity. judith > Of course, there are those here who would say (and have said) that > discussions such as these are off-topic. So, we get back to the same point. > > Glad to hear that you will continue to enthusiastically post. I am not sure > I will do the same. > > Ellen > > > > PITNews1@a... writes: > > > OK. So maybe I'm sort of in the right group, and will continue to read and > > post with enthusiasm. > > > > - Bill (in Pittsburgh) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2000 Report Share Posted September 5, 2000 > If (2), here's a topic ... does use of pharmaceuticals as an adjunct to > recovery necessarily buy into the " disease " model of the condition itself? > That is, can I be (oh I hate this phrase) " self-empowered " and still take the > meds I seem to need? Hi Bill Of course taking meds does not buy into the disease model - there thinking is totally illogical, but the DM crowd are almost always opposed to drug treatment - with the meaningless banality " A drug is a drug " . Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2000 Report Share Posted September 5, 2000 Hey Pete ... Thanks for writing ... >does use of pharmaceuticals as an adjunct to recovery necessarily buy into the " disease " model of the condition itself?< I wasn't so much asking for myself, but was curious to see how others thought about this. The " drug is a drug " mentality is SO pervasive. Haven't we all seen people who got hurt by discontinuing meds they really need for safety and functionality? - Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2000 Report Share Posted September 7, 2000 > The " drug is a drug " mentality is SO pervasive. Haven't we all > seen people who got hurt by discontinuing meds they really need for safety > and functionality? I know I have Bill, and so do the ppl I know who knew the same ppl - but they *never* interpret it that way - they just see it as bad luck. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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